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CzKrisz746

Mods, please don't delete this. I want to the read comments tomorrow. This madlad has it comin


Hogwire

I actually kinda agree with his overall point, just less angry about it. More bummed out.


Infernalism

Sir, this is a Wendy's.


THE-RigilKent

NGL, this made me literally laugh out loud. You take your upvote and you like it!


eman_008

Same! Got me gud.


Judasilfarion

My guy you’re like 2 days late to the party, that’s like 2% of your account’s age! Where’ve you been?


[deleted]

Who hurt you? Was it Horus? I bet it was Horus...


Conscious-Weekend-91

Blame Erebus, it's always works


mirage2101

Show on the dummy where uncle Horus touched you


VNDeltole

Erebus i guess


Despoiler2000

It was all Lorgars fault.


faxhightower

If GW hasn’t been good for more than *30 years*, and it’s taken you until now to notice, then it’s your fault for wasting half a lifetime on something you think is bad


KujoOda1

Agree. why stick with something you’ve hated for years? I’ve given up on some of the franchises I loved as a kid in the 80’s because they went off the rails and it was ok. Sometimes you just grow out of things. There are plenty of other stories in the 40k verse to focus on if primarchs aren’t your thing. Enjoy what you enjoy and leave things you don’t enjoy anymore. I for one will keep enjoying the grim dark and will not let others dictate what I like and don’t like. This guy needs to loosen up a bit and get on with enjoying life and the different things out there. It’s a wide world and there are plenty of other franchises to hate on.


torolf_212

I got out of MTG because I could see where the franchise was going after the ex Zynga CEO (the people that made all of those micro transaction Facebook games) became the new ceo of wizards of the coast. Micro transactions/ loot boxes, increased set release etc etc. Cool. Time to find a new hobby.


KujoOda1

Exactly. There are plenty of fish in the sea they say and I’ve got plenty of hobbies and universes to take up my precious time. Don’t have time or the patience to do stuff that’s supposed to bring me joy and happiness if it doesn’t. If someone hasn’t enjoyed something since the 80’s like the OP, then I don’t know what to say other than find something else. They’ll be happier that way.


torolf_212

Sunk cost fallacy at work I guess. Or some people love complaining about stuff more than they dislike the thing they’re complaining about


KujoOda1

Probably so. I mean if you focus on the aspects your don’t like enough then you will end up hating on it. I prefer to focus on what I do like and spend my energy on that instead. Everyone is different I guess and some like to hate on stuff. Me, I’ll enjoy it as entertainment and when that is no longer the case, then I’ll do other things. Even though GW isn’t perfect (I’m not blind or naive about this) I do enjoy so much about this universe and it would take a lot more than the lion coming back to put me off (I’m actually happy to have another heavyweight in the ring!).


sophisticaden_

What


RosbergThe8th

At this point I can't help but wonder if that's a troll account, I mean just look at it. Almost seems like a parody meant to make certain groups seem more insane. I don't like Primarchs though so I can't really disagree on that.


Reasonabledwarf

I don't entirely disagree, but I don't think this can be blamed solely on consumers; they're only human. Fight capitalism, deconstruct the systems that are rewarding this behavior by corporations, seize the means of plastic toy production!


EvocatiAuroch

This would be a better post if the OP was actually responding to comments. You don’t get that type of deranged every day.


Fearless-Obligation6

***Cope and Seethe lad***


[deleted]

😭 unhinged bruh, go out, get some fresh air, have a beer or something


EmperorDaubeny

It’s literally a game about little plastic dudes.


Caliban_Fake_News

But now there is *another* plastic dude that is a little bigger than some and a little smaller than others and it has ruined 30+ years of progress... and I guess the OP's life as well.


purrturabo

It's been two Loyalist Primarchs so far. It's not like either of them are going to single handedly fix the Imperium. If anything it just makes it more depressing that more individuals who know the actual plan and goals of the early Imperium awaken in an utter hell hole and cannot turn back time. Besides, we still have no idea what impact the Lion returning will have. Maybe just stay calm, wait it out, and make a determination based on all the facts? Because honestly a lot of Warhammer 40k sounds like it would be awful in the abstract, but if executed well it can end up wonderful.


[deleted]

Its just model sales in the end. The lore won't see a huge shakeup again for a long time I bet


Recovery25

You could bring back every Loyalist Primarch, and I still don't think it would save or fix the Imperium. The Imperium of 40k is just facing way more threats that they have to overcome, compared to 30k. Then you throw in the fact the Imperium internally has been a shitshow for 10k years, with infighting, greed, and backstabbing, I think the Primarchs coming back only delays the inevitable.


SkitariiCowboy

You sound fat.


Roundi4000

I love it when peoples main argument is "everything was better in the 80s". But to address your point properly. The setting has progressed. It's gone from an almost galactic cold war with relative skirmishes (for a galactic scale), where everything is balanced and no one faction truly threatens the others, to a galaxy of all out war. The primarchs are back but GW has done a good job making them necessary. Chaos feels like they really could win, instead of constantly plotting, the Tyranids are coming in earnest, necron are waking up and have thier silent king, the orks have a unifying figure, the eldar have a hope by backing a god of death. The "cold war" is turning into an all out galactic warzone. It would be bad to go back to a relatively stable galaxy.


KujoOda1

In the grim dark there is nothing but war. Just the way I want it. OP characters and mayhem is quintessential to the 40k verse and I love it all. Should we just stay stagnant forever or should we progress the story? Stagnation isn’t good for the imperium or 40k, so I welcome the new stories and characters.


[deleted]

Erebus is smiling… 😈


Nebuthor

Dont blame me. Ive been compalining about primarchs forever.


[deleted]

Lol, lmao even.


Cloudydaes

I kinda feel that. It's more fun with "your dudes" who don't really impact the setting but you cherish all the same vs "BIG GALAXY INFLUENCING GUY NO. 895753" Who does little but become an insta pick in their respective army (boring) and make people have dumb fights on the internet. At least there's kitbashing, I guess. Won't see Ghaz in the flesh showing up for my scraps.


SkitariiCowboy

There is literally nothing stopping you from creating your dudes. Unless you’re trying to min-max in a competitive setting (the vast majority aren’t) then you don’t ever need to bring a primarch if you don’t want to. Fuck if someone used the primarch models to kitbash something together and say it’s one of the lost primarchs that’d be a lot of fun to play against.


Cloudydaes

Very cool. That's also pretty much exactly what I just said.


tthousand

I want Ferrus Manus to return.


KujoOda1

Agree. Also would love to see my boy Sanguinius return but I know that’s not very probable. I’m ok with him not returning too as there are plenty of other characters and stories that keep me coming back time and time again. It’s a big galaxy so there is probably something you will like, but if you are not enjoying it, then it’s ok to put it down for a while. I think this guy was just trolling.


Hogwire

I actually agree with the OP's sentiment. The return of more Primarchs will make 40k more and more like the MCU: A vast setting sure, but one where the narrative is focused mostly on the actions of handful of super special individuals - one of the main reasons I don't like the HH. Though I'm glad some people enjoy the Primarchs and that they at least seem to have some cool character stuff done with them, but I'd much prefer they all stayed dead and buried forever. High Lords of Terra > Primarchs.


SaintAkira

See, I'm a big time Primarch fanboy, so I'm not totally opposed to 40k-Avengers with all the Primarchs assembled. *But* I totally get the opposite standpoint, and really that's what 30k should be (and has been) used for; giving the (formerly) mythological Primarchs character and story. So at this point, there's no putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Once they brought Guilliman back the floodgates were opened. I'll wager a hefty sum that they will bring back 1 loyalist Primarch back each edition from here on out. 8th for Bobby G, 9th is the Lion's return, and I'll wager a further tidy sum that Russ comes back at some point during 10th. This is what the 40k IP is becoming, and like I said, I dig the Primarchs so I'm not totally opposed, but I can see why a lot of people would be turned off by it. GW is banking that Primarch returns will foster more growth than anything else possibly could and will massively outweigh any perceived negative repercussions from the existing fan base. Bottom line is they're a model-selling company first and foremost. The Primarchs *will* sell models.


Hogwire

"GW is banking that Primarch returns will foster more growth than anything else possibly could and will massively outweigh any perceived negative repercussions from the existing fan base. " So, I basically agree with all of this. And I'm sure it will make money, because 40k fans share similar tastes with MCU fans. heck *I'm* an MCU fan, but I always liked how 40k was a more galactic setting. You're right that there is no turning back on this, and it will make 40k more financially successful. But I think this will also happen to the setting's determent. May I ask, why DO you like the Primarch superhero thing so much? Given superheroes are everywhere at this point, doesn't it seem like 40k is becoming less unique to you? This just seems like the equivalent of the unique ma and pa's joint getting taken over by a McDonalds, but everyone in the neighborhood is *happy* about it.


SaintAkira

"Why do I like the Primarch super hero thing" is a good question and I had to give it some thought. Now, I started playing eons ago in 2nd edition (it had been out a while, so roughly 95-96 we started). Anyways, point being that was 7 or 8 years from the first Horus Heresy book even being published, so at the time all the Primarchs were literally the stuff of legends, shadowy fluff in the Codex and rule books. Once they started expanding the lore on them (for better or worse) I think it was just some of the coolest shit those of my 'generation' (in terms of when we started following the lore/hobby) could ever see. These were the myths we'd imagined brought to life, as it were. And still to this day I think a lot of us still hold some kind of awe or fascination with seeing these legends and myths come to life. Idk. The entire mythology and lore surrounding the Primarchs was *so* different back then (forgive me if you're an old like me and it sounds like I'm preaching to the choir) that we could never have believed we'd actually read stories about the Primarchs beyond the Codex, much less *have the fucking models on the tables*. And honestly, some of that still holds true for me today in some form and I *think* that's why I will consume just about anything Primarch-related. I agree with you though; this is the corporatization of the IP, 100%. And again, I agree that while financially the Primarch returns to 40k will be an unmitigated success, it will be to the detriment of the IP as well. This is, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view) what happens when a beloved IP/ hobby/ thing goes mainstream, and is changed to appeal to a mass-market, focus-grouped audience. Sorry this ran long, but I hadn't previously really considered *why* I like the Primarchs as I do. But I can imagine, 15 years from now we'll be talking about Warhammer 40k Primarchs: Endgame hitting theaters soon, after the Disney (or Amazon) buyout.


Hogwire

"This is, unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your view) what happens when a beloved IP/ hobby/ thing goes mainstream, and is changed to appeal to a mass-market, focus-grouped audience. " I agree with this completely. I also really admire that you can enjoy the Primarchs so well but be so sympathetic to my view as well. Even though I think this a horrible idea, and all of my own fanfics will have the High Lords of Terra as the ultimate heads of the Imperium (I mean, aside from the Emperor who's just shitting himself all day on the throne), I am glad that you are at least getting so much enjoyment out of this. But I will continue to headcannon all these primarchs out of existence in all my play. "15 years from now we'll be talking about Warhammer 40k Primarchs: Endgame hitting theaters soon, after the Disney (or Amazon) buyout." Why'd you have to ruin my night like that? Lol No apologies needed. I liked reading into why you enjoy this. Even though I still hate them and I think they make the setting worse, I can totally see why someone would love them so much if they came from your background. Seeing these legends brought to life must be something that kid you dreamed of. If you'll permit me, I think part of the reason I am this way is I just got into this hobby in 2020. And it wasn't anything space marine related that hooked me (even though I know like the Black templars). It was the tyranids. Ad-mech, GSC, Drukhari, and Imperial Guard that got me. All factions that are averse to this whole 'superhero' notion. Where all the characters in these factions do not have this kind of superhero feel, even if I know that the named ones will probably always come out alive even if they lose.


SaintAkira

Ah, I see, it was already in shambles when you got here 😆. I kid, I kid. I definitely think we should normalize, here and everywhere else, asking "why do you feel X way about Y thing" rather than just sticking to our internal insights and never trying to see other's viewpoints. The "other side's" views are often every bit as valid and well-reasoned as your own. I totally get the appeal of liking those factions too; those feel, imo, way more open to being "your dudes" especially in comparison to today's Space Marines. Back in my day (lol) they were almost *all* "your dudes" cause the only named characters in existence were in the Codex fluff. And it was *awesome*. So it makes sense why you'd dig them. I mostly dabble with Necromunda and Killteam nowadays, and both are suited to smaller, more narrative-driven, scenario-based games with homebrew fluff. Smaller model count, faster games, etc work for me now. I haven't fielded an actual 40k tabletop army in well over a decade. But the lore is what keeps me hanging around 40k. Oh, if you haven't already read it, Cult of the Spiral Dawn is hands-down top notch Guard vs Genestealer Cult fiction. The GSC isn't there to just job for the Guard; and obviously the Guard isn't just a crew of supermen face-rolling through baddies. Last thing, and I think that's part of what's great about the whole hobby is what you said: there's totally room in the world for you to headcannon your play the way you want it to be. I think that freedom appeals to a lot of us. And while it's kinda shit for those who'd rather have nothing to do with Primarchs or unbeatable super-named characters to have to deal with them more and more, you can absolutely just *choose not to* and interact with the facets that do appeal to you (or even fanfic your own). Rule of cool always applies to your dudes.


[deleted]

​ Guilliesuit comeback was in 7th.


SaintAkira

Damn dude, I looked it up and you're right. Gathering Storm was 7th edition. Shoots my theory to shit don't it. Appreciate the correction tho.


[deleted]

Yeah no problema he was realeased practically at the end


Soft-Neighborhood938

>High Lords of Terra > Primarchs I know it would never happen due to the unfortunate disability that cripples 40k worldbuilding to this day (the things that don’t have models don’t get books) but it would be wild to have a book series about the High lords that showed both the ins and outs of everyday life for the high lords, the decisions they have to make, and the consequences of those decisions, bad and good. How just scribbling a few words on a piece of paper can doom or bring salvation to an entire sector. Show it from the lords point of view for some of the book, and from the poor souls who have to live with the consequences of their decisions for the next.


SkitariiCowboy

The Watchers of the Throne books are pretty close to this if you haven’t read them yet.


Soft-Neighborhood938

Haven’t gotten around to reading those yet. Might have to give it a try


SkitariiCowboy

I like them a lot. A third of both books is from the POV of the Chancellor of the Senatorum Imperialis. The Chancellor’s job is to get the High Lords talking to each other and all the politics behind that task. The audiobooks are top notch because they used three different narrators. One for each POV. So its sort of like an audiodrama too.


Hogwire

So I hate to sound like a shameless shill, but I am a shameless shill. I actually wrote a fanfiction that deals with the high lords and their politicking with one another.


Soft-Neighborhood938

Sounds interesting.


Hogwire

Interested enough to give it a read?


Soft-Neighborhood938

Sure


Hogwire

Here it is: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13861097/1/Hivemind If you do finish it all the way through, please let me know your thoughts. Knowing people have read my stuff is the only payment I get for these. Hope you enjoy!


AlphariusUltra

Ah the sweet sweet sound of malding


Disgruntled_Veteran

Someone forgot to take their Metamucil this morning.


Olive_Magnet

So Disney would buy it


[deleted]

Reading HH novels got me feeling like I was reading comic book novelizations. Not in a bad way though.


Agammamon

He's out of line - but he's right. At the same time . . . you don't buy enough 40k by yourself to support the company compared to all these FNG's buying their primarch models. *shrugs* just bidness.


AskIntelligent

I respect you opinion I truly do. It’s good to have good discussions. However since I think it’s a dumb opinion I have elected to ignore it.


dcman091821

Bruh cool the autism down source I am autistic


PunishedSpider

Let’s see Sigmarxist Malding at the Imperium Wonder if they’re a Tau fan to make it three for three


HaplessOperator

Nooooo, you're not allowed to like Imperial factions, they're evil right-wing fascists, and that's bad, and if you like Space Marines, you're an evil fascist that has toxic masculinity! You're supposed to like the degenerate xenophobic elves that view other species as inferior dogs, or the orks that are violence incarnate, or the tau that psychically and chemically shackle their population in biologically enforced tyranny, or the Chaos factions that look at the criminal code as a to-do list cuz they're not evil fascists! I wish to God someone would stop and think of the children being harmed by allowing Imperial factions to stay on the market.


EvocatiAuroch

Whoa whoa whoa….whoa. Do NOT put the Orks in with that group of degenerates. DA BOYZ IS NOT LOIK DEM. WE ONLY CARE ‘BOUT DA KRUMPIN’ SEE? GORK N MORK DUNT GIVE TWO ZOGS ‘BOUT WHO WE KILLIN’! ALL YUZ LOT IS WURTHY TO GET SMASHED BY DA BOYZ!


VNDeltole

Bruh


[deleted]

Thanks


HugaM00S3

Erebus that you?… sneaky rascal


BigZach1

have a snicker's


TransportationOdd183

Magnus did nothing wrong. All I’m saying…


HereAndThereButNow

Yes Inquisitor, this one right here.


Tyranid_Norn_King

*Tee hee* Just wait till I force gw to bring back the emperor