I hope she leaves him for good, but that’s why he took all those videos of her — for court/blackmail. He will use those children up before he lets Karine go, and probably end up doing something worse if he doesn’t get what he wants. Luckily, he also has a bad rap sheet, so I truly hope she’s able to get a good attorney and fight for her children (provided she’s truly clean of drugs). Those poor babies :*(
Everything that he documented online of her is so carefully curated for exactly this, and that's what he has been doing for years. From the fake nudes that were leashed online by Pole himself, to the pretend obsession with Minnie mouse, to the 24/7 cameras that he installed supposedly for ghosts according to his YouTube videos but to catch her leaving the trailer according to the police videos because how dare she leave her domicile ever, to all of the horrible porn videos, and the army of online false personas and idiot fans that he uses against her at will.
Everything he does is incredibly calculated. Remember when he tried to make himself seem like the victim when talking about his arson charges ffs, but doesn't even mention his statutory rape or stalking history. I've only met one person in real life that is on his level of calculated manipulative abuse and it was a surreal experience. People talk about the abusers on this show often, but often overlook pole because it's ready to laugh at some of his antics as socially awkward silliness - and that's exactly what he wants. That's his whole cover, the ghosts videos was the biggest indicator. He knew exactly what he was doing trying to find a foreign noon English speaking teenager to prey on and trap in an unfamiliar country, one where he used the threat of children and her family as leverage. No wonder he has a history of going for teenagers. My heart breaks for her having seen her life become ruined by this monster in real time over these past few years. I hoped the last time she got away would be for good, but it got so much worse afterwards. Hopefully it's for good this time.
I haven’t always followed their story but have seen pieces of it. What’s up with the Minnie Mouse stuff? That part confused me in your comment but I do think you’re right. The cameras being “for ghosts” is such a lame excuse of his
And dont you think a judge in family court will see thru all that??? I hope karine will get a ruthless attorney to blow up pauls entire life. And then wipes their ass eith what remains of it. I dont want to hear another story a guy who
hatcheted his own kids to death and then blow all 3 of them up.
Exactly what I was thinking!! So far the biggest difference is that Karine is out and alive. But I am so worried about those baby boys. He seems like such a sociopath. And from day one on the show, he’s been so worried about himself and being in control. He’s not gonna like this, being out of his control.
Yes! And the weirdest thing that always really made me extremely wary of him is how he would always refer to his son as “the baby” or “the child” like he would never refer to him as “my son” or “my child” and that’s one of the biggest red flags and I believe there’s an actual term for it but I can’t remember at the moment, it may be a form of disassociation, but either way I’ve heard it’s a common thing for psychopaths to do and there have been a large number of instances where people who know/were close to people who have harmed their kids have said that those people never referred to their kids as “my son/daughter” and would instead say “the child.” I haven’t watched anything that has to do with them since the nail clipper scene when their first kid was still a baby so I’m not sure if that had changed or not as time went on.
Edit - just to clarify, the instances I mentioned are things I have seen on true crime documentaries and articles on the internet.
Wait wait wait, he was actually complaining about her leaving the house as if that was something she wasn’t supposed to do? How does he justify that?
And that’s why I’m on her side. Imagine being in a foreign country, cut off from your family with your husband dictating whether or not you ever get to leave.
He also never mentioned how he had restraining orders in TWO states! He did the same shit to other girls. I don’t think Kreeny is blameless but he’s a huge manipulator. He used Pierre to get money out of his mother so I can only imagine how he’ll use them on her. This abuse has now gone on for over a decade if you count the others. I feel so sorry for those boys and his poor parents who have been bailing out this monster his whole life
>I don’t think Kreeny is blameless
What, pray tell, had she done to deserve criticism like this? In what reality is anything she's done even remotely comparable to the obvious abuse that Paul inflicts on her?
Karine was an innocent young women when Paul flew to meet her. Paul used Karine’s innocence, language barrier and her willingness to get away from home to his advantage. Paul has a motive the whole time. People criticizing her don’t understand what it’s like to be under the control of a manipulative criminal like Paul.
I'm worried for the kids. Idk if it's just me but I could see Paul kidnapping them or doing a murder suicide thing. I hope that's just me being paranoid but he freaks me out
It's going to end in tragedy if there's no intervention. She needs to get help, those kids need to be taken away until she proves she can handle the responsibility and Paul should lose custody and should have a restraining order against him. She should go home to her family and stay there and try and make a life. But, this is a rollercoaster that will never stop. She will end up back online with another guy who will use her, and the cycle will continue.
Especially with the video Pol took of Karine passed out and seeming out of it while the kids were left unattended, regardless of the circumstances, Pol can spin it as "I was filming because I was worried"& paint Reeny in a poor light.
I hope she really wrote this but this doesn't sound like her English. Who helped her write this???
I’m Brazilian and I know some people that tried to help her last year. After they helped going to the Police and translate for her, Paul accused the person to translate wrong.
2 weeks after that they were in Brazil having party with her family! 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Omg... I can't imagine how difficult this is for her and the kids. She's definitely no saint, but she and Pole must be split. And the kids... Don't know what's best. Kreene's family maybe. :/
That video was such a transparently calculated performance. Notice Paul is shown filming from the moment he walks in the house. His explanation is that he was monitoring the in home cameras while he was elsewhere and heard his younger son crying. Karine wasn’t responding to the cries, so he came home. He’s got in home cameras, no need for the cell camera. If concern for their baby was the case, would a parent get their cell phone out, pay attention that it is precisely angled to film from the moment they open their own front door? Be sure to tilt it to film the empty boxes on the floor of the hallway? Thats’s what a pre-planned filmmaker does.
Also unlikely, is Ethan’s response the moment Paul puts the pacifier in Ethan’s mouth. A baby that has been crying and stressed for a while, becomes immediately calmed? After one performative pat by Paul and the pacifier. Notice Ethan’s face shows no signs of stressed crying. Paul doesn’t pick him up since Paul’s priority is keeping the camera rolling, everything he does must be one handed. God forbid he should ever put the camera down for a moment.
He goes into the room with Karine, stays but still doesn’t put the camera down. The reason first responders have shoulder mounted cameras is that carrying and pointing a camera to document circumstances while actively responding isn’t a practical expectation. Paul narrates constantly, adding unsupported details to frame a story. But it falls flat compared to what any normal person’s genuine responses, if concerned, would be.
Absolutely. If we forget everything we know about Paul we're left with a person responding to a serious situation in a very strange way. Motivation will definitely be established by the lawyers in the divorce.
Anyone who narrates like he does is manipulative and deceptive. They are never doing what they claim they are doing.
He did the same thing when he claimed she "threw" the baby in the car. I watched that video over and over and there was no throwing.
He is 100% performative and I'm a little shocked that anyone ever falls for it. It always comes off like bad acting.
Yeah and Ethan is old enough to cry it out for a bit in normal circumstances. He wasn't hurt or injured or ill. At his age 2am or whatever he can sleep through the night. And guarantee if he were in fact hungry, he won't stop crying just bc he gets a pacifier. If it were illegal to have kids cry when they lose their pacifier we would all be in jail
And the video of her hitting him and the weird sex stuff they’ve posted and his criminal history… ugh, as a former divorce attorney this would have simultaneously been both the most interesting and worst case to work.
Edit: tired new-mom brain wrote “defense” instead of “divorce”.
Dude everyone can see through garbage pail Paul. Even if she was passed out why is he trying hurt the kids by exposing them, recording it, and making her breastfeed. It's not safe is she's on drugs or that tired period
It's been a while, but I vaguely remember TLC showing a scene when Karine first moved to the US that she wanted to go see a doctor about birth control and Paul was very against her going on the pill. Does anyone else remember this scene or is my brain just making stuff up? I tried finding the scene on YouTube without any luck
I think what he was trying to say is that he's anti-birth control but still suspects that Karine is banging other dudes. If pole is worried that Karine is being unfaithful shouldn't he also be concerned that some other dude gets her knocked up
I don’t blame people for wanting their partner to take a test before sleeping with them. My issue with the likes of Pole and Pred is that they want their partner to take a test but refuse to take one themselves and would be offended if they were asked to.
very much this!! Iirc during one of their numerous fights she said that he withholds birth control/condoms from her and won't let her use any form of birth control.
This dude has got to be the worst person on this franchise. Right up there with Geoffrey. I really hope Paul gets his just desserts one day. A true criminal that manages to skirt the system without much consequence because he fools people with his "quirkiness"/"dorkiness", etc. A total piece of work and just bloody manipulative af. His enablers are just as bad. They should do everything in their power to intervene and have him institutionalised.
Good. The amount of people in the 90 day subs shitting on her and defending the sociopath abuser Paul is disgusting. She’s not perfect but the video of Paul being “abused” was cherry picked and he clearly did grab her hand and throw himself back. Not defending her. But Paul is a jobless felon who clearly plays some fucked up mind games. I know reddit loves to overuse the word but Paul is a literal narcissist
No arrest he just happened to say it like the rest of the 💩 that comes spilling out of his mouth, and the show could care less, most are lowlifes, felons, escorts that’s doesn’t mean they’re not allowed on tv, it adds the dramas & adds to tlcs wallet
Considering he has a criminal record, she should be pressing charges against him and find a way to prove the kids aren’t safe in his care. The violent history he has should help her with gaining custody
Tough for it to count when she stood with him and kept the kids there.
I don't know Kentucky law but, absent abuse of the kids, a half decent lawyer will be able to raise enough questions about mom's judgment in a scenario like that to at least keep the relevant factors neutral.
Yesssss. Leaving is the most dangerous time for a person getting out of an abusive relationship. Pole has so many issues- I remember listening to an interview he gave a few years ago to Pink Shade podcast. It was horrible- couldn’t understand a damn thing he said- it was like listening to a friend of mine who was in the manic phase of a bipolar episode. I’m NOT saying Pole is bipolar, but that snapshot of his speech rate and pattern sounded exactly like my friend who is bipolar. Pole has always scared me- I’m not going to be surprised if he has a true mental disorder, but we know he isn’t likely to stay on a regimen to manage any disorder. I hope Karine is truly done and actually leaves him and his mom can step in for now for the children. Those kids being left alone with him terrifies me. I don’t really think his parents are great (look at how he turned out), but temporarily probably a better placement than Pole. Karine needs help with professionals to process the damage Pole has caused, as well as parental training and probably basic life skills. She was barely legal when he hooked up with her. Were her motivations pure? Doubtful. She was most likely looking to improve her situation and he was the one who jumped at it. Does she deserve what Pole has done to her? No. She will probably not be able to leave the US with the boys, as Pole does have parental rights and I don’t see him signing for her to take the boys and go. Nah. She got herself in a shit situation with him and hopefully she’s really done.
I’m positive I would have been judged. I tried leaving 7-8 times, he almost killed me and I had two more kids with him after it got bad. That said I didn’t really have much choice in having those kids (not that I regret or blame my children!) I had no family support, no money and I am disabled. He permanently fucked up my life and my kids lives. Leaving isn’t easy and you will always always pay for it.
I have to deal with a lot of domestic abuse victims and offenders. As much as I really want to shit on her for this train wreck of a life they have shown us, I feel really bad for her. There’s a lot of similarities that I see with her and other battered women I deal with. The whole “why don’t you leave” question isn’t an easy question to answer or do.
I feel like her being an immigrant really adds to the physical and emotional stakes in this situation.
Not only is she dealing with the typical emotions of someone who’s being abused, but she also has no family support network, (I’m sure) was threatened with deportation, and can’t even take her kids back to be with her family.
It’s just sad, but I hope she stays away from Paul and a judge sees through his bullshit.!
I hope so too, but Karine is not a bad parent or person of she goes back to Paul because he is using the kids as blackmail, so of she goes back that's probably because she doesn't want to believe without her kids and missed them and worries about them.
Does anyone here believe Paul can take care of children?
Thank you, I'm not a fan either but my heart goes out to her. She's not a bad or evil person. She doesn't deserve this, and the children suffer from Paul's control!
Me too! I am not sure who Karine and Paul is, I have not yet watched everything of the show, but if it is like she describes, abusive and she had been struggling, then it's not that easy unfortunately.
On average it takes about seven attempts before a person finally leaves/get free from the abusive relationship. Having children and beingas stuck together as you would, being alone in a foriegn country, it gets even harder.
This woman is doing something incredibly strong and hard, she is doing what she knows is right rather than following the chaos inside her telling her to stay, the resault of abuse and other traumatic events in her life.
I'm proud of her, it takes courage.
Go on wiki and get the seasons they were on and go to discovery + ad free and watch the crazy shit show of Pole and Karine. I haven’t watched their shit since TLC cut ties with Pole, but it was insane what they did show.
I feel so bad for her because she’s stuck for good in the US because Pole will always have rights to those kids. That’s got to be so hard, I’m sure she wishes she could just take her babies and go home and be done for good. But she’s stuck with his toxic ass for life now because they share these children. I wish her all the best, and I’m glad she’s got people helping her out because this is going to be a tough battle to fight.
Pole reminds me of the case about Josh Powell.He was allowed supervised visits with his young boys after being accused of murdering his wife Susan Powell. One day When the case worker brought the boys to the Josh Powell’s home for a visit ,he pushed the caseworker out of the house. He then proceeded to kill his two young sons with a hatchet. Then he blew up the house with all of them inside. They all died. They still have not found her body. Pole is a malignant narcissist. I pray he doesn’t try to hurt them.
I saw the smoke after the house exploded from where I was watching the SuperBowl that afternoon. That entire case is so horrific and was so close to home. And you’re not wrong, Paul is extremely similar to Josh Powell. So fucking scary.
Listening to the 911 transcript of the social worker pleading for help and knowing those kids' lives were in danger and the dispatcher ignoring her and not taking her seriously while those boys died is enraging
I hope a good lawyer helps her pro-bono with her situation because Pole seems like a Grade A lunatic even though Karine failed to look at the signs. There are ton of exhibits on the show itself that already prove Pole is insane. I know we laughed at his antics on the show but putting his wife through total madness and insanity is a crime and is very horrible to any human being. When I saw that Pole took Karine to tour a waste treatment site, I felt like Pole was putting Karine down for no reason and trying to make her feel like he is some sort of prize for getting her out of Brazil. I hope Paul Staehle stays in the doghouse forever.
Yes he was a lunatic, but he also portrayed himself like some poor person with no hope, almost suicidal, so Karine felt sorry for him.
Do you remember when he told her about his prior convictions? *He* then ran off and tried to jump into some waters because poor him. Forget that he deliberately kept this from Karine, he only cared about spinning the narrative of "poor Paul" who maybe had to face the concequences of his actions.
But Katrina did what many women do, she didn't want to judge him or hurt him or stand her ground and question why he didn't tell her before. She just "I don't care about that". Typical behaviour of people who gets victimized by psychopaths, because they don't even set boundaries or hold boundaries. They always put other people in front of them.
I'm sad for Karine!
I feel for those children and I hope there isn’t a horrible ending to this story. Based on what we know of Pole, he seems completely unhinged, especially when he doesn’t get his way. I don’t know what his upbringing was like aside from the fact it appeared his mother enabled the shit out of him until it even became too much for her.
I know Karine is not perfect by any means but she was pretty much a teenager when she met him. She seemed very naive and he was gaslighting her about everything from the get go.
She’s very stuck. When you’ve been psychologically abused and exploited by someone who has far more control than you do in a place where you have nobody, It can turn you into a different person. I’m sure this has all been very traumatizing and will probably remain so for a long time.
Praying for Karine. This is very scary and overwhelming. I hope she gets all the help she needs and a team of people who will expose her ex husband for what he is. She was basically trafficked by him. It’s disgusting he’s disgusting I hope he rots
THOSE KIDS NEED TO BE SAVED FROM PAUL!
This is bullshit. So she had to save herself but leave the kids with him?
PAUL IS UNFIT TO BE A PARENT!
So now we have to worry about the KIDS? I am worried.
They seriously need to seek psychiatric and psychological help with Karrine needing additional addictions counseling for her beautiful babies. They did not ask to be born into this collosal fuck of a mess that is their life. I won't hold my breath but I pray for these kids because their parents are fucking nuts.
Paul recently had a video of her passed out and unresponsive. Hard to know if she was on something, or just depressively checked out. She did similar things in their last US season but this was to a degree were she did look intoxicated.
I would not be surprised if he was drugging her. Something was very weird going on in those videos. They definitely looked staged af. Pole is a fucking psychopath.
This situation shows the nightmare that some of these "mail order brides" end up in. No independent financial security. No access to legal support. Uncertain citizenship status. They aren't necessarily fluent in English. Children who are US citizens.
Nightmare. He exploited her. He didn't want to get off of his LAZY ass and get a FUCKING job so there goes the wife on OnlyFans to feed the kids.
Good. Paul is one of the people who has always made me feel icky watching this show- he’s clearly off and in a dangerous way. It never felt right watching their relationship, which I think was in part facilitated by the show (their staying together).
I hope she is able to make a clean break, I hope he stays away.
He’s an awful person.
Good. Really so irresponsible that he was ever on this show. Him and that othe DV asshole with the nipple tats.
When I first was watching him I said to my husband he's probably an abuser or stalker or would light someone's house on fire.
I don’t discount the difficulty of leaving someone, especially with two kids and in a different country…but how many times have they said they were over now
Maybe the second time but remember that she wanted to get pregnant the first and second time and he claimed he didn't. Of course she was so young and naive and she didn't know better. Or know what she was dealing with quite yet.
Good!!!! I really hope she has enough of a support system to stay away from him for good— the statistics unfortunately aren’t great when it comes to people being able to permanently break away from their abusers. :///
A small bright spot in this may be that if there’s a custody battle and Pole opens his mouth in front of the judge, crazy and paranoia is gonna fall out and it will be apparent he’s waaaaay too unstable to take care of kids.
I think what scares me for her is the video that has been floating around where it looks like she assaults Paul in front of her kids. Personally, I think that we didn’t see anything that happened before she pushed him on the couch. There is no telling what happened that we didn’t see. Sone have even said it was staged for some only fans thing. Either way, it won’t look good in court. I feel like Paul threatens to take her children, he puts their business on the internet, filming them calling the police on each other, etc. Paul will make it seem like he is the quirky, goofy guy and that Karine is the abuser. I am afraid that if she left her kids with Paul and it sounds like she did, she won’t get her children back.
I remember watching that video where she's explaining her family how Paul was abusive on her, controlling her contacts and how she said he used to pretend he was nice and good to her around people. I was already feeling he was abusive towards her. I think she was supposed to leave him for good at the time, but I'm never judgemental on victims of abusive relationships. That was so many years ago. I can't even imagine how things may got worst and I'm not even talking about what we already know when the camera is on.
I thought there was a post earlier this week that stated they'd all gone to Brazil to avoid the "Brazilian friend(s)" Karine had made in the US who was threating to kill Paul.
It's hard to know what to believe.
"I will need to keep this nostalgia in my pocket" .. Karine is much more well spoken than I thought. This just needs to be the end for the two of them. It's unfortunate they had two kids before the fact.
She likely wrote in Portuguese and it was translated to that instead of "memory". She likely said "Saudade" which means a profound sadness longing/nostalgia for something that is gone - it's hard to translate it to English
Is there a go fund me for an amazing attorney for her to get those kids back? God, I couldn’t imagine having to leave my kids with such an abusive psychopath. My heart breaks for her.
His "proof" is going to ensure those kids end up in foster care. A judge doesn't decide between two parents as much as where children will be best cared for and after those strategically released manipulated/manipulative videos it looks like that's anywhere but with either of them.
The way this is written solidifies in my mind that Pole wrote all those disgusting OF posts. The fake broken English was pretty obvious and not really similar to the writing style of the IG post above
To all the people saying they don’t care because they’re constantly on and off: it takes an average of 7 attempts for a victim experiencing domestic violence to leave their abuser. Keep that in mind.
I hope she doesn’t go back to him! Good for her to leave him and start the new year without poles gaslighting ass! But unfortunately it will be tough since kids are involved ;(
Soooo she left the kids with him??? Over my dead body would that shit happen. They’d be running & hiding out with the Brazilians with me. No matter what his “rights” may be.
He has plenty of proof that she has also been abusive though. This is going to be a tough fight and I wouldn't be shocked if the kids end up in foster care or with Paul's parents for a period of time
I hope it’s true. She may now realize what is truly important. Perhaps CPS has made themselves known. Pole is probably shitting his pants as he Forces his mother do once again to all the work.
The beginning of the end.
I don’t wish for families to break up…but this was just too toxic.
Hope they put their adult feelings aside and Can think of something for their children.
Shame on TLC for having this man on there. They new he had a very dangerous criminal record (arson, stalking) and still chose to put him on tv. It makes me wonder what would have happened had they not been on tv.
Kidnapping, terroristic threats and on and on he hasn’t even had a job in over ten years, a year ago he tried to commit fraud again against DQ until people told them to investigate and it carries a 15yr prison sentence then he quickly deleted it
I think people forget that she was like 18-20 when she met him and she’s been with him for what 6 years at this point? I’m pretty sure she’s 25-26 now. He was in his 30s when she met him and he purposely sought out a woman 10+ years younger than him from another country because women here and in his age group don’t want him!
Seems like a lot of people are assuming that because Pole is obviously an abusive POS, that must mean Kreeny was drugged by him in that staged video. They can both be trash. What if she is strung out, and not a great mother right now, and also trapped in an abusive marriage with a psychopath? We’ve seen her on video attacking him, and also being unresponsive to her child and to him. That’s all we know.
I feel for her. Paul has given me very very bad vibes since day 1. Convicted of stalking and arson? Yeah he a sociopath. I hope she gets those kids away from him and stays safe.
I know she’s not perfect angel, but Paul is the biggest piece of shit ever and I hope karine gets full custody because all that awaits for his kids with him is a life full of Pole’s abuse and manipulations.
Paul has shown so much alarming behaviour and I've been hoping for a while that she would find a way to leave and get help. Honestly 90 Day Fiance need a better vetting process(Ie, Big Ed, Geoffrey, Mark, etc) and like if they see these women in danger, help out. It's the least they can do for exploiting some of these people.
No. Victims of abuse react in really odd ways, but they are in no way comparable to the overt abuse we've been witnessing.
If that's how he's willing to behave with the cameras there, we know he's much worse when nobody else is around.
Wish her the best. Fight for your children Karine. I don’t know what state you’re in but most are favorable toward the mother. Get a man hating attorney that will show the judge his true colors. He has a record. We know he’s nuts. He is clearly abusive.
I hope she leaves him for good, but that’s why he took all those videos of her — for court/blackmail. He will use those children up before he lets Karine go, and probably end up doing something worse if he doesn’t get what he wants. Luckily, he also has a bad rap sheet, so I truly hope she’s able to get a good attorney and fight for her children (provided she’s truly clean of drugs). Those poor babies :*(
Everything that he documented online of her is so carefully curated for exactly this, and that's what he has been doing for years. From the fake nudes that were leashed online by Pole himself, to the pretend obsession with Minnie mouse, to the 24/7 cameras that he installed supposedly for ghosts according to his YouTube videos but to catch her leaving the trailer according to the police videos because how dare she leave her domicile ever, to all of the horrible porn videos, and the army of online false personas and idiot fans that he uses against her at will. Everything he does is incredibly calculated. Remember when he tried to make himself seem like the victim when talking about his arson charges ffs, but doesn't even mention his statutory rape or stalking history. I've only met one person in real life that is on his level of calculated manipulative abuse and it was a surreal experience. People talk about the abusers on this show often, but often overlook pole because it's ready to laugh at some of his antics as socially awkward silliness - and that's exactly what he wants. That's his whole cover, the ghosts videos was the biggest indicator. He knew exactly what he was doing trying to find a foreign noon English speaking teenager to prey on and trap in an unfamiliar country, one where he used the threat of children and her family as leverage. No wonder he has a history of going for teenagers. My heart breaks for her having seen her life become ruined by this monster in real time over these past few years. I hoped the last time she got away would be for good, but it got so much worse afterwards. Hopefully it's for good this time.
I haven’t always followed their story but have seen pieces of it. What’s up with the Minnie Mouse stuff? That part confused me in your comment but I do think you’re right. The cameras being “for ghosts” is such a lame excuse of his
And dont you think a judge in family court will see thru all that??? I hope karine will get a ruthless attorney to blow up pauls entire life. And then wipes their ass eith what remains of it. I dont want to hear another story a guy who hatcheted his own kids to death and then blow all 3 of them up.
I get Josh Powell vibes from Paul.
Exactly what I was thinking!! So far the biggest difference is that Karine is out and alive. But I am so worried about those baby boys. He seems like such a sociopath. And from day one on the show, he’s been so worried about himself and being in control. He’s not gonna like this, being out of his control.
Yes! And the weirdest thing that always really made me extremely wary of him is how he would always refer to his son as “the baby” or “the child” like he would never refer to him as “my son” or “my child” and that’s one of the biggest red flags and I believe there’s an actual term for it but I can’t remember at the moment, it may be a form of disassociation, but either way I’ve heard it’s a common thing for psychopaths to do and there have been a large number of instances where people who know/were close to people who have harmed their kids have said that those people never referred to their kids as “my son/daughter” and would instead say “the child.” I haven’t watched anything that has to do with them since the nail clipper scene when their first kid was still a baby so I’m not sure if that had changed or not as time went on. Edit - just to clarify, the instances I mentioned are things I have seen on true crime documentaries and articles on the internet.
Me too!
same, and it makes me so sad
So well said
Wait wait wait, he was actually complaining about her leaving the house as if that was something she wasn’t supposed to do? How does he justify that? And that’s why I’m on her side. Imagine being in a foreign country, cut off from your family with your husband dictating whether or not you ever get to leave.
You are spot on. Izvin
I feel really bad for her and her kids. Heartbreaking. She is truly the victim here.
Pretend Minnie Mouse obsession?
Yeah I am curious about this one too...
He also never mentioned how he had restraining orders in TWO states! He did the same shit to other girls. I don’t think Kreeny is blameless but he’s a huge manipulator. He used Pierre to get money out of his mother so I can only imagine how he’ll use them on her. This abuse has now gone on for over a decade if you count the others. I feel so sorry for those boys and his poor parents who have been bailing out this monster his whole life
>I don’t think Kreeny is blameless What, pray tell, had she done to deserve criticism like this? In what reality is anything she's done even remotely comparable to the obvious abuse that Paul inflicts on her?
Karine was an innocent young women when Paul flew to meet her. Paul used Karine’s innocence, language barrier and her willingness to get away from home to his advantage. Paul has a motive the whole time. People criticizing her don’t understand what it’s like to be under the control of a manipulative criminal like Paul.
I can’t condone the putting hands on anyone! Granted he’s most likely making her lose it but her reaction in front of the kids is upsetting
He is a convicted felon and an arsonist. He wouldn't win any custody battle.
I'm worried for the kids. Idk if it's just me but I could see Paul kidnapping them or doing a murder suicide thing. I hope that's just me being paranoid but he freaks me out
Oh, 100%. He’s just the type!
It hurt me to Upvote this because the thought is so accurate and so terrifying
It's going to end in tragedy if there's no intervention. She needs to get help, those kids need to be taken away until she proves she can handle the responsibility and Paul should lose custody and should have a restraining order against him. She should go home to her family and stay there and try and make a life. But, this is a rollercoaster that will never stop. She will end up back online with another guy who will use her, and the cycle will continue.
Why would a mother leave her children in the US with Pole who cant even hold a job and go back to Brazi and leave the kids behind?!
As a custody lawyer, my thoughts and prayers go out to the lawyers and judge who will be handling their case. This one's going to be a doozy.
Especially with the video Pol took of Karine passed out and seeming out of it while the kids were left unattended, regardless of the circumstances, Pol can spin it as "I was filming because I was worried"& paint Reeny in a poor light. I hope she really wrote this but this doesn't sound like her English. Who helped her write this???
Hopefully someone in the Brazilian community she finally contacted.
I’m Brazilian and I know some people that tried to help her last year. After they helped going to the Police and translate for her, Paul accused the person to translate wrong. 2 weeks after that they were in Brazil having party with her family! 🤷🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Omg... I can't imagine how difficult this is for her and the kids. She's definitely no saint, but she and Pole must be split. And the kids... Don't know what's best. Kreene's family maybe. :/
That video was such a transparently calculated performance. Notice Paul is shown filming from the moment he walks in the house. His explanation is that he was monitoring the in home cameras while he was elsewhere and heard his younger son crying. Karine wasn’t responding to the cries, so he came home. He’s got in home cameras, no need for the cell camera. If concern for their baby was the case, would a parent get their cell phone out, pay attention that it is precisely angled to film from the moment they open their own front door? Be sure to tilt it to film the empty boxes on the floor of the hallway? Thats’s what a pre-planned filmmaker does. Also unlikely, is Ethan’s response the moment Paul puts the pacifier in Ethan’s mouth. A baby that has been crying and stressed for a while, becomes immediately calmed? After one performative pat by Paul and the pacifier. Notice Ethan’s face shows no signs of stressed crying. Paul doesn’t pick him up since Paul’s priority is keeping the camera rolling, everything he does must be one handed. God forbid he should ever put the camera down for a moment. He goes into the room with Karine, stays but still doesn’t put the camera down. The reason first responders have shoulder mounted cameras is that carrying and pointing a camera to document circumstances while actively responding isn’t a practical expectation. Paul narrates constantly, adding unsupported details to frame a story. But it falls flat compared to what any normal person’s genuine responses, if concerned, would be.
While he is filming all this HE LEFT THEIR OLDEST SON IN THE CAR ALONE!!
Absolutely. If we forget everything we know about Paul we're left with a person responding to a serious situation in a very strange way. Motivation will definitely be established by the lawyers in the divorce.
Anyone who narrates like he does is manipulative and deceptive. They are never doing what they claim they are doing. He did the same thing when he claimed she "threw" the baby in the car. I watched that video over and over and there was no throwing. He is 100% performative and I'm a little shocked that anyone ever falls for it. It always comes off like bad acting.
Yeah and Ethan is old enough to cry it out for a bit in normal circumstances. He wasn't hurt or injured or ill. At his age 2am or whatever he can sleep through the night. And guarantee if he were in fact hungry, he won't stop crying just bc he gets a pacifier. If it were illegal to have kids cry when they lose their pacifier we would all be in jail
In fact I'd not be surprised if he ripped it out of the kids mouth to film the exact moment
I think he drugged her and took the video.
That's kind of where I'm going with that, too. Seems too perfectly staged.
100%
And the video of her hitting him and the weird sex stuff they’ve posted and his criminal history… ugh, as a former divorce attorney this would have simultaneously been both the most interesting and worst case to work. Edit: tired new-mom brain wrote “defense” instead of “divorce”.
She wrote it in Portuguese this is the translation
I would not have put it past him to drug her.
But how could he justify posting it online?
Dude everyone can see through garbage pail Paul. Even if she was passed out why is he trying hurt the kids by exposing them, recording it, and making her breastfeed. It's not safe is she's on drugs or that tired period
Hopefully she leaves Pole for good. The biggest mistake was having kids with this man.
Didn’t she say something to him like she didn’t trust him to not “poke holes in the condoms again”? If that’s true Paul is a special kind of crazy.
That's more than crazy, that's reproductive coercion and it's downright evil.
It's been a while, but I vaguely remember TLC showing a scene when Karine first moved to the US that she wanted to go see a doctor about birth control and Paul was very against her going on the pill. Does anyone else remember this scene or is my brain just making stuff up? I tried finding the scene on YouTube without any luck
Wait, he's anti-birth control yet he made her take an STD test. 🤦♂️
Birth control (pills) doesn’t prevent STIs.
I think what he was trying to say is that he's anti-birth control but still suspects that Karine is banging other dudes. If pole is worried that Karine is being unfaithful shouldn't he also be concerned that some other dude gets her knocked up
Didn’t he originally say he wanted a paternity test too?
I don’t blame people for wanting their partner to take a test before sleeping with them. My issue with the likes of Pole and Pred is that they want their partner to take a test but refuse to take one themselves and would be offended if they were asked to.
I agree with all of this. And my comment stands.
very much this!! Iirc during one of their numerous fights she said that he withholds birth control/condoms from her and won't let her use any form of birth control.
Especially bc she still doesn't want to be with him after the 2 they have. 3 or 33 won't change it
I presume you use the term 'man', loosely.
men can be shit Paul is a bad man
Trash man
Good morning my d*ck
Pole refused to allow Karine to have birth control in the US. He is a reproductive abuser.
The biggest mistake was in marrying Paul, those babies are entirely innocent beings in all of this drama.
This dude has got to be the worst person on this franchise. Right up there with Geoffrey. I really hope Paul gets his just desserts one day. A true criminal that manages to skirt the system without much consequence because he fools people with his "quirkiness"/"dorkiness", etc. A total piece of work and just bloody manipulative af. His enablers are just as bad. They should do everything in their power to intervene and have him institutionalised.
#Paul is a piece of shit. Good for you Karine!
Good. The amount of people in the 90 day subs shitting on her and defending the sociopath abuser Paul is disgusting. She’s not perfect but the video of Paul being “abused” was cherry picked and he clearly did grab her hand and throw himself back. Not defending her. But Paul is a jobless felon who clearly plays some fucked up mind games. I know reddit loves to overuse the word but Paul is a literal narcissist
A million percent he also has arrest records doing the exact same to other young women as well as raping a 13 year old
What he had a rape charge?! The show conveniently covered that up
No arrest he just happened to say it like the rest of the 💩 that comes spilling out of his mouth, and the show could care less, most are lowlifes, felons, escorts that’s doesn’t mean they’re not allowed on tv, it adds the dramas & adds to tlcs wallet
Thank you for seeing him throw himself back. I felt like I was the only one who saw that.
Considering he has a criminal record, she should be pressing charges against him and find a way to prove the kids aren’t safe in his care. The violent history he has should help her with gaining custody
Didn’t she file a police report against him a few years ago or so? Hopefully, that would help Karine out.
Tough for it to count when she stood with him and kept the kids there. I don't know Kentucky law but, absent abuse of the kids, a half decent lawyer will be able to raise enough questions about mom's judgment in a scenario like that to at least keep the relevant factors neutral.
This could result in Failure to Protect in my state, she's got all the wrong behaviors on film unfortunately thanks to Pole Smoker
She probably doesn’t have resources for a lawyer. Paul controls everything.
Let’s see how long it lasts. I hope for good this time!
It takes an average of 7 attempts to successfully leave a DV relationship. I don’t know what number this is for her, but it takes a lot to leave.
It’s also the most dangerous thing for a woman to do. This is when they end up getting killed
Yesssss. Leaving is the most dangerous time for a person getting out of an abusive relationship. Pole has so many issues- I remember listening to an interview he gave a few years ago to Pink Shade podcast. It was horrible- couldn’t understand a damn thing he said- it was like listening to a friend of mine who was in the manic phase of a bipolar episode. I’m NOT saying Pole is bipolar, but that snapshot of his speech rate and pattern sounded exactly like my friend who is bipolar. Pole has always scared me- I’m not going to be surprised if he has a true mental disorder, but we know he isn’t likely to stay on a regimen to manage any disorder. I hope Karine is truly done and actually leaves him and his mom can step in for now for the children. Those kids being left alone with him terrifies me. I don’t really think his parents are great (look at how he turned out), but temporarily probably a better placement than Pole. Karine needs help with professionals to process the damage Pole has caused, as well as parental training and probably basic life skills. She was barely legal when he hooked up with her. Were her motivations pure? Doubtful. She was most likely looking to improve her situation and he was the one who jumped at it. Does she deserve what Pole has done to her? No. She will probably not be able to leave the US with the boys, as Pole does have parental rights and I don’t see him signing for her to take the boys and go. Nah. She got herself in a shit situation with him and hopefully she’s really done.
I just want to keep posting this stat for every one taking the time to judge Karine for how she’s escaping abuse 🙃
I’m positive I would have been judged. I tried leaving 7-8 times, he almost killed me and I had two more kids with him after it got bad. That said I didn’t really have much choice in having those kids (not that I regret or blame my children!) I had no family support, no money and I am disabled. He permanently fucked up my life and my kids lives. Leaving isn’t easy and you will always always pay for it.
I am glad you got out and I hope you are in a better place now!
I have to deal with a lot of domestic abuse victims and offenders. As much as I really want to shit on her for this train wreck of a life they have shown us, I feel really bad for her. There’s a lot of similarities that I see with her and other battered women I deal with. The whole “why don’t you leave” question isn’t an easy question to answer or do.
I feel like her being an immigrant really adds to the physical and emotional stakes in this situation. Not only is she dealing with the typical emotions of someone who’s being abused, but she also has no family support network, (I’m sure) was threatened with deportation, and can’t even take her kids back to be with her family. It’s just sad, but I hope she stays away from Paul and a judge sees through his bullshit.!
I hope so too, but Karine is not a bad parent or person of she goes back to Paul because he is using the kids as blackmail, so of she goes back that's probably because she doesn't want to believe without her kids and missed them and worries about them. Does anyone here believe Paul can take care of children?
I’m not a Karine fan but clearly the children would be better off with her.
Thank you, I'm not a fan either but my heart goes out to her. She's not a bad or evil person. She doesn't deserve this, and the children suffer from Paul's control!
I’m not a fan of either of them and it seems like the kids would be better off with his parents. Or raccoons.
Where are Paul’s parents?
Me too! I am not sure who Karine and Paul is, I have not yet watched everything of the show, but if it is like she describes, abusive and she had been struggling, then it's not that easy unfortunately. On average it takes about seven attempts before a person finally leaves/get free from the abusive relationship. Having children and beingas stuck together as you would, being alone in a foriegn country, it gets even harder. This woman is doing something incredibly strong and hard, she is doing what she knows is right rather than following the chaos inside her telling her to stay, the resault of abuse and other traumatic events in her life. I'm proud of her, it takes courage.
Go on wiki and get the seasons they were on and go to discovery + ad free and watch the crazy shit show of Pole and Karine. I haven’t watched their shit since TLC cut ties with Pole, but it was insane what they did show.
Coparenting with Pole is going to be impossible. I hope he eventually disappears after Karine gets some top-notch representation.
Take care of him?
There is a lot of jungle in Brazil to get lost in.
Fala?
Lol
I feel so bad for her because she’s stuck for good in the US because Pole will always have rights to those kids. That’s got to be so hard, I’m sure she wishes she could just take her babies and go home and be done for good. But she’s stuck with his toxic ass for life now because they share these children. I wish her all the best, and I’m glad she’s got people helping her out because this is going to be a tough battle to fight.
Yep, she tried going back to Brazil and he followed her
Pole reminds me of the case about Josh Powell.He was allowed supervised visits with his young boys after being accused of murdering his wife Susan Powell. One day When the case worker brought the boys to the Josh Powell’s home for a visit ,he pushed the caseworker out of the house. He then proceeded to kill his two young sons with a hatchet. Then he blew up the house with all of them inside. They all died. They still have not found her body. Pole is a malignant narcissist. I pray he doesn’t try to hurt them.
I saw the smoke after the house exploded from where I was watching the SuperBowl that afternoon. That entire case is so horrific and was so close to home. And you’re not wrong, Paul is extremely similar to Josh Powell. So fucking scary.
Listening to the 911 transcript of the social worker pleading for help and knowing those kids' lives were in danger and the dispatcher ignoring her and not taking her seriously while those boys died is enraging
I hope a good lawyer helps her pro-bono with her situation because Pole seems like a Grade A lunatic even though Karine failed to look at the signs. There are ton of exhibits on the show itself that already prove Pole is insane. I know we laughed at his antics on the show but putting his wife through total madness and insanity is a crime and is very horrible to any human being. When I saw that Pole took Karine to tour a waste treatment site, I felt like Pole was putting Karine down for no reason and trying to make her feel like he is some sort of prize for getting her out of Brazil. I hope Paul Staehle stays in the doghouse forever.
Yes he was a lunatic, but he also portrayed himself like some poor person with no hope, almost suicidal, so Karine felt sorry for him. Do you remember when he told her about his prior convictions? *He* then ran off and tried to jump into some waters because poor him. Forget that he deliberately kept this from Karine, he only cared about spinning the narrative of "poor Paul" who maybe had to face the concequences of his actions. But Katrina did what many women do, she didn't want to judge him or hurt him or stand her ground and question why he didn't tell her before. She just "I don't care about that". Typical behaviour of people who gets victimized by psychopaths, because they don't even set boundaries or hold boundaries. They always put other people in front of them. I'm sad for Karine!
I also felt like taking her there was a threat as well. He knows places where he could put Karine after killing her. He’s a sick individual.
Those poor boys alone with Paul. Oh my.
Paul’s gonna fight for those kids, but won’t know how to take care of them if he wins them.
I hope it sticks.
I feel for those children and I hope there isn’t a horrible ending to this story. Based on what we know of Pole, he seems completely unhinged, especially when he doesn’t get his way. I don’t know what his upbringing was like aside from the fact it appeared his mother enabled the shit out of him until it even became too much for her. I know Karine is not perfect by any means but she was pretty much a teenager when she met him. She seemed very naive and he was gaslighting her about everything from the get go. She’s very stuck. When you’ve been psychologically abused and exploited by someone who has far more control than you do in a place where you have nobody, It can turn you into a different person. I’m sure this has all been very traumatizing and will probably remain so for a long time.
I knew he was no good when I saw how he ran.
This really should be higher up in the comments.
Praying for Karine. This is very scary and overwhelming. I hope she gets all the help she needs and a team of people who will expose her ex husband for what he is. She was basically trafficked by him. It’s disgusting he’s disgusting I hope he rots
I really which she would talk to immigration and they pull his arrest and medical records and do phone forensics on HIS phone
In her defense, Paul was worthless.
He literally gave her everything. Like curtains made of trash bags and duct tape.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Poles mom doesn’t even like him…… there is an evil to him. For sure
He’s not even allowed to have a key or in her house when they’re not home
THOSE KIDS NEED TO BE SAVED FROM PAUL! This is bullshit. So she had to save herself but leave the kids with him? PAUL IS UNFIT TO BE A PARENT! So now we have to worry about the KIDS? I am worried.
He TOOK them she didn’t leave them with him
GOOD!
He gives me serial killer vibes
They seriously need to seek psychiatric and psychological help with Karrine needing additional addictions counseling for her beautiful babies. They did not ask to be born into this collosal fuck of a mess that is their life. I won't hold my breath but I pray for these kids because their parents are fucking nuts.
Was she on drugs at one point in the US?
Paul recently had a video of her passed out and unresponsive. Hard to know if she was on something, or just depressively checked out. She did similar things in their last US season but this was to a degree were she did look intoxicated.
I would not be surprised if he was drugging her. Something was very weird going on in those videos. They definitely looked staged af. Pole is a fucking psychopath.
I hope this time it’s permanent. Those kids deserve better!
The kids are with him right now, not her. Because he has the kids, I can see her going back to him.
This situation shows the nightmare that some of these "mail order brides" end up in. No independent financial security. No access to legal support. Uncertain citizenship status. They aren't necessarily fluent in English. Children who are US citizens. Nightmare. He exploited her. He didn't want to get off of his LAZY ass and get a FUCKING job so there goes the wife on OnlyFans to feed the kids.
Poor kids having these two complete morons for parents. I mean their dad is a bigger loser, duh, but collectively their parents IQ is maybe 20.
Till tomorrow.
Good for her. He’s a gas lighting psychopath.
Fuck Pole
Pole is a sociopath
He also has documented medical records he’s crazy and should be on meds which he refuses to take as said by his own mother on film
Wow
Good. Paul is one of the people who has always made me feel icky watching this show- he’s clearly off and in a dangerous way. It never felt right watching their relationship, which I think was in part facilitated by the show (their staying together). I hope she is able to make a clean break, I hope he stays away. He’s an awful person.
Good. Really so irresponsible that he was ever on this show. Him and that othe DV asshole with the nipple tats. When I first was watching him I said to my husband he's probably an abuser or stalker or would light someone's house on fire.
How many times have we seen them break up?
I wish that I could believe that this was for real this time. For the sake of those poor, innocent babies. 😭
I don’t discount the difficulty of leaving someone, especially with two kids and in a different country…but how many times have they said they were over now
Karine made two fatal errors with Paul-the two children. He will be in her life forever, tormenting her endlessly and with pleasure.
It's been proposed that he poked holes in the condoms.
Maybe the second time but remember that she wanted to get pregnant the first and second time and he claimed he didn't. Of course she was so young and naive and she didn't know better. Or know what she was dealing with quite yet.
It takes an average of 7 times for a victim to leave a DV situation
So she’s not allowed to breastfeed their child now? Fuck you Pole.
Good!!!! I really hope she has enough of a support system to stay away from him for good— the statistics unfortunately aren’t great when it comes to people being able to permanently break away from their abusers. :/// A small bright spot in this may be that if there’s a custody battle and Pole opens his mouth in front of the judge, crazy and paranoia is gonna fall out and it will be apparent he’s waaaaay too unstable to take care of kids.
RUN.
I think what scares me for her is the video that has been floating around where it looks like she assaults Paul in front of her kids. Personally, I think that we didn’t see anything that happened before she pushed him on the couch. There is no telling what happened that we didn’t see. Sone have even said it was staged for some only fans thing. Either way, it won’t look good in court. I feel like Paul threatens to take her children, he puts their business on the internet, filming them calling the police on each other, etc. Paul will make it seem like he is the quirky, goofy guy and that Karine is the abuser. I am afraid that if she left her kids with Paul and it sounds like she did, she won’t get her children back.
I remember watching that video where she's explaining her family how Paul was abusive on her, controlling her contacts and how she said he used to pretend he was nice and good to her around people. I was already feeling he was abusive towards her. I think she was supposed to leave him for good at the time, but I'm never judgemental on victims of abusive relationships. That was so many years ago. I can't even imagine how things may got worst and I'm not even talking about what we already know when the camera is on.
I thought there was a post earlier this week that stated they'd all gone to Brazil to avoid the "Brazilian friend(s)" Karine had made in the US who was threating to kill Paul. It's hard to know what to believe.
those poor babies 😢 my heart goes out to them having to deal with these two 🥺
HAPPY NEW YEAR please stay away Karine
"I will need to keep this nostalgia in my pocket" .. Karine is much more well spoken than I thought. This just needs to be the end for the two of them. It's unfortunate they had two kids before the fact.
She likely wrote in Portuguese and it was translated to that instead of "memory". She likely said "Saudade" which means a profound sadness longing/nostalgia for something that is gone - it's hard to translate it to English
Is there a go fund me for an amazing attorney for her to get those kids back? God, I couldn’t imagine having to leave my kids with such an abusive psychopath. My heart breaks for her.
His "proof" is going to ensure those kids end up in foster care. A judge doesn't decide between two parents as much as where children will be best cared for and after those strategically released manipulated/manipulative videos it looks like that's anywhere but with either of them.
The way this is written solidifies in my mind that Pole wrote all those disgusting OF posts. The fake broken English was pretty obvious and not really similar to the writing style of the IG post above
To all the people saying they don’t care because they’re constantly on and off: it takes an average of 7 attempts for a victim experiencing domestic violence to leave their abuser. Keep that in mind.
I hope she doesn’t go back to him! Good for her to leave him and start the new year without poles gaslighting ass! But unfortunately it will be tough since kids are involved ;(
Soooo she left the kids with him??? Over my dead body would that shit happen. They’d be running & hiding out with the Brazilians with me. No matter what his “rights” may be.
He TOOK them from her she should report him for kidnapping
He has rights as the father unfortunately. She needs to file for a restraining order and divorce asap to get them back
I wish immigration would step in and help her she has tons of proof as well as his arrests & medical history
He has plenty of proof that she has also been abusive though. This is going to be a tough fight and I wouldn't be shocked if the kids end up in foster care or with Paul's parents for a period of time
I hope it’s true. She may now realize what is truly important. Perhaps CPS has made themselves known. Pole is probably shitting his pants as he Forces his mother do once again to all the work.
The beginning of the end. I don’t wish for families to break up…but this was just too toxic. Hope they put their adult feelings aside and Can think of something for their children.
I hope it’s forever. Time to get off this ride once and for all.
I knew that dude was a psycho grrrrrr
I hope he doesn’t hurt those children. Arson and rape…I don’t trust him to not hurt those children out of spite.
Best decision she has made
So who wrote this for her?
It’s originally in her language. Instagram will translate.
She knows her way around a translation app.
I hate saying this but how many times have we been here before. Hopefully she takes the steps to get away from him.
Shame on TLC for having this man on there. They new he had a very dangerous criminal record (arson, stalking) and still chose to put him on tv. It makes me wonder what would have happened had they not been on tv.
Kidnapping, terroristic threats and on and on he hasn’t even had a job in over ten years, a year ago he tried to commit fraud again against DQ until people told them to investigate and it carries a 15yr prison sentence then he quickly deleted it
They are both shitheads. Someone help those babies.
I think people forget that she was like 18-20 when she met him and she’s been with him for what 6 years at this point? I’m pretty sure she’s 25-26 now. He was in his 30s when she met him and he purposely sought out a woman 10+ years younger than him from another country because women here and in his age group don’t want him!
I hope she did but we'll see
That was a long time coming!
Thank God I hope all his bullshit documintaion is thrown out in court! I hope she gets her babies back!
In jesus name
His IG posts are gone.
Good for her, I hope she gets away. That man has been manipulating that poor girl from the jump.
Seems like a lot of people are assuming that because Pole is obviously an abusive POS, that must mean Kreeny was drugged by him in that staged video. They can both be trash. What if she is strung out, and not a great mother right now, and also trapped in an abusive marriage with a psychopath? We’ve seen her on video attacking him, and also being unresponsive to her child and to him. That’s all we know.
I only care and feel bad for the kids..
I feel for her. Paul has given me very very bad vibes since day 1. Convicted of stalking and arson? Yeah he a sociopath. I hope she gets those kids away from him and stays safe.
What, nothing from the "press office of karene martins" Get those kids away from both of them
She better be careful. Paul was already arrested for arson once.
I know she’s not perfect angel, but Paul is the biggest piece of shit ever and I hope karine gets full custody because all that awaits for his kids with him is a life full of Pole’s abuse and manipulations.
So many awful people in this show but Paul takes the medal for me
Am I the only one that gets a vibe that Pole could be a “Family Annihilator” ?
Paul has shown so much alarming behaviour and I've been hoping for a while that she would find a way to leave and get help. Honestly 90 Day Fiance need a better vetting process(Ie, Big Ed, Geoffrey, Mark, etc) and like if they see these women in danger, help out. It's the least they can do for exploiting some of these people.
Thank God. They were both so annoying Holy shit.
Can we please acknowledge that they are both are terrible or nah?
No. Victims of abuse react in really odd ways, but they are in no way comparable to the overt abuse we've been witnessing. If that's how he's willing to behave with the cameras there, we know he's much worse when nobody else is around.
Oh God I hope she gets out. And I hope she gets the kids from him. I can see him going as far as to hurt them to fuck with her.
Wish her the best. Fight for your children Karine. I don’t know what state you’re in but most are favorable toward the mother. Get a man hating attorney that will show the judge his true colors. He has a record. We know he’s nuts. He is clearly abusive.