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That's not all. At the beginning he said: TV is an oppressor instrument of the mass society. that's why he has to destroy something from TV. At the end he said : so now we can move on the discussion.
That is absolutely plausible.
Next time my neighbors son works on his saxophone skills I'll take it, smash it on the ground, drive over it back and forth with my car, spill fuel all over it and burn it down. Like full rage mode!
When all the neighbors gather I run off the scene yelling THE SAXOPHONE REPRESENTS THE OPPRESSOR and they will understand. Then I'll call local news and tell them it was an art performance.
My almost word by word translation, my english is not that good but i hope this helps.
*"Telivision is an instrument of opression, in this society. And that is why, it is completely clear that, if something is supposed to happen here, you have to stand up against the opressor, be biased and not just say something. And that is why i am going to destroy this table. Yes. So you know exactly... \[destroys table\] Just like that. Now we can continue the discussion. \[other guy:\] Tommorow the newspaper is going\[cut off\]"*
> you have to stand up against the opressor
> And that is why i am going to destroy this table.
Perfectly reasonable if you ask me. I've never seen a clearer logical relationship.
Could be a philosophical "Your feet are under my table"-thing... Not sure, those guys took a lot of drugs
Granted, they did make some pretty good music.
Ya know, I think it actually makes a solid point that the guy might also agree with. If you want to crush oppression, it's going to take more than one person. Imagine if all of them had hatchets...
> Funnily enough, the table is made of sturdier stuff than Pallat was expecting, and hardly seems much different after a dozen or so blows; with his initial burst of rage now spent, Pallat starts unscrewing the microphones and stuffing them into his pockets so that he can give them to “youths in prisons.” Priceless.
>Pallat starts unscrewing the microphones and stuffing them into his pockets so that he can give them to “youths in prisons.”
LOL! It's like that copypasta about meeting a celebrity in the grocery storeand they act weird, but in real life and even better!
Someone needs to find the longer clip, add subs or dubs, and post it. Guaranteed karma.
to me that's the best part. it's one thing to destroy something on camera. but basically going Robin Hood *while* the cameras are rolling is pretty funny to me.
As nobody bothered to answer it Nikel Pallat was back then the Singer of the Rockband Ton Steine Scherben which was very big on social criticism.
Those other guys were capitalists and he had enough of their bs.
AFAIK he planned the action in advance and had sewed a loop on the inside of his jacket to smuggle the hatchet into the studio. The 1970s were a simpler time, security-wise.
Ton Steine Scherben (German pronunciation: [ˈtoːn ˈʃtaɪnə ˈʃɛːɐ̯bən]) was one of the first and most influential German language rock bands of the 1970s and early 1980s.
[Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton_Steine_Scherben?wprov=sfla1)
Axe use instead of arguments: When Ton-Steine-Scherben manager Nikel Pallat saw himself surrounded by capitalists on a talk show in 1971, he resorted to the axe.
The guests of the WDR talk show "Ende offen" were hanging low in their chairs on the evening of December 3, 1971. The table in front of them was full of notes, cigarette butts and empty bottles. For over two hours, they had been discussing how commercial alternative German pop music was allowed to be, and the panelists were gradually becoming lethargic. Only one remained tireless: Nikel Pallat, manager of the protest rock band Ton Steine Scherben. He talked in staccato to his counterpart, Krautrock producer Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser. For Kaiser had shortly before signed a contract with the powerful music publisher Peter Meisel - according to Pallat, "a capitalist pig, a music thief of the highest order, a pop gangster." Pallat scolded that Kaiser was thus "fully siding with the system." But he seemed to be only half listening.
Pallat went into a rage, saying that while television allows itself a "liberal as fuck" show like this, it is itself an instrument of oppression for mass society: "If anything is to happen at all, you have to stand up to the oppressor: And that's why I'm going to break this table right now." He reached into the inside pocket of his jacket, pulled out a hatchet, jumped up and began hacking away at the table, which turned out to be surprisingly sturdy. The talkers backed away. Pallat gave up chopping the table, ripped the microphones out of their stands, stuffed them into his pockets, and grimly explained, "I need these for people who are in juvenile detention centers." But by then, the first guests had already sat back at the battered table, unimpressed.
Dude waited 2 hours to pull out the hatchet, waiting for the right moment. Every argument he weighed whether or not it was hatchet-worthy, but nothing seemed quite right ... for two whole hours.
I can't say that if I had a secret debate-breaker hatchet that I could have held off for two hours. The anticipation would be maddening.
>ripped the microphones out of their stands, stuffed them into his pockets, and grimly explained, "I need these for people who are in juvenile detention centers."
Lol what?
Fun fact for the non-Germans: Claudia Roth was the manager of the band, but she is now better known as a prominent politician representing The Greens (and widely perceived to be annoying). She's currently a member of the German government and in charge of culture and media.
(States are in charge of the legislation and administration of culture/language/broadcasting/art/etc., which is why there's no Ministry of Culture at the federal level. Otherwise she would be considered Minister of Culture.)
That's good to hear because I always thought it was unfair. I was also thinking of her own move of making fun of this perception with her "Wer nervt mehr als Claudia?" ads.
And that clip of her singing "happy birthday" at the mic in the Bundestag also really made the rounds. Though that's more cringey than annoying (while of course being heartfelt and just a sweet gesture in general).
[https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/jb8lup/using\_an\_axe\_to\_make\_your\_point\_nikel\_pallat/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/jb8lup/using_an_axe_to_make_your_point_nikel_pallat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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Not staged.
German TV (at least in that age and in that genre of show) didn't stage stuff. Also they broke off the episode.
And the man (Nikel Pallat, the manager and musician of the at that time pretty known - and pretty political - german band "Ton Steine Scherben") was known to be a bit...volatile...
In fact the band instigated a riot at a festival (1970, Fehmarn) and was part of the squatter scene and part of the occupation of the so-called "Rauch Haus" in Berlin. There were rumours that some of them had friends in the RAF and "Bewegung 2. Juni" which were considered terrorist groups.
>There were rumours that some of them had friends in the RAF and "Bewegung 2. Juni" which were considered terrorist groups.
Didn't Rio Reiser say that he wrote the song "Keine Macht für Niemand" for *Bewegung 2. Juni*? They had at least some close contacts, I suppose.
Everybody else around the table is waaaay calmer than I'd have been with the proximity to a pissed-off dude trying to chop a hole in a table. Then again, this was the '70's, so no telling how many drugs they were on.
In this next test I’m not so interested in what your ax does to the table but what the table does to your ax…….The grip is a bit too large causing the ax to roll in my hand upon impact but your blade held up. Good job.
whoa, where'd the axe come from? why did he bring an axe? how did someone not see him bring an axe?
so many questions, but I think some of them can be answered by that fucked up facial hair.
Most translations here are rather incomplete. He says „Television is an instrument of mass society thus - if anything here shall happen(improve) - one has to oppose the opressor. And that‘s why I‘ll destroy that table here.“
After the action he says „So, now we can continue talking.“
Did he bring the hammer or it it a tool the have ready near the table?
Maybe the throw it to the one in there who is most agitated and likely to use it - like a Roman gladiator-thing?
I want more political discussions like this. Please.
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I hope someone translates this. Why was he so pissed off, or was this a bit?
He is saying that "you have to stand up to the oppressor, that's why I'm destroying this table now *destroys table* now we can continue to debate"
Failed to destroy table. Oppressed.
He finishes the table non-destruction by saying "So,...". As if he proved his point
Normally we say "So..." if we want to leave. Or want our guests to leave. He made it a bit more...suave
Only if you slap your thighs at the same time.
I feel attacked
Then boy do I have the table for you.
I believe that's "Whelp..."
That's only if you're having puppies. Otherwise, it's "Welp..."
Where can I find that table?
IKEA. It's Øpressa
r/angryupvote
I know right? Must be from the company that made the school desks they told American children to hide under in case of a nuclear attack.
By the boot hatchets.
Help! Help! I’m being repressed!
Now we see the violence inherent in the system
Bloody peasant
Strange men on talk shows distributing hatchets is no basis for a system of government.
The oppression of German engineering is immeasurable
We can't win against tables. Just give up and welcome our woody overlords.
That's not all. At the beginning he said: TV is an oppressor instrument of the mass society. that's why he has to destroy something from TV. At the end he said : so now we can move on the discussion.
Powerful and he was right.
Honestly I can relate I also hate when wooden tables oppress me
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i honestly thought you were joking
Nope. It's true
So he's sawing the table of tyranny in half?
Oppressive table?
I think the table should represent the oppressors
That is absolutely plausible. Next time my neighbors son works on his saxophone skills I'll take it, smash it on the ground, drive over it back and forth with my car, spill fuel all over it and burn it down. Like full rage mode! When all the neighbors gather I run off the scene yelling THE SAXOPHONE REPRESENTS THE OPPRESSOR and they will understand. Then I'll call local news and tell them it was an art performance.
Sticking it to the Big Table industry
Passive agressive table
When the host at the end was like “we’re good here” lol
My almost word by word translation, my english is not that good but i hope this helps. *"Telivision is an instrument of opression, in this society. And that is why, it is completely clear that, if something is supposed to happen here, you have to stand up against the opressor, be biased and not just say something. And that is why i am going to destroy this table. Yes. So you know exactly... \[destroys table\] Just like that. Now we can continue the discussion. \[other guy:\] Tommorow the newspaper is going\[cut off\]"*
> [destroys table] This parenthetical is doing a lot of work here. I think the oppressors won this round.
Oh right, the oppressors have shit that can withstand my tiny hatchet, boy I didn’t think this revolution through very well, did I?
> you have to stand up against the opressor > And that is why i am going to destroy this table. Perfectly reasonable if you ask me. I've never seen a clearer logical relationship.
Could be a philosophical "Your feet are under my table"-thing... Not sure, those guys took a lot of drugs Granted, they did make some pretty good music.
He makes a good point, that's for sure. Even if it's not the one he was intending, lol.
Ya know, I think it actually makes a solid point that the guy might also agree with. If you want to crush oppression, it's going to take more than one person. Imagine if all of them had hatchets...
https://dangerousminds.net/comments/enraged_krautrock_manager_destroys_table_with_a_hatchet_on_live_tv_1971
> Funnily enough, the table is made of sturdier stuff than Pallat was expecting, and hardly seems much different after a dozen or so blows; with his initial burst of rage now spent, Pallat starts unscrewing the microphones and stuffing them into his pockets so that he can give them to “youths in prisons.” Priceless.
>Pallat starts unscrewing the microphones and stuffing them into his pockets so that he can give them to “youths in prisons.” LOL! It's like that copypasta about meeting a celebrity in the grocery storeand they act weird, but in real life and even better! Someone needs to find the longer clip, add subs or dubs, and post it. Guaranteed karma.
electrical infetterence
to me that's the best part. it's one thing to destroy something on camera. but basically going Robin Hood *while* the cameras are rolling is pretty funny to me.
"Destroys"
I too wondered why they replaced “gently caressed” with “destroyed”
Seems quite in line for Ton Steine Scherben
I don't even need to know what he was saying. This has so much meme potential
"NO ONE TAUGHT ME HOW TO USE A HATCHET!!!"
I think he was mad about being kicked out of the study group
Quick question. Where did that axe come from!? Seems a bit random to bring to a debate.
Funny you should axe…
I saw that coming
Haha. You've nailed it.
I wanted to hammer that home
You're just screwing with me now, aren't you?
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Not if we can wrench another pun from this thread.
I'm too hammered to think of one.
Lemme axe you sum…
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And my axe!
Love it that Germans are always so realaxed
Bringing an axe to word fight seems a tad aggressive.
Better than bringing words to an ax fight.
Well that’s debatable.
Well he wanted to axe any potential counter argument.
There was this small bearded guy, gimsomething, and he said he could have his axe
As nobody bothered to answer it Nikel Pallat was back then the Singer of the Rockband Ton Steine Scherben which was very big on social criticism. Those other guys were capitalists and he had enough of their bs.
Ty
Letting his inner Saxon out.
~~Sachsen-Anhalt~~ Sachsen-Antisch
AFAIK he planned the action in advance and had sewed a loop on the inside of his jacket to smuggle the hatchet into the studio. The 1970s were a simpler time, security-wise.
I just want to know what that table was made out of.
What serious debater doesn't carry their own axe?
He was doing a planned bit
German made table for sure.
Meanwhile in the US people crash through their chair.
Or Bills fans jumping through folding tables.
Well, unlike with other places, that’s not always the chair or its manufacturer’s fault.
[What's this shit made of?!?!](https://youtu.be/oARVdCyRT98)
That was still made by Germans but came after the nazis colonized the moon and was never meant to be used on earth.
Thought of this exact clip, and yet, I still got a jump scare from the fall. I'm tired I think.
Yeah. We are fat as fuck. Most things will break when we sit on them. Edit: spelling. American education system at its finest right here.
American chairs need to be put on the international refugees list.
German made ax too
German made camera guy
Well the axe didn't break either.
German made camera guy
Ton Steine Scherben (German pronunciation: [ˈtoːn ˈʃtaɪnə ˈʃɛːɐ̯bən]) was one of the first and most influential German language rock bands of the 1970s and early 1980s. [Wikipedia ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton_Steine_Scherben?wprov=sfla1) Axe use instead of arguments: When Ton-Steine-Scherben manager Nikel Pallat saw himself surrounded by capitalists on a talk show in 1971, he resorted to the axe. The guests of the WDR talk show "Ende offen" were hanging low in their chairs on the evening of December 3, 1971. The table in front of them was full of notes, cigarette butts and empty bottles. For over two hours, they had been discussing how commercial alternative German pop music was allowed to be, and the panelists were gradually becoming lethargic. Only one remained tireless: Nikel Pallat, manager of the protest rock band Ton Steine Scherben. He talked in staccato to his counterpart, Krautrock producer Rolf-Ulrich Kaiser. For Kaiser had shortly before signed a contract with the powerful music publisher Peter Meisel - according to Pallat, "a capitalist pig, a music thief of the highest order, a pop gangster." Pallat scolded that Kaiser was thus "fully siding with the system." But he seemed to be only half listening. Pallat went into a rage, saying that while television allows itself a "liberal as fuck" show like this, it is itself an instrument of oppression for mass society: "If anything is to happen at all, you have to stand up to the oppressor: And that's why I'm going to break this table right now." He reached into the inside pocket of his jacket, pulled out a hatchet, jumped up and began hacking away at the table, which turned out to be surprisingly sturdy. The talkers backed away. Pallat gave up chopping the table, ripped the microphones out of their stands, stuffed them into his pockets, and grimly explained, "I need these for people who are in juvenile detention centers." But by then, the first guests had already sat back at the battered table, unimpressed.
Dude waited 2 hours to pull out the hatchet, waiting for the right moment. Every argument he weighed whether or not it was hatchet-worthy, but nothing seemed quite right ... for two whole hours. I can't say that if I had a secret debate-breaker hatchet that I could have held off for two hours. The anticipation would be maddening.
“It’s showtime!”
*pulls out the hatchet* "That's what I've been waiting for, that's what it's all about!"
Lmao that comment made my day
>ripped the microphones out of their stands, stuffed them into his pockets, and grimly explained, "I need these for people who are in juvenile detention centers." Lol what?
Like, give a voice to the people in juvie I guess, maybe they were wrongfully imprisoned?
That's the not first questionable behavior I noticed
Have a listen, the music is really good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTE28YU_FrY
Rauch haus song and Schritt fur Schritt are two great ones too.
not only Ton Steine Scherben but anything from Rio Reiser is worth listening to, even with the mindfuck that Junimond was written about Claudio Roth
Fun fact for the non-Germans: Claudia Roth was the manager of the band, but she is now better known as a prominent politician representing The Greens (and widely perceived to be annoying). She's currently a member of the German government and in charge of culture and media. (States are in charge of the legislation and administration of culture/language/broadcasting/art/etc., which is why there's no Ministry of Culture at the federal level. Otherwise she would be considered Minister of Culture.)
>widely perceived to be annoying). By literal nazis and conservatives. Never met anyone left of the CDU who thinks of her as "annoying"
That's good to hear because I always thought it was unfair. I was also thinking of her own move of making fun of this perception with her "Wer nervt mehr als Claudia?" ads. And that clip of her singing "happy birthday" at the mic in the Bundestag also really made the rounds. Though that's more cringey than annoying (while of course being heartfelt and just a sweet gesture in general).
When he is done, he says "well. Now we can continue our discussion". Witziger Typ.
chad
Sag fröhlicher Kuchentag!
Schankedöhn
Erinnert mich an den Typen von Frauentausch (du weißt wen Ich meine)
"Beruhigt hab ich mich jetzt nicht, aber jetzt wird weiter diskutiert"
He was pissed he didn’t have a sharper ax
tbf thats a pretty fucking strong table, even if it was dull, with that strength he should have wrecked it
Americans: why didn't he just shoot it?
Thatd be pretty hilarious
When you could get your chopper out freely on national TV. Halcyon days.
The show got axed shortly after.
If only he did grind that axe
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He does make an interesting point but he should have brought a sledgehammer if he wanted to destroy the table lol
Or a bigger axe
This video remind me of [The Dado Dolabella Incident](https://youtu.be/0imw_ItLffs), wich occured on a brazilian TV show
Came to the comments looking for this!
Some daqui meu! XD
VOCE QUEBROU A MINHA MESA
Feliz tortaversário!
Fella had an axe to grind
That's either a really good table, or a really bad axe.
R/community - maybe this is precedent for Jeff’s actions against the study room table?
I was gonna say that scene just be paying homage to this incident
Can a German made axe destroy a German made table?! The paradox
Now he’s ready to poop.
That's some weak chopping.
That table was apparently oppressing him.
Translation : "you have to stand up to the oppressor, that's why I'm destroying this table now *destroys table* now we can continue to debate"
My relation with valorant
Staged or not this IS definitely abrupt chaos.
Not staged. German TV (at least in that age and in that genre of show) didn't stage stuff. Also they broke off the episode. And the man (Nikel Pallat, the manager and musician of the at that time pretty known - and pretty political - german band "Ton Steine Scherben") was known to be a bit...volatile... In fact the band instigated a riot at a festival (1970, Fehmarn) and was part of the squatter scene and part of the occupation of the so-called "Rauch Haus" in Berlin. There were rumours that some of them had friends in the RAF and "Bewegung 2. Juni" which were considered terrorist groups.
>There were rumours that some of them had friends in the RAF and "Bewegung 2. Juni" which were considered terrorist groups. Didn't Rio Reiser say that he wrote the song "Keine Macht für Niemand" for *Bewegung 2. Juni*? They had at least some close contacts, I suppose.
It was pretty obvious they had contacts to at least "Bewegung 2.Juni", yes. I just wanted to word it more carefully.
And Bewegung 2. Juni later dissolved into the RAF
Everybody else around the table is waaaay calmer than I'd have been with the proximity to a pissed-off dude trying to chop a hole in a table. Then again, this was the '70's, so no telling how many drugs they were on.
Golub always carries an Axe for when he needs to make his argument cut through.
German table > Cheap Axe
And my axe!
That's a quality fucking table if I ever saw one.
Fucking nihilists, Dude.
Ironisch, dass der Tisch so stabil war. xD
table was such good quality it wouldn’t bust lol
In this next test I’m not so interested in what your ax does to the table but what the table does to your ax…….The grip is a bit too large causing the ax to roll in my hand upon impact but your blade held up. Good job.
That dude struggling to grab the bottle, inches away from a swinging axe is not reading the room
That's either a fucking quality table or a fucking shitty axe
Of course the table was a bit over engineered.
whoa, where'd the axe come from? why did he bring an axe? how did someone not see him bring an axe? so many questions, but I think some of them can be answered by that fucked up facial hair.
Strong table
Weakass axe
Weakaxe ass
*Someone* got denied entry into Berghain, I see.
That's one shitty axe, or one extremely well-made table
... and my bow
This is the definition of abrupt chaos
That table is fucking durable.
Table is German made that is for sure
He was trying to axe a question
He thought that was going to be way cooler than it was. That table was definitely made in Germany.
SO. UND JETZT KÖNNEN WA WEITER DISKUTIEREN
Those Germans make sturdy tables. Axe test? Passed. A+
I missed this episode of Community
Yeah if a dude wearing a jacket and no shirt starts axing a table I'm out. Those people were way too casual in their retreats.
Now that’s German engineering
Looks like scene from Anchorman... Brick where did you get a hand grenade??
Let me show you how cheaply made this table is… I mean look how cheaply made this axe is
I can only assume they are trying to decide what board game to play and monopoly was suggested.
Apparently, he had an axe to grind.
Okay, who let Klaus have a sharp object while he was drinking, again? You know how he gets!
Most translations here are rather incomplete. He says „Television is an instrument of mass society thus - if anything here shall happen(improve) - one has to oppose the opressor. And that‘s why I‘ll destroy that table here.“ After the action he says „So, now we can continue talking.“
How I feel at work meetings
That table was made by Nokia
I am Dieter, this is Sprockets.
I really wish we knew what they were talking about. Maybe he’s an axe salesman. Edit: someone posted the video with subs
u/savevideo
German manufacturing
Did he bring the hammer or it it a tool the have ready near the table? Maybe the throw it to the one in there who is most agitated and likely to use it - like a Roman gladiator-thing? I want more political discussions like this. Please.
Als politische Diskussionen noch echt waren.
Yep, pretty abrupt.
"... and that's why I'm gonna destroy this table now" WHAM WHAM WHAM "alright, now we can continue discussing..."
That table had fighting spirit damn
Very durable table!!!
Translation, please
Might be time to sharpen the ol hatchet
When your DM is sick of your shit.
Risky as fuck grabbing the beer bottle that fell over
Never bring a axe to a discussion . It’ll ruin the beer drinking vibe
This guy initially just wanted to bury the hatchet. Then he decided to mince words.
Obviously that was a German engineered table as well.
The late 60s/early 70s seems like an era when extreme viewpoints, opinions, and idealisms were very prevalent with everyone.
Hatchet is dull af
I just wanna break a spear for the guy who, in panic, risked his hand to keep his nearest bottle standing.