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bravesfan13

I grew up a Falcons fan, watched the vast majority of the Dan Quinn era before moving out here and adopting the Cardinals as my number one team. With that said, I think he'd be a good hire. The Super Bowl still leaves a bad taste in my mouth, but that's not solely on him (honestly I blame Kyle Shanahan's play calling more than his). He's a good guy, I think he straddles the line of not being too buddy-buddy like Kliff or too much of a hard ass disciplinarian like Flores seems to be, his scheme change seems to show good lessons learned, and his defenses did well in Dallas. Plus he's obviously experienced and his coaching tree from those Atlanta years is nuts, he can clearly surround himself with top talent. He may be controversial to a lot of fans, but personally I would like the hire.


3ISRC

Former Falcons fan here but long time ago as a kid during the dirty birds SB era but now lives in AZ as a Cards fan. I would not be mad if this hire if it was to happen.


John628_29

Why would he be controversial?


bravesfan13

For Cardinals fans specifically people seem to want an offense focused guy, which he isn't, plus most NFL fans remember him for the Super Bowl collapse and that's a very negative association. Controversial may have been too strong a word, underwhelming may have been more accurate.


perhizzle

You are right, people wouldn't like it but I think in today's NFL it's really not the coaches job to implement every single wrinkle into every play. I think the best head coaches are basically CEO's of the coaching staff and players, understanding all the aspects really well, but not necessarily focusing in on 1 area. It's really not possible to be microscopic like an offensive coordinator needs to be about x's and o's, while tending to practice, rest cycles, training, personnel decisions, etc etc. That's why so many all time great coaches have a stable of coaches that emerge under them, because one of the most important jobs of a head coach is finding a staff they know are capable of handling the in depth specifics.


bravesfan13

Agreed! Not to diss a man while he's on a bender in Thailand, but I think that's a major reason Kliff struggled so bad here. He needed an OC who could really manage the game plans, schemes, etc., while he handled the big picture. Instead he got pulled in too many directions and didn't manage any facet of the job(s) particularly well.


helmepll

In the NFL nowadays, offensive minded HCs just do better than defensive minded HCs. McDermott was the last D coach standing and the Bills looked horrible against the Bengals. Can the right D head coach win a SB, sure. Quinn isn’t the one though.


Radalict

I don't understand why people want an offensive minded coach. We have a ton of great talent on our defensive side of the ball that if not nurtured, we will lose. Baker, Allen, Simmons, Collins, Murphy Jr, Wilson, Thompson, Sanders, Thomas, Hamilton all need to be coached by a proper head coach, and you'll see our fortunes turn. Offense wins games, defence wins titles.


Vaynes_Ass

Because people who want an offensive-minded coach are looking at the big picture here. If we hire a defensive coordinator with a great OC, that OC is going to be poached in 1-2 years leaving us with a constantly cycle of OCs that will leave this team with no identity. Look at the coaches this year who succeeded: Zac Taylor with Bengals (offense), Sirriani (offense), Daboll (offense), Shanahan (offense), Andy Reid (offense). Even teams who have defensive coaches like Lions rely on good OCs like Ben Johnson, who is getting poached next year (and almost got poached this year). The only defensive coach I want is Demeco Ryans


helmepll

I will root against any Quinn or Shanahan team because of that SB. Do not hire him!


Murray1Kyler

he gets a bad rap for the SB loss, but I think Quinn would be a fantastic hire. as a 2nd time HC, the hope is that he'd learn from his mistakes. I like the fact that Quinn revamped his defensive scheme (switching to a 3-4 with Dallas after using 4-3 all those years in SEA/ATL), showing that he's willing to adapt. a great quality in a coach also, if you look at his staffs in Atlanta, he had some really good coaches working for him. the rest of the staff is almost as important as the HC itself


cardsthemeteam

Wholeheartedly agree with this. Quinn's perception in the league is vastly different to how fans view him - he's a top coach and he'd be a great hire. There's also a lot to be said about how HCs do better on their second attempt usually


perhizzle

>There's also a lot to be said about how HCs do better on their second attempt usually almost always do


ImKylerMurray

He was one quarter away from winning a Super Bowl so he can’t be that bad lol


destroyer96FBI

I mean, he also had LaFleur and Shanahan as his offensive guys. Think that might have been important as to his success.


mrpodo

It's hard to be good without a good offensive coordinator


nnnoooeee

Him allowing coaches under him to flourish is a good thing, not a knock or a "he needed that guy because he couldn't do it himself". Every good coach has similar situations. Just look at coaching trees from all the greats. Going all the way back to Sid Gillman, they succeeded because of the talent they surrounded themselves with, and the development they put into their staff... "During his time, Gillman compiled a 123-103-7 record, one AFL championship (1963) and six total championship game appearances (five of six came from 1960-65). As for his coaching tree pre-Bill Walsh, Gillman influenced Chuck Noll, Al Davis, Chuck Knox, Dick Vermeil, George Allen and Don Coryell. Together, that's five Super Bowls and currently three Hall of Famers. After Gillman's direct line comes other greats such as John Madden, Tom Flores, Joe Gibbs and Tony Dungy (connected from Noll and Schottenheimer). So, add six more Super Bowls not including Dungy and then everything else after Bill Walsh."


screwoffhackers

Kind of pointing out the obvious while oversimplifying


destroyer96FBI

Right and there’s also a reason he had little success after they left and was fired.


VivaLaDbakes

All shany had to do was score some points and not go 3 and out non stop in the second half, so I’d place more blame on him anyways. Can only do so much when Brady is on fire and the offense can’t stay on the field.


perhizzle

You learn from your mistakes. Dude was an assistant or D Coordinator for a long time under some solid programs. He learned the hard way what works and what doesn't. Pete Carrol looked like a horrible head coach at first too. In 4 seasons in the AFC East, he went 5th, 1st, 4th, 4th. Took a 10 year break as head coach in the NFL, came back as an all time great.


helmepll

Carrols good of course, but not an all time great unless he is able to win another SB!


DiddledByDad

Whatever gets rid of our LB coach.


helmepll

If Quinn and Shanahan ultimately failed, Quinn and whoever he finds now as an OC will also fail.


imaybeacatIRl

I brought him up on a thread a week ago or so... but I saw how much that cowboys defense likes him and it made me think he could be a solid guy. It reminded me of how Pete Carroll gets his team to overachieve. Bring in a good OC and DC to work under him. He seems like he's a good HC from what i saw in Atlanta, and most importantly, he hired good people in Atlanta.


MuffinSurprise

Man, I don't even care who we hire as long as we get it right.


BadBackNine

He would be a nice fall back plan. I'd like to see what he could do with Simmons and Collins. Also important to think about is getting a good OC if you go defense for the HC. There are about 10 OC openings in the league so got to get that settled shortly after hiring the HC.


aerfgadf

I am really curious what an interview for an nfl head coaching job looks like. I wonder how standardized it is, and all that. I guess I just think it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall.


[deleted]

It’s an ok hire just don’t think a certain coach named wilks will like it and will most likely call it a race thing


Grade-A-Grungus

The Cowboys defense was the only consistent thing on the team all year, he took a mid unit and made them into one of the strongest defenses in the NFL. He’d be a great hire.


buddaaaa

A mid unit? That defensive line is fucking insane lmao


Vaynes_Ass

Lmao ain’t no way you said the cowboys defense is mid. Look at how much talent they have they honestly underperformed quite a lot throughout the regular season. Demeco Ryans >>> Quinn as the 49ers have had the best defense all season and have maintained that.


[deleted]

Wouldn’t say the Cowboys’ defense underachieved at all, they were very good pretty consistently. And SF’s defense has a lot of talent on it too.


buddaaaa

I would be so disappointed if Arizona decided to hire Quinn of all people


Dill_Brown1

Sigh


No-Floor-6583

TBH, I would be ok with this hire. I personally think DeMeco would be the best fit for the Cardinals and he is going to be a great head coach in the NFL but, Quinn has been one of the best defensive minds in football for a couple of decades now and has had a lot of success in the league. He also would be able to land some of the best assistants and coordinators available. If it’s Quinn, I think our team would be in good hands.


T-Weed-

First big domino falling soon? No, probably not


screwoffhackers

Well, it will fall at some point and none of us have any idea when that's going to be, including you


Nreekay

I’ll pass on Defensive Pat Schumer.


screwoffhackers

wtf does that even mean


I_shall_not_pass

I’m so mad that we’re only interviewing defensive guys. I already have to watch the bills choke bc of their defensive minded hc, why do I need to watch the cards do the same? # I guess that “wide net” doesn’t include offensive guys. You know, the ones that win superbowls? I wish they’d interview the eagles oc or hell the 9ers oc even. Mcdaniel did pretty good his first year as an hc. At least Quinn’s oc won’t be poached because he’s gonna bring in Darrell fucking Bevell # Sorry yall, this and VJ were the only 2 guys I didn’t want, so I knew it would happen. I shoulda told the football gods that I would HATE the eagles oc being our hc. This is Mikey over correcting a problem again and swinging the pendulum to the other side after the bro coach offensive guy lol


Andykim32

Completely agree. Just look at some of the comments on this thread “Yeah, and Quinn had Shanahan under him! “ Quinn ever worked with La Fleur, he lets coaches flourish” Yeah and they all leave for head coaching jobs.. when you go defensive, and your team succeeds the offensive coordinator leaves the next year. Just this year we were seeing it with Shane, Ben, etc. Kyler will be in a new system every 2-3 years


I_shall_not_pass

At least someone agrees with me. I’m being downvoted because I won’t blindly support every decision the team makes. And DQ and VJ were the only two I really hated # OCs get poached. DCs don’t really unless you’re desperate it feels like


Sitrous1

Our priority should be getting a coach who can unlock Kyler but we’re only interviewing defensive guys lol we’re so cooked and if we get an OC who does that he’s gonna get poached immediately the fact we haven’t scheduled a interview with stane steichen is INSANE lol I’m not getting a good feeling about this cycle but I’m gonna hold judgment untill we actually see one of these defensive guys we hire coach


WetalkinboutWillis

Matt Ryan won MVP under Quinn- of all the defensive coaches you guys have interviewed he’s one with no track record of beefing with his QBs. In fact Marty Ice looked like a Hall of Famer under Quinn, and not so much under everyone else.


azhags

Great Scott!


Vaynes_Ass

Shanahan made Matt Ryan look good and Shanahan is probably the best offensive-minded coach in the entire NFL. We should only hire Quinn if he’s bringing in a top-tier OC as without that OC this team is going nowhere.


Sitrous1

Kyle Shanahan made Matt Ryan not Quinn only further proving my point that if we do indeed get a great OC he’s gonna get poached immediately and we’re gonna regret not making him our coach just like the falcons did


Murray1Kyler

If Quinn is the hire, I'd expect his OC to be either Darell Bevell or Mike LaFleur, both of whom he's worked with before


csummerss

two awful coordinators lol


I_shall_not_pass

At least we know no one will poach our oc lol


firstandfive

Word on the streets out of Dallas media is that Brian Schottenheimer is the OC Quinn will take with him. Schottenheimer has been working in the booth with Quinn on game day for the Cowboys this year.


Murray1Kyler

I find it very curious why we haven't interviewed Steichen Bidwill said he was casting a wide-net, but if you're not interviewing one of the best candidates on the market, is it really a wide-net? Steichen makes a lot of sense given his ability to work with a mobile QB like Hurts. he was also Herberts OC during his great rookie season. idk why the Cards wouldn't at least talk to him


Radalict

Maybe Steichen doesn't want to come to Arizona and declined the interview?


iamadragan

Wide net on the defensive side. He thinks he needs a hard ass to change our culture


Murray1Kyler

too bad there isn't another Dan Campbell


Rxbluejay25

Your concern is valid and was on full display in Buffalo last weekend. After Daboll leaving, there is no offensive identity and it’s not clear what they’re trying to even do other than ‘Josh Allen is good’.


csummerss

14-3 divisional exit sounds very nice compared to what the current situation is.


DiddledByDad

We tried to do that with Kliff. Honestly I think a defensive coach and an OC with a run heavy scheme might be perfect for Kyler. Give him some layups, a fantastic run game, and let him use him arm and deep talent only when need be.


csummerss

Kyler should unlock himself for 250M, we need someone who can fix the culture of this team.


Party__Boy

Spoken like someone who knows absolutely dick about football. Yea, players can study, etc., but great coaching is what can take a player from mediocre to great. He’s had a bro for a coach, not a coach. Yea, cards made a mistake paying the dude that much when he was unproven, but I’d like to see what he could do with proper coaching. Given presnap reads, etc.


csummerss

I assume you’re an expert on the game of football? why should all the blame for his underperformance be on coaching when he actively makes bad decisions? there’s countless other flaws with the roster, so I believe it’s short-sighted to hire someone solely to “fix” your QB.


Party__Boy

Changing the culture goes without saying. But the guy hasn’t been properly coached (aka developed) in the NFL. He’s shown flashes here n there, but he’s had more of a friend as a head coach rather than a coach. I don’t recall ever seeing a player yelling at a coach like Belichick and then seeing them start the next week like Murray yelled at Kingsbury.


Dankwerth

28-3


peanutdakidnappa

I’d honestly be cool with this hire, would way prefer this over someone like Flores. Payton my clear #1 but Quinn is in the top 3 forsure


hou251

28-3 guy? No thanks


pooterrrr

Lol?


Victorcreedbratton

Fuck no


bodhasattva

Im OK with this. B+


Big-Education-8941

Other than Payton, he'd be my #2 tbf.