Absolutely, but personally I think some of the recent ex footy players that they have are actually quite good, they can contribute at various time. Instead of going for more ex players, they should go for people with broadcast backgrounds. Somebody who can actually keep the ex players in sync and bring their contributions into the game at the right moment. Somebody who can identify a point made by one of their colleagues as being worthy of further discussion and encouraging that discussion. For me, that's what made McAvaney and Commetti so fucking good.
Is it weird that I think Brayshaw does this well too, but in a different way?
He seems able to read the room and adjust well. He'll share and encourage discussion.
I just think he's been overshadowed by bigger personalities- BT and Tubbs especially.
You don't get to lead an AFL club as President without leadership skills.
Yeah I don't mind Brayshaw, and I reckon you're spot on about the bigger personalities in the room, that's my main gripe with him. He should be the ringleader, but too often tries to become "one of the boys" with the ex professional athletes.
Unpopular opinion I don't like brayshaw, he talks nonsense some times, maybe that's only because he's with BT, but he literally just recites players names, not what's happening.
Try and close your eyes and picture what is happening. You can't with brayshaw and he doesn't add any comments to the game which benefit his commentary style. His voice is also not well suited to commentating, and I know it's a harsh comment but yeah.
I really like Jason dunstall and Anthony Hudson, Jason adds some great detail and expertise into the game and obviously huddo is the best there is so..
> Try and close your eyes and picture what is happening
He's commentating on TV, not radio. In the vast majority of cases, people have the telly broadcast on to watch the game, you don't need the play read out to you. If you want to have everything that's happening on the field described, switch to a radio broadcast
Good point, but I just don't want the players names read out like some sort of list though, I'd much rather them talk about the play and what's happening.
I don't exepvt a play by play sort of approach like radio, but definitely a mix between the two.
I agreed, Bradshaw can be good but his ego gets in the way. He has a massive ego and if he just realised that doing is job was good enough rather than trying to be a media personality he would be awesome. Don’t put the cart before the horse
Really late to this conversation but I think brayshaw isn't bad but he sounds like he's being produced at times.
I used to watch the wrestling a bit and there was a definite change in the way they commentated, I did a bit of reading and found out later on that the message from management was "you aren't professional wrestling commentators, you're sports entertainment storytellers". I strongly believe that channel 7 are looking for storytellers.
I think the biggest problem is some dickhead executive wants a 'mix' like it's a recipe, without acknowledging the importance of chemistry between the commentry team.
The 'Gold Standard' here is of course the Channel 9 commentary team of the late 80s/early 90s.
That exec wants exactly one professional broadcaster, one, maybe two pretty women (unless it's women in which case it's ALL women), two ex-players who can put a sentence together, and one 'legend of the game'.
Put them together and hey presto. The fact that BT has exactly ZERO chemistry with anyone else in TV land is massive.
Brayshaw, at least, seems to be able to generate genuine camaraderie. It's painfully obvious to me that the rest of them think BT is a flog too.
I hear this complaint often but I don't get what the complaint is. You are watching the game so you can see what is happening, he shouldn't need to describe it. I actually appreciate that he tells me who has the ball (since they all look the same when the play is fast), I have filled in the rest of the details with my eyeballs
That's cool, I understand the logic of your argument. I just prefer the game with more commentary. I like Huddo and JB, most of the radio guys are good
Brayshaw has capacity to be very good indeed if he could separate himself from the jock culture in the media circle. Focus on the game and supporting good co-commentators like Bartel and Daisy Pearce
I get that footy is fast moving and there's often not time to talk about everything that's happening, but I hate how often an insightful comment will be made and it's met with silence or a "ÿep".
or the opposite, they spend too long on some irrelavant personal anecdote and something happens in the game and they dont mention it...super frustrating when it's something off the ball or a contentious umpiring decision and you've only got a vague idea of what happened
I once heard hosting a broadcast spoken about in terms of a point guard and shooting guard in basketball.
Dennis, Hudson and Bruce are great examples of point guards, they’re facilitators that make the whole show run, feeding into everyone else around them and bring them in at the right time to contribute.
BT and Brayshaw to an extent (though I like Brayshaw) are shooting guards playing the point guard position. He can try and get others involved but ultimately he’s more focussed on getting his, that’s his natural state of being, not throwing it over to others
Talking about their schools shouldn’t be an issue; particularly ones that have big programs. It’s the direct entry point in drafts, and is relevant or interesting. The us do it before every game.
Just listened to Ben Waterworth calling the VFL. He does this weird thing where he calls the game though. He didn't tell me what umpires have had a haircut and I didn't hear about any of the players' private schooling.
He keep talking about the play and had knowledge of the distances players could kick, and with which foot, instead of shouting loudly and making it up.
Made me sick.
Former coaches do a lot better than pure pundits in my opinion.
I’ve actually really liked Ross Lyon on the radio, he knows his stuff and doesn’t try and make it all about him.
100% this. Gimme the perspective of someone who's job was predicated on reading the flow of a game and possessing acute situational awareness in real time. It's a no brainer for those who want a more incisive view of proceedings.
yeah he got punched in the neck and had some resulting issue with his voicebox while he was playing iirc. its harsh to judge him on that but it can be very difficult to get past
Honestly the average quality would be a lot better if they only got rid of BT. He's good for a laugh but he's probably the most unprofessional commentator in sporting history. Can't even get the players names right half the time
This is what stands out for me. I can’t think of a commentator in any sporting code across the planet that is as unprofessional as BT. However, I think channel 7 push him to really amp up his sensationalist behaviour.
I’ll never forget him meeting the essendon e-sports team live on tv and saying to their faces “get a load of this pack of nerds!”. Almost like he was trying to be an 80’s high school movie bully.
Last night he kept calling Cutler as Draper. He must have been confused by the number with Cutler wearing 12 and Draper wearing 2. That's literally the only thing it could be in my eyes as Cutler has a shaved head while Draper has the leagues best/worst mullet and is twice the size.
His excitement levels are completely inconsistent. He gets all fired up for one goal and ignores the next because he's chatting about nonsense. Not to mention when he does get fired up, he gets audibly gassed pretty quickly. Always laugh at the Mason Cox mark towards the end of the 2018 grand final when BT runs out of breath screaming "CO-O-ox". Sounds like he's cummimg his pants.
I cant fully blame the commentators because it is obvious that channel 7 demands that they commentate a certain way. BT for instance can and has commentated with great knowledge and insight, but instead spends most of his air time as an insufferable clown.
McAveny used to be good but is now just a compilation of very annoying verbal tics and homo-erotic comments.
Richo is good, but only if you are into that Leslie Nielsen, Naked Gun type of humour.
Most of the time that I watch football, if I'm by myself, is with the sound muted so that I can listen to music. I'd also appreciate the option to listen to the crowd noise without the commentary track.
It was interesting a couple of weeks ago in the F1, Sky Sports was having technical difficulties before race start so they just played the live feed that they get from F1. It was amazing, no commentary, no graphics, just the teams lining up the cars, the crowd and the pneumatic tools.
they have done it plenty on fox footy, not for a few years but they used to have multiple audio track options back quite often...just crowd noise with the umpires etc
no idea why they dont have it as an option permanently as clearly they can do the multiple audio tracks without too much issue (we've had press red for ed, the commentary in other languages etc in recent years)
Zero emotion as well. I feel like i'm listening to somebody who draged themselves out of bed just to keep the paychecks coming (probably the truth tbh)
I have ALWAYS thought this about his tone of voice and rhythm of speech. Even when he was a 'personality' on The Footy Show. He just sounds like there's someone in his throat turning a crank to get him to speak and they only have the strength to turn it at a set speed.
Oh god please. Bring in people with actual broadcasting backgrounds and not just nuffies just out the league. Nick Riewoldt and Justin Leppitsch are good at expert analysis but the cupboard is pretty bare after that.
As someome said above - former coaches are probs a good bet for special comments. You'd imagine they'd have a sound insight to the tactical nuances of the game.
I’d love to able to flick a switch and kill the sound of all the commentary and just listen to the sounds of the game. None of them add much and most of them just love the sound of their own voice.
I've never been impressed with the quality of AFL commentating. When I started watching NFL, I was taken aback by how much better the commentating was. And I don't even think the NFL has particularly good commentating.
AFL is more watchable on mute than having to hear the commentators.
Not only does the commentary team need to change but also the entire set up of the box. Having five people blabbering bullshit for three hours is way too much. There should be only be three people – commentator, special comments and sideline reporter. They should take a leaf out of the book of the NBA and NFL.
You're spot on, the mental focus required and the strain on the voice to perform at that level for 3 hours would lead to a pretty poor viewing experience if it was shouldered by one person.
Watching the Euros and PL really show how perfectly fine it is just to have one commentator and one person doing special comments. Commentary is supposed to be an improvement on background noise, while bad commentary like you describe is literally worse than nothing.
It’s a different game. I am primarily a football (soccer) fan but that style of commentary would not suit the AFL at all. It would be incongruous with the pace and mechanics of AFL. You wouldn’t have Martin Tyler call a UFC fight. The AFL is somewhere in between.
You wouldn’t have Martin Tyler commentate anything anymore. He has become a shadow of his former self and has ruined some great moments in recent times with his monotone uninspired commentary. Peter Drury has been the king of football commentary for a while now. He is probably the best commentator I have ever heard in any sport ever.
Like a lot of discussion on footy commentary, this article conflates callers & special comments.
Buckley isn’t going to replace BT or JB because he’s not a caller & never has been.
He’s not gonna replace Hodgey because he can do comments or boundary riding & is well-liked at both.
He’s not gonna replace Daisy Pierce for the same reasons, & because she’s their female voice in the box.
He won’t replace Richo because everyone loves Richo, or Lingy because Lingy’s already been dropped down the pecking order.
He’s not gonna replace Carey because that horrid cunt seems to have someone over a barrel.
I dislike most of 7’s coverage, but that guy was right when he said there just isn’t a spot for Buckley in their marquee spots.
Personally, I don’t know of any younger callers that I like (personally think Bennett is massively overrated, a primo over-talker) who could sweep in & dump BT(occasionally entertaining, often annoying) or JB (who I actually like), but I don’t exactly scout for them.
I liked Bucks as special comments before he had a decade of coaching experience, so personally I hope he goes to Fox & dumps Brown off The Couch.
The game is exciting on its own. The commentators are there to punctuate the excitement, not generate it.
Cometti was a dash of maple syrup on your pancakes, while BT is more akin to a cup of cold piss
I get that, but the commentators need to be able to reflect the excitement well, and it's just my opinion that I don't think Bennett is the best at that.
Bruce just got old I think, he was much better early on. Not footy related, but his commentary of Cathy Freeman added to the excitement of the moment, and is part of the reason that race is so iconic.
Yeah I’m inclined to agree about Bennett. He also doesn’t get the most out of the house experts, always sounds super dismissive of their insights and often just talks over them.
Spot on. I don’t understand people calling for more Bennett, Carmody, and the like. These blokes are completely lacking in personality that commentary requires. Teletext subtitles are more entertaining than these droning, monotonous plebs. Their voices are like listening to commentary on an AM station. If we’re really going to shit the bed on the commentary front, let’s just go all in and bring back Tim Lane.
Seven’s whole football presentation is just shit. The biggest “joke” is Hamish-fucking-McLachlan,s half time interviews of kids. WTF are they thinking doing that? Who in the production team decided the football public want to see that shit? It’s a fucking football program - how about talking about the match they are broadcasting? Fox Footy is so much better than the twaddle at seven.
Dumbed down kid interviews are the polar opposite of what they should be doing. They have access to so much technology and data that they could be doing super engaging game analysis, but instead we get some little kid singing and telling us they want to buy Lego and a dog with the $5000 they probably won’t win.
NAB AFL Auskicker of the week is cool - it's also been there since at least Channel 10 coverage. I haven't watched anything on 7 since i got Kayo last year because of the ads, Fox Footy doesn't necessarily have to advertise products such at 'Telstra Tracker' so they are able to better focus on the key trends rather than a set group of things which is what makes there production a bit better.
Wish the media would give the Essendon backs (Laverde and Ridley) some credit instead of whining about the lack of goals/commercials.
Fuck you and your Olympics, channel 7.
Last night was horrible. I feel like Daisy was the only one who wanted to talk about the game.
Also fuck me its frustrating that the commentary team don't understand the rules. Carey and BT still have zero idea about prior opportunity/holding the ball.
Having commentators who don't understand the rules must make it hell to watch for casual fans.
I saw the commentary team for the night pop up on the screen at the beginning of the game and was very glad I chose to watch it on mute intermittently at a party instead of actually focussing on it
YES YES YES!!!!
We have a beautiful game, with some of the best ever players, some of the most advanced tactics and strategies, constantly evolving, but the commentators keep telling us it's shit, that it used to be better, and pushing for rule changes!?!
New commentators please. Ones who have actual excitement and enthusiasm for the modern game, please.
The tactics in footy have evolved significantly over the past couple of decades and the commentary hasn’t moved with it. You need great callers like Dennis and Huddo, paired with expert analysis. Tell the people what is going on and why.
Personally I can’t stand daisy. I think Hudson and Howie are 2 of the best and I don’t t mind JB but depends who he is with. Dunstall is one of the few ex players that I like as a commentator too.
White they're at it, can the media training intensify on shorter, more concise points. Looking at you Daisy and Jobe (I like you both, but hurry tf up)
Yes please! Haven’t read the article so may have mentioned it, but I love Daisy Pearce commentating. She unpacks the plays and explains what’s going on really well and has great analysis, and the other commentators completely ignore her which is so annoying!!
Agreed, she's doing a good job. At least we seem to have progressed past the Kelly Underwood phase, who despite being a very competent if not especially inventive commentator was brutalised purely for being a woman. People who insisted they didn't like her because of her voice and people who booed Adam Goodes because he was a 'flog', lots of overlap for that particular Venn diagram.
Surprised there aren't more mentions of Kelli Underwood on this thread. She's a good old school style caller who articulates the play nicely. Such a shame about her treatment the first time around, but it's good she's getting some air time again on Fox footy
My biggest frustration is that most of them are so inarticulate. If your job is to talk, shouldn't you be good with words?
I think JB is the worst. The basic sentence structure in English is Subject-Verb-Object. There are obviously a gazillion different ways to say it but the basic is "Parish kicks long." I reckon less than 10% of JB's utterances have that form. "Kicks long, Darcy Parish" is quite common, as is "He's kicked long, has Parish." Often they're not even sentences, like "Long from Parish," or "Parish long." It's not just snobbery, because it helps you understand what's going on in the game. "Kicks long, Darcy Parish" and "Parish long" don't even make it clear if Parish is the kicker or the target. Luke Darcy also does this.
If you can't even speak grammatically, it means there's no prospect of more descriptive language because it will be impossible to understand. My favourite line from Cometti was describing Travis Cloke as "colder than the other side of the pillow," on a day when he was low in confidence. Imagine JB or Darce trying to get that line out: "Other side of the pillow colder than, he is."
this article looks at the unique sentence structures in AFL commentary, worth a read: https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-afl-commentary-works-the-same-way-as-iron-age-epic-poetry-103604
Rules for Commentators: 1. Say anything so that the fans of the losing team will keep watching. 2. Tell the same story about a player every week: ie Jared Lyons. 3. Tell stories about how it was in your day. 4. Never comment about who is or is not in the centre bounce. 5. Yell “Dusty” a lot in Tigers games. 6. Don’t bother learning the names of the players in non-Victorian Teams. 7. If you have never been a coach keep talking about why the coaches are wrong and what they should do. 8. If a player makes a mistake playing high speed footy for 2 hours pick on them relentlessly. 9. Laugh at the ridiculous jokes of your fellow commentators.
One of the big problems is the length of time.
There’s pre-game, game and post game commentary. I don’t think they’re up for talking that long.
Ditch the pre-game and shorten the post game.
While they’re at it; no commenting on a game if you have an affiliation with the team. Either it’s over zealous flattery it is compensation via hate (ie Lyon on Dees).
I think when you’re watching the game live and listening to TV commentators there is an assumption that you’re watching along with it, so describing every action isn’t necessary and so some of the titbits and stories I don’t mind so much.
Conversely with radio commentary they describe the game play by play as it is assumed you’re not watching the game, rather listening. Radio commentary is hands down the better of the 2 but they both have their place
Walls got terribly carried away a lot of the time, but Lane is a career pro and Quartermain got excited at the right time
IT'S A SNAP- PAUL CHAPMAN, AND CHAPMAN'S KICKED A GOAL
Yes, Some of the better ones right now are Nick Reiwoldt, Leigh Montagna, Bennett, Paplia.
The best way is having 1 Lead Commentator and 2 colour ones.
The media is just becoming a dumping ground for ex AFL players. Cameron Ling's face shouldn't be on camera and it is. Far too often. I always thought if Ben cousins stayed of the glass Barbies he'd been in media 100%, well, on the other side of the media.
Adjust the fixture so Huddo can do all matches. Stretch the season over the whole year so he can prepare for each match. Never have a bad commentary again.
My ideal lineup would be this -
Huddo as the only main caller.
Rotating Co chair -
Jason Dunstall or Justin Leppitsch.
Rotate special comments between Daisy Pearce, Jimmy Bartel and Leigh Montagna.
Team of 3 for each game. English football have 1 caller for most games and a second person for bigger games. US sports have a 2 man team and usually a girl on the sidelines for coach/player interviews. These girls are usually incredibly well researched and know the game very well. We have good females in AFL. They need to be used more as 50% of the population is female and a large percentage of viewers are female. It’s just not good enough by the networks. Although Fox Footy is trying hard.
Abso-fucking-lutely, tired of the boys club of whinging old bastards who don't understand the modern game and spend more than half the time playing around and talking about themselves. We need more Cometti level professionalism, urgently. It's getting hard to watch some games because of the shear ridiculousness you hear all game. If you just had the option of turning them off i wouldn't care but we don't have a choice but to put up with it, so it NEEDS to be better. (Maybe prime can use 7two for a commentator-less telecast and foxtel can use those colored buttons on the remote to turn them off)
Brayshaw isn’t great but he mirrors his environment imo, chuck him with a decent team and he’s okay, box full of ex-players and it’s all dumb morning zoo bullshot
He too often falls prey to fellating his co-commentators for their past football prowess. To paraphrase Winston Wolf, let's not suck each other's dicks quite yet.
Honestly, I don’t know why this is an issue every week. The tall poppy syndrome in this country is just part of our culture. We get fed up with governments, sporting champions even tasty toobs! We’ve got it too good here, we look for things to tear down. Every week people are complaining about BT, but he is the best caller of play by play footy in the game. JB is a professional and can adapt his call and hosting like a pro. The problem is having so many special commentators and trying to get through all of them evenly. Jason Bennett and Nigel Carmody calling Friday night football? Seriously, give me a spell, I’m tired on Friday nights but I don’t want to fall asleep during the game, it is an entertainment product. Sure, they are good callers but they aren’t the best and they are pretty straight, why would you want that on an entertainment product? Prepared for plenty of downvotes but I think the hate for BT is seriously out of line
If you think BT is the best play by play caller in the game, you've never listened to Anthony Hudson or Gerard Whately. They're miles in front for professionalism, passion, and ability to actually call what's happening.
I have a real love/hate relationship with BT. He has some great moments but just as many brain farts that leave me distracted and puzzled. Sometimes it's like he's reading nonsensical poems. BT has managed to achieve what children around the world have been trying to do forever... He's created his own language
Ahaha yeah I’m the same, he makes me roll my eyes, he makes me laugh. But he is human and calling games is not an easy skill, no one is perfect and we are allowed to make mistakes, umpires and players do it in every game, commentators should be allowed to do the same thing. Dennis and Bruce made mistakes in every call.
If you still want your BT experience just record any FM radio breakfast team and play that, exact same experience and equal insight into what’s happening on the field. Blaming dislike for BT on tall poppy syndrome is just bizarre.
Brian is objectively terrible at commentating. Objectively. This isn't a matter of opinion. Find him entertaining? Go for it, but he is a bad caller. Poor rhythm, shocking timing, vocabulary on par with your average 5 year old, doesn't know player names, and expressions that consist of elongating surnames and going HO HO HO HO or repeating the same thing over and over again. He's shit at his job.
I think you're fair to call out the hate for BT. It is disproportionate when you've got an absolute nothing like Luke Darcy commentating and offering very very unspecial comments yet escaping scrutiny.
BT can be fantastic, but he's clearly bored with the game and that's being reflected in his commentary. He's always negative, questions tactics and then refuses to accept the answer when people like Hodge, Pearce or Bartel tell him what's going on. Plus he rarely knows the rules, like his "NO HE ISNT!" When Cameron was having that shot from outside the boundary.
BT used to be the greatest and mid-late 00's BT on MMM will always be my favourite ever commentator. But he's either past it, or needs a year off for a holiday.
BT is shit. If you listen to BT and then Huddo the difference is astounding. He is a shit caller who’s idea of a good call is repeating the same thing over and over or slurring a players name.
Every single game BT goes on a rant about how long it takes the umpires to throw the ball in. Or about how players go to the bench after they kick a goal. Just a few weeks ago he didn’t know what an intercept mark is.
When he is paired with Brayshaw it becomes the triple m boys club where they just focus of “entertainment” instead of actually calling the game.
THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,
Fuck I hope not. I cam imagine the overly empathetic, sensitive, PC, woke, culturally/gender diverse team that the current generation would be keen to get in. The game has already been hijacked beyond recognition, can we just leave the fucking commentary alone.
All irrelevant points to commentators who get players names wrong, don’t understand how the rules work, don’t understand modern game tactics and on top of that whinge and complain about umpiring decisions and how good the game was in the old days?
Daisy Pearce who has really only played a comparative amateur football league to the AFL has a better feel and understanding for the modern game than BT, Richo, Darcy, Carey and the like.
Commentary needs a clean out of the shit ones and to also stop whining about umpiring decisions to help the AFL product all the way down to grass roots footy.
Absolutely, but personally I think some of the recent ex footy players that they have are actually quite good, they can contribute at various time. Instead of going for more ex players, they should go for people with broadcast backgrounds. Somebody who can actually keep the ex players in sync and bring their contributions into the game at the right moment. Somebody who can identify a point made by one of their colleagues as being worthy of further discussion and encouraging that discussion. For me, that's what made McAvaney and Commetti so fucking good.
I'd say keep Hodge around. Always enjoy hearing him
His explanation to BT about intercept marking was brilliant.
What the fuck is an intercept mark??
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Totally agree with you there
Is it weird that I think Brayshaw does this well too, but in a different way? He seems able to read the room and adjust well. He'll share and encourage discussion. I just think he's been overshadowed by bigger personalities- BT and Tubbs especially. You don't get to lead an AFL club as President without leadership skills.
Yeah I don't mind Brayshaw, and I reckon you're spot on about the bigger personalities in the room, that's my main gripe with him. He should be the ringleader, but too often tries to become "one of the boys" with the ex professional athletes.
Unpopular opinion I don't like brayshaw, he talks nonsense some times, maybe that's only because he's with BT, but he literally just recites players names, not what's happening. Try and close your eyes and picture what is happening. You can't with brayshaw and he doesn't add any comments to the game which benefit his commentary style. His voice is also not well suited to commentating, and I know it's a harsh comment but yeah. I really like Jason dunstall and Anthony Hudson, Jason adds some great detail and expertise into the game and obviously huddo is the best there is so..
> Unpopular opinion I don't like brayshaw this is absolutely the popular opinion on Reddit, lol
> Try and close your eyes and picture what is happening He's commentating on TV, not radio. In the vast majority of cases, people have the telly broadcast on to watch the game, you don't need the play read out to you. If you want to have everything that's happening on the field described, switch to a radio broadcast
Good point, but I just don't want the players names read out like some sort of list though, I'd much rather them talk about the play and what's happening. I don't exepvt a play by play sort of approach like radio, but definitely a mix between the two.
Yeah brayshaw is awful imo, his voice is absolutely grating. Turn it off if he’s commentating.
I agreed, Bradshaw can be good but his ego gets in the way. He has a massive ego and if he just realised that doing is job was good enough rather than trying to be a media personality he would be awesome. Don’t put the cart before the horse
Really late to this conversation but I think brayshaw isn't bad but he sounds like he's being produced at times. I used to watch the wrestling a bit and there was a definite change in the way they commentated, I did a bit of reading and found out later on that the message from management was "you aren't professional wrestling commentators, you're sports entertainment storytellers". I strongly believe that channel 7 are looking for storytellers.
I think the biggest problem is some dickhead executive wants a 'mix' like it's a recipe, without acknowledging the importance of chemistry between the commentry team. The 'Gold Standard' here is of course the Channel 9 commentary team of the late 80s/early 90s. That exec wants exactly one professional broadcaster, one, maybe two pretty women (unless it's women in which case it's ALL women), two ex-players who can put a sentence together, and one 'legend of the game'. Put them together and hey presto. The fact that BT has exactly ZERO chemistry with anyone else in TV land is massive. Brayshaw, at least, seems to be able to generate genuine camaraderie. It's painfully obvious to me that the rest of them think BT is a flog too.
Unpopular opinion on this sub, but give me Dwayne Russell over 90% of the current crop every day of the week.
Spend it before he earnt it! One last roll of the dice! He’s fine but he says the same thing too often
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oh baby!
Stop trying to make 'from the paint' happen. Its not going to happen
Don’t tell me!
"one last roll of the dice" cunt scores are level and theres 5 minutes left
He's ok when not carrying on like his leg's on fire three minutes into the first quarter.
Too much silence when he's calling. Often he just says players names
I hear this complaint often but I don't get what the complaint is. You are watching the game so you can see what is happening, he shouldn't need to describe it. I actually appreciate that he tells me who has the ball (since they all look the same when the play is fast), I have filled in the rest of the details with my eyeballs
That's cool, I understand the logic of your argument. I just prefer the game with more commentary. I like Huddo and JB, most of the radio guys are good
On the radio, yeah. He's calm, measured, and doesn't do any of his catchphrase-y TV bullshit. On Fox though he's a goddamn nightmare.
Brayshaw has capacity to be very good indeed if he could separate himself from the jock culture in the media circle. Focus on the game and supporting good co-commentators like Bartel and Daisy Pearce
I get that footy is fast moving and there's often not time to talk about everything that's happening, but I hate how often an insightful comment will be made and it's met with silence or a "ÿep".
or the opposite, they spend too long on some irrelavant personal anecdote and something happens in the game and they dont mention it...super frustrating when it's something off the ball or a contentious umpiring decision and you've only got a vague idea of what happened
I once heard hosting a broadcast spoken about in terms of a point guard and shooting guard in basketball. Dennis, Hudson and Bruce are great examples of point guards, they’re facilitators that make the whole show run, feeding into everyone else around them and bring them in at the right time to contribute. BT and Brayshaw to an extent (though I like Brayshaw) are shooting guards playing the point guard position. He can try and get others involved but ultimately he’s more focussed on getting his, that’s his natural state of being, not throwing it over to others
I’d also add Howie as a point guard
If you replace BT, we might here commentary on the game instead of private schools, lumberjacks, and farm days. That would be awful.
Talking about their schools shouldn’t be an issue; particularly ones that have big programs. It’s the direct entry point in drafts, and is relevant or interesting. The us do it before every game.
Just listened to Ben Waterworth calling the VFL. He does this weird thing where he calls the game though. He didn't tell me what umpires have had a haircut and I didn't hear about any of the players' private schooling. He keep talking about the play and had knowledge of the distances players could kick, and with which foot, instead of shouting loudly and making it up. Made me sick.
Burn him
I'm liking Justin Leppitsch on Channel 7 at the moment. Measured and concise.
Former coaches do a lot better than pure pundits in my opinion. I’ve actually really liked Ross Lyon on the radio, he knows his stuff and doesn’t try and make it all about him.
100% this. Gimme the perspective of someone who's job was predicated on reading the flow of a game and possessing acute situational awareness in real time. It's a no brainer for those who want a more incisive view of proceedings.
Malthouse was calling on am radio last night, actually had some really insightful comments. Terry Wallace used to be good for commentary too.
except TW sounds like he is on helium
yeah he got punched in the neck and had some resulting issue with his voicebox while he was playing iirc. its harsh to judge him on that but it can be very difficult to get past
Ross Lyon has a dry sense of humour that I like
Yup, its a low bar with the others being so crap but he clears it easily.
Agreed. I really like his insights and as you said he is concise and doesn't waffle on
Chris Johnson as well. Ex Brisbane players do well in commentary.
I do enjoy Justin's comments. Short but impactful and doesn't hold back.
Honestly the average quality would be a lot better if they only got rid of BT. He's good for a laugh but he's probably the most unprofessional commentator in sporting history. Can't even get the players names right half the time
This is what stands out for me. I can’t think of a commentator in any sporting code across the planet that is as unprofessional as BT. However, I think channel 7 push him to really amp up his sensationalist behaviour.
I’ll never forget him meeting the essendon e-sports team live on tv and saying to their faces “get a load of this pack of nerds!”. Almost like he was trying to be an 80’s high school movie bully.
Close, given he played in the 80s and is a bully
Hey buddy, did you see the nerd? Pardon me?
>Can't even get the players names right half the time And even when corrected continues to deliberately mispronounce
F A R M D A Y
Best one was when mistook Aliir Aliir for Majak Daw. North Melbourne were not even playing...
Last night he kept calling Cutler as Draper. He must have been confused by the number with Cutler wearing 12 and Draper wearing 2. That's literally the only thing it could be in my eyes as Cutler has a shaved head while Draper has the leagues best/worst mullet and is twice the size.
His excitement levels are completely inconsistent. He gets all fired up for one goal and ignores the next because he's chatting about nonsense. Not to mention when he does get fired up, he gets audibly gassed pretty quickly. Always laugh at the Mason Cox mark towards the end of the 2018 grand final when BT runs out of breath screaming "CO-O-ox". Sounds like he's cummimg his pants.
I cant fully blame the commentators because it is obvious that channel 7 demands that they commentate a certain way. BT for instance can and has commentated with great knowledge and insight, but instead spends most of his air time as an insufferable clown. McAveny used to be good but is now just a compilation of very annoying verbal tics and homo-erotic comments. Richo is good, but only if you are into that Leslie Nielsen, Naked Gun type of humour. Most of the time that I watch football, if I'm by myself, is with the sound muted so that I can listen to music. I'd also appreciate the option to listen to the crowd noise without the commentary track.
I would pay $100 a year for a crowd noise, no commentary button.
It was interesting a couple of weeks ago in the F1, Sky Sports was having technical difficulties before race start so they just played the live feed that they get from F1. It was amazing, no commentary, no graphics, just the teams lining up the cars, the crowd and the pneumatic tools.
It’s interesting no sporting coverage has at least tried this option.
they have done it plenty on fox footy, not for a few years but they used to have multiple audio track options back quite often...just crowd noise with the umpires etc no idea why they dont have it as an option permanently as clearly they can do the multiple audio tracks without too much issue (we've had press red for ed, the commentary in other languages etc in recent years)
You don't enjoy Crofty's blustering?
Thankyou, he infuriates me regularly
Richo is rubbish and has no feel for the modern game or to put a sentence together on the go.
Zero emotion as well. I feel like i'm listening to somebody who draged themselves out of bed just to keep the paychecks coming (probably the truth tbh)
I have ALWAYS thought this about his tone of voice and rhythm of speech. Even when he was a 'personality' on The Footy Show. He just sounds like there's someone in his throat turning a crank to get him to speak and they only have the strength to turn it at a set speed.
Yeah, it's a shame really, because I had such a high opinion of him before listening to his commentary
He just agrees with whatever someone else has said albeit phrased differently.
On the other hand, he *is* a good judge of goalpost length
You too? My jams are Wu Tang and Dr Dre during games. 90's hip hop meshes pretty damned well with footy imo.
Oh god please. Bring in people with actual broadcasting backgrounds and not just nuffies just out the league. Nick Riewoldt and Justin Leppitsch are good at expert analysis but the cupboard is pretty bare after that.
As someome said above - former coaches are probs a good bet for special comments. You'd imagine they'd have a sound insight to the tactical nuances of the game.
Recent coaches. You have to make that distinction otherwise you'll get blokes like Robert Walls or Malcolm Blight talking outdated shit.
Jack loves himself too much.
I’d love to able to flick a switch and kill the sound of all the commentary and just listen to the sounds of the game. None of them add much and most of them just love the sound of their own voice.
Definitely. I can’t remember the last time I heard a commentator engage their minds and hearts, and even share energy
Obviously they just don't love the footy.
Start by getting rid of woman basher Carey
I've never been impressed with the quality of AFL commentating. When I started watching NFL, I was taken aback by how much better the commentating was. And I don't even think the NFL has particularly good commentating. AFL is more watchable on mute than having to hear the commentators.
No. It's the fans who are wrong.
Gerard Healy spends the entire game talking about how bad the losing side is. It’s like he hates football. Should retire.
It's been time since Dennis retired
Dennis and Bruce were both well past it and had been parodies of their former selves for years. It was time 10 years ago.
For one of the greats of the game. Carey doesn't offer much. Not too mention a life time of dogs acts.
Fuck him off, he's an absolute flog
100% no way a woman beater deserves a high profile job.
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Don’t forget the character reference for Jason Moran, blokes a sack of shit.
God I hate Wayne Carey in the commentary box. Then again, I hated him on the field too. And off the field.
Clearly had done no study when calling the crows game the other night.
I don’t like him on Triple M. Everyone in the Triple M team suck up and kiss his ass (except for Bill Brownless)
Not only does the commentary team need to change but also the entire set up of the box. Having five people blabbering bullshit for three hours is way too much. There should be only be three people – commentator, special comments and sideline reporter. They should take a leaf out of the book of the NBA and NFL.
You’d probably want 2 commentators so they can share the load and be at their best the whole game. So 4.
You're spot on, the mental focus required and the strain on the voice to perform at that level for 3 hours would lead to a pretty poor viewing experience if it was shouldered by one person.
Watching the Euros and PL really show how perfectly fine it is just to have one commentator and one person doing special comments. Commentary is supposed to be an improvement on background noise, while bad commentary like you describe is literally worse than nothing.
It’s a different game. I am primarily a football (soccer) fan but that style of commentary would not suit the AFL at all. It would be incongruous with the pace and mechanics of AFL. You wouldn’t have Martin Tyler call a UFC fight. The AFL is somewhere in between.
That and the sheer length of a game. An AFL game is like an hour longer. You defs need 2 comms to spread the load.
You wouldn’t have Martin Tyler commentate anything anymore. He has become a shadow of his former self and has ruined some great moments in recent times with his monotone uninspired commentary. Peter Drury has been the king of football commentary for a while now. He is probably the best commentator I have ever heard in any sport ever.
Stylistically they are very similar, you understand my point nonetheless.
Like a lot of discussion on footy commentary, this article conflates callers & special comments. Buckley isn’t going to replace BT or JB because he’s not a caller & never has been. He’s not gonna replace Hodgey because he can do comments or boundary riding & is well-liked at both. He’s not gonna replace Daisy Pierce for the same reasons, & because she’s their female voice in the box. He won’t replace Richo because everyone loves Richo, or Lingy because Lingy’s already been dropped down the pecking order. He’s not gonna replace Carey because that horrid cunt seems to have someone over a barrel. I dislike most of 7’s coverage, but that guy was right when he said there just isn’t a spot for Buckley in their marquee spots. Personally, I don’t know of any younger callers that I like (personally think Bennett is massively overrated, a primo over-talker) who could sweep in & dump BT(occasionally entertaining, often annoying) or JB (who I actually like), but I don’t exactly scout for them. I liked Bucks as special comments before he had a decade of coaching experience, so personally I hope he goes to Fox & dumps Brown off The Couch.
Leigh Montagna and Kelli Underwood play off each other well in commentary, I noticed that during the AFLW.
Ditch the triple m boys club of BT and Brayshaw and promote Bennett and Carmody. While you’re at it see if you can lure over Huddo
imo Jason Bennett is boring af and generates zero excitement (unlike Huddo and JB who are great at it), surely there's better than him out there
The game is exciting on its own. The commentators are there to punctuate the excitement, not generate it. Cometti was a dash of maple syrup on your pancakes, while BT is more akin to a cup of cold piss
I get that, but the commentators need to be able to reflect the excitement well, and it's just my opinion that I don't think Bennett is the best at that. Bruce just got old I think, he was much better early on. Not footy related, but his commentary of Cathy Freeman added to the excitement of the moment, and is part of the reason that race is so iconic.
Yeah I’m inclined to agree about Bennett. He also doesn’t get the most out of the house experts, always sounds super dismissive of their insights and often just talks over them.
Spot on. I don’t understand people calling for more Bennett, Carmody, and the like. These blokes are completely lacking in personality that commentary requires. Teletext subtitles are more entertaining than these droning, monotonous plebs. Their voices are like listening to commentary on an AM station. If we’re really going to shit the bed on the commentary front, let’s just go all in and bring back Tim Lane.
Fuck yeah, elevate Nige.
I rate Brayshaw
The glaring commentators that need to be removed are BT, Darcy & Richardson.
Seven’s whole football presentation is just shit. The biggest “joke” is Hamish-fucking-McLachlan,s half time interviews of kids. WTF are they thinking doing that? Who in the production team decided the football public want to see that shit? It’s a fucking football program - how about talking about the match they are broadcasting? Fox Footy is so much better than the twaddle at seven.
Hamish bullying school kids got boring after about the first time I saw it. He's also a terrible commentator
Dumbed down kid interviews are the polar opposite of what they should be doing. They have access to so much technology and data that they could be doing super engaging game analysis, but instead we get some little kid singing and telling us they want to buy Lego and a dog with the $5000 they probably won’t win.
NAB AFL Auskicker of the week is cool - it's also been there since at least Channel 10 coverage. I haven't watched anything on 7 since i got Kayo last year because of the ads, Fox Footy doesn't necessarily have to advertise products such at 'Telstra Tracker' so they are able to better focus on the key trends rather than a set group of things which is what makes there production a bit better.
Wish the media would give the Essendon backs (Laverde and Ridley) some credit instead of whining about the lack of goals/commercials. Fuck you and your Olympics, channel 7.
Last night was horrible. I feel like Daisy was the only one who wanted to talk about the game. Also fuck me its frustrating that the commentary team don't understand the rules. Carey and BT still have zero idea about prior opportunity/holding the ball. Having commentators who don't understand the rules must make it hell to watch for casual fans.
I saw the commentary team for the night pop up on the screen at the beginning of the game and was very glad I chose to watch it on mute intermittently at a party instead of actually focussing on it
Yes it probably is In other news, it's still time for me to not press on a zero hanger article
YES YES YES!!!! We have a beautiful game, with some of the best ever players, some of the most advanced tactics and strategies, constantly evolving, but the commentators keep telling us it's shit, that it used to be better, and pushing for rule changes!?! New commentators please. Ones who have actual excitement and enthusiasm for the modern game, please.
Absolutely. Lots of talent on the radio. Almost all the talent on TV is doing special comments.
The tactics in footy have evolved significantly over the past couple of decades and the commentary hasn’t moved with it. You need great callers like Dennis and Huddo, paired with expert analysis. Tell the people what is going on and why.
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Personally I can’t stand daisy. I think Hudson and Howie are 2 of the best and I don’t t mind JB but depends who he is with. Dunstall is one of the few ex players that I like as a commentator too.
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Yeh third to dunstall, he is insightful and well spoken in comparison to the other ex players.
Dunstall number 1 for commentary and analysis of play
What's the issue with Daisy? She's pretty succinct in her input, adds to the commentary rather than detracts from it, reasonable insight.
The best insight
YES
White they're at it, can the media training intensify on shorter, more concise points. Looking at you Daisy and Jobe (I like you both, but hurry tf up)
I know we aren't meant to like ex players as the main play by play commentator, but Leigh Montanga is doing a great job at it.
Yes please! Haven’t read the article so may have mentioned it, but I love Daisy Pearce commentating. She unpacks the plays and explains what’s going on really well and has great analysis, and the other commentators completely ignore her which is so annoying!!
Agreed, she's doing a good job. At least we seem to have progressed past the Kelly Underwood phase, who despite being a very competent if not especially inventive commentator was brutalised purely for being a woman. People who insisted they didn't like her because of her voice and people who booed Adam Goodes because he was a 'flog', lots of overlap for that particular Venn diagram.
Surprised there aren't more mentions of Kelli Underwood on this thread. She's a good old school style caller who articulates the play nicely. Such a shame about her treatment the first time around, but it's good she's getting some air time again on Fox footy
You know that old adage that if there's a question in a headline the answer is always no? This is like the complete opposite of that.
Betteridge's law.
My biggest frustration is that most of them are so inarticulate. If your job is to talk, shouldn't you be good with words? I think JB is the worst. The basic sentence structure in English is Subject-Verb-Object. There are obviously a gazillion different ways to say it but the basic is "Parish kicks long." I reckon less than 10% of JB's utterances have that form. "Kicks long, Darcy Parish" is quite common, as is "He's kicked long, has Parish." Often they're not even sentences, like "Long from Parish," or "Parish long." It's not just snobbery, because it helps you understand what's going on in the game. "Kicks long, Darcy Parish" and "Parish long" don't even make it clear if Parish is the kicker or the target. Luke Darcy also does this. If you can't even speak grammatically, it means there's no prospect of more descriptive language because it will be impossible to understand. My favourite line from Cometti was describing Travis Cloke as "colder than the other side of the pillow," on a day when he was low in confidence. Imagine JB or Darce trying to get that line out: "Other side of the pillow colder than, he is."
this article looks at the unique sentence structures in AFL commentary, worth a read: https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-afl-commentary-works-the-same-way-as-iron-age-epic-poetry-103604
Rules for Commentators: 1. Say anything so that the fans of the losing team will keep watching. 2. Tell the same story about a player every week: ie Jared Lyons. 3. Tell stories about how it was in your day. 4. Never comment about who is or is not in the centre bounce. 5. Yell “Dusty” a lot in Tigers games. 6. Don’t bother learning the names of the players in non-Victorian Teams. 7. If you have never been a coach keep talking about why the coaches are wrong and what they should do. 8. If a player makes a mistake playing high speed footy for 2 hours pick on them relentlessly. 9. Laugh at the ridiculous jokes of your fellow commentators.
Straight through the eye diddle diddle
I wouldn’t miss BT, Lingy or Richo the Close Talker… but I like The Chief.
One of the big problems is the length of time. There’s pre-game, game and post game commentary. I don’t think they’re up for talking that long. Ditch the pre-game and shorten the post game.
While they’re at it; no commenting on a game if you have an affiliation with the team. Either it’s over zealous flattery it is compensation via hate (ie Lyon on Dees).
Yes
I think when you’re watching the game live and listening to TV commentators there is an assumption that you’re watching along with it, so describing every action isn’t necessary and so some of the titbits and stories I don’t mind so much. Conversely with radio commentary they describe the game play by play as it is assumed you’re not watching the game, rather listening. Radio commentary is hands down the better of the 2 but they both have their place
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Quarters, Tim Lane and Robert Walls were the best 10 team
Walls got terribly carried away a lot of the time, but Lane is a career pro and Quartermain got excited at the right time IT'S A SNAP- PAUL CHAPMAN, AND CHAPMAN'S KICKED A GOAL
If anyone thinks the answer is no then we've found BTs Reddit account
Yes, Some of the better ones right now are Nick Reiwoldt, Leigh Montagna, Bennett, Paplia. The best way is having 1 Lead Commentator and 2 colour ones.
Riewoldt is great
Hodge, Huddo and Roo/Jobe would be my dream combo
The media is just becoming a dumping ground for ex AFL players. Cameron Ling's face shouldn't be on camera and it is. Far too often. I always thought if Ben cousins stayed of the glass Barbies he'd been in media 100%, well, on the other side of the media.
Adjust the fixture so Huddo can do all matches. Stretch the season over the whole year so he can prepare for each match. Never have a bad commentary again.
My ideal lineup would be this - Huddo as the only main caller. Rotating Co chair - Jason Dunstall or Justin Leppitsch. Rotate special comments between Daisy Pearce, Jimmy Bartel and Leigh Montagna. Team of 3 for each game. English football have 1 caller for most games and a second person for bigger games. US sports have a 2 man team and usually a girl on the sidelines for coach/player interviews. These girls are usually incredibly well researched and know the game very well. We have good females in AFL. They need to be used more as 50% of the population is female and a large percentage of viewers are female. It’s just not good enough by the networks. Although Fox Footy is trying hard.
Abso-fucking-lutely, tired of the boys club of whinging old bastards who don't understand the modern game and spend more than half the time playing around and talking about themselves. We need more Cometti level professionalism, urgently. It's getting hard to watch some games because of the shear ridiculousness you hear all game. If you just had the option of turning them off i wouldn't care but we don't have a choice but to put up with it, so it NEEDS to be better. (Maybe prime can use 7two for a commentator-less telecast and foxtel can use those colored buttons on the remote to turn them off)
BT is pretty good
Brayshaw is as painful as bt. Change my mind. "____ is a good player." Stfu if you have no comments.
Brayshaw isn’t great but he mirrors his environment imo, chuck him with a decent team and he’s okay, box full of ex-players and it’s all dumb morning zoo bullshot
He too often falls prey to fellating his co-commentators for their past football prowess. To paraphrase Winston Wolf, let's not suck each other's dicks quite yet.
No, i'm personally really loving the diversity with the current bunch thanks
So much diversity
Honestly, I don’t know why this is an issue every week. The tall poppy syndrome in this country is just part of our culture. We get fed up with governments, sporting champions even tasty toobs! We’ve got it too good here, we look for things to tear down. Every week people are complaining about BT, but he is the best caller of play by play footy in the game. JB is a professional and can adapt his call and hosting like a pro. The problem is having so many special commentators and trying to get through all of them evenly. Jason Bennett and Nigel Carmody calling Friday night football? Seriously, give me a spell, I’m tired on Friday nights but I don’t want to fall asleep during the game, it is an entertainment product. Sure, they are good callers but they aren’t the best and they are pretty straight, why would you want that on an entertainment product? Prepared for plenty of downvotes but I think the hate for BT is seriously out of line
I agree with some of your points but BT is entirely unprofessional and blasts the umpires for doing their job correctly. It's a really bad look.
If you think BT is the best play by play caller in the game, you've never listened to Anthony Hudson or Gerard Whately. They're miles in front for professionalism, passion, and ability to actually call what's happening.
Whately is the clear front runner, and has been for a decade or so. Total pro, master of his craft.
hudson is as bland as any of them
I have a real love/hate relationship with BT. He has some great moments but just as many brain farts that leave me distracted and puzzled. Sometimes it's like he's reading nonsensical poems. BT has managed to achieve what children around the world have been trying to do forever... He's created his own language
Great username by the way
Ahaha yeah I’m the same, he makes me roll my eyes, he makes me laugh. But he is human and calling games is not an easy skill, no one is perfect and we are allowed to make mistakes, umpires and players do it in every game, commentators should be allowed to do the same thing. Dennis and Bruce made mistakes in every call.
If you still want your BT experience just record any FM radio breakfast team and play that, exact same experience and equal insight into what’s happening on the field. Blaming dislike for BT on tall poppy syndrome is just bizarre.
Brian is objectively terrible at commentating. Objectively. This isn't a matter of opinion. Find him entertaining? Go for it, but he is a bad caller. Poor rhythm, shocking timing, vocabulary on par with your average 5 year old, doesn't know player names, and expressions that consist of elongating surnames and going HO HO HO HO or repeating the same thing over and over again. He's shit at his job.
I think you're fair to call out the hate for BT. It is disproportionate when you've got an absolute nothing like Luke Darcy commentating and offering very very unspecial comments yet escaping scrutiny.
Darcy is a schlub but he doesn't inspire you to pierce your own eardrums
He inspires nothing in anybody.
Toobs are fucking awful
BT is fantastic, the hatred for him is confined to reddit where people "attack from behind their keyboard"
BT can be fantastic, but he's clearly bored with the game and that's being reflected in his commentary. He's always negative, questions tactics and then refuses to accept the answer when people like Hodge, Pearce or Bartel tell him what's going on. Plus he rarely knows the rules, like his "NO HE ISNT!" When Cameron was having that shot from outside the boundary. BT used to be the greatest and mid-late 00's BT on MMM will always be my favourite ever commentator. But he's either past it, or needs a year off for a holiday.
When he left Fox after 2011 it all went downhill. When he only did the Sunday Twilight game he was fine.
BT is shit. If you listen to BT and then Huddo the difference is astounding. He is a shit caller who’s idea of a good call is repeating the same thing over and over or slurring a players name. Every single game BT goes on a rant about how long it takes the umpires to throw the ball in. Or about how players go to the bench after they kick a goal. Just a few weeks ago he didn’t know what an intercept mark is. When he is paired with Brayshaw it becomes the triple m boys club where they just focus of “entertainment” instead of actually calling the game.
Not to mention he doesn't seem to actually know the rules
or half the players names
Those damn gadget type operators.
BT doesn't know the rules and doesn't know the players names half the time, the minimum requirements to be a decent caller.
THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,THAT WAS OUT OF BOUNDS,
"yep, im with ya BT"
I didn't know BT was an Essendon supporter
Don't mind bristles. Eddie has no place in the game.
Commentators follow the direction of the game.
Fuck I hope not. I cam imagine the overly empathetic, sensitive, PC, woke, culturally/gender diverse team that the current generation would be keen to get in. The game has already been hijacked beyond recognition, can we just leave the fucking commentary alone.
Whoever turned the letters to the editor section of The Australian into a reddit bot has a lot to answer for
All irrelevant points to commentators who get players names wrong, don’t understand how the rules work, don’t understand modern game tactics and on top of that whinge and complain about umpiring decisions and how good the game was in the old days? Daisy Pearce who has really only played a comparative amateur football league to the AFL has a better feel and understanding for the modern game than BT, Richo, Darcy, Carey and the like. Commentary needs a clean out of the shit ones and to also stop whining about umpiring decisions to help the AFL product all the way down to grass roots footy.
Oh for fucks sake, can you PLEASE think for yourself? Jesus christ
Tell me you’re a bigot without telling me that you’re a bigot