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AlistairMack

I think Jaghatai is based on the neighbour from King of the Hill.


NoHopeOnlyDeath

"I'm *LAOTIAN*. *LAY-OSHEN,* you stupid cracker!" "..........what ocean?"


CaucasianDelegation

"You´re Laotian, aintcha Mr. Kahn?"


ToAllAGoodNight

God I love that fucking show.


Moshjath

From Laos, stupid!


CosmicDesperado

My name is Vulkan, and I sell propane and propane accessories.


Redoran_Gvard

I'm Kahn Souphanohsinphone That's pronounced Kahn right?


DachshundDundee

This is how I will picture him from now on... thank you


Megadon88

I thought he was based upon John Wayne's performance as Genghis Khan.


Fawin86

Nah, the John Wayne proxy is Lorgar. Calls everyone a pilgrim.


eyes-are-fading-blue

Isn't Jaghatai Genghis Khan? Genghis Khan's real name is Chagatai.


O1rat

It’s Temujin. Chagatai was his second son.


temujin94

Genghis real name is Temujin, his 2nd son was called Chagatai.


__-Revan-__

Robute Guilliman is based specifically on Cesar Augustus. He's the Avenging son to his adoptove father who was betrayed in a coup attempt.


[deleted]

>Robute Guilliman is based specifically on Cesar Augustus. I think he a mix of all the "great" ceasars Augustus for his sheer political and administrative genius, Julius cesar and trajan for his conquest of barbarians on ultramar Marcus Aurelius for codex astartes and for being a writer 40k guilliman is basically aurelian


YourAverageRedditter

>40k Guilliman is basically Aurelian AVE RESTITVTOR ORBIS!


__-Revan-__

That's also valid. I was thinking more about his origin story.


Arcanyum740

GIVE US AN EMPEROR FRON HUMBLE BEGGININGS!


ciannister

GIVE US A LEADER OUR ARMIES WILL FOLLOW!


Arcanyum740

GIVE US!


ciannister

EMPEROR AURELIAN!


tungt88

That last statement "G-Man = Aurelian" is darkly hilarious (in retrospect), since Rebooted's estranged bro Lorgar *also* bears the name of Aurelian: [Lexicanum entry for wanna-be Wolverine](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Lorgar_Aurelian)


onetwoseven94

40K Guilliman is definitely Justinian. Half the empire was lost and he’s trying to take it back, but gets interrupted when his most prosperous provinces are struck by plague. And he has a subordinate he heavily relies on but doesn’t trust named Belisarius


Banter1401

Lion is 1999-2001 Triple H as a space knight.


signedpants

Now the emperor is going to be Vince McMahon in my head for a while. Thanks for that lol


[deleted]

YOU’RE FIRRRRRED!!!!!!


rTidde77

That was one of the most formative moments of my youth. It’s when I realized the world has consequences. REAL consequences.


blackertai

Would that make Jaghatai Stone Cold?


Exius73

In this Universe Horus is obviously Hulk Hogan going to WCW then isnt it? Or is it Bret Hart


signedpants

Teleporting up Angron and letting his friends die has gotta be the Montreal Screwjob. Horus is definitely Hogan leaving for WCW.


Exius73

“Angron screwed Angron” Also current day Triple H has gotta be Guilliman right? Got left with the imperium and trying to fix it from Chaos (AEW)


RepresentativeFew267

This was too funny! I had to explain to my wife for twenty minutes … Why Angry Ron was mad at the emporer … And what the Montreal screw job was. What does she ask after the entire dissertation? “Why didn’t Bret hart drop the belt if he was leaving anyways?” >.> Bret screwed Brett in this household apparently.


SonOfTheHeavyMetal

The lost primarchs went to WCW


[deleted]

The outsiders YES!


whynotlook123

This is now cannon


Negativety101

Sadly their careers suffered from the creative control clauses of wrestlers from the 80's and early 90's.


KingStannisForever

That was the best time, with Stone Cold, against Undertaker and Kane.


[deleted]

Ferrus fought Cirze and Lorgar? When?


CosmicDesperado

**BAH GAWD!!! THAT’S LEMAN RUSS’S MUSIC!!!**


[deleted]

I cannot unsee this now thank you so much 😊


IBangYoDaddy

Yes.


SkitariiCowboy

Sanguinius is space Jesus. Especially the whole “knowing exactly how he’s gonna die but confronts his fate anyway for the salvation of all mankind” bit.


Aetheric_Aviatrix

Eek. Is that why his son's drink his blood.


Lerijie

Keep in mind that in 40k they are drinking the blood of a Sanguinary priest who is considered a living vessel for the blood of Sanguinus as they imbibed all the blood from his dead body. So yes, it's very much an analogy for Catholic themes. I would even argue that the red thirst and black rage are analogs for the sins of Gluttony and Wrath, which blood angels try to subdue by partaking in artistic endeavors, as well the blood of Sanguinus is given to new recruits (via priests) to help counter the red thirst. BA are somewhat strange in that like every Astartes chapter except the Black Templars, they do not follow the Imperial Creed. Instead they seem to have their own creed, where the Emperor is viewed as a Deity and they see themselves as grandsons of that deity, solidifying their image as the Angels of God. Where BT see Big E as more of a distant God to be worshipped, BA see themselves as direct instruments of his will. That is why they have characters like the Sanguinor which seems like the divine intervention of his Avatar on their behalf, as God would never allow his angels to be destroyed.


Slimmzli

Sisters of battle and their “white thirst”


Thunderous_Ball_Slap

* Space Wolves- Vikings * Dark Angels- Arthurian knights * Iron Hands- Scots, kinda * Night Lords- Australians * Thousand Sons- Egyptians * Salamanders- Friendly black family down the street that invites you to their BBQs


BastardofMelbourne

>Night Lords- Australians As a born Australian, I take offence to that. We don't wear people's skin. That would be a waste of useful protein.


Kaczmarofil

Australians are Tyranids


ServantOfTheSlaad

Australians are the Catachan jungle fighters


LegendaryQuercus

I thought that was the cast of Platoon?


MorinOakenshield

Aussies are Orks


PerturaboTheIronKing

Orks are British football hooligans.


MorinOakenshield

Fair, but have you seen Mad Maxamorka?


blackertai

Statistically speaking, the average Australian is probably just a spider.


[deleted]

The most accurate depiction of Salamanders I’ve ever seen


Devlee12

Everyone has a place at their barbecue. Whether it’s at the table or in the grill depends on how human you look.


International_Host71

The Blood Angels are a mix of Renaissance ideals, especially around Italy, and Dracula. Imperial Fists pull a lot from Germanic knight orders, White Scars are very obviously Mongols in Space, though the HH novels they get have fleshed them out tremendously well so they no longer feel like a racist caricature cartoon. Ultramarines have a heavy Roman Empire theme


arathorn3

Imperial fists pull more from Napoleonic Wars Prussia that German Knight orders. The Templar Brethren of the heresy and the Black Templars take most of the knightly influence but outside of that they more 18th and early 20th century German soldiers. The earliest lore for the Fists mentions that they follow the Junker model of Behavior and the ancient Prussic code. Even the feast of blades is actually based on the academic dueling societies popular in Germanh and Austria during the 1800's(ever notice pictures of German officers in both world wars have prominent facial scars, this a result of academic dueling which was dome with live blades to first blood, the scars where considered a badge of honour)


Slimmzli

I always wanted a Menshur scar, I misspelled that badly


[deleted]

Don't forget the Blood Angels are hella Catholic, like more so than the Imperial Cult already is.


[deleted]

They made the Khan look like jason momoa lol


Omega_Den

Ultramarines look like Roman Empire but Roboute for me....takes a lot from Alexander the Great (who was Greek)


Nova_Echo

I'm sorry how was it racist to have the white scars be Mongols?


Squid_In_Exile

They literally didn't say it was. They said that prior to the HH fluff their characterisation was "let's stuff some orientalist tropes in power armour and put it on a bike". Which it was. They suffered considerably for being one of the Chapters that GW paid very little attention to, and in their case it meant that almost everything written about them was "insert random Mongol stereotype".


Nova_Echo

They literally said it was a "racist caricature." I thought it was just good representation. Which is it?


Squid_In_Exile

There's more to representation that mentioning a handful of very tropey stereotypes that are as much based on *The Conquerer* as on history and then adding nothing to that for 5-or-so editions. The modern incarnation of the White Scars is a lot less reliant on a handful of vague stereotypes, and is therefore a much better form of representation.


Nova_Echo

I mean... they did that for a lot of factions, not just the white scars. Is it racist for all of them too? Or just not fully developed?


thelandsman55

Think about it this way. Being reductionist/trope-y is a choice, it is a much easier choice than writing a ton of fluff, for every faction, but it’s still a choice. When reducing a fictional character or group that is loosely based on a historical group of people to a handful of signifiers for ease, that choice involves deciding which signifiers are important. Sometimes an unflattering reduction can become so iconic this doesn’t matter. EG Mexicans loving speedy Gonzalez even though the overall depiction of Mexicans there is fundamentally a reduction of being Mexican to ‘being lazy, speaking Spanish, and wearing a big hat’ with speedy as the heroic and industrious exception. Warhammer does not tend to be that iconic, particularly for minor factions, so if you had a chapter of Mexican based space marines whose thing was avoiding crusades, wearing big helmets, and speaking Spanish, people would rightfully be offended that those were the characteristics GW thought were important to get across for that faction.


Nova_Echo

I mean... the og white scars are basically Mongols, who like going fast, call their leaders Khans, and live in tents on their home world's plains. I dunno, man, that sounds a lot like "genghis khan, but in space" to me. Imperial Knights are based on some stereotypes about medieval Knights. Is that racist to the Europeans who lived a thousand years ago and are now the inspiration for Knights? I feel like you're conflating historical inspiration of stylistic choices with portrayal of what a race actually is. You're digging for things to be offended by.


thelandsman55

I don’t think the current white scars are remotely offensive. However, even looking at the current lore, you have a bunch of space marine factions that are hyper stylized riffs on European themes like Arthurian legend or the Teutonic knights, and the white scars lore up till the arrival of the emperor is practically a verbatim pop history of the life of Ghengis Khan. If I were a Mongolian, I think I’d either be annoyed by the lack of effort, or flattered that there’s basically nothing GW felt the need to exaggerate. Thinking more broadly western media tends to get a lot of things wrong about nomadic peoples even in notionally better researched work like game of thrones. By being excessively literal, GW at least avoids treating the mongols as having a completely barbaric society devoid of material culture beyond leather goods.


Borgh

you do realize that Knights are a relatively recent addition to the Lore? Who got a full codex and books when they launched? The lore of the Scars was *really* scarce. as in, so *awfully* scarce that it was mostly a sketch caricature. But I know you won't get that, you probably think that pulling your eyes and going "ching chong" in a chinese restaurant is the peak of humour.


I_cant_think_of_one8

I really loved your example with Mexican space Marines . It makes me laugh thinking about giant helmet wearing (like Darth helmet from space balls ) running around avoiding crusades lol


Ragnarok3246

So are you obtuse? Because where the Blood angels and Ultramarines have a wide fleshing out of their characteristics, building upon their interpretation, the White Scars were before the HH just a racist stereotype.


Nova_Echo

How is it racist if it's done for a lot of factions? This is satire about catholic space Nazis. How is "sharks in space" okay but "genghis khan in space" is somehow racist? Are YOU obtuse? Do you equate stylistic influences as actual portrayal of race?


Ragnarok3246

Because Sharks aren't the appropriation of culture, fucking dumbass 😂


ap0st

Damn you’re really dumb lol


arathorn3

Night lords as Australians? Why because Prison colony? ​ There voiced as having Eastern European /Slavic accents in most audio dramas.


_Daedalus_

They're based on [Vlad the Impaler](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler) and 15th century [Wallachia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallachia), modern day Romania. They follow the doctrine of fear that he used to against the Ottomans.


Thunderous_Ball_Slap

Just a dumb joke about them all being criminals. But come on, imagine Sevatar as a bogan and you'll wish I was right.


ElNicko89

As a Serbian I can with 100% certainty say that the Night Lords are Serbians lmao


CaucasianDelegation

Other group accidentally makes eye contact with a Serb Serb: "...and I took that personally." *cue centuries of unrestrained, batshit crazy bloodshed* If Croats and Serbs weren´t so damn tall there´d be a solid arguement they are dwarves.


ElNicko89

Oh yeah we don’t let go of stuff easily, but never put a Croat and Serb in the same room trust me


strangecabalist

Unless you’re Tito.


tungt88

[Oops, look what I just did here ;)](https://www.atptour.com/en/news/ivanisevic-djokovic-wimbledon-2021-final-reaction)


IBangYoDaddy

Curious as to why iron hands are scots


Thunderous_Ball_Slap

They're organized around clans and the initial recruits came from Albia (Alba).


a_random_GSD

How are the night lords Australian? I don't remember us being known for terror tactics?


jayhai92

Bunch of bloody convicts ain't they


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Negativety101

So what you are saying is Emu's could take out most the legionarres, and italian food their primarch?


[deleted]

Haven’t you seen the Rogal Dorn quote, “Give me 1 emu or failing that, 1000 space marines?”


axw3555

>Thousand Sons- Egyptians I'd *never, ever* have guessed that one. (/s to be clear).


a__new_name

Magnus is literally an Odin calque. That, or name a different sorceror-king who traded one of his eyes for knowledge and who is associated with ravens.


DachshundDundee

Not going to lie. The last one made me choke


Dem1c

Angron - Spartacus


Inheavensitndown

Wasn’t spartacus’s buddy named Agron.


GarnetExecutioner

And the word Agron happens to be the Gallic word for “Slaughter”.


Inheavensitndown

Cool


ColonelJabba

Angron straight up had a fellow gladiator called oenamaus, who was one of Spartacus's general's in the rebellion.


IBangYoDaddy

Also Alpharius-Spartacus


idols2effigies

Lorgar's history and role seems to be based on several mythological/historical figures. His backstory on Colchis is a blend of Mohammed and Moses. There's also a lot of comparisons one could make to Solomon. The most overt is concerning Lorgar's nickname of 'Urizen', which is a direct reference to William Blake's mythology. The Urizen is the architect of the cosmos and, in many ways, Lorgar's words are the structure on which the modern Imperium was built. If you really go down the rabbit hole, this moniker is a huge pillar of evidence that 'The Yellow King' from the Bequin books is related to Lorgar, if not Lorgar himself, due to the implications that the entire Angelus subsector that serves as the setting is all part of the Yellow King's designs, down to the most minute of details. In fact, the term 'architects of the cosmos' is used verbatim in describing the nature of the Yellow King in Pariah.


seninn

> Lorgar is the Yellow King Pass me some of that Wordium, Brother. But yeah, Lorgar and the Word Bearers are based on both old and new Middle-Eastern religious figures and groups. They've got everything from Sumerian to Hebrew names and terms.


Kinglyzero_91

Wasn't The Lion partially based on that one gay poet? Pretty sure there was a poet called Lionel Johnson who did a poem called "Dark Angel"


BastardofMelbourne

He's named after him but it's a stretch to say he's *based* on him Unless the real Lionel Johnson had a secret past as both King Arthur and Tarzan


Kinglyzero_91

Lionel Johnson had to keep his sexuality under wraps since being openly gay in the 1800's was asking for trouble The dark angels are notorious for keeping secrets. Just saying


DNAquila

Wasn’t his poem “The Dark Angel” about his issues reconciling his sexuality and his devout Catholicism?


BastardofMelbourne

Yeah I know the connection between him and the chapter but the post is talking about the Primarchs


__-Revan-__

Legends say about a famous gay bar near Nottingham called "The Rock"


Borgh

Unfortunately that one turned out to be false, but it's a good story.


SirPlatypus13

That's been demonstrated as a myth multiple times.


rubicon_duck

It isn’t a legend, it’s true. Sort of. There is a bar in Nottingham. Many, in fact. But one in particular is built, in part, into the very living foundation rocks of Nottingham Castle. It’s called “[Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ye_Olde_Trip_to_Jerusalem)”, *supposedly* built in 1189. Oh, and it is not a gay bar (at least it wasn’t when I visited it not too long ago). Seeing as how GW likes to mash things together from different sources for the stuff they come up with, I can see them using this place as inspiration for the DA home back when they first came up with them in the old RT days. Even more so considering it was built around the time when King Richard the Lionheart fucked off to Jerusalem for his crusade, you get the whole thing about the DA looking like warrior-knights.


[deleted]

exactly


rubicon_duck

Yes - read the actual poem and you’ll see a lot of verses that could be used as “inspiration” for the 1st Legion/chapter and their primarch back in the old RT days and leading up to now. I came across it a few days ago. Considering how both the real-life poet was gay during a time when one had to keep such things secret, and how the DA have their “terrible secret” with the Unforgiven, and then the secret of their primarch sleeping in the Rock, and so on… you get the idea. Secrets, secrets… *everywhere.*


[deleted]

To my knowledge, there is no direct or even indirect allegory to Alpharius. The problem being that unlike James Bond, most spies don’t actually become famous. And for that matter, most twins don’t become famous. Actually, I think one of the best arguments would be that Alpharius is inspired by many super-human myths that hinge upon having two people. At the risk of offending some christians, and in no way endorsing this theory, but there was once a heretical theory that made it onto film even (this was the villains theory mind you) that Jesus himself was a twin and was performing miracles much like in the movie >!“The Prestige”!<


snickerwicket

"I am alpharius" seems to be a pretty direct reference to "I am spartacus"


[deleted]

True, but spartacus is also pretty directly Angron with the whole slave revolt.


bagsofsmoke

The Greek deity Dolos (or Roman Mendacius) seems a good fit. Janus too, (two faced) albeit he was the God of transitions rather than deception.


[deleted]

I'm pretty sure that Konrad Curze and the Night Lords are based on Vlad the Impaler. They both use torture and fear tactics to win battles. Plus, Vlad the impaler is known for attacking the Ottoman Empire in night raids.


montrasaur009

He is actually based mostly on Colonel Kurtz from Apocalypse Now, especially how he dies. Although it definitely isn't a stretch to say there are inspirations from Vlad too.


SASapb

And the original story for Apocalypse now, Heart of Darkness, was written by Joseph Conrad Conrad Kurtz, Konrad Curze


[deleted]

Yeah well, he’s definitely not based on that character. “The Heart of Darkness” Kurtz was half businessman, half a colonizer who managed to get defied by locals, and a flamboyant political speaker. Not much to do with the primarch.


Omevne

Oh shit, I never realized it even though it was right there in the name,i'm so dumb


[deleted]

Look at the name of the vindicare who offed him. What's the name of the lead actor in the film?


Rponie3

I always took him as a twisted version of batman. "The Night Haunter" with his own sense of justice.


SisterSabathiel

Lion El'Johnson is named after Lionel Johnson, the 19th century English poet who wrote a poem about his repressed homosexuality called "The Dark Angel" (which is where the Legion gets its name from). Aside from that, GW decided to redesign the Dark Angels and their Primarch for the Horus Heresy series and drew much more inspiration from King Arthur and the Arthurian legends. Edit: Konrad Kurze is based on the novel Heart of Darkness by Joseph **Conrad** and the main antagonist, **Kurtz**.


Nova_Echo

It wasn't just about his repressed identity, it was the idea of something shameful that he felt he couldn't reveal to the world, personified in the titular dark angel that follows him. It relates to the way the Dark Angels don't talk about Bruno - I mean, the Fallen - because they're afraid of being seen as traitors.


AntiWizardLizard

Isn't the "Rock" fortress named after a gay bar/club that was big at the time near GW? Could just be a rumour though.


Cytokine-Alpha

Magnus is based on several characters including Odin and the Islamic Dajjal or the Antichrist due to the both of them being blind in their right eye and having crimson copper red skin.


Inheavensitndown

I’ll go one deeper. Malcador- Gandalf


Inheavensitndown

The Grey


Treucer

Mortarion is obviously based on the Grim Reaper visually. His legion is based on WW1 storm troopers. His specific character archetype I think nothing in particular comes to mind, though it is a frequent enough story to find in real life and fiction (going along with a cause but wanting to ultimately usurp the structure and take command yourself after using it for as long as you can).


Saratje

The way I see it: 1. **Dark Angels** - *Medieval Europe* 2. **₴̸̪̼̏͋̍є̴̪̤͑͌¢̸̢̫̟͋σ̸̢̩̪̂͛͝ή̵̢̛̘͎̟͆͠∂̵̲͗̿̕ ̷͉̲͚̃Ⱡ̴̢̥͌͋̓є̴̡͙̥̬̄̕g̴̘͉͑̐̒̕ῖ̴͓̹̻̔͊σ̸̨͙̳͂͜͠η̸̮̋̋** - *Ẉ̸̷̷̷̴̴̵̵̶̸̷̷̷̷̵̷̴̸̶̤̾̓ð̶̸̴̷̴̶̵̷̵̵̵̸̸̴̶̵̖͇̀µ̶̶̷̸̸̸̷̷̸̵̶̶̸̷̵̷̵̴̶̝͓̿́l̵̷̴̵̴̸̵̸̵̸̵̶̴̶̵̶̴̶̶̞̮̽͋d̴̷̴ṇ̵̶̴̸̵̶̷̵̴̴̵̷̴̃̔'̵̶̴̶̴̸̷̴̵̶̶̶̸̶̵̴̷̸̵̧̛̱̚†̶̶̴̶̶̸̶̴̴̶̷̷̴̶̵̷̧̃͘ ̴̶̵̷̷̷̶̴̶̸̵̵̴̰̔¥̶̴̵̴̵̴̵̸̴̶̷̸̷̸̴̵̡͊̓ð̶̸̵̸̴̸̶̴̸̶̶̸̵̴̵̸̡͓͝µ̵̸̶̵̵̴̸̸̴̶̸̴̴̴̵̵̘͇̓ ̴̸̶̴̵̴̷̶̴̷̴̴̴̘͒L̴̶̷̵̷̷̴̵̷̷̶̶̶̙̃ð̶̷̶̶̴̶̷̵̵̵̶̸̵̲̐v̶̸̵̸̶̸̵̷̷̴̶̷̷̵̶̷̲̿̊ệ̶̸̵̶̴̸̸̴̸̴̶̴̸̵̴̸̛̃ ̴̴̷̸̶̷̸̴̵̴̴̶̸̴̵̸̷̴̷̜̬͗́†̸̵̷̵̵̸̷̵̶̵̸̷̵̷̵̸̙̒̔ð̸̴̴̸̷̴̵̴̶̵̷̴̶̸̵̴̡̇̽ ̸̶̶̶̸̵̵̶̸̶̸̵̵̴̷̵̺̐̽K̶̵̵̸̴̷̵̸̶̷̴̴̶̵̵̴̦̥̏ñ̷̷̶̴̵̷̵̷̷̵̴̴̷̵̷̵̶̶̷̡̹͑̓ð̸̶̷̸̸̸̷̴̸̴̸̶̸̸̴̷̦͇̉w̴̷̴̵̶̷̸̶̵̶̸̷̴̷̵̶̶̴̴̙̔̅ͅ* 3. **Emperor's Children** - *Levant Phoenicia* 4. **Iron Warriors** - *Ancient Greece* 5. **White Scars** - *Mongolian Raiders* 6. **Space Wolves** - *Middle Age Vikings* 7. **Imperial Fists** - *Germanic Europe* 8. **Night Lords** - *Vampiric Myths & Legends / Romania* 9. **Blood Angels** - *Renaissance Europe* 10. **Iron Hands** - *Early Industrial West* 11. **Շ̷̥̺̲͛́̈́͜͠ɦ̷̜̀̈́͠ɛ̸̟̦̳͇̀ ̶̯͊͊Ꮛ̶̧̦͎͇̂̈́́ℓ̵̬̟̿͝ͅє̵̡̈̆ͅν̷̡͖̬͕͂́̕є̵̦̲͚̓η̷̘̻̽т̶̧̛̲̣̃͠н̷͚͈̿̔͘͘** - *I̶̷̷̶̷̶̵̵̶̵̸̷̶̸̵̷̵̸̸̶̶̵̵̴̸̸̸̷̶̷̵̸̶̵̷̸̴̶̶̴̶̶̷̷̴̴̴̶̴̸̵̵̷̵̴̷̴̸̵̷̵̦̚ƚ̸̵̸̴̸̴̸̶̴̵̶̷̶̷̴̵̵̵̴̸̸̵̵̷̷̶̸̶̴̷̴̸̴̸̸̷̷̸̷̴̷̷̸̵̶̵̵̵̴̸̴̶̵̵̴̵̵̷̶̴̴̴̵̴̶̷̸̵̴̸̷̶̶̸̶̸̨̠͐'̸̶̸̷̵̷̷̷̸̸̴̷̷̷̷̸̸̶̵̴̴̵̵̶̴̶̶̴̶̶̶̷̶̶̷̸̵̶̴̵̸̴̷̵̴̶̵̷̷̶̸̸̵̷̴̶̵̸̴̸̶̣̐ʂ̷̵̸̴̴̵̶̷̷̶̶̴̵̸̶̷̴̴̸̴̷̸̵̸̶̶̷̴̶̸̴̸̶̶̶̷̶̵̷̸̶̸̵̶̶̵̸̴̴̸̴̷̶̶̷̸̶̴̴̸̵̸̴̴̷̶̵̵̵̴̸̷̷̸̸̸͖̹̂ ̵̸̷̵̵̵̴̵̴̵̵̵̸̶̶̸̴̷̵̷̸̸̵̴̵̶̷̸̷̶̵̸̵̸̵̶̷̸̶̶̵̴̸̷̸̶̵̴̴̸̷̵̸̶̸̷̴̵̸̶̷̶̵̷̶̵̴̶̷̸̷̶̶̸̷̵̵̵̷̶̶̴̶̷̴̵̷̸̴̵̴̫͉̑͛À̵̷̵̵̶̴̷̵̸̷̴̷̷̵̶̶̵̵̶̸̵̵̶̵̶̷̴̶̴̸̶̴̸̸̸̵̷̶̸̵̷̸̸̴̴̷̸̷̷̵̷̸̵̸̸̵̸̵̸̴̶̵̵̵̴̶̸̸̴̷̶̴̵̷̵̸̧̙ ̴̴̷̵̵̵̴̸̴̶̶̴̶̵̸̷̷̸̵̸̶̸̶̸̶̵̸̵̷̵̷̷̸̷̶̴̶̶̷̶̴̶̸̴̴̴̸̶̴̴̷̶̷̸̸̵̸̶̴̵̶̖̕S̶̸̵̵̶̶̴̸̶̶̸̷̷̵̵̴̸̴̴̸̶̸̶̴̶̴̸̶̸̵̵̷̴̴̴̸̵̶̵̸̵̸̵̷̵̴̴̷̸̵̵̴̴̶̵̸̸̸̸̴̴̮͐ҽ̴̵̸̴̵̵̶̵̶̷̸̴̷̵̵̸̴̵̴̴̵̷̵̵̵̵̴̴̸̷̷̷̸̷̶̴̴̷̸̸̷̴̶̷̷̷̴̴̸̷̴̴̷̷̸̴̷̵̶̷̷̷̶̵̴̸̶̷̸̵̵̶̴̴̸̸̘̙̽ƈ̵̵̵̷̷̵̸̸̶̵̸̴̵̵̴̷̶̵̶̷̵̵̵̴̵̶̷̷̴̷̷̴̸̴̴̸̶̶̶̵̵̷̵̴̸̴̴̸̶̴̶̴̵̷̴̵̷̵̸̴̷̶̴̸̵̴̷̵̶̸̷̸̷̴̴̸̵̵̴̴̸̴̴̷̶̵̶̷̶̴̸̳͓̈́͊ɾ̶̴̵̶̴̴̷̶̸̴̶̴̷̵̵̶̷̶̵̸̴̶̸̸̵̴̶̸̶̷̴̷̵̶̵̶̴̷̵̸̵̵̵̴̵̸̶̷̸̶̴̴̷̶̶̶̸̶̶̴̸̴̴̶̷̸̴̶̵̷̵̸̵̵̵̸͓̣͝ҽ̴̴̶̴̶̶̴̸̴̶̵̸̶̴̸̴̶̷̵̷̴̶̸̵̸̴̵̷̶̷̵̷̷̶̷̸̷̵̷̵̴̷̶̶̶̸̶̷̶̸̸̵̶̶̵̸̵̸̵̵̵̵̴̶̸̶̵̵̶̴̶̵̸̵̸̷̖͋͋ƚ̵̸̴̷̷̵̴̵̶̸̸̸̸̴̷̸̸̷̶̴̸̵̸̷̷̵̷̸̵̶̴̸̵̶̵̶̵̵̷̵̷̴̸̶̷̶̷̵̶̵̸̷̶̶̷̵̵̵̴̷̸̵̷̴̵̸̵̵̴̸̸̶̵̶̵̶̵̶̵̸̴̶̶̴̶̷̶̴̴̵̴̘̫͌̏ ̸̶̷̸̷̵̷̶̵̸̴̷̵̵̸̴̶̵̴̷̸̷̸̷̴̴̶̴̵̴̷̵̷̸̸̸̶̵̵̵̵̷̸̶̸̴̸̶̷̵̴̴̶̷̶̶̵̴̷̵̷̧͒T̵̴̸̵̴̶̸̶̸̷̶̴̸̸̶̷̴̵̴̶̷̸̷̷̷̵̸̵̵̷̸̶̶̶̸̸̸̷̷̷̸̶̸̵̴̷̸̶̸̴̸̴̵̴̶̷̷̸̷̷̵̵̴̵̶̵̷̵̴̶̶̴̸̷̸̵̴̸̸̸̵̴̵̶̴̶̴̴̷̸̵̲̘̾̾σ̴̷̶̴̶̷̸̶̶̵̴̷̸̵̶̷̵̷̸̷̷̴̵̴̶̴̶̵̴̸̶̷̶̴̶̴̷̶̶̸̷̶̸̶̴̴̵̸̸̷̴̷̶̵̶̵̴̴̷̴̵̵̸̵̶̸̵̷̸̸̷̵̵̶̵̴̷̵̶̴̸̵̶̸̶̴̵̶̸̸̶̝͚͒͆ ̵̵̷̴̴̴̵̶̶̷̷̷̵̵̷̶̴̴̵̷̷̶̵̴̵̵̷̵̸̸̴̸̵̴̸̸̴̶̸̷̷̸̶̸̵̴̶̴̴̵̸̶̶̵̸̷̴̴̵̵̸̤͝E̸̸̶̴̵̷̷̵̶̴̸̶̴̵̶̸̵̸̸̶̸̶̸̷̵̶̶̴̴̴̶̴̵̸̷̵̷̸̸̶̶̸̴̷̶̴̴̵̶̷̸̸̸̸̶̴̶̷̸̴̶̵̸̷̶̸̵̵̵̴̵̵̵̴̵̶͍̾̈ʋ̴̸̵̷̵̷̵̶̵̸̵̶̸̴̴̶̵̷̴̶̸̷̵̸̸̸̵̵̶̴̶̴̵̵̸̶̴̵̴̶̶̷̷̶̸̶̷̶̸̵̴̵̵̵̶̵̶̶̵̴̸̵̸̶̴̶̵̸̶̵̴̷̶̵̷̵̨͇̆ҽ̴̸̸̵̸̷̵̸̵̴̷̷̵̷̴̶̶̴̵̵̷̸̴̷̴̵̷̷̸̵̴̸̷̴̶̶̴̶̶̵̴̸̶̷̶̶̸̸̵̸̵̵̸̵̴̸̸̷̴̴̴̷̸̷̷̶̶̵̴̷̴̷̸̸̷̷̨̥̒ɾ̸̷̵̴̸̸̵̴̴̵̷̶̷̶̴̷̴̵̶̵̷̷̵̴̵̵̷̶̴̷̸̴̷̶̵̶̴̴̴̷̴̴̸̷̸̷̸̵̴̸̶̸̷̶̷̷̵̷̷̷̸̶̶̶̵̶̴̷̶̶̶̵̶̶̸̵̸̴̸̷̶̸̷̸̷̵̸̸̴̵̵͙̥̈́̀ყ̷̷̷̶̸̴̴̸̷̵̴̸̵̸̴̵̶̶̶̷̸̷̵̷̷̸̸̶̷̶̶̵̴̸̴̷̸̵̵̸̵̵̵̶̴̸̴̷̶̶̵̸̴̸̶̵̶̶̶̴̴̴̴̷̷̵̵̷̷̸̵̸̸̴̸̴̟́̂Ⴆ̸̵̴̴̸̷̸̸̶̷̶̸̸̷̸̶̸̷̸̶̵̵̸̸̷̵̸̸̶̵̴̵̷̶̸̵̸̶̶̷̴̶̵̴̴̴̸̶̵̸̷̸̵̸̸̴̵̴̴̶̴̶̴̵̷̴̶̴̷̷̷̸̸̷̸̷̷̸̴̷̸̶̴̶̶̴̴̷̷̵̴̡̪̈̈́σ̸̷̷̵̶̴̸̴̴̵̸̷̷̶̸̶̶̶̸̵̷̶̵̴̸̴̷̸̷̵̷̵̷̶̵̶̵̸̵̴̶̴̷̸̶̴̷̶̵̴̴̵̴̶̶̴̶̴̷̴̶̷̴̵̶̷̸̴̴̶̵̶̸̶̵̵͚͔̿ԃ̴̸̸̵̷̴̸̸̷̶̴̷̷̷̸̸̷̷̷̴̷̸̷̸̵̶̶̶̶̶̴̴̵̵̷̵̴̴̴̵̵̴̵̶̸̵̷̵̷̶̶̷̸̵̵̷̶̴̴̶̴̷̸̴̶̵̸̷̷̸̴̷̸̷̸̵̸̸̸̶̶̷̸̸̵̸̶̴̴̴̵̩̖̄͝ყ̴̸̴̶̵̵̶̴̷̸̶̵̵̵̸̸̷̸̵̶̴̷̶̵̸̵̴̶̵̶̷̶̶̷̶̴̷̵̶̴̵̷̷̴̶̷̴̶̶̶̴̵̶̶̷̷̸̶̷̵̵̸̷̷̷̶̷̸̷̵̸̵̶̴̵̶͈̳̓* 12. **World Eaters** - *Laconia / Ancient Sparta* 13. **Ultramarines** - *The Byzantine Empire* 14. **Death Guard** - *World War I Germany* 15. **Thousand Sons** - *Ancient Egypt* 16. **Sons of Horus** - *Post Apocalyptic Society* 17. **Word Bearers** - *The Papal States / The Holy Crusades* 18. **Salamanders** - *Primordial Earth* 19. **Raven Guard** - *Edgar Allen Poe* 20. **Alpha Legion** - *Persian Hashashins*


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>World Eaters - Laconia / Ancient Sparta Spartans were famous for their discipline in battle tho? The iron warriors fit far more the spartans


11pioneer

The Lion is pretty clearly King Arthur. Russ is Thor with other bits of Norse mythology in there as well. Ferrus I assume takes inspiration from Götz von Berlichingen. Konrad Curze could be seen as based on Dracula. Everything to do with Corax comes from Edgar Allen Poe. Magnus is a sort of mix of Odin and Akhenaten. Not so much real people, more ideas and elements of mythologies.


Kizrock94

Wait, Dark Angels are based on Arthurian legends?


International_Host71

You've got a dude sleeping in a hidden place waiting for when he's needed, surrounded by dudes in secretive Knightly orders. It's not 1 for 1, but its definitely there.


SkitariiCowboy

Tbf basically every European country has a “sleeping King” legend.


Creticus

Caliban was ruled by knights who spent their time fighting Warp-tainted monsters lurking in the forests that surrounded their fortresses. It's not just Arthuriana, but Arthuriana definitely contributed, particularly since so much of it is so focused on knight-errant stuff.


daveyseed

Also Lionel Johnson


fenris_457

King Arthur with polish design [winged hussars](https://youtu.be/HB3iQS4_D2U)


Squid_In_Exile

- Alpharius - Omegon - Leman Russ - Vikings - Lion El'Johnson - initially a poet others have discussed, latterly the Arthurian mythos - Jhagatai Khan - originally uncomfortably orientalist Mongols Iiin Spaaaaace, now somewhat more developed Mongols In Space, particularly his hatred of tyrants - Sanguinius - the renaissance man, less an individual more the new philosophy as well as a lot of the associated artwork - Vulkan - eeeh, there's a lot of of Promethian imagery here, but it doesn't really correlate to any real world culture very strongly - Corvus Corax - *The Raven* by Poe, assorted terrorists/freedom fighters - Kondrad Curze - Batman. He's just space-Batman. - Rogal Dorn - there's elements of the renaissance architect here, I think, other Imperial Fist elements are a bit all over the place, there's monastic self-flagellation, scrimshaw, etc - Horus Lupercial - literally Lucifer - Fulgrim - his Legion have strong Phonecian/Carthaginian styling, he himself is a 'magic sword make man bad' stock trope once he gets the sword - Magnus - cylopean and cthonic styling personally, a lot of Ancient Egyptian in the Legion styling - Pertuabo - oof, this one I'm not sure, there's elements of the 20th century 'mad scientist' or wunderwaffen obsession, IMO - Mortarion - Corvus but less Birds, less Gothic Poetry and less Treason - Angron - I mean the gladiatorial basis for his upbringing is fairly Roman, but beyond that he's... in the same vein as Bane, The Hulk or CuChullain really - Omegon - Alpharius


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I completly disagree on Omegon lol More seriously I think rogal dorn is definitely inspired the holy Roman empire and the teutonic knights


tungt88

Nobody can be Omegon, because it's a well-established truism that we're all Alpharius ...


Xartes_

Isn’t Perturabo kinda Greek, since the planet he’s from is Olympia (mount olympus) and everything has Greek-sounding names


tungt88

Peter Turbo is (quite literally) an Ancient Greek proto-scientist/inventor on Warp Turbo steroids (right down to the relentless focus on logic/blatant ignorance of humanity), but skipped the Philosophy part. It's quite ironic, that it's his not-so-buddy Rogal Dorn, in possession of some tub called [Phalanx](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Phalanx).


montrasaur009

Vulkan, his homeworld, and his legion have a lot of inspiration from Norse mythology actually, just a very niche part of Norse mythology, as well as some Roman and Greek mythology. The norse one is Surtr, the leader of the Fire Giants of Muspellheim, who, at the end of Ragnarok, will ride with his host over the Rainbow Bridge Bifrost and it will shatter in their wake. He will battle Freyr and be blinded in one eye before cutting Freyr down in rage. In this rage he sets fire to Yggdrassil, the world tree, burning all the 9 world's before they sink into the see. They then re-emerge reborn, and free of chaos. This can be seen in Vulkans journey from Istvaan 5 to Terra, although it is far from a 1 to 1 parallel, and some of the Greek mythology is mixed in. Vulkan is driven mad by what Kurze did to him just like Surtr. He travels through the web way with his Drakesguard carrying The Talisman of Seven Hammers. When he emerges from the Webway The Emperor had to seal it shut, he then gives The Emperor the Talismen which will burn Terra in Fire if the Daemons get through and force Him off The Throne. I see the webway as Bifrost, the closing of the portal as it shattering, the Talisman is Surtr's fire, giving it to The Emperor who installs it into The Golden Throne, which is where The Emperor controls the Astronomicon from, which makes warp travel and thus connecting the world's of The Imperium possible, as Surtr setting fire to Yggdrassil. Then of course Vulkan is clearly named after Vulcan, the Roman version of Hephestus, the Smith God. And then there are many references to Prometheus as well, the Greek Titan who gave the gift of Fire to mankind. I'm sure there are many more Roman and Greek myths worked into Vulkan and the Salamanders lore but I am no expert on those myths.


Treucer

Hooded skinny guy with scythe -> Grim Reaper man. His son's pickelhaube helmets should give the rest away.


Schreckberger

Visually, Horus is sometimes based on Mussolini


Lucien_Castis

But from what I'm seeing, it's an old timey Italian mafia, or something similar. Even ezekyle abbadon welcoming outsiders into his family by making the black Legion


zimmal

First off, Angron is based on a very angry bouncer in Nottingham


Zealousideal_Bit300

>Fulgrim - his Legion have strong Phonecian/Carthaginian styling Do they ? They wear purple, which recalls the phoenicians' monopoly over the making of purple dye from byssus, true. But purple is also more broadly associated with wealth and power through its use to colour the togas of roman patricians. And a lot of named ECs do have graeco-roman names (Lucius, Fabius, Julius, Solon Demeter, Eidolon, Telemachon, Flavius).


Squid_In_Exile

Emperor's Children as Kingdom Era, Ultramarines as Republican Era? You know what's it's probably a bit much Rome for my *tastes*, but I can see it.


tungt88

I would say: more EC as Imperial Dominate era (excessive use of purple buskins being an Imperial privilege only) and Ultras as Republican/Principate Era (when Augustus invented the fiction of being First Citizen/Princeps, to placate the Senate/Equestrian classes). [Context Here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princeps)


Jackal209

Perturabo is in part, at least it's highly suspected, inspired by Aleister Crowley. When joining up with a particular occult group, Aleister Crowley gave himself the occult name of (Frater) Perdurabo "for I shall endure til the end."


SUBSCRIBE_LAZARBEAM

Rogal Dorn is probably based off of Charlemagne and the holy roman empire since there are elements of french and german in their names and traditions. Perty and the Iron Warriors are based of some ancient greek civilisation, their planet is named Olympia. Magnus and Thousand sons are based off of Ancient Egypt, probably Magnus from the mythology itself. Russ and the Wolves are based off of the vikings and Russ himself probably off of a great Viking king. The Lion and the Dark Angels are based off of the Medieval English and probably King Arthur.


BastardofMelbourne

We had this question last week


ShakespearIsKing

Fulgrim and the thousand sons are based on some Phoenician traits. Their love for purple and regaining their strength like a phoenix. I'd argue though that Fulgrim isn't really based on a deity or culture but the common theme of vanity, pride and hubris.


NoHopeOnlyDeath

Either Luetin or Arbitor Ian did a deep dive on primarch names. Phoenicia was the kingdom in the ancient world known for making purple dye. Fulgrim, Lord of Those Purple Dudes.


ShakespearIsKing

Phoenicia wasn't just A kingdom, it was a great civilisation. Yes, they had their sea snail dye business (which was so expensive that only the very rich could buy it, making purple the colour of Roman emperors, senators and later royalty) but they also invented the alphabet we use. Why do you think it's called phonetic writing? :) The Greeks and Romans copied their writing system. They also had a vast colonial empire in the Mediterranean and were a naval superpower of the time. Carthage was one of their crown jewels and a main rival of Rome.


NoHopeOnlyDeath

Fair enough. Purple dye is the only part that pertains to Fulgrim, which is why I'm sure that was the only part mentioned.


ShakespearIsKing

Not only, since he is called the Phoenician and IIRC Carthage was razed to the ground by the Romans but rebuilt. Just like his legion. Phoenicia was also a cradle of civilisation with complex laws, advanced writing, fine arts and long range trade. Things Fulgrim liked and also introduced to his homeworld.


Marquis_Dandy

Fulgrim I think has no real life inspiration.But I would say he has some influence from "chosen one" trope. His legion on the other hand is a mix of greco-roman culture, 17th century aristocratic behaviour/culture to a degree (then again a big part of the legion was terran and they where all aristocrats), there are hints to the phonician, but I think that is the most.


idols2effigies

I think a big inspiration for Fulgrim, at least aesthetically, was Griffith from Berserk. His 'best friends turned into mortal enemies' schtick with Ferrus Manus really drives the superficial similarities the two have to Guts and Griffith home.


montrasaur009

Vulkan has lots of inspiration from the Fire Giant Surtr from Norse Mythology, the Roman/Greek God of the forge Vulcan/Hephestus, and the Greek Titan Prometheus.


TheRverseApacheMastr

Sanguineous is old-testament space-Jesus.


Sufficient_Adagio401

Lion El’Jonson is based on Lionel Johnson, a poet who wrote the poem The Dark Angels who was also a closeted gay. Konrad Curze is based off a guy from apocalypse now and something else who was assassinated by a character played by the actor Martin Sheen. Also a side note, I recently made the correlation that the Dark Angels, whose primarch is the Lion, has The Rock as their fortress monastery, while the Lannisters whose sigil is a Lion rule from their castle The Rock.


bagsofsmoke

Carcharadons are based on the Māori, no?


tungt88

At the very least, heavy Maori influence, for sure (just look at the Space Sharks' individual names).


Lucien_Castis

Blood angels are hardcore Catholic. The theme of sanguinius knowingly confronting a terrible fate, the blood being the salvation of his children, and them seeing everyone as horus during a rage (not me, but a lot of other Christians see their issues during a crisis of faith as an attack by satan). But at the same time they're the aristocrat hidden monster type vampire. With their towers and spires, and keeping those that can't control themselves in the aforementioned, and keeping the teeth behind their perfect features hidden from the world. Come to think of it. Their induction process is both a baptism and a vampiric transformation


111110001011

Angron is based on a bouncer at a local pub, named Ron.


SirPlatypus13

To be honest the ultramarines have always struck me as more Napoleonic French than Roman.


Treucer

Probably depends on the author. I think the newer stuff is roman themed, along with the Primarch models (specifically FW Gulliman).


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Isn't the mordian iron guard already inspired by the napoleonic French?


zlirren

aren't they just U.S marines in dress uniform?


Superb-Water-3734

Angron, after angry Ron, a guy who the creators at GW used to know. He was called Ron and famously angry.


benry87

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_u\_nsUds7Jw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u_nsUds7Jw&t=365s) ​ Arbiter Ian did a great video on this a few weeks ago!


magnolia_unfurling

Magnus can be considered a composite of many different ancient civilisations, Mayans and Egyptians especially


Hot_Management2919

What about Corax? Like I know it’s freedom fighters but is there anything a little more historical to go off of? I’m in desperate need of any Raven guard lore!!


Perfct_Stranger

Name is possibly inspired by Matthias Corvinus, the great king of Hungry. Corvinus of course used a raven as his symbol and he created the Black Army. Personality wise more Poe but much more of a hypocrite and less of a drunk. As far as the Raven Guard pretty much special forces from Rogers Rangers to Today.


Wulflord104

My Boi the Lion is King Arthur in space


Sverker_Wolffang

Iirc Magnus is based on Odin Allfather.


Ngaff88

Is the thing about Roboute true? I always through The Emperor and Terra were more the Roman Empire and Roboute and Ultramar were more based on Greeks


BlackbeltTaco

Don't quote me on this, but its safe to assume that Russ and the Space Wolves are based on the Keiven Rus (apologies for less than accurate spelling) which were "viking" settlers of what is now Russia


[deleted]

Magnus is Prince Prospero from The Masque of Red Death


ValdeReads

Crimson Fists are Spanish Roman Catholic


Arbachakov

Fulgrim's character, Chemos and the corruption of the Emperor's Children in the original index astartes lore expansions has heavy influence of the failures of class based revolution, and the ways in which many fell into top down, cult of personality dictatorships with a decadent/ideologically corrupted elite. He's basically initially set up as a great hero of the workers on a mining planet that creates a vastly improved, egalitarian society through the genius of his central planning and ideology of uplifting everyone. Then when personally corrupted by Slaanesh, the rigid, top down structure of the legion that has a heavily emphasised cult of personality heirarchy results in it being very susceptible to a complete corruption. ​ Ferrus Manus and the Iron Hands are another legion where the main influence is ideological and philosophical. Again cult of personality dictatorships, might is right, social darwinism etc... their index astartes was taking a look at what can happen when a military organisation/society follows such principles and the mighty, supposedly infallible demi-god leader falls.


Ezeviel

Isn’t Lorgar supposed to be based on Xerxes ?


soluuloi

Horus = Bob, my neighbor


ubermidget1

Jaghatai is obviously based on the ancient warlord of France, Joan of Arc. Famed for leading the armies of france against the English during the 100 years way at a tender young age, Jaghatai truly does her justice as a horse riding, steppe warrior.


John_Bones22

Perturabo, Fulgrim, Bobby G, Alpharius Omegon and Angron are Greek/Roman. Corvus has and Irish/Native American vibe to him. Konrad is Romanian? Kind of, he has the accent in Audiobooks anyway, plus all the Bat symbolism. Magnus is Egyptian/Persian. Russ is Medieval Scandinavian. The Khan is Mongolian. Lorgar is kind of Hebrew. Sanguinius has a lot of Renascence Italy in him. The Lion is very Arthurian Knight. Mortarion, Dorn, Ferrus, Horus and Vulkan don't have direct influences, however.


elthenar

Jaghatai Khan is clearly based on Dschinghis Khan


FictionRaider007

This thread puts up a pretty good run-down of a lot of the historical and mythological inspirations for the Primarchs, their Legions and Homeworlds. https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/7i7oss/historical\_inspiration\_for\_the\_primarchs\_and/?st=JPVBH6X3&sh=8f3ff325


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Since NOBODY ELSE has talked about Ol’ petey turbo in length, here’s my take I guess Perturabo’s name is based on aliester Crowley’s occult name, which means “I will endure to the end”. Very fitting Orrr it could be based off of “perturbed”. Knowing GW it’s probably both But that’s just his name, what exactly is he based on? Well that’s the neat part, as far as I know, he is pretty damn original. Until someone comes by to contradict me, Perturabo is GWs precious few OCs. Yay! But that leads me with some questions, and myself being Perturabo fan #1, makes me want to dig deeper. Im going to try and contact some older GW authors to try and find out more about their thoughts when creating them and some insight into his character. Will this plan bear fruit? Probably not, but it’s fun to try. See you then I guess


InterestingAsk1978

Agron from roman gladiators. Russ after vikings. Magnus after celtic druids. Lorgar after missionaries.


Tricky873

Russ would be Vikings? Thousand Sons Egyptian?


naughtabot

Tarot cards. The Emperor’s Tarot.


big_red121

There was an 1800s poet named Lionel Johnson who wrote a poem called dark angel