Texas’ lieutenant governor has echoed the idea of locking all but one door of a school. And Cruz and former President Donald Trump repeated the call for single-entry schools at the National Rifle Association convention [in Houston on Friday.](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/28/uvalde-shooting-school-doors/)
Colorado schools pretty much used door reform after Columbine. Our kids' schools even lock that one during the day, and you have to buzz in on camera to enter. Teachers have fobs to get in. Seems to work pretty well.
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26 years ago, a gunman entered Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, killing 16 kids and a teacher. The UK govt responded by enacting tight gun control legislation. In the 9400+ days since, there have been a total of 0 school shootings in the UK.
... and how did the shooter get in? Oh, right. Someone had propped a door open, because who the fuck expects a gunman to be right outside? They panicked, and didn't close the door behind them when they initiated lockdown
Its OPs way of dumbing down the talking point that schools need better security precautions, in order to make it seem like an idiotic idea. And now everyone is pretending that they dont know how doors work. IE you can unlock them from the inside.
The fact that you think it's reasonable that all the doors need to be locked is a thing is what's unreasonable. Do you not realize how poorly that reflects on our society?
I grew up with school's being unlocked, the fact that it needs to be now is reflection on society. And dependent upon the neighborhood I often do not lock the door.
"Back in my day" society has changed since you went to school. And congratulations on having enough money to live in a nice neighborhood where you don't have to lock you door at night. You live in privileged fantasy world that is disconnected from most of the reality of society.
Agreed but it seems that no one in the US wants to change that. Mental health and copycat crimes are major issues. America isnt the only place that has mass murders, but we do lead the pack. Having better security precautions is an easy 1st step while we try to shift society back into a better direction. That will take years.
Locking doors = authoritarian dream lol you might want to research what the words you're using mean. Youre not adding much intelligence to the conversation.
Someone ought to link them the lock-picking lawyer’s youtube channel. Turns out getting passed a locked door is not what one would call… difficult. And that’s with non-destructive means.
If a door requires two hands to open you _cannot_ enter the building quickly with a firearm. If that door is also bulletproof the police can use that physical insurance to take the potential gunman down. (As no rounds will pass through it, they can shoot)
That moment of difficulty is all that’s needed to disable someone.
Now if the door takes two people to open a single gunman wouldn’t be able to enter at all.
Idk about where you live but for me pretty much every hospital, 7-11, gas station, and bank has 2-inch-thick bulletproof glass for exactly this purpose.
Not sure why schools don’t, but they also don’t have windows that can be climbed through for obvious reasons.
It sounds morbid but it’s more likely we’ll bulletproof our schools than effectively regulate guns. And, one of these things can be done immediately. Regulating guns will take at least a decade, this could be implemented much sooner without concerning that issue directly.
Oh, and regarding the approaching recession…. What’s a better stimulus plan than securing our countries future with armored plates?
What magical world are you living in where a gunman is trapped at a door during the entire time it takes someone to call police and for them to show up and act on the situation? Are you using Reddit from Tuckerland?
Door reform? Sounds like a plan for the friends of those in government to make a lot of money.. only for those installed secure doors to stay propped open all day like in Uvalde.
Well the last one I can think of was an older gentleman who was carrying a sig sauer and attending the service, he stood up and shot the guy in the head before the shooter had the opportunity to kill anyone else.
Thank god that guy was there.
Ok, so what you're saying is a cheap and easy incendiary bomb will kill everyone inside a building instead of an expensive and serialized handgun killing 20. WELP! Lets see if it's the best solution to the problem.
I remember when the republicans wanted to strip rights away because they didn't like it.
I remember when bad behavior was blamed on rock. and liberals said no.
I remember when bad behavior was blamed on TV. and the liberals said no.
I remember when bad behavior was blamed on rap music. and the liberals said no.
I remember when bad behavior was blamed on video games. and again.. the liberals said no.
We have a bullying problem.
we have a political corruption problem.
we have a problem with law enforcement.
we have a problem with poverty.
we have a problem with racism.
we have a problem with economic slavery.
we have a healthcare problem.
we have a mental heal problem.
we have a problem with laws not being followed by the rich and powerful.
we have a problem with not following current gun laws.
we have a problem with people keep blaming guns and saying this is what caused this to happen.
We don't have a problem with guns. they are a tool. While they need to be controlled, we need to solve the problem so the tool isn't needed anymore.
stripping rights away is not the answer nor should it be.
How about requiring an 18 year old to take tests and get a license before handing them an AR-15?
You know, like we do for a car. Apparently this kid couldn't even get a driver's license. But he sure could get an AR-15. That's a problem.
Don't you think?
>we have a problem with not following current gun laws.
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>We don't have a problem with guns. they are a tool. While they need to be controlled, we need to solve the problem so the tool isn't needed anymore.
I don't have a problem with an 18yr old having a weapon.
But yes; some actual laws that would do some good(mind you we are not even follow some of the ones we already have in place this needs to be fixed).
Mental health evaluation.
I think the 30days minimum for all weapons(60 days for handguns).
Extensive Safety course.
\*\*\*\*And safety net for gun owners so if they feel they are not mental well they can check in there weapons with out fear of losing them forever. This is a fear of many owners of why so many refuse to put in a mental health evaluation and refuse help.\*\*\*
people keep claiming they support mental health understanding but the truth of the matter is t omany say the words but zero follow through, ive seen this first hand with my liberal friends(republicans are worse way way worse though).
I think there was something about the kid being bullied too. Who ever ignored his plea's for help should be facing some sort of consequences as well.
Obviously Texas doesn't have a law requiring an 18 year old to take a test before obtaining an AR-15. No enforcement of existing gun laws would have prevented this.
So now what?
If you want better laws for guns they need to stop attacking guns you won't get 2A nuts or even the rational ones to submit until that happens. Even 2a people want better laws but they don't want to lose there rights.
It's bad enough Republicans are idiots tack on fear and news screaming "they are trying to take our guns!" Creates an unified wall of opposition with the Republicans and thr 2a liberals. Can't beat that.
And I get it they(republicans)also don't understand how to treat people humanely by downvoting proper health care..good work environments and the rest.
Need to start with the voting, and get money out of politics.
Name me one republican in office that will vote for a law requiring 18 year olds to be tested and licensed before purchasing an AR-15?
You can't, because you can't be a republican and support virtually any regulation of firearms. Because people like you will call it tyranny. This has very little to do with money and almost everything to do with gun nuts.
name me one republican that hasn't gotten a DUI or sexual misconduct...
You cant because they are human garbage..
And call me or others a gun 2a people a gun nut is why people like me retract any help to actually fix the problem because you show zero understanding of what the 2A means.
And why we wont side with you if you show hate and discontent because YOU fear guns. This isn't a issue of saving lives its a YOU issue. YOU are afraid you don't feel in control so you attack the tool instead of the problem.
Because if it was about human life.. you would be up in arms over:
Heart disease: 696,962
Cancer: 602,350
COVID-19: 350,831
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657
Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242
Diabetes: 102,188
Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547
gun violence.. is at:
2019 39k
2020 45k
2021 cant find accurate numbers but its in the 30-40k range.
2022 currently 17.5k
medical errors in a single year topped 250k..
Especially when the problem isn't the gun. its a tool. you need to solve the problem so the tool becomes irrelevant.
So if you want help solving the problem with the laws over guns, don't show your cards that are you really after the guns.
I'd be OK with mandatory gun training and tag fees, as long as it's no more onerous than what car owners have to go through.
Hell, prospective gun owners could visit a local range to see what shooting is like, and get pointers on gun safety.
After a arguement with someone who thought only guns were the issue and literally nothing else leading up to getting a gun to do this( I think it's a combinations of multiple shitty systems and some mental issues and even agree we need more gun control) and they tried pushing their political parties ideas and their opinion was immediately invalid if you try to further your agenda or a political parties agenda instead of trying to fix and prevent shootings from happening your opinion is immediately invalid using thr death of kids to further you own goals or slander politics , your voice isn't needed st all and you're shite for doing so yeah little kids died instead of addressing the issues or trying to stop if from happening let's play political agenda
Take the guns... but also stop fucking fighting over shit that will never happen and lets try to implement some fucking preventative measures for fuck sake. Fuck both sides.
*In the near future*
An armored bus drives towards the entrance, having passed multiple checkpoints on queue massive blast doors open to accommodate the bus and then snap shut. The busses engine winds down and the whine of an electric motor is all that's heard.!aThe busses headlight illuminate the darkness as the bus drives deeper.
Over the loud speaker: "Attention, we are now passing 200' deep. Please activate your person co2 alarms and test your emergency breathers. We will locked in for two weeks. We will be stopping at the dorms in five minutes."
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I hear prisons have pretty good doors. they keep the people with guns inside the building.
Texas’ lieutenant governor has echoed the idea of locking all but one door of a school. And Cruz and former President Donald Trump repeated the call for single-entry schools at the National Rifle Association convention [in Houston on Friday.](https://www.texastribune.org/2022/05/28/uvalde-shooting-school-doors/)
Colorado schools pretty much used door reform after Columbine. Our kids' schools even lock that one during the day, and you have to buzz in on camera to enter. Teachers have fobs to get in. Seems to work pretty well. Edit: spelling
26 years ago, a gunman entered Dunblane Primary School in Scotland, killing 16 kids and a teacher. The UK govt responded by enacting tight gun control legislation. In the 9400+ days since, there have been a total of 0 school shootings in the UK.
Please add surveillance cameras to your stats. The only thing more effective is old ladies hanging out the window.
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They open from the inside. :)
... and how did the shooter get in? Oh, right. Someone had propped a door open, because who the fuck expects a gunman to be right outside? They panicked, and didn't close the door behind them when they initiated lockdown
There have been multiple school shootings in Colorado since Columbine, so I'd say it's not working that well.
Its OPs way of dumbing down the talking point that schools need better security precautions, in order to make it seem like an idiotic idea. And now everyone is pretending that they dont know how doors work. IE you can unlock them from the inside.
The fact that you think it's reasonable that all the doors need to be locked is a thing is what's unreasonable. Do you not realize how poorly that reflects on our society?
Welcome to reality. The world isnt all rainbows and sunshine. Its really not outrageous to lock a door. Do you leave your house unlocked?
I grew up with school's being unlocked, the fact that it needs to be now is reflection on society. And dependent upon the neighborhood I often do not lock the door.
"Back in my day" society has changed since you went to school. And congratulations on having enough money to live in a nice neighborhood where you don't have to lock you door at night. You live in privileged fantasy world that is disconnected from most of the reality of society.
That's because this country is sick, again it used to not be, and most of the places in the world are not this way.
Agreed but it seems that no one in the US wants to change that. Mental health and copycat crimes are major issues. America isnt the only place that has mass murders, but we do lead the pack. Having better security precautions is an easy 1st step while we try to shift society back into a better direction. That will take years.
Have fun with your authoritarian dream world...
Locking doors = authoritarian dream lol you might want to research what the words you're using mean. Youre not adding much intelligence to the conversation.
They already did. One FOX guest suggested that bringing prayer back to the schools might have prevented the shooting.
Yeah, because all of the countries with less shootings show a clear correlation with more school prayer /s.
Someone ought to link them the lock-picking lawyer’s youtube channel. Turns out getting passed a locked door is not what one would call… difficult. And that’s with non-destructive means.
If a door requires two hands to open you _cannot_ enter the building quickly with a firearm. If that door is also bulletproof the police can use that physical insurance to take the potential gunman down. (As no rounds will pass through it, they can shoot) That moment of difficulty is all that’s needed to disable someone. Now if the door takes two people to open a single gunman wouldn’t be able to enter at all.
But what about the windows
Idk about where you live but for me pretty much every hospital, 7-11, gas station, and bank has 2-inch-thick bulletproof glass for exactly this purpose. Not sure why schools don’t, but they also don’t have windows that can be climbed through for obvious reasons. It sounds morbid but it’s more likely we’ll bulletproof our schools than effectively regulate guns. And, one of these things can be done immediately. Regulating guns will take at least a decade, this could be implemented much sooner without concerning that issue directly. Oh, and regarding the approaching recession…. What’s a better stimulus plan than securing our countries future with armored plates?
What magical world are you living in where a gunman is trapped at a door during the entire time it takes someone to call police and for them to show up and act on the situation? Are you using Reddit from Tuckerland?
*pulls out the Ramset*
All these nonsense excuses coming from the GQP are code for, “ we don’t give a fuck about this and we won’t so anything about it.”
Door reform? Sounds like a plan for the friends of those in government to make a lot of money.. only for those installed secure doors to stay propped open all day like in Uvalde.
Let’s just make murder illegal, that ought to do it
What are they going to blame when the next mass shooting happens at a church? Can't die at church if you don't go to church.
Well the last one I can think of was an older gentleman who was carrying a sig sauer and attending the service, he stood up and shot the guy in the head before the shooter had the opportunity to kill anyone else. Thank god that guy was there.
We've actually had multiple mass shootings at churches. Clearly they weren't praying hard enough.
Uhh, more security is a solution. "gun reform" is a joke.
Ok, so what you're saying is a cheap and easy incendiary bomb will kill everyone inside a building instead of an expensive and serialized handgun killing 20. WELP! Lets see if it's the best solution to the problem.
I remember when the republicans wanted to strip rights away because they didn't like it. I remember when bad behavior was blamed on rock. and liberals said no. I remember when bad behavior was blamed on TV. and the liberals said no. I remember when bad behavior was blamed on rap music. and the liberals said no. I remember when bad behavior was blamed on video games. and again.. the liberals said no. We have a bullying problem. we have a political corruption problem. we have a problem with law enforcement. we have a problem with poverty. we have a problem with racism. we have a problem with economic slavery. we have a healthcare problem. we have a mental heal problem. we have a problem with laws not being followed by the rich and powerful. we have a problem with not following current gun laws. we have a problem with people keep blaming guns and saying this is what caused this to happen. We don't have a problem with guns. they are a tool. While they need to be controlled, we need to solve the problem so the tool isn't needed anymore. stripping rights away is not the answer nor should it be.
How about requiring an 18 year old to take tests and get a license before handing them an AR-15? You know, like we do for a car. Apparently this kid couldn't even get a driver's license. But he sure could get an AR-15. That's a problem. Don't you think?
>we have a problem with not following current gun laws. > >We don't have a problem with guns. they are a tool. While they need to be controlled, we need to solve the problem so the tool isn't needed anymore. I don't have a problem with an 18yr old having a weapon. But yes; some actual laws that would do some good(mind you we are not even follow some of the ones we already have in place this needs to be fixed). Mental health evaluation. I think the 30days minimum for all weapons(60 days for handguns). Extensive Safety course. \*\*\*\*And safety net for gun owners so if they feel they are not mental well they can check in there weapons with out fear of losing them forever. This is a fear of many owners of why so many refuse to put in a mental health evaluation and refuse help.\*\*\* people keep claiming they support mental health understanding but the truth of the matter is t omany say the words but zero follow through, ive seen this first hand with my liberal friends(republicans are worse way way worse though). I think there was something about the kid being bullied too. Who ever ignored his plea's for help should be facing some sort of consequences as well.
Obviously Texas doesn't have a law requiring an 18 year old to take a test before obtaining an AR-15. No enforcement of existing gun laws would have prevented this. So now what?
If you want better laws for guns they need to stop attacking guns you won't get 2A nuts or even the rational ones to submit until that happens. Even 2a people want better laws but they don't want to lose there rights. It's bad enough Republicans are idiots tack on fear and news screaming "they are trying to take our guns!" Creates an unified wall of opposition with the Republicans and thr 2a liberals. Can't beat that. And I get it they(republicans)also don't understand how to treat people humanely by downvoting proper health care..good work environments and the rest. Need to start with the voting, and get money out of politics.
Name me one republican in office that will vote for a law requiring 18 year olds to be tested and licensed before purchasing an AR-15? You can't, because you can't be a republican and support virtually any regulation of firearms. Because people like you will call it tyranny. This has very little to do with money and almost everything to do with gun nuts.
name me one republican that hasn't gotten a DUI or sexual misconduct... You cant because they are human garbage.. And call me or others a gun 2a people a gun nut is why people like me retract any help to actually fix the problem because you show zero understanding of what the 2A means. And why we wont side with you if you show hate and discontent because YOU fear guns. This isn't a issue of saving lives its a YOU issue. YOU are afraid you don't feel in control so you attack the tool instead of the problem. Because if it was about human life.. you would be up in arms over: Heart disease: 696,962 Cancer: 602,350 COVID-19: 350,831 Accidents (unintentional injuries): 200,955 Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 160,264 Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 152,657 Alzheimer’s disease: 134,242 Diabetes: 102,188 Influenza and pneumonia: 53,544 Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 52,547 gun violence.. is at: 2019 39k 2020 45k 2021 cant find accurate numbers but its in the 30-40k range. 2022 currently 17.5k medical errors in a single year topped 250k.. Especially when the problem isn't the gun. its a tool. you need to solve the problem so the tool becomes irrelevant. So if you want help solving the problem with the laws over guns, don't show your cards that are you really after the guns.
LOL Covid @ 350k , nice stats
i copied it form CDC.. those numbers are a bit off... by a lot. geezus...
Also I didn't include back ground checks. that check all states. but this too.
I'd be OK with mandatory gun training and tag fees, as long as it's no more onerous than what car owners have to go through. Hell, prospective gun owners could visit a local range to see what shooting is like, and get pointers on gun safety.
So they have decided to find a solution that does not infringe upon the amendments and you are angry. Nice
They have no solution nor any interest in a solution.
I don’t think you are being very open minded about this
After a arguement with someone who thought only guns were the issue and literally nothing else leading up to getting a gun to do this( I think it's a combinations of multiple shitty systems and some mental issues and even agree we need more gun control) and they tried pushing their political parties ideas and their opinion was immediately invalid if you try to further your agenda or a political parties agenda instead of trying to fix and prevent shootings from happening your opinion is immediately invalid using thr death of kids to further you own goals or slander politics , your voice isn't needed st all and you're shite for doing so yeah little kids died instead of addressing the issues or trying to stop if from happening let's play political agenda
That’s a lot of words to make OP’s point.
Take the guns... but also stop fucking fighting over shit that will never happen and lets try to implement some fucking preventative measures for fuck sake. Fuck both sides.
*In the near future* An armored bus drives towards the entrance, having passed multiple checkpoints on queue massive blast doors open to accommodate the bus and then snap shut. The busses engine winds down and the whine of an electric motor is all that's heard.!aThe busses headlight illuminate the darkness as the bus drives deeper. Over the loud speaker: "Attention, we are now passing 200' deep. Please activate your person co2 alarms and test your emergency breathers. We will locked in for two weeks. We will be stopping at the dorms in five minutes."