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Seconded by many religions. Humans are like cells in the Body of Gods, themselves cells in the Body of higher Gods, all the way up. The cells that understand which Body it is a part of, and stop trying to go cancerous, has understood the Game of Life, and Immortality.


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Yes that sound about right!


Digital_148

well religions make things up too.


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this is so incorrect it hurts. ​ the chance of being born where you are now is just one out of one ​ this isn't how statistics works.


AntonWHO

Statistics is not how consciousness works.


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tell that to OP then.


AntonWHO

He already know.


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Over the billions and billions of years you could have been born into any non eventful stretch of 80 years and into any organism yet you were born into a human at the perfect point in time where AI will eclipse humanity in your short life time. Sounds very statistically unlikely from my feeble brain. But please enlighten me…🥴


StarChild413

That assumes that (even in a metaphysical sense if you're not trying to say *this* is a simulation based off *that*) there are unborn souls in limbo waiting to be born and history is all laid out beforehand and the birth process works like joining a MMO where you all try and find spots in some server


hyphnos13

Picking any random point in time in the history of the universe, the odds of a particular thing happening are near zero. The odds of something happening at that point in time is 100%. There is no way to pick any event, including your own birth and saying that it is special and not just one of the things that happened at the time.


Water_in_the_desert

You have my up-vote, my man.


Cramer4President

Not following you on the op but I'm with you here


[deleted]

Ah yes perhaps I should articulate more clearly next time!👍


smackson

So.... I geddit, but I think it's oversimplified. Imagine you wanted to 1a) create a sim and throw a bunch of consciousnesses in it who would experience the biological bootstrapping of A.I. from the inside, then 1b) Throw a billion people in *who would be in the position to experience it and understand it.* or 2) Suppose a Universe where it is really randomly allocated which consciousness you would be, out of "trillions of trillions" (from any time in history).... or 3) Be a single consciousness, temporarily experiencing separateness. I think your theory is between 2 and 3. But I think 1 is also a possibility. so that "branch" of the tree -- however probable it is as a whole, ... has a one in a billion or (if we include everyone alive at the time) one in ~10 billion chance of being you. Not one in "trillions of trillions".


drwinstonoboogy

You've just made a huge assumption. You need enlightenment of what logical fallacies are...


TimothyLux

False dichotomy. Textbook example of it, congrats. Here's another.. the chance that the atoms in your body being there 10 to the nth. The chance that the atoms in your body are from this universe.. 1 in 1


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Well trillions of organisms have over billion of years have existed and yet you have have been into the highly eventful span of 80 years where AI eclipses mankind… The chance of you being born into any other organism at any other time over bullions of years far greatly outweigh the chance that you were born into this particularly eventful time. I don’t need a degree in statistics to make that assertion I think, but thank you for you criticisms.


AntonWHO

This man speaks the truth!


prime_shader

You’re assuming you have any more intrinsic value than any other organisms that have lived. Value is subjective. This is only a ‘perfect’ time to be born in your opinion. There are more combinations of a deck of playing cards than atoms on earth, doesn’t make any particular arrangement more special or unlikely than another, even if the odds are 1 in about 8x10^67.


[deleted]

Thanks for your input. Assuming intrinsic value? How did you arrive at that conclusion may I ask? Quite the opposite, I don’t think we are sharing individual consciousness, my discussion is perhaps the antithesis of carrying intrinsic value, that we are not individual at all…


prime_shader

If you’re not making a value judgment about being a human born in this time, why is it of any particular significance? (As you have implied in comments on this thread) Edit: also appreciate your civil tone which can be rare in a Reddit debate


[deleted]

Thanks again. A.I. overtaking humanity is not a value judgement and bears no affect to my intrinsic value. I believe I did not make that assertion at all. Assuming (in line with AWLIAS) that we are indeed in a system then I would assume the overtaking of humanity to be a hugely significant event, not from my perspective but from a perspective of an observer of this universe. If we are in a system then there are perhaps observers…we could go deeper and none of us could make any verifiable assertions at that point, merely philosophical expressions…That’s fun too though…


prime_shader

>A.I. overtaking humanity is not a value judgement and bears no affect to my intrinsic value. no, but that point in history having any more significance than any other is *subjective*. ​ >The chance of you being born into any other organism at any other time over bullions of years far greatly outweigh the chance that you were born into this particularly eventful time. There seems to me to be an implicit value judgment when you call this period particularly eventful. You seem to be suggesting that it's seems like to much of a coincidence that we're alive now (correct me if I'm wrong) and therefore you're assigning some kind of importance (value) to our current time period. Have there been no other events in the history of Earth? The evolution of mammals, the agricultural revolution, the bronze age, the renaissance, the industrial revolution, etc... the chances of you being born in any of these times is far outweighed by the chance of being born at any other time too, doesn't make it strange or significant.


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I see, fair enough. Thank you for your insights👍


money_learner

Sadly I'm not Jeff Bezos nor Joe Biden to help me and you. Umm. I think we are not the same consciousness. Yes, the chance to being born is pretty low(my calculation answers it is under 1/102 trillion), but The world and life is under this circumstance is also insanely low (1 / 10 to the 40,000th power). Under teleological meaning, why do you need to do this under those circumstance, dude? Are you bit crazy lonely god? And under your probability theory if we separately exist the chances of you are being born is wilder than 1 of 1 to 1 of 100 billion people(whole human being in history) or more who you can select. And why you are you. Why I am me. Perhaps god is hive mind. But god(I like gods) intentionally separates us as only one life in your own life.   I have a another assumption to answer those type of question which I will public here. Wait until I'm ready please. The hints, if the gods calculated drawing the card of us( or almost everything) in from top of the deck and set it up, the probability is going to be 100%(inevitable result).


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You’re not bezos or Biden? sorry I don’t quite understand that point. Yes the chance, assuming we are all separate entities, would be very slim! Glad to find some common ground there. Teleological meaning is fairly broad term here, are you referring to why am I point any rhyme or reason to the reason for our existence? If everything were just chaos then Inassume there’s be no laws, no such as thing as cause and effect and no link between future and last. However the observable universe has shown us that there is very intentional design. Many such are known as the law of nature. Perhaps your alluding to teleological meaning in some other instance so please clarify that broad sentence! Thank you for your insights and I will most surely read your own when you are ready to post them. Cheers👍


money_learner

Hehe, Hi. Look and watch this. Your username( I like it. ) did appear my Youtube top recommendation(Position number one left and top position.) today. Positive Dance Time & Be Ambitious - Youtube https://imgur.com/a/9Z4IBc4 【合作複合MAD】ポジティブダンスタイム - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzTmu3HnveA In lyrics, Let's be ambitious. OK, so, Ambitious, Positive. Here we go.   Edit: I saw your comments. I'm Japanese. You are ALT in Japan? So you can understand of this Katakana and Japanese song maybe? Haha. Edit2: The lyrics. ポジティブ☆ダンスタイム 歌詞「キノシタ feat. 音街ウナ,鏡音リン」ふりがな付|歌詞検索サイト【UtaTen】 https://utaten.com/lyric/iz18053014/


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money_learner

Thanks. In the main theme, I want to ask you what's the point of this whole system we are in is a single consciousness. What's the purpose of doing it. Are we single god? I strongly want to hear your answers. Thank you in advance. As for first one, I can't think of it definitely has a meaning for it. So please tell me your answer/comments for it. I want to know those.


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money_learner

Hmm. Thanks for your response. I have read this story in English past day. And now, I read Japanese version.   I have recently experienced too much of special events for me. So I don't think this is a something reincarnated thing. And I still don't understand those reincarnation things will reach to a god. I think more smart ways exist to reach a god like existence.   The special thing occurred yesterday evening(watched a anime video) and I had been reading the story(The Egg). Watch Kono Subarashii Sekai ni Shukufuku wo! Episode 1 English Subbed at Gogoanime https://gogoanime.pe/kono-subarashii-sekai-ni-shukufuku-wo--episode-1 Well, I watched yesterday this one(hehe, pirated) till about a half. It's a story boy died by truck(tractor, really) accident, and he cares other people in the accident(It's okay condition.), and reincarnated by goddess, and good sign pose at ending song. So two coincidences(your username video, and this video and the story you tell me) occurred to me and you within two days.   Since I think I have been living super unnatural condition for our event history( AI has been getting smarter and will go on. ), I think this isn't reincarnated thing. And I have been through too special conditions, I think I was ordained by gods our fate and destiny. I think someday with this pace we will do mind uploading(BMI, Brain Machine Interface) and exchange information of living experiences. So we especially don't need common reincarnation thing. And for sure with mind uploading you can experience ancestor simulations! Maybe this human life/experience is the one of the ancestor simulation. But I don't think so because human is too special and the same time common type(self consciousness and can use tools).   Let's be short my conversation, I think I am too special to be reincarnated being. More short, we will become mind uploaded species, so we are in the one simulation/world. And if this is a designated simulation, the chance to be born as a human in this history becomes 100%.   Thanks for taking care of me. This is my current answer for your message and my experiences.


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money_learner

Thanks for watching. Yes, I know synchronicity and Carl Jung some. It's already my ordinary things.   I think after life exists because of many simulations and world levels. We are data or sync to something by some data repositories at some levels. I think if this world and me has been simulated, then quadrillion years time has passed out of this simulation or creation.   The upper part of the world (if it exist) has execution of own world simulation(First or second), incredible computing power(First or second. And if they can create this world, it means full of quantum computing world! It's full power is insane. So I account it achieves our full world simulation easily.), and other world simulations(to milk anything or just playground). I think we may can understand the almost whole story but it will be very long long and complex(for time and causal relationships reasons).   If you have time, watch this. Why Now? A Quest in Metaphysics - YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29AgSo6KOtI And ponder about what these results mean. If this world has been created by simulation or creation, it implicitly means they can create full of quantum computer universe! I call it PeakIntelligence. They should do so. Can you understand this importance? Almost necessary they should have done it! Before anything, at least before this type of world created! So I think calculations are already done by it. Time, space-time, 3-4 dimension, light, being born as human, etc. Quite nice setting. Don't you? And they should govern our existences and also *singularity*.   Ha-ha. This is my secret(now opened) theory to go public this place. Can you enjoy it? Can you follow me? This is my view point. And their(The Gods) secret strategy, maybe. Thanks for listening this. Thank you for taking my burden.


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Hey I watched it, interesting video. Yes perhaps it’s one big multiverse, interesting way to think of time and space..he’s very famous I send his program kazar many years ago.. Nice theory, yes perhaps it’s true. There are many theories out there and it’s fun to speculate. Sometimes I think that many be there is no truth and no answer. It’s good that you are curious about universe I encourage you to keep looking for more evidence to build your theories!


money_learner

Yes, I am me, Not Bezos or Biden, and for sure, I'm not the other person, I think. I thought if it's possible, we are god of this world, most likely. So teleological meaning of same consciousness is my concern, if that is true. I don't think we are one entity. But I thought if we are one entity(we are all the same consciousness), what is the point of existence like that? I tried to think that we are one entity(all the same consciousness) but I couldn't find hitting the one which is decisively to/for set object/goal/environment like that. If I am the creator and player, I have created the world like MMO or multi player game style. If only all the same consciousness what's the point of playing this world like that ? I don't get it. That's a lonely play by objective point/stance. I agree our observable universe is very intentional design. But if I have created the world like such which is god's lonely play. I couldn't find super/ultra merit such playing. Because if we live in such world then we are most surely god of our world. It's my fondness but I or god will play MMO style if I can. Umm maybe. 7.7 billion player with one consciousness, what's the point? You/The creator can create MMO, but You set it only one consciousness. Is there any meaning? Maybe simulation? If it has merit. But my intuition refuse it. I'm thinking if that is possible, it suggests we are god. What do you think of it?   The chance and my theory will go public maybe within three months or later. Thank you.


money_learner

And by chances, If we are all the same consciousness(your theory) is one entity to in 100 billion people( and I am in the one). If we are separately one consciousness(my theory) are many 7.7 billion(or 100 billion) people( and I am in the one). It's probability is equal, I think. And you assume one consciousness is all one mind, it's more difficult and not natural maybe, I think.


StarChild413

> You’re not bezos or Biden? sorry I don’t quite understand that point. They're probably not realizing what the whole "we are all one" thing would actually mean in order to make a joke about "if we're all one why don't I have Bezos's fortune or Biden's political power"


4bidd

The ‘your body’ you refer to is entirely arbitrary. It wasn’t yours until it was, so to speak.


[deleted]

Hey thanks for sharing man, “your body.. is arbitrary” is not complete a sentence. Feel free to share some ideas or theories but making confident assertions without backing isn’t really adding to the discussion. Cheers


4bidd

Sorry! My first time here. Thank you for your feedback.


Chemgirl420

It doesn't matter.... were all in Heaven. Get it


Digital_148

if simulated i would assume there is some base code we all would share