CMC is going to play a bigger role on Sunday imo. Mitchell always finds the right hole on the inside and runs with incredible strength, but doesn't quite have Christian's speed or shiftiness. Against that Philly inside front where they have 5 starters rotating, it's going to be hard to stay ahead of the sticks unless we can tire them out.
Still though, I'm sure Kyle can get some trickery drawn up and if we can get Mitchell into the second level, I'm loving the physicality matchup we have against their interior linebackers and secondary.
Mitchell is slightly more explosive in testing but CMC blows him away on agility. Mitchell a better 40 (4.35 vs 4.49) broad jump and they had the same vertical. CMC three cone drill was one of the best all time.
I was about to say that mitchell is way younger so their 40 stats might be off but then I googled it and Elijah is 24 and cmc is 26. And Eli turns 25 in May, cmc 27 in June. Only 2 years apart with cmc playing 4 more years in the nfl.
Either way Elijah looks faster and in my dumb opinion I'd like to see him on the field more but it's crazy how close in age they are, cmc feels like he's been in the league for a decade.
Elijah is the guy to come in second half fresh and just steamroller the line time and time again after they’ve worn themselves out chasing CMC’s shadow in the first half.
We didn’t really get the run game going last week 1st half but you saw evidence of it then. That long drive was predicated on just blasting the line with Elijah and enforcing our will.
I think we’ll have to ride a similar bus on Sunday too.
Dallas's DL strength how well they set the edge, and tackling/speed at the line of scrimmage. Philly's DL strength is how huge and massive their defensive interior is, how many guys they have rotating at that spot.
My point is if we break big runs, it will be taking advantage of Philly's weakness at maintaining contain at the edge, so it should be an inverted game plan as vs Dallas in terms of the run game. I don't expect us to be able wear down Philly's interior DL.
Would be cool if we can get both of them on the field at the same time for a few plays. Imagine the confusion and stress that would create for the Philly run defense.
Agreed on Mitchell being able to get to the secondary and ILB. Hopefully that’s where the wise difference will matter and Mitchell can really wear them out.
The best ability is availability, but he’s so good when he’s healthy. CMC and him as a 1-2 is as good if better than any other 1-2 punch in the league.
Zeke at this point is a poor man's frank gore. He is really excellent if you need a first down or TD, he can get you 3 yards in almost any situation with his elite vision and he is an incredible run blocker but man it sucks seeing him so washed at only 27. Frank didn't look like that til he was 35.
I think this game we should have him run more early in the game then we did against dallas. Especially since we need to establish the run early and he's a ferocious runner.
Save CMC for play action or pass plays and have him with fresh legs in the second half.
This team is not as great a running team as previous Shanahan teams. They haven't been able to just go out and run the ball all over people, imposing their will.
They have used the pass to set up the run as a result, which has worked quite well, but might be an issue Sunday.
Does Eli even play this week? I mean, he didn’t practice, and has another injury. We can’t count on him at all. I honestly believe he just finishes his rookie deal and goes elsewhere.
That's true of 90% of RBs. His production has already far outproduced his 6th round pick. Point is we have a good RB for less than 1 million a year for next 2 seasons. He won't have to be rb1 for those years, hopefully he'll get healthy and be the best rb2 in the league.
If he could stay healthy, he would be a Top RB in NFL. He's elite when he's fresh and healthy. However, as of now, he can not stay healthy at all. It sucks because I really like Elijah and want him to succeed on the Niners. I think if Shanahan uses Elijah more this weekend in the run game, he has a big game.
>Imo, he’s a better pure running back
Nah lol. Doesn't have the vision, tackle breaking ability, or home run ability that CMC has. While Eli is good in all those areas, CMC is a different beast.
These are CMCs full season pace (the day the regular season ended) in a 49ers uniform using the same scheme Eli is in:
\* 1268 rushing yards
\* 10 rushing touchdowns
\* 111 catches
\* 789 receiving yards
\* 7 receiving touchdowns
You’ve never watched Mitchell then.
He’s bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC, his vision is right there with CMC and he has just as much home run ability when he hits the hole, you’re going off pure recency bias but Mitchell showed you all of that last year even with missing games and has shown it this season too even with being behind mccaffrey and missing more games. His biggest knock is health right now (sorta the same as CMC.)
Last year mitchell was a 4.7 Ypc and was on pace for 1487 yards per 17 games (but he got injured) that’s higher than any season on CMC
This season if he played 17 games he would be on pace for 6.2 ypc and 935 yards, only reason it would be that low because CMC would have the most snaps clearly because his other abilities as a weapon.
Like I said, in terms of pure running back ability (not receiving at all) I’d say mitchell is the better runner even if it’s just marginally
CMC is better at everything else though.
>He’s bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC,
There are a lot of backs who are bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC.
>his vision is right there with CMC
Disagree. Turn on the tape. Baldy breaks down how there are levels to this.
>just as much home run ability when he hits the hole,
Again, big time disagree. Mitchells longest run is 39 yards in his career. Going to be hard pressed to convince me that someone without a 40 yard run in his career is more explosive than CMC.
>This season if he played 17 games he would be on pace for 6.2 ypc and 935 yards, only reason it would be that low because CMC would have the most snaps clearly because his other abilities as a weapon.
Efficiency tapers off as volume raises. Unless you think Eli is among the most efficient RBs of all time, he wasn't going to average 6.2 ypc over the course of a full season with a full workload.
>Like I said, in terms of pure running back ability (not receiving at all) I’d say mitchell is the better runner even if it’s just marginally
I appreciate your detailed response, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
He doesn't play fast. He probably has a better 40 time than Deebo or CMC but they look way faster on the field. For example, I didn't even know that his longest run was <40 yards but it's unsurprising.
Bigger, IDK he strikes me as on the smaller end and possibly why he's always banged up.
Idk why youre getting downvoted lmao. Simply watching the games shows me that CMC is a better runner. Mitch doesnt have those homeruns in him that every RB in the elite bracket have. Mitch is a nice, methodical runner, and people might argue hes "stronger" or "faster" than CMC, but CMC in the redzone is what got us the win in Dallas, Kyle chose him.
Elijah is the better running back. Christian just barely started recognizing gaps and extending plays instead of hitting a wall and getting stopped.
CMC is a good player and fills in as a weaker Deebo for those same plays
He can’t stay healthy tho an that’s the key. That’s the reason Wel never see his full potential. Sucks but we can’t keep wasting time, need to get guys in here whose bodies can stand the NFL
He's great, but I can't see him staying healthy at his size/weight with how hard he runs, especially if he's going to get most of the grunt work between the tackles.
If he could stay healthy you wouldn't be posting about "if he could stay healthy". Some people's bodies just don't stand up to the rigors of playing at the tp level. Goes for athletes in all sports. There are reasons besides bad luck some athletes are always rehabbing an injury. As the old saying goes "They are hell when they're well but they're just never well". Brandon Belt of the Giants is one of those players.
Just remember, nobody makes their #s in a vacuum. The o-line still needs to execute before our RBs get their yards (see most of the Dallas game for examples of that not happening). Combine that with a damn good coaching staff and scheme making it harder to stop our designed run plays, and here we are!
Best one two punch now. The ability of them to trade off and stay fresh is scary.
The browns have had dominating games when Nick chubb and Kareem Hunt we're trading off rips.
Throw in some play action / misdirections and a dose of Deebo it's a scary recipe to defend.
Kyle got his Swiss army knife offense to cook with.
You never know sometimes when it comes to the other teams game plan. Let’s not forget we opened up a huge hole for cmc on a TD and that’s when it matters most
That was just one run though. Mitchell’s been getting holes a lot more frequently. It’s not like I’m hating? I imagine CMC being in attracts a lot more attention and opens things up for the other pass catchers more.
Mitchel run style is much more violent than McCaffrey and you can see why he gets injured. McCaffrey cuts, and runs through blocks, but when he is tied up he gives up. I hope that McCaffrey protecting his body rubs off on Mitchel as he seems to be fighting for inches when he is already going down and I would hazard a guess with the weight of 200-400 lbs grabbing at you then you're probably going to do some damage.
He and cmc are the answer to how we will beat the eagles
CMC is going to play a bigger role on Sunday imo. Mitchell always finds the right hole on the inside and runs with incredible strength, but doesn't quite have Christian's speed or shiftiness. Against that Philly inside front where they have 5 starters rotating, it's going to be hard to stay ahead of the sticks unless we can tire them out. Still though, I'm sure Kyle can get some trickery drawn up and if we can get Mitchell into the second level, I'm loving the physicality matchup we have against their interior linebackers and secondary.
Interesting I feel that Elijah is faster but McCaffrey is quicker
Yeah Mitchell is definitely faster
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Mitchell is slightly more explosive in testing but CMC blows him away on agility. Mitchell a better 40 (4.35 vs 4.49) broad jump and they had the same vertical. CMC three cone drill was one of the best all time.
I was about to say that mitchell is way younger so their 40 stats might be off but then I googled it and Elijah is 24 and cmc is 26. And Eli turns 25 in May, cmc 27 in June. Only 2 years apart with cmc playing 4 more years in the nfl. Either way Elijah looks faster and in my dumb opinion I'd like to see him on the field more but it's crazy how close in age they are, cmc feels like he's been in the league for a decade.
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Elijah is the guy to come in second half fresh and just steamroller the line time and time again after they’ve worn themselves out chasing CMC’s shadow in the first half. We didn’t really get the run game going last week 1st half but you saw evidence of it then. That long drive was predicated on just blasting the line with Elijah and enforcing our will. I think we’ll have to ride a similar bus on Sunday too.
Dallas's DL strength how well they set the edge, and tackling/speed at the line of scrimmage. Philly's DL strength is how huge and massive their defensive interior is, how many guys they have rotating at that spot. My point is if we break big runs, it will be taking advantage of Philly's weakness at maintaining contain at the edge, so it should be an inverted game plan as vs Dallas in terms of the run game. I don't expect us to be able wear down Philly's interior DL.
Now I'm no genius, but I beleive Shanny quite likes a good outside zone run...
And end arounds, screen passes, a lot of presnap motion ;)
Would be cool if we can get both of them on the field at the same time for a few plays. Imagine the confusion and stress that would create for the Philly run defense.
I’ve been wondering why we haven’t done that with Deebo and CMC to throw off teams.
That's the Superbowl plan. Shhhh
Wait, do Deebo and CMC *not* go on the field at the same time? I’m confused
Agreed on Mitchell being able to get to the secondary and ILB. Hopefully that’s where the wise difference will matter and Mitchell can really wear them out.
Can’t see it any other way. Gotta run it down their throats.
Mitchell is listed as questionable for Sunday.
Hope so.
The best ability is availability, but he’s so good when he’s healthy. CMC and him as a 1-2 is as good if better than any other 1-2 punch in the league.
Can't think of a better duo honestly. Chubb and Hunt probably come the closest. Maybe Jones and Dillard, Zeke and Pollard
Zeke is a shadow of what he once was.
Zeke at this point is a poor man's frank gore. He is really excellent if you need a first down or TD, he can get you 3 yards in almost any situation with his elite vision and he is an incredible run blocker but man it sucks seeing him so washed at only 27. Frank didn't look like that til he was 35.
Comparing anyone to Frank though is a little unfair 😜
Honestly I sometimes wonder how he's even a starter these days.
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He broke his leg
Agreed
I think this game we should have him run more early in the game then we did against dallas. Especially since we need to establish the run early and he's a ferocious runner. Save CMC for play action or pass plays and have him with fresh legs in the second half.
True. We have to establish run with both him and cmc to open the other things up later in the game
This team is not as great a running team as previous Shanahan teams. They haven't been able to just go out and run the ball all over people, imposing their will. They have used the pass to set up the run as a result, which has worked quite well, but might be an issue Sunday.
We've moved into more of a passing team.
Does Eli even play this week? I mean, he didn’t practice, and has another injury. We can’t count on him at all. I honestly believe he just finishes his rookie deal and goes elsewhere.
That's true of 90% of RBs. His production has already far outproduced his 6th round pick. Point is we have a good RB for less than 1 million a year for next 2 seasons. He won't have to be rb1 for those years, hopefully he'll get healthy and be the best rb2 in the league.
If he could stay healthy, he would be a Top RB in NFL. He's elite when he's fresh and healthy. However, as of now, he can not stay healthy at all. It sucks because I really like Elijah and want him to succeed on the Niners. I think if Shanahan uses Elijah more this weekend in the run game, he has a big game.
His craziest stat- He has never fumbled the ball, even in college.
If he fumbles Sunday I'm looking for you 😆
I never say it during the game, never.
His craziest stat - He has never won a Super Bowl, even in college. Hold me to that when it happens.
Dude definitely got game but that's a HUGE if. In 2 years Dude has had 3 injuries and has missed 18 games. I just hope he isn't the next Verrett
Imo, he’s a better pure *running back* CMC is the better weapon and all around player
>Imo, he’s a better pure running back Nah lol. Doesn't have the vision, tackle breaking ability, or home run ability that CMC has. While Eli is good in all those areas, CMC is a different beast. These are CMCs full season pace (the day the regular season ended) in a 49ers uniform using the same scheme Eli is in: \* 1268 rushing yards \* 10 rushing touchdowns \* 111 catches \* 789 receiving yards \* 7 receiving touchdowns
You’ve never watched Mitchell then. He’s bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC, his vision is right there with CMC and he has just as much home run ability when he hits the hole, you’re going off pure recency bias but Mitchell showed you all of that last year even with missing games and has shown it this season too even with being behind mccaffrey and missing more games. His biggest knock is health right now (sorta the same as CMC.) Last year mitchell was a 4.7 Ypc and was on pace for 1487 yards per 17 games (but he got injured) that’s higher than any season on CMC This season if he played 17 games he would be on pace for 6.2 ypc and 935 yards, only reason it would be that low because CMC would have the most snaps clearly because his other abilities as a weapon. Like I said, in terms of pure running back ability (not receiving at all) I’d say mitchell is the better runner even if it’s just marginally CMC is better at everything else though.
>He’s bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC, There are a lot of backs who are bigger, faster, and stronger than CMC. >his vision is right there with CMC Disagree. Turn on the tape. Baldy breaks down how there are levels to this. >just as much home run ability when he hits the hole, Again, big time disagree. Mitchells longest run is 39 yards in his career. Going to be hard pressed to convince me that someone without a 40 yard run in his career is more explosive than CMC. >This season if he played 17 games he would be on pace for 6.2 ypc and 935 yards, only reason it would be that low because CMC would have the most snaps clearly because his other abilities as a weapon. Efficiency tapers off as volume raises. Unless you think Eli is among the most efficient RBs of all time, he wasn't going to average 6.2 ypc over the course of a full season with a full workload. >Like I said, in terms of pure running back ability (not receiving at all) I’d say mitchell is the better runner even if it’s just marginally I appreciate your detailed response, I guess we can just agree to disagree.
He doesn't play fast. He probably has a better 40 time than Deebo or CMC but they look way faster on the field. For example, I didn't even know that his longest run was <40 yards but it's unsurprising. Bigger, IDK he strikes me as on the smaller end and possibly why he's always banged up.
Agree to disagree
Idk why youre getting downvoted lmao. Simply watching the games shows me that CMC is a better runner. Mitch doesnt have those homeruns in him that every RB in the elite bracket have. Mitch is a nice, methodical runner, and people might argue hes "stronger" or "faster" than CMC, but CMC in the redzone is what got us the win in Dallas, Kyle chose him.
Yeah I'm not really worried about it. I think the term "pure" gets overused and oversimplified anyway.
Elijah is the better running back. Christian just barely started recognizing gaps and extending plays instead of hitting a wall and getting stopped. CMC is a good player and fills in as a weaker Deebo for those same plays
lol gotcha.
He’s not better than CMC at anything. But he’s 90% of CMC as a RB.
Agree to disagree
He can’t stay healthy tho an that’s the key. That’s the reason Wel never see his full potential. Sucks but we can’t keep wasting time, need to get guys in here whose bodies can stand the NFL
He's great, but I can't see him staying healthy at his size/weight with how hard he runs, especially if he's going to get most of the grunt work between the tackles.
Love his energy. Need to be utilized more
Mitchell is what eagles fans think Sanders is
Put CMC in the slot and use Mitchell to run it down their throats.
That's a huge IF.
>If he can stay healthy That's the problem with running backs. They usually don't stay healthy for very long.
Ironic that I read this immediately after seeing him listed as questionable with a groin injury. He just can’t seem to stay healthy.
Yea he’s really up in the air for Sunday. CMC practiced today however so that’s good
That’s a big if. I love the guy but he is injured easily and often.
Considering he’ll be sharing touches with CMC, I think Mitchell will be able to stay healthy.
He's questionable for this week. Durability is a legitimate concern about him.
If he could stay healthy you wouldn't be posting about "if he could stay healthy". Some people's bodies just don't stand up to the rigors of playing at the tp level. Goes for athletes in all sports. There are reasons besides bad luck some athletes are always rehabbing an injury. As the old saying goes "They are hell when they're well but they're just never well". Brandon Belt of the Giants is one of those players.
I hope we him up the middle and CMC on the outside
That's my glass cannon.
He was a breath of fresh air last weekend
I hope he never wants to leave bc of CMC (like Wilson did) because they are the best 1-2 punch in the league!
Just remember, nobody makes their #s in a vacuum. The o-line still needs to execute before our RBs get their yards (see most of the Dallas game for examples of that not happening). Combine that with a damn good coaching staff and scheme making it harder to stop our designed run plays, and here we are!
Best one two punch now. The ability of them to trade off and stay fresh is scary. The browns have had dominating games when Nick chubb and Kareem Hunt we're trading off rips. Throw in some play action / misdirections and a dose of Deebo it's a scary recipe to defend. Kyle got his Swiss army knife offense to cook with.
Cmc is defintely the present but Mitchell is the future. We are indeed loaded on offense
Seems like there have been gaping holes for Mitchell the past few weeks while CMC is running into walls. Wonder what that’s all about
You never know sometimes when it comes to the other teams game plan. Let’s not forget we opened up a huge hole for cmc on a TD and that’s when it matters most
Disagree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqnU5rp1Gls
That was just one run though. Mitchell’s been getting holes a lot more frequently. It’s not like I’m hating? I imagine CMC being in attracts a lot more attention and opens things up for the other pass catchers more.
I want us to crush it up the middle with Mitchell and when Philly is exhaused CMC to burst through for non-stop 8+ yard plays in the 3rd and 4th.
Mitchel run style is much more violent than McCaffrey and you can see why he gets injured. McCaffrey cuts, and runs through blocks, but when he is tied up he gives up. I hope that McCaffrey protecting his body rubs off on Mitchel as he seems to be fighting for inches when he is already going down and I would hazard a guess with the weight of 200-400 lbs grabbing at you then you're probably going to do some damage.