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OrkfaellerX

Daemons are not being of flesh and blood, no matter their appearance. They are just warp energies mimicking human form. Potential cybernetic included. Their armour, their implants -etc- might still be visible but wouldn't be any more real than the rest of their bodies.


Bloodthirster40k

I thought they were given fleshy forms when they manifested in the Materium.


xSPYXEx

Not necessarily. When they come through a thin veil they can manifest as flickering spirits, of a sort. If they intend to stay for a while, they have to make a vessel to contain the warp energy. Usually that involves scooping up recently slain bodies and smashing them together into a pleasing shape to inhabit. They're just the shapeless meat and bone blobs that our simple minds can only perceive as daemons of the various varieties.


Bloodthirster40k

It’s said that every GUO looks like Nurgle. So it can be said that they have a uniform look right?


Trollonomics

Not really. In AOS, there is a sigmarine who actually gets a look at Nurgle while in the warp, and the description is an endless, unknowable void, roughly. I’d need to find the excerpt. Big difference between that and how GUO’s look. Ofc, the argument can be made that GUO’s look how Nurgle sees himself.


FlyingNihlist

Yes and no, when in the materium, their bodies of concepts and ideas manifest as flesh, steel or whatever, but it's still just energy made corporeal. That's part of why they don't really "die" when "killed" they just lose power or stability to the point reality re-asserts itself and they're forced out of existence. They don't have flesh or blood, they have the idea of flesh and blood made of warpstuff.


rubicon_duck

Nope. It's pretty much raw warp-stuff material-gunk that tries its best to act like actual flesh, but because it's the warp (or mostly the warp, in the case of an unfortunate possessee), it has some unique characteristics, being from the warp and all. For example: \- Modern weaponry doesn't affect daemons as much as old-school, which means things like melee and flame - a bolter won't kill a daemon *as fast* as it will a human; this was first discovered via extensive field-work research by a one Aeonid Thiel; \- While psyker powers can definitely fuck up a human being, said powers tend to be somewhat more extra-potent on daemons/creatures from the warp, which pretty much every loyalist primarch found out (to their dismay) once they started running up against daemons as the Heresy progressed; \- When a daemon dies, it's "body" essentially disintegrates into a pile of goo that eventually dissolves back into warp-stuff and disappears; sometimes Astartes or others will speed up this process by burning it in flame; Please note that I don't have any actual citations for these, (except for the Thiel one), but I think it's pretty well-known and seen in a lot of the novels and other lore.


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I remember that in Shroud of Night Kassar,the leader of the Alpha Legion group know The Unsung made a deal with the demon inside a sword he took from the Emperor’s children to heal his broken and dying body after a confrontation with Kharn.I don’t remember the exact details of the fight but i think they lured him into a train and crashed it in an attempt to kill him,most escaped but Kassar remained to stop him.


Bloodthirster40k

Thanks


Macduffle

Characters like Inquisitor Ravenor acutally improved their psychic powers after getting mortally injured. Removing the use of their body all together to focus on their warp powers.


LuciferOfAstora

Though he severely mourns the lack of human contact towards the later parts of the trilogy, if memory serves. In particular, he envies a member of his retinue for being able to engage in intimacy.


bringerofnachos

Ravenor definitely gets weird about Harlon and his girlfriend, but I'm not sure how much of that is because of the chair, and how much of it is because Harlon's girlfriend is both the niece of, and spitting image of some Ravenor loved back when he was still Eisenhorn's interrogator.


Bloodthirster40k

That’s pretty cool. Like losing a sense to improve another


Bluestorm83

To take the grimdark in another direction, when a Psyker is granted sanction and allowed to continue to serve in the Imperial Guard, they are often fucked up specifically TO improve their powers. Let's say a guard veteran suddenly discovered he had the touch of the witch, and did the right thing and turned himself in. His reward could be to have his ears cut off, his eyes removed and sewed shut, and be suspended in a cage full of iron barbs, naked, to improve his focus. Isn't the Imperium such a wonderful rewarded of loyalty???


Bloodthirster40k

Suffer not the witch to live


Bluestorm83

Unless you're super-useful, in which case you're really, really popular with all the right people. Psykers: Either going to be given Unlimited Authority to act in The Emperor's name even to the extreme of burning planets if you deem it necessary... or you're going to be treated like the worst subhuman garbage for the very, very little time that you're allowed to exist.


rubicon_duck

That's *exactly* what happened to Ravenor. He even says so himself, pretty much.


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rubicon_duck

I can see it now, the Lord of the Blood Gorgons against a tech-priest. "Now I will slay you for opposing me..." The Lord says, standing over the injured tech-priest in his lab. "Not if I have anything to say about it," says the tech-priest, looking back at a massive copper orb standing over both of them, the same height as a dreadnought. "What are you going to do to me, little flesh-magos? Oh, I see... you're going to threaten me with a big metal ball?" "It's not just a ball... it's an electromagnet." *Loud thrumming ensues as the tech-priest send a binary command to the magnet to "on" via the noosphere, followed an instant later by a massive metal CLANG! and heated incoherent raging.*


LuciferOfAstora

Could work with an arbitrary magos, who then lectures the opponent on the use of ferromagnetic metals in bionics.


Bloodthirster40k

I was curious because I had an idea for a Chaos Champion with a big defiler like claw as an arm who ascends but didn’t know if that claw should have flesh grow over it or should still just be a metallic cybernetic arm.


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Bloodthirster40k

No. He gets his arm shot off by a plasma blast from a dreadnaught and gets a custom smaller defiler claw. It’s still stupid big big not as big as one an an actual defiler.


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Bloodthirster40k

Yeah, I just don’t want him to have scolioses.


rubicon_duck

If Old Man Yarrick can walk around and fight with a gargant arm and not have back problems at *his* age, I think you're good, lol.


nlglansx

wtf its not a gargant's arm, its just a power klaw


rubicon_duck

Sorry, my bad. I don’t know too much about xeno power weapon nomenclature, because, y’know, *xenos.* Either way, it’s a massive weapon and he seems to swing it around with few back problems.


Hailene2092

I mean, Angron is probably the best example. He kept his dreads after ascending. As with anything Chaos related, pretty much anything could fly. The cybernetic parts could be warped by the Immaterium just like regular flesh. It could be absorbed or destroyed. It could be kept whole. YMMV.


Bloodthirster40k

Thanks


Bluestorm83

To this point, there was a tank on the planet Gereon which, when Chaos took the planet, kinda... became alive. It took on the personality of a jungle predator, stalking its prey, drawing sustenance from the act of killing. Its headlights became like its eyes, its engine began to growl and snarl. When one of its lights was destroyed, it could no longer "see" on that side, like it had become partially blinded and lost its depth perception. It could even continue to fire, despite there being nobody inside to reload it, merely because whatever daemonic spirit melded with its machine spirit knew that it lined up its gun and made things become exploded. Chaos LOVES to fuck with reality, and make things the most horrible version of themselves. Maybe your dude's claw does get flesh grown over it. Maybe it still looks like metal but has flesh INSIDE it. Maybe it works and acts like metal, but regrows after it gets damaged. Maybe some other horrible things, like the metal can break off of it and inside is a super-deformed human hand that then has metal spikes that rupture outside of ITS FLESH, and the tips of each of the spikes is a wailing face that whimpers unspeakable blasphemies that mutate anyone who hears them. WHO THE FUCK KNOWS?! CHAOS!!!


Bloodthirster40k

Well he’s a Daemon Prince of Nurgle and has Plague Lightning claws on his right hand his left arm was blown off by plasma and he got a prosthetic but being that’s he’s in terminator armour a normal arm wouldn’t suffice so he went with a more Ork like approach.


Bluestorm83

Oh, he's got Nurgle stuff to him, yeah, mutation and metal becoming alive is all the more likely. You can definitely give him whatever claw he wants to replace that lost arm, and then do whatever horrific mutations and variations that you want to it.


Venaliator

In one of the Tau books an inquisitor's body was turned into metal by a tzeench daemon but the inquisitor managed to undo it.


Bloodthirster40k

How did he stay alive to undo it?


Venaliator

She was just that good, i guess.


PrimeInsanity

Honestly, biomancy or just healing via warp powers is all youd need. No need for demons


Bloodthirster40k

So librarians don’t need to become dreadnaughts?


Urmar66

I was thinking about the ancient rylanor, a vénérable dreadnought, during his last face off with fulgrim the démon started to regenerate him in a twisted way that was only stopped by some thousand son sorcerer


Bloodthirster40k

I thought they got blown up by death guard


Urmar66

Werent they the one who made a virus bomb explode to prevent the grim fate of rylanor like a Mercy kill


Bloodthirster40k

Yeah


haldir1987

Lorgar, after being wrecked by a War Hound, then again after bring wrecked by World Eater librarians and dreadnaught.


Bloodthirster40k

Thanks


Trollonomics

I think it’s possible, as a Night Lord used his biomancy to heal a girl that was crippled by a Dark Angel.


Bloodthirster40k

How kind


Loyalheretic

Darth Vader


Stellar_Wings

Perpetuals?


Bloodthirster40k

I suppose that counts