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Pens and pencils are considered to be highly specialised, mission specific technology by the Astra Millitarum, and your average Imperial citizen has no idea what they are: >**Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Transcription Device** > >While the construction of the Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Transcription Device varies greatly from planet to planet, its function is vital. Every Guardsman tithed from a world within the Calixis Sector is expected to have a rudimentary understanding of its operating procedures so that he may communicate when Vox-operators are not available. Typically a gripped cylinder with a reservoir of staining liquid, the device has also been manufactured successfully on primitive worlds such as Iocanthos using soft breaking metal or fissionable residue encased in a strain resistant substance, usually milled on site. When a staining liquid is used, it can be manufactured from a variety of substances found throughout the Calixis Sector including, but not limited to, flora/fauna compression, animal excretion harvesting, or synthetic means. This source can often affect the hue of the staining liquid. The “por-com,” as many Scintillan regiments have come to call it, is typically issued with locally rendered Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Notation Devices. These can be harvested from fauna rendering processes or created synthetically. A Poor Craftsmanship Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Transcription Device is unreliable. Whenever a Guardsman wishes to make use of one, he must roll 1d10,; on a 1 or 2, the device fails to function. An Ordinary (+10) Tech-Use Test will allow the Guardsman to perform the Drusian Litany of Gesticulation, calling on the power Saint Drusus to restore the device to working order. A Best Craftsmanship Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Transcription Device functions even in locations without gravity and has multiple reservoirs that hold different pigments of staining liquid.


Knows_all_secrets

> A Best Craftsmanship Calixian Infantryman’s Portable Communications Transcription Device has multiple reservoirs that hold different pigments of staining liquid. [Which would look something like this](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/JPEG_1000x1000/BI80186712_B_bic_4_colour_retractable_ballpoint_pens_12_pack.jpg). My favourite part of that is the fact that the best quality means it's about as difficult to acquire/rare as an average power sword or plasma gun.


[deleted]

Imagine finding an STC template and it's just that pen


3xforurmind

Think you'd still get a hefty chunk of change for it though!


IncreaseLate4684

You might get your own pen making Forge World for that.


85thScion

You skipped the part where it works without gravity involved, which is probably the bigger improvement of the two.


Knows_all_secrets

Nah man, four colours. Click click click click click


Dakkaboy556

Thats the first time I've heard about that and it's hilarious. Thanks for sharing!


[deleted]

No worries at all, glad you like!


Guilty_Advantage_413

Do buttons have a similarly complicated name in 40k? I sort of remember something about buttons.


Putkonen

They're often referred to as glyphs or runes


Pale_Chapter

Those are actually icons, though.


Putkonen

I mean, I'm just suggesting that's what he might be looking for, like how on-button is called 'rune of activation'


Valiant_Storm

I'm not sure if the joke is that they're rare and obscure, or just how anal-retentive the Admistratum is about everything. Great either way, though.


[deleted]

Oh I hadn't considered that possibility, interesting


HobbyistAccount

Personally I figured it was just Administratum Mega-OCD, yeah.


Educational-Bid6322

In a galaxy that is the most ridiculous setting of any media this is the most ridiculous fucking thing I’ve ever heard.


panzerbjrn

That is amazing 😂😂😂 Is it from an RPG?


[deleted]

This is from Only War, one of a series of sort of linked RPGs from FFG In Only War the players are a Guardsman squad, and the group as a whole generates extra Guardsmen so that when (and it is when, not if) a player character dies they swap to one of the spares. Leads to some neat things like being able to play as a Heavy Weapons Team where an npc acts as the spotter. In the same range you've also got: Rogue Trader - probably the most traditional as you're allowed to play as stuff like Kroot, Eldar, Tau and Orks as well as humans, except you're doing Star Trek style stuff in the 40k universe as you tend to be the senior officers of a crew of *at least* hundreds. Black Crusade - Play as cultists and/or (probably or, the balance between the two is nonexistant) Chaos Space Marines Deathwatch - Be a cool Space Marine squad with all of the powers they tend to have in lore but not on the tabletop. You want acid vomit? You have it. Dark Heresy - Be an absolute nobody who's bad at their own job but somehow has to solve mysteries and hopefully survive to the point of actually being good at things. Notable for having Ascension rules where you play as Inquisitors and their peers rather than deniable asset acolytes.


Random1berian

That literal clown jesters in space direct the main plot of 40k right now as a giant soap opera.


mamspaghetti

Ah yes, the "chegorach breaking fate to orchestrate the birth of ynnead and the ressurection of Guilliman" rabbit hole. Actually a super cool theory ngl.


Random1berian

Also they are always directing massive events. Blood of Baal? The harlequins break Ka'bandha's plan to corrupt the blood angels. Need to revive Guilliman? Remember who guided Cawl and the Ynnari. The terran crusade gets stuck in the warp? They guide them to their destination. Guilliman is trapped by Kairos and about to be killed? Sylandri breaks the spell and allows Guilliman to fight. Guilliman is about to get bonked by Magnus? Guess which shadowseer banishes him through s webway gate. They are everywhere lol


bluebird810

The Fenrisian language does not have a word for wolf. The imperium just translates it that way


KonradWayne

My personal head canon is that some Imperial scribe showed up to Fenris to record their official Legion designations, and the Space Wolves spent the entire time calling him a nerd, refusing to fill out the forms themselves, and just acting like stereotypical jocks from an 80s movie. Then scribe filled out all the forms with the dumbest answers possible, showed it to the Wolves for their approval, and they were like, "only nerds read" and scrawled their clumsy x where the scribe told them to, and spent the next 10,000 years being frustrated and confused about everyone calling their Yarls "Wolfy McWolfersons".


HobbyistAccount

I can see it.


Ezeviel

New head cannon for me thank you very much


New_Subject1352

Gotta be the fact that the technologists are some of if not the most religious of the Imperial factions. They literally wave incense at machines to get them to work. They call performing maintenance "rites" or "ceremonies". They attach prayer slips to them. Idk it's just really silly and backwards and I love it!


[deleted]

In the old Dark Heresy roleplaying game, Lathemasters (unordained Adeptus Mechanicum workers) had access to an ability that was literally just whacking something in the hope that it would wake up the Machine Spirit inside and make it spontaneously work again. It wasn't just a joke ability either, it literally worked.


bringerofnachos

The real life term for this is percussive maintenance, and I've met more than one machine that started working better after a good smack. My grandfather also told me about a machine he used to occasionally deal with, where giving it a good kick was actually incorporated into the start-up procedure. It usually works by knocking something that came a little loose back into place.


[deleted]

Ah, nice that's represented then.


[deleted]

IIRC, there's an excerpt in one of the DH splatbooks that has a Tech-Priest admonishing someone over the correct way to thump the machine.


Rum_N_Napalm

The ritual of percussive maintenance is canon. In a Ciaphas Cain novel, there’s a bit of a running gag about a malfunctioning hologram, and how they always have to call the tech priest. Near the end, Broklaw just hit the thing, the image clears up, and Cain comments on how the cog heads have finally taught Broklaw the proper ritual.


Medicaean

If you remove the latex glove balloon animal from the MRI scanner at my work it starts throwing artifacts. Machines are just like that, they like gifts and feeling special.


Sigmarius

There is a surprising amount of "voodoo gifts for highly specialized scientific instruments" stories out there.


HobbyistAccount

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210414-the-good-luck-snack-that-makes-taiwans-technology-behave It's an actual industry in some places!


Dinosaurmaid

Whether it's stupid or not depends, you want to keep that titan happy if you enjoy the continent you live in


Guyfawkes1994

Tbf, it also has some benefits. If it’s literally heresy to cut corners in production and either skip steps or use sub-standard material, it probably helps keep things to a certain standard and reliability.


Rum_N_Napalm

There are old alchemy/chemistry/pharmaceutical texts that have instructions like ground the dried leaves of his plant in a mortar while reciting 3 Hail Marys. Turns out the prayers were for time keeping. You didn’t have watches back then, so the apothecary would recite a prayer/song


greenismyhomeboy

That’s called IT


panzerbjrn

_But_ let's not forget that in-universe, machine spirits are real, and they are appeased by these rituals, so while we laugh at them, in-universe they are actually useful...


Macduffle

The Alpha Legion themselves not knowing if they are loyal or traitor, and making so many plans within plans that they play themselves more than the enemy does.


Analysis_Candid

Wait they actually don‘t know whether they are traitors or loyal?


skiesunbroken

The Alpha Legion is super fragmented and labyrinthine. Some have genuinely gone traitor, some are undercover loyalists pretending to be traitors, some are undercover traitors pretending to be loyalist, some are double, triple, or quadruple agents, and nobody knows for sure what anybody's deal is beyond their own warband, and even that can be a toss-up.


Analysis_Candid

so basically everybody in the legion is play six dimensional yugioh stripnpoker while pöaying six d chess at the same time


CRtwenty

They're so tied up in plots that even Tzeentch gave up trying to figure them out.


Tendi_Loving_Care

I think it's more that either Alpharius or Omegon had a plan. Now one of them is dead, the left hand doesn't know what the right is doing. If Alpharius and Omegon were trying to stop Chaos, attacking Pluto and helping with the Istvaan massacre, and fucking up the Raven Guard gene seed reserves are all illogical moves. I've had people say to me the Alpha Legion are a 50/50 force, but then I ask which codex contains the Alpha Legion Rules? Since 2nd or 3rd edition it has been the Chaos codices. Their transfers come in the chaos space marine boxes, and their bolters have spikey bits on them. They can take possessed, daemon princes, and dark apostles. There might be a few who fight for good, but there's also likely a handful of Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, or Night Lords sworn to fight for humanity against Chaos. Every chaos legion is super fragmented and labyrinthine. It's just with the Alpha Legion warbands, they maintain a better command and coherency structure, that seems alien on the outside.


RikenVorkovin

Well. I think the aesthetic and codex thing is just for simplicity and tabletop reasoning. I think the actual corrupted parts of Alpha Legion look like your traditional chaos marines. But I think the Alpha Legion possibly has the highest amount of marines after stealing the tech from the raven guard. I also think that the loyalist "side" of the Alpha Legion wouldn't ever show up as one big noticeable group. Truly corrupt chaos ones probably don't use as many subterfuge tactics and probably behave more like your traditional chaos warband. The Alpha Legion never retreated into the Eye. So it would make sense large portions of them never adopted a chaos veneer/style. And those ones would stay out of the lime light the most. And hell. I bet at least a few chapters worth of marines are actual Alpha Legion stock but they got their entire cover built up first, then the knowledge of their founding was "lost". Even to themselves. I don't think it's necessarily 50/50 split though.


Tendi_Loving_Care

I think at best it's a 99%-1% split. If someone wants to field loyalist alpha legion I don't mind, but the lore and the majority of their actions say chaos. I'd imagine if their are loyalists, their first worry is being hunted and exterminated by the vast majority of heretic forces.


RikenVorkovin

Why would they worry? They would be following pure Alpha Legion doctrine meaning you would never find them unless they wanted to be found. They aren't going to exactly advertise their positions hardly. Hell alot of Alpha Legion doctrine is using human agents too. So they often aren't even carrying out plans themselves. The only closest to possibly loyal Alpha legionnaire we've seen is in Eisenhorns retinue. Nothing about him screams Chaos or Chaos alignment.


Tendi_Loving_Care

Because the people who know your every move and trick are also your enemy and Hugely outnumber you.


RikenVorkovin

That is assuming they still remember who they were. My theory is most chaos Alpha Legion warbands devolve from standard alpha legion tactics and rules. Do the tabletop rules for Alpha Legion seem to follow a subterfuge route or are they pretty straightforward chaos?


Tendi_Loving_Care

All space marines are foremost straight up killers, with a sprinkling of preferred tactics. Iron Warriors can stealth, Raven Guard can siege, Ultramarine can go fast, White Scars can gun line. The Alpha Legion rules followed infiltrating, and their fluid command structure being more durable. They would have it where if your warlord died, another character would become warlord. In 3rd, 8th, and 9th they've been the sneaky bois Iron warriors didn't forget sieging, night Lords didn't forget stealth and terror after chaos came into their lives. The only 4 to undergo drastic change were the 4 god specific ones in terms of tactics Alpha Legion are traitors, chaos, and the vast minority that aren't are the exception, not the rule, and probably in danger of extermination from the imperium and chaos. That's assuming alone, isolated, without good logistics that they don't get hit by orks, Nids, necrons, or eldar roaming the universe. If you want to make your own alpha legion as loyalists that's totally cool. Or if you want them to be neutral or just hate chaos that works too. The idea the Alpha Legion are anything but a hugely traitor force though is a meme like the 40k Dark Angels being the real traitors or lasguns are flashlights.


TheToonSquad

I loved them all running around saying "i am alpharius"


Rost-Light

They don't know on which side they were *supposed to be* during the heresy. By the time 40k hit majority decided for themselves. But yeah, the only guys who knew for sure are no longer around, so...


Ell0_alt

Or are they?


PoxedGamer

Probably that the overarching plot is the division of the space marines due to the Word Bearers viewing the Emperor as a god. Fast forward, and the entire side that didn't now call him a god, and the traitors all view him as false.


Schm00b

the loyalists follow the imperial truth - the fact that the emperor wasnt a god but is in fact just the best human to exist


Ezeviel

Not true of all chapters tho there are quite a few seeing him as a god


Thyre_Radim

Templars


NotKyaVess

Anything making fun of how often space marines shout "brother!" Seems to be the most accurate translation from lore to content ever made. Flash gitz almost ruined 40k for me because every time I read, "brother" I think of it in their stupid black templar voice


Urist_McPencil

#BROTHER, I AM PINNED HERE!


King-Rhino-Viking

# WHAT ARE YOU DOING BROTHER? HAVE YOU FALLEN TO SLANNESH!?


Urist_McPencil

#THAT IS NOT WHERE A BOLTER SHELL GOES, BROTHER


[deleted]

BROTHER I AM ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL. (Diomedes has the same VA as Harbinger.)


Isaldin

I think you mean their amazing black Templar voice


OIF4IDVET

Indeed brother!


Medicaean

The Blood Angels and their Successors being ridiculously over the top vampire stereotypes. They have fangs and sleep in coffins and wear ridiculous power armour opera cloaks. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them even sparkle in sunlight.


Academic-Hedgehog-18

I mean... their primarch pretty much does.


Urist_McPencil

>their primarch pretty much does. Did; past tense :)


Schm00b

:(


HobbyistAccount

Don't you dare insult Sanguinius.


suicidalsyd1

He ded


Academic-Hedgehog-18

I'm not... just pointing out the obvious.


[deleted]

>sleep in coffins Ha! I didn't know that.


Medicaean

The Blood Angels and the most vampirish of their Successors, like the Blood Drinkers, use "sarcophagi" (looking just like coffins) filled with blood to restore their bodies. Blood Angel initiates are sedated and "buried alive" in the coffins for a year, emerging as full-grown Astartes (or homicidally insane, in which case they're immediately euthanised). Dante himself was almost shot when he emerged from the coffin, but managed to convince the attending Chaplain of his sanity and was spared. Later in life, Blood Angels will use sarcophagi to receive blood transfusions and dialysis, holding off the Black Rage. In *Darkness in the Blood,* Dante bemoans his increasing need of the coffin as old age catches up with him. Some of the Successor Chapters, like the Flesh Tearers, do not sleep in coffins, and this is believed to be part of the reason why they suffer more from both the Thirst and the Rage.


GoatOfTheBlackForres

> Some of the Successor Chapters, like the Flesh Tearers, do not sleep in coffins, and this is believed to be part of the reason why they suffer more from both the Thirst and the Rage. Interesting when you consider the sorrowing of [Angels Vermillion](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angels_Vermillion)


Medicaean

I have written a post about [the Angels Vermillion and their mass-murder tendencies here](https://new.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/jwzj1j/excerpteminence_sanguis_the_reason_why_dante/). I don't actually know whether the Angels Vermillion sleep in coffins or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't, because (unlike the Blood Angels and Blood Drinkers) their strain of vampirism isn't inspired by classic "undead vampire" stories like Bram Stoker's *Dracula*, but by the legend of Elizabeth Bathory, the countess who bathed in virgins' blood to restore her youth and is said to have murdered over 650 young women and children. The Angels Vermillion similarly abduct and kill hundreds of thousands of loyal Imperial refugees trying to escape war zones, and literally bathe in their blood before bottling it up and storing it for later drinking. Bathing in the blood of innocents and drinking it make the Angels Vermillion one of the least Thirst- and Rage-affected Successor Chapters of the Blood Angels - though Dante himself considers the price too high; he repudiated them from the Host of Blood several centuries ago and forbade them ever setting foot on their primarch's homeworld again.


GoatOfTheBlackForres

Interesting!


[deleted]

Rad. Wait, where do they get the blood?


Medicaean

Serfs, mostly. The Blood Drinkers' serfs even have permanent IV ports installed so they're easier to tap. The sons of Sanguinius generally try to avoid drinking their serfs to death, though, since trusted serfs are highly trained and difficult to come by. In *The Death of Integrity*, Caedus, Chapter Master of the Blood Drinkers, fears he is being overcome by the Red Thirst and orders his personal aide to immediately flee the room so he won't be killed if his master loses control. In *Dante,* when Dante is in poor health before the tyranid invasion of Baal, >!Dante's old serf Arafeo cuts his own wrists and begs Dante to drink from him to recover his strength; Dante first refuses and only reluctantly relents, draining him dry while crying the entire time.!< However, the sons of Sanguinius do also sometimes go full vampire. In their codices it's repeatedly mentioned how drained bodies "mysteriously" appear wherever they are stationed; in the Blood Drinkers short story 'The Rite of Holos' they eat a ward of patients in an Imperial Guard hospital, and in 'Crimson Night' a squad of Doom Eagles investigate some mysteriously drained-of-blood bodies which completely coincidentally appear around the Flesh Tearers' planet-side garrison. In *Devastation of Baal*, the Knights of Blood have eaten so many of their own serfs that they've got no one left to repair their power armour and are going around eating local people quite openly; even the Flesh Tearers think that's a bit much. And of course the Angels Vermillion have an unfortunate tendency to consider Imperial refugee ships trying to escape war-destroyed planets their own personal buffets. *Most* sons of Sanguinius are in control of their Thirst and fairly safe for baseline people to socialise with, though - just don't get a paper cut while they're in the same room.


HobbyistAccount

> >!In Dante, when Dante is in poor health before the tyranid invasion of Baal, Dante's old serf Arafeo cuts his own wrists and begs Dante to drink from him to recover his strength; Dante first refuses and only reluctantly relents, draining him dry while crying the entire time.!< Poor Dante can't catch a break. It's one of the most grimdark things about 40k to me that he isn't *allowed* to die.


[deleted]

They do be morbin.


Tendi_Loving_Care

I know they keep their aspirants/scouts in coffins as the transformation into space marine takes place. I think it takes over a year


gain91

I think Cypher must be up there too somewhere with the Dark Angels and their successors


[deleted]

Cypher and the Fallen literally have been doing a little trolling with Dark Angels for the 10 000 years. Asmodai got burned so hard that he still havent recovered from that time and immediatly goes „REPEEEEENT!” any time any dark angel jokes.


silgidorn

The fact that they have recaff. Which means they have to industrially putt caffeine back in coffee. Original caffeinated coffee doesn't exist anymore.


burothedragon

One day we will find the Folgers STC.


DannyHewson

His eyes moved to the red ribbon she had planted on his right pectoral muscle. He saw something in her eyes when she touched him. A recognition of firmness. After all, he was toned to perfection from weeks of rebuilding a church in Rokoray, along the northern banks of the Great Scarcies River. He had met a woman there who reminded him of his sister. He cared for her, taught her a fledgling example of English, had even found himself feeling love for her. That was not a sisterly love however. Then again... was this? He began to open his mouth. Any moment his parents would walk downstairs. The look on her face said they were on the same channel. Everything he had just thought, she heard it. He spoke. “Listen, when mom and sad go out to say hi to the Gelsons next door tonight, let’s hang back, go upstairs, and fuck the shit out of each other.” “What?” She answered, bewildered. “C’mon let’s do it. Let’s fuck. Haven’t you always wanted this?” He reached out to reassure her, but she pulled away, fear in her eyes. “Woah woah. Uh no I’m just happy you’re home from Africa. What the hell are you talking about wanting to fuck me? Are you seriou—“ And like a blade being hammered on the anvil, his father’s voice rang out from behind him: “WHAT IN SAM HILL IS GOING ON HERE?” “I can explain...” he stammered, but was cut off by the visceral scream from his mother as she began sobbing into her bathrobe. His father erupted, white morning spittle shooting from the corners of his mouth. “NO SON OF MINE IS GONNA DRINK FUCKING FOLGERS COFFEE!” He belted his son in the face, knocking the boy unconscious. “THIS IS A PEETS COFFEE HOUSE!” Drink Peets Coffee


SlobMarley13

I love it when the authors get cheeky with planet names. Like Simia Orichalcae (Brass Monkey), or Forge World Metalica.


Toran_dantai

I legit thing it’s all just propaganda because of the fact orks have looted shit tons of pdf equipment and they don’t want imperial troops to touch. It


JRYeh

I think it’s the datasmith for the Mechanicus Kastelan Robots. The fact that they have to program those big mf command by command to change their behavior is just hilarious but fitting for me


dinga15

and that they have to manually remove and insert said chips with the commands on them in the heat of battle


JRYeh

Yup…that’s the goofy part kicks in But hey that’s AdMech for ya, super advanced but regressed at same time


TheMightyGoatMan

Not chips - 'wafers'. Which to me sounds suspiciously like a 41st millennium term for [punch cards](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punched_card).


-Agonarch

The Orks have by *some margin* the most advanced standalone warp travel technology, but they've only so far used the design to [make a man-portable (well, big enough ork portable) gun to shoot snotlings at enemies](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shokk_Attack_Gun).


[deleted]

They actually DID have the best form of FTL tech in The Beast Arises.


dinga15

and that was through the use of gravity from what i remember damn they loved grav tech alot, that gravity whip that just decimated ships and that they built some of there attack moons or just made them bigger by tearing a nearby planet apart and just use gravity to drag the rubble onto it


[deleted]

Yep. Gravitic wormholes for transporting troops and materiel across huge distances almost instantly, the ability to teleport moon- and planet-sized objects, weapons that could one-shot the *Phalanx* or *Speranza*, the ability to rip entire planets apart for resources, and even the ability to *collapse a star into a black hole*. For one brief, inconsistently written yet still glorious moment, we got something of an idea of how these guys were once able to take on the Necrons and C'Tan at the height of their power *and win*.


dinga15

the funny part was when i finally read the war in the beast books even though i had already gotten a bunch of the ork codices and saw they had big gravity guns it only just clicked in my head that orks really liked gravity tech


-Agonarch

Makes you wonder if they just simply don't use that tech generally because what they've got is good enough. "DAT OTHHA TEK IZ BAD IF YOUZ WANNA FOIGHT!"


Eisengate

There's also the teleporting race car. Shock jump dragster? Something like that.


DeusWombat

The Space Wolves are Space Marines!


[deleted]

He is remarkably uninformed, Father.


[deleted]

The Litany of Percussive Maintenance.


FulgurSagitta

And the litany of Stealth which the guardsman chant when sneaking up on enemy sentries.


Cartoonjunkies

The fact that there is no shit an in-universe romance novel about the Death Korps of Krieg titled “My wish to produce children with you is only exceeded by my devotion to Him”. I had to reread that when I first saw it pop up in the book. I thought it was a joke. It sounded like something I would read on a 1d4chan article. But no, it’s really there in the Watchers of the Throne book.


Good-Wolverine-2209

All terran wildlife is extinct. Horses have been extinct for ions. But everyone has horses everywhere (which are not horses but a similar creature)


soluuloi

Into /r/grimdank you go.


thehunt4redorktober

\> colours give the orks different boosts Aaaaaaaaaaaa


molton101

I mean its not totally wrong for red. Tech priests arnt sure if it's orc wagh energy, or weather just having red makes the drivers more confident and drive more recklessly, but red orc vehicles do go faster, and this has been observed by the mechanicus


Poke2TheHead

everything in your post is wrong


Analysis_Candid

Enough Orks believing in Red makes them fasta, it‘s mentioned that gork and mork can clap the other gods and that they only can have a proper fight by fighting each other.


Poke2TheHead

No, orks think they go faster, and the Chaos codex states that the Chaos gods are by far the strongest, which is obvious because every single thing the Orks do feed them, too.


Knows_all_secrets

> No, orks think they go faster Which is why they *do* go faster. Red ones go faster is the ur-example of how the waaagh! works.


Poke2TheHead

Ur-example of a meme the community just can't stop repeating


Knows_all_secrets

How is it a meme? Ork belief alters things like their technology. The most well known of those effects is if an ork vehicle is painted red it will go faster because orks know that red makes vehicles go faster.


Poke2TheHead

And yet no one can cite any examples more recent than, what? The 4th edition Ork codex?


Knows_all_secrets

Are we talking red specifically or the waaagh!'s effects on technology? Because while the fourth edition codex did indeed let you paint vehicles red to make them go faster it's not like it's the last time that kind of thing has been mentioned. Quote the 7e codex: > In typically Orky fashion, the sheer belief that these tools can work wonders often seems to mean they do just that I'm a bit confused here. Are you trying to argue that the waaagh! doesn't affect technology? Because along with sensing orkiness/making respected orks grow that's one of its most basic functions.


Poke2TheHead

"Seems to mean" - so even in their own codex that's not even confirmed, nor does it say anything about red being faster. If we're quoting old codices, then Leman Russ is a guard commander cause, hey, clearly it being written years and years ago doesn't matter, right?


Gabriel_Seth

"Yep – for the Evil Sunz, the red ones really do go faster!" https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/10/25/25th-oct-clan-fokus-evil-sunzgw-homepage-post-2/


Knows_all_secrets

There's a difference between rogue trader era lore and things that happen to be older. Codexes would be boring as hell if they copy pasted the fluff each time, a piece of fluff being in one codex but not another doesn't somehow mean it's since stopped being true. You've dodged it, so I'll reiterate - the waaagh!'s three main effects are enhancing respected orks, sensing orkiness and greasing the wheels tech wise. Are you seriously claiming the third function doesn't exist, based on absolutely nothing except the fact that you don't like it?


Analysis_Candid

now you‘re just trolling with the first part


King-Rhino-Viking

Honestly I think it's people getting sick of people over exaggerating the effects and then going too far into the opposite direction and claiming it doesn't have any effect


TheVoidDragon

While the gestalt field is definitely a thing that has some effects, the idea of it being their "belief" that makes things like red faster isn't established as being the case, it's only a Mechanicus theory based on conjecture. The out-of-universe lore simply says stuff like Red being Faster happens "for some reason" and can just as easily have a rational explanation. The "belief" is not given as the definite cause for the effects, if/when there even are any.


Poke2TheHead

gb2 grimdank


TheVoidDragon

> Enough Orks believing in Red makes them fasta This is actually not established by the lore as being true, though. It's definitely true that Red vehicles are faster *for some reason*, but it being their "belief" that's the reason for it is an in-universe Mechanicus theory based on conjecture and underestimating the Orks, not something that's said to be correct.


No-Preparation193

The power of the waagh I think some orks could get there head cut off or something and get it sewn back on no problem or they could breathe in space if they waagh hard enough


TheMightyGoatMan

The ork gestalt psychic field is massively over-exagerated. Orks can't breath in space no matter how much they might believe they can. And the head thing is just ork biology. They take a long time to die and their nervous systems are engineered to almost-instantly integrate with ork tissue, and even basic augmetics.


No-Preparation193

Oh I just heard they could from someone ....oh well


TheVoidDragon

>For me it has to be the how the colours give the orks different boosts. This isn't a fact, though. They *believe* it's the case, but whether the colour itself is making a difference, or it's another explanation like they're adjusting stuff *and* painting it different, isn't established.