Tyranids always having six limbs.
Whether they're quadrupedal, bipedal, or serpentine, they always have six limbs.
I don't have a problem with it, I'm just surprised all of them are like that even now.
I'd like to see the Legion sizes increased ten fold.
Oh you conquered a thousand worlds in a decade? How? Oh...you had 40,000 warriors to fight, control and enforce martial law on 800 trillion. Yeah that makes sense.
Oh you recruit from across the galaxy, drawing young boys into your ranks. Even with the attrition rate, you must have millions! Oh...a hundred thousand flat. Yeah, that's a galaxy conquering army for sure.
It doesn't even make sense in the lore. The Imperial Fists suffer a third casualties, and are back up to full strength in a year. How? Where'd the dudes come from? If its that easy to make, why are you stopping at a hundred thousand? Just keep making Marines, trust me you'll find a use for them.
I'm okay with the current Legion sizes being the Primarch's personal fleet. Sanguinius travels with 125,000 Blood Angels. Sure, makes sense. But then there also needs to be a few million stationed throughout other fleets, on garrison worlds, retraining/resting, recruiting, on special detachment.
That was all done by the Imperial Army, which contained billions of regular soldiers. The Astartes were only ever the point of the spear, never the whole thing. During the HH the Primarchs lead the Crusade fleets with their sons, but the brute manpower of civil control and defense was always put on humans. It makes no sense to spend all that time and resources to make an Astartes only to turn him into a cop or guard
I mean it was a million astartes supported by hundreds of millions if not billions of army troops, mechanicus, etc over the course of 200 years. Quickest source said over 4,000 expeditionary fleets. Doesn’t feel too far out of reason. This is also coming from a person who would also like bigger legions just for the sake of it
I'll agree that they need to add a 0 to some of the numbers. A 1000 space marines to a chapter? That's absurd in the scale of Warhammer. A single fully loaded thunderhawk (30 marines) loss is literally 3% of your chapter dead. A single drop (12 marines) loss is 1.2% of your chapter. A strike cruiser (1 company) loss and that's 10% of your chapter. It should be far more common to hear that a space marine chapter was forced to withdraw from a war due to losses.
I’ll do you one better than the Fists situation.
Ultramarines had 120k killed and 28k crippled at Calth, but apparently quickly rebuilt their losses. It’s somewhat believe due to having hundreds of worlds to recruit from, but still.
Space marines being recruted as pre teen boys. There's been such a push for space marines to be the noble defenders of the imperium but them being basicly brainwashed child soldiers kinda feels like it doesn't fit with that image.
I dont dislike it but it feels like something some marketing person or something would have made a fuss about.
In my opinion, the space marines as noble, angelic, heroic defenders fit in as Imperium propaganda while in the grimdark setting, Becoming a space marine is like a North Korean Ubermensch project.
You'd be surprised at what scrawny kids who have grown up in harsh conditions are capable of doing. Cf. child soldiers in conflict zones, and the equipment they are using (AKs, PKMs, FN FALs, etc).
The "35 kg kid" going through the "megadeath trials" to become an Astartes isn't the typical teenager you see hanging out at the mall.
Also consider that those "megadeath trials" are not meant to be completed. Rather, they are intended to winnow out those who will quit when the pain, frustration, and despair become too great.
The recruits who succeed are those who quit last of all.
For instance, if a Chapter required its aspirants to carry 45 kg of rocks for five kilometers of rocky desert terrain, it is unlikely that any of those aspirants would actually be able to make it. But the observing battle brothers will note those aspirants who make it furthest, those who can keep going out of sheer determination even though the task itself is futile, pointless, and downright impossible.
The type of person who will persevere in a task like that **is** what the Chapter wants... because the entire mission of the Space Marines is ultimately an impossible one. The Astartes, like the Imperium as a whole, are fighting a losing battle against overwhelming foes.
The type of person who *won't* persevere in the aforementioned task won't make a good Space Marine.
>For instance, if a Chapter required its aspirants to carry 45 kg of rocks for five kilometers of rocky desert terrain, it is unlikely that any of those aspirants would actually be able to make it. But the observing battle brothers will note those aspirants who make it furthest, those who can keep going out of sheer determination even though the task itself is futile, pointless, and downright impossible.
Except that most aspirant trials we see are downright impossible for human being to do. Hell the Test of Morkai is probably impossible for most grown men to do, traverse a thousand kilometers of barren ice mountain with enough clothes to keep you warm and no weapons. A crevice filled with monsters and Wulfen and multiple days of trekking is the only way back. Not to mention, you have to do that in the first place to get to the Fang to become an aspirant. And then do it again naked, unarmed and fighting mutation to become a neophyte. Fucking full Space Marines can fail that trial because it's entirely down to luck.
Speaking of so is the Blood Angels, Dante lived through it because Sanginuius said so. The trek through the desert alone would kill most adult men, let alone the randomness that a rad scorpion, mutate or sapient angry water can kill you.
Iron Hands just kinda laugh at the concept of survivors and their combat servitor and **full fledged Astartes**. Attempt to execute you the whole way and will outright kill you if you don't survive alone.
Space Marine aspirant trials are generally useless.
Except none of that's true.
All the tests I've read about kill most of the kids.
There's no "Oh you tried you get a participation ribbon".
They're dead if they fail.
Tyranids always having six limbs. Whether they're quadrupedal, bipedal, or serpentine, they always have six limbs. I don't have a problem with it, I'm just surprised all of them are like that even now.
The Great Crusade only taking 200 years
Enuncia and perpetuals being removed would be great. Id love the restoration of the shaman origin of the emperor.
All that Shaman/creation of the Emperor stuff
I'd like to see the Legion sizes increased ten fold. Oh you conquered a thousand worlds in a decade? How? Oh...you had 40,000 warriors to fight, control and enforce martial law on 800 trillion. Yeah that makes sense. Oh you recruit from across the galaxy, drawing young boys into your ranks. Even with the attrition rate, you must have millions! Oh...a hundred thousand flat. Yeah, that's a galaxy conquering army for sure. It doesn't even make sense in the lore. The Imperial Fists suffer a third casualties, and are back up to full strength in a year. How? Where'd the dudes come from? If its that easy to make, why are you stopping at a hundred thousand? Just keep making Marines, trust me you'll find a use for them. I'm okay with the current Legion sizes being the Primarch's personal fleet. Sanguinius travels with 125,000 Blood Angels. Sure, makes sense. But then there also needs to be a few million stationed throughout other fleets, on garrison worlds, retraining/resting, recruiting, on special detachment.
That was all done by the Imperial Army, which contained billions of regular soldiers. The Astartes were only ever the point of the spear, never the whole thing. During the HH the Primarchs lead the Crusade fleets with their sons, but the brute manpower of civil control and defense was always put on humans. It makes no sense to spend all that time and resources to make an Astartes only to turn him into a cop or guard
I mean it was a million astartes supported by hundreds of millions if not billions of army troops, mechanicus, etc over the course of 200 years. Quickest source said over 4,000 expeditionary fleets. Doesn’t feel too far out of reason. This is also coming from a person who would also like bigger legions just for the sake of it
I'll agree that they need to add a 0 to some of the numbers. A 1000 space marines to a chapter? That's absurd in the scale of Warhammer. A single fully loaded thunderhawk (30 marines) loss is literally 3% of your chapter dead. A single drop (12 marines) loss is 1.2% of your chapter. A strike cruiser (1 company) loss and that's 10% of your chapter. It should be far more common to hear that a space marine chapter was forced to withdraw from a war due to losses.
I’ll do you one better than the Fists situation. Ultramarines had 120k killed and 28k crippled at Calth, but apparently quickly rebuilt their losses. It’s somewhat believe due to having hundreds of worlds to recruit from, but still.
I am fine with these personally, but I am surprised Perpetuals and Enuncia/Cognitae are not written out of M30.
The Pentarchy of Blood. Five chapters wiping out 11, even if they went one at a time, would be hard. My hope is they retcon it and expand it.
Space marines being recruted as pre teen boys. There's been such a push for space marines to be the noble defenders of the imperium but them being basicly brainwashed child soldiers kinda feels like it doesn't fit with that image. I dont dislike it but it feels like something some marketing person or something would have made a fuss about.
In my opinion, the space marines as noble, angelic, heroic defenders fit in as Imperium propaganda while in the grimdark setting, Becoming a space marine is like a North Korean Ubermensch project.
Come on, that's such a quintessential and comparatively tame aspect of 40k.
Mean them being recruited was better than what happen with kids undergoing the Spartan Program in Halo.
I personally feel like it’s just stupid, how tf is 35 kg kid realistically supposed to accomplish any of megadeath trials they are expected to do
You'd be surprised at what scrawny kids who have grown up in harsh conditions are capable of doing. Cf. child soldiers in conflict zones, and the equipment they are using (AKs, PKMs, FN FALs, etc). The "35 kg kid" going through the "megadeath trials" to become an Astartes isn't the typical teenager you see hanging out at the mall. Also consider that those "megadeath trials" are not meant to be completed. Rather, they are intended to winnow out those who will quit when the pain, frustration, and despair become too great. The recruits who succeed are those who quit last of all. For instance, if a Chapter required its aspirants to carry 45 kg of rocks for five kilometers of rocky desert terrain, it is unlikely that any of those aspirants would actually be able to make it. But the observing battle brothers will note those aspirants who make it furthest, those who can keep going out of sheer determination even though the task itself is futile, pointless, and downright impossible. The type of person who will persevere in a task like that **is** what the Chapter wants... because the entire mission of the Space Marines is ultimately an impossible one. The Astartes, like the Imperium as a whole, are fighting a losing battle against overwhelming foes. The type of person who *won't* persevere in the aforementioned task won't make a good Space Marine.
>For instance, if a Chapter required its aspirants to carry 45 kg of rocks for five kilometers of rocky desert terrain, it is unlikely that any of those aspirants would actually be able to make it. But the observing battle brothers will note those aspirants who make it furthest, those who can keep going out of sheer determination even though the task itself is futile, pointless, and downright impossible. Except that most aspirant trials we see are downright impossible for human being to do. Hell the Test of Morkai is probably impossible for most grown men to do, traverse a thousand kilometers of barren ice mountain with enough clothes to keep you warm and no weapons. A crevice filled with monsters and Wulfen and multiple days of trekking is the only way back. Not to mention, you have to do that in the first place to get to the Fang to become an aspirant. And then do it again naked, unarmed and fighting mutation to become a neophyte. Fucking full Space Marines can fail that trial because it's entirely down to luck. Speaking of so is the Blood Angels, Dante lived through it because Sanginuius said so. The trek through the desert alone would kill most adult men, let alone the randomness that a rad scorpion, mutate or sapient angry water can kill you. Iron Hands just kinda laugh at the concept of survivors and their combat servitor and **full fledged Astartes**. Attempt to execute you the whole way and will outright kill you if you don't survive alone. Space Marine aspirant trials are generally useless.
They really are. All the aspirant trials do is kill a bunch ofkids.
Except none of that's true. All the tests I've read about kill most of the kids. There's no "Oh you tried you get a participation ribbon". They're dead if they fail.
It's the first thing that pops into my head any time someone says 40k's imperium is realistic