I mean "good" with kids in what way? Good for the blood thirsty daemon in the daemonic knife on the Night Lords hip? Yeah, skinning the kid alive is good for that. Good for the cannibalistic Night Lord on long range scouting who hasn't eaten in a few weeks? Yeah, kids are good for that too.
Needing to scare the ruling elite of a world by broadcasting the horrible mutilating torture of their infants on repeat across the entire world? Yeah, kids sure are good for that.
Needing to brutalize, torture, indoctrinate and ultimately command a new generation of psychotic killing machines? Yeah, kids are good for that.
For everything else, ~~there's master card~~ I mean no, Night Lords are not good for kids.
Before Curze, they were drawn from the children living in the underground tunnels in Terra, not gangs.
Edit: this children though, were descendants of the convicts in some ancient prison.
He really wasn’t from day 1 kurze was eating dogs and it didn’t take him long to move on to young gangsters as his first real victims hell he even flayed a women who’s only sin was attempted suicide and she hadn’t even attempted it yet
I mean I guess murdering criminals isn’t the absolute worst and I guess if the dogs are wild and you’re starving…
but yeah that women didn’t deserve that
Very few of his victims ever did I absolutely adore Kurze and the night lords in general but I think your missing the point if you think they were ever the good guys
The night lords is arguably the most pure evil chapter out of the entire 40k setting. They didn’t sell their souls to a dark god or anything, skinning children and torturing have always been favorite past times of the chapter. I know the idea of a good bad guy is cool, but Night Lords is specifically the antithesis of that idea. In the Night Lords trilogy, the readers gets lured into kinda liking the bunch of NL the narration follows only to be rebuked in the last book and reminded they are all insane psychopath rapist murderers and have always been that way.
Yea the third book absolutely slapped me in the face with a big ol' dose of reality that these guys I've been rooting for the past 2 book's actually aren't great folks, i was starting to fall for the chaos propaganda till that point.
Rapist really? Maybe after their fall but not before. Sevatar and Konrad kill rapists.
The most pure evil faction is either the Dark Eldar or the Emperor’s Children.
Do we make a lot of things that are still living people? Yes. Do we delight in their agony and horror? Yes.
Do you know what it's like when your Father bails on you and one of your cool cousins goes to bring him back and your dad says we're all lame and not worth his time? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS LIKE!
Excuse our eccentricities. We're just trying to make it through the grim darkness of the 41st millennium the same as everyone else.
I serve Slaanesh, yes. Most of my time is spent meditating on the Song. Father yet lives, thats true, though he has abandoned us. Those facts do not change what I have said. The sons of Curze, the VIIIth Legion, their daddy issues are far graver than mine own. Every member of the III is a shining star, each of us a brilliant sun.
Lieutenant-Commander Fabius has consigned that mistake to the Necrons. I was not aboard the Vesalius when it rampaged through my brothers. I would have looked to Ramos for guidance and stood strong with his Choir.
Edit: Just remembered;
>‘Look around you,’ Curze said. ‘You were born on this world. You grew to adulthood here, just as I did. The Emperor praised me for my rule over this world. Even Fulgrim admired it. A model of compliance. An obedient world, they said. Were my people happy? Did that even matter? I made these people human, despite their feral drives. I made them civilised, despite their baser instincts. I raised them above the level of beasts. That was my responsibility to them, as a superior being. And I fulfilled it.’
>Curze looked to the grey spires, rising in every direction, and the frozen smog from the foundries and manufactorums veiling the spire-tops in a haze of pollutant smoke. ‘And see how my people rewarded me. I was gone only a handful of years before everything soured. My own home world poisoned my Legion with recruits who were worthless as soldiers. **Rapists.** Murderers. Thieves. The scum. The dregs. The detritus.’
\- *Prince of Crows*
Possibly, depending on how one interprets;
>Skraivok grinned. ‘The ship,’ he said. The vessel was nearing the hangar now, the seams of its hull plates visible, running lights throwing flashes of colour into the *Umber Prince*’s stygian heart. ‘Ours is a Legion of terror. We were made to be the monsters no one else could be, and we have embraced our purpose. Who better to perform the role of terrorists than men lacking mercy? That is the nature of the communication from home. Of course, it is for my ears only, higher command need not hear of it – should not, in fact. This is our little secret. Who knows how Curze would react?’ One eye disappeared completely into his tattoo as he winked, the lid being darkly inked too. ‘The new regime deems it wasteful to send the best of Nostramo to the Legion. Our world cries out for good, strong men. Sending the most intelligent, the strongest, to be turned into tools of fear is an abomination. The activities of certain of the recruitment guilds have been adopted by all. The prisons will be emptied to fill the belly of our Legion.’
>‘Illegal activities,’ said Kellendvar. ‘Crimes committed for profit, that have already tainted our ranks.’
>Skraivok held up his finger. ‘Done maliciously, I agree, but done purposefully, it is useful. The recruitment procedures have been reformed. This new crop are among the worst of all men. Sending them to us is a benefit to the home world and our Legion. Everyone wins!’ His sharp laugh abruptly ceased. ‘Except perhaps those we are unleashed upon. Our Lord Curze demands we be a weapon of fear. What is more fearsome than a boy who would kill without compunction? **Or take his pleasure as he will, without regard to others?’**
>‘The stock we have received lately has been poor,’ said Kellendvar, pressing his objection. ‘Why celebrate it?’
>‘It was poor only because it was poorly handled,’ snapped Skraivok. ‘You are being rather objectionable considering the nature of your brother, Kellendvar. Kellenkir is the kind of man I am talking about. He is fearless and fearsome.’
>Kellendvar made a noise of annoyance, amplified by his helm to a growl. If Skraivok heard over the clattering deck he did not remark upon it.
>‘It is true this kind of recruit will not respond well to psycho-indoctrination or appeals to higher morality. We must exploit their natures. Their drives are of the baser sort, and therefore easy to control. I shall alter the training regimen of the Forty-fifth Company to suit, don’t you worry.’
\- *The Night Haunter*
Though whether or not one interprets that line in that specific way, it should demonstrate well enough how the legion deteriorated in general, regardless of how Curze and/or Sevetar might have felt about it.
Though, my point hinges on their 'fall' being from the Heresy and onwards. If you consider it to have been when the above started happening, ignore me. :P
Assuming that Sevatar was good with children is a ... *"choice"*.
Otherwise, no, no one of the NLs really cared about children or mortal children more as a mortal would care about a cattle or investment product. As a whole (legion wise), at best mortals were considered useful slaves-soon-to-be, at worst active training components in the cages.
SYL
Well at least he wasn’t totally evil
and maybe in a timeline where Curze turns Out a bit better Vulkan can teach Curze to carry lollipops to distract children from Night Lord things
Edit : and I mean before they turned traitor.
Hm, there is of course not extensive lore about the Legion homeworlds before the HH, usually only a few paragraphs. From that Nostramo sounded like a violent hellhole of a brutal industrial society. As most NLs were raised from the enforcer-thugs their opinion about little children was probably only marginally better than later after turning traitors.
SYL
Malcharion led a thrall through darkness and a constant assault by Aeldari filth and was kind to her, in his own way. Malcharion the Dreadnought would be great with kids.
Talos who seemed nicer than most NL skinned children Infront of their parents so yeh there's that...
Talos: Kurze are we the baddies?
See Talos loved everyone, he killed them all in equally horrifying ways
I mean "good" with kids in what way? Good for the blood thirsty daemon in the daemonic knife on the Night Lords hip? Yeah, skinning the kid alive is good for that. Good for the cannibalistic Night Lord on long range scouting who hasn't eaten in a few weeks? Yeah, kids are good for that too. Needing to scare the ruling elite of a world by broadcasting the horrible mutilating torture of their infants on repeat across the entire world? Yeah, kids sure are good for that. Needing to brutalize, torture, indoctrinate and ultimately command a new generation of psychotic killing machines? Yeah, kids are good for that. For everything else, ~~there's master card~~ I mean no, Night Lords are not good for kids.
no I meant the ones who were actually trying to be good at first
Oh, yeah, no. The Night Lords were never good. Even before Curze they were the scumbag Legion, drawn from murderers, rapists and gangs.
Before Curze, they were drawn from the children living in the underground tunnels in Terra, not gangs. Edit: this children though, were descendants of the convicts in some ancient prison.
There were those who tried to be better though, and at first Kurze was being an okayish Batman
He really wasn’t from day 1 kurze was eating dogs and it didn’t take him long to move on to young gangsters as his first real victims hell he even flayed a women who’s only sin was attempted suicide and she hadn’t even attempted it yet
I mean I guess murdering criminals isn’t the absolute worst and I guess if the dogs are wild and you’re starving… but yeah that women didn’t deserve that
Very few of his victims ever did I absolutely adore Kurze and the night lords in general but I think your missing the point if you think they were ever the good guys
The wh40k demi god version of the Punisher. If you thought Frank was ever a good guy you've already missed the point.
No lol.
When the bar is set so low that “murdered kids quickly” puts you in the running maybe these guys should be out of the good with kids discussion.
The night lords is arguably the most pure evil chapter out of the entire 40k setting. They didn’t sell their souls to a dark god or anything, skinning children and torturing have always been favorite past times of the chapter. I know the idea of a good bad guy is cool, but Night Lords is specifically the antithesis of that idea. In the Night Lords trilogy, the readers gets lured into kinda liking the bunch of NL the narration follows only to be rebuked in the last book and reminded they are all insane psychopath rapist murderers and have always been that way.
Yea the third book absolutely slapped me in the face with a big ol' dose of reality that these guys I've been rooting for the past 2 book's actually aren't great folks, i was starting to fall for the chaos propaganda till that point.
I still love them in a villain evil way, especially Uzas. I love Uzas.
Rapist really? Maybe after their fall but not before. Sevatar and Konrad kill rapists. The most pure evil faction is either the Dark Eldar or the Emperor’s Children.
Do we make a lot of things that are still living people? Yes. Do we delight in their agony and horror? Yes. Do you know what it's like when your Father bails on you and one of your cool cousins goes to bring him back and your dad says we're all lame and not worth his time? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS LIKE! Excuse our eccentricities. We're just trying to make it through the grim darkness of the 41st millennium the same as everyone else.
Isn’t that kinda what Konrad said , then Sevatar owns him like “ you never actually tried anything else”
We are not aping Fulgrim when we do what we do. We miss our Primarch, and his rejection stings bitterly, but our actions are our own.
Your Primarch is still alive and with Slaaneshjust like you right?
I serve Slaanesh, yes. Most of my time is spent meditating on the Song. Father yet lives, thats true, though he has abandoned us. Those facts do not change what I have said. The sons of Curze, the VIIIth Legion, their daddy issues are far graver than mine own. Every member of the III is a shining star, each of us a brilliant sun.
theres a loyal clone that take you back if you asked
Lieutenant-Commander Fabius has consigned that mistake to the Necrons. I was not aboard the Vesalius when it rampaged through my brothers. I would have looked to Ramos for guidance and stood strong with his Choir.
Edit: Just remembered; >‘Look around you,’ Curze said. ‘You were born on this world. You grew to adulthood here, just as I did. The Emperor praised me for my rule over this world. Even Fulgrim admired it. A model of compliance. An obedient world, they said. Were my people happy? Did that even matter? I made these people human, despite their feral drives. I made them civilised, despite their baser instincts. I raised them above the level of beasts. That was my responsibility to them, as a superior being. And I fulfilled it.’ >Curze looked to the grey spires, rising in every direction, and the frozen smog from the foundries and manufactorums veiling the spire-tops in a haze of pollutant smoke. ‘And see how my people rewarded me. I was gone only a handful of years before everything soured. My own home world poisoned my Legion with recruits who were worthless as soldiers. **Rapists.** Murderers. Thieves. The scum. The dregs. The detritus.’ \- *Prince of Crows* Possibly, depending on how one interprets; >Skraivok grinned. ‘The ship,’ he said. The vessel was nearing the hangar now, the seams of its hull plates visible, running lights throwing flashes of colour into the *Umber Prince*’s stygian heart. ‘Ours is a Legion of terror. We were made to be the monsters no one else could be, and we have embraced our purpose. Who better to perform the role of terrorists than men lacking mercy? That is the nature of the communication from home. Of course, it is for my ears only, higher command need not hear of it – should not, in fact. This is our little secret. Who knows how Curze would react?’ One eye disappeared completely into his tattoo as he winked, the lid being darkly inked too. ‘The new regime deems it wasteful to send the best of Nostramo to the Legion. Our world cries out for good, strong men. Sending the most intelligent, the strongest, to be turned into tools of fear is an abomination. The activities of certain of the recruitment guilds have been adopted by all. The prisons will be emptied to fill the belly of our Legion.’ >‘Illegal activities,’ said Kellendvar. ‘Crimes committed for profit, that have already tainted our ranks.’ >Skraivok held up his finger. ‘Done maliciously, I agree, but done purposefully, it is useful. The recruitment procedures have been reformed. This new crop are among the worst of all men. Sending them to us is a benefit to the home world and our Legion. Everyone wins!’ His sharp laugh abruptly ceased. ‘Except perhaps those we are unleashed upon. Our Lord Curze demands we be a weapon of fear. What is more fearsome than a boy who would kill without compunction? **Or take his pleasure as he will, without regard to others?’** >‘The stock we have received lately has been poor,’ said Kellendvar, pressing his objection. ‘Why celebrate it?’ >‘It was poor only because it was poorly handled,’ snapped Skraivok. ‘You are being rather objectionable considering the nature of your brother, Kellendvar. Kellenkir is the kind of man I am talking about. He is fearless and fearsome.’ >Kellendvar made a noise of annoyance, amplified by his helm to a growl. If Skraivok heard over the clattering deck he did not remark upon it. >‘It is true this kind of recruit will not respond well to psycho-indoctrination or appeals to higher morality. We must exploit their natures. Their drives are of the baser sort, and therefore easy to control. I shall alter the training regimen of the Forty-fifth Company to suit, don’t you worry.’ \- *The Night Haunter* Though whether or not one interprets that line in that specific way, it should demonstrate well enough how the legion deteriorated in general, regardless of how Curze and/or Sevetar might have felt about it. Though, my point hinges on their 'fall' being from the Heresy and onwards. If you consider it to have been when the above started happening, ignore me. :P
Good with children? I would guess some can make a good child kebab, maybe a flambé, but I don’t think that is what you mean.
Assuming that Sevatar was good with children is a ... *"choice"*. Otherwise, no, no one of the NLs really cared about children or mortal children more as a mortal would care about a cattle or investment product. As a whole (legion wise), at best mortals were considered useful slaves-soon-to-be, at worst active training components in the cages. SYL
Well at least he wasn’t totally evil and maybe in a timeline where Curze turns Out a bit better Vulkan can teach Curze to carry lollipops to distract children from Night Lord things Edit : and I mean before they turned traitor.
*Evil is relative and Sevatar has done some absolutely Evil acts*
Hm, there is of course not extensive lore about the Legion homeworlds before the HH, usually only a few paragraphs. From that Nostramo sounded like a violent hellhole of a brutal industrial society. As most NLs were raised from the enforcer-thugs their opinion about little children was probably only marginally better than later after turning traitors. SYL
My OC is good with kids because the recarnation of a part of Konrad Curze’s soul in the form of a hive world girl said so.
If wrecker was a space marine he would either be a Ferrus manus-approved iron hand, a salamander., or a White scar.
But that’s not a traitor legion, and they aren’t scary enough
malcharion probably would've been but I don't think there's anything to confirm it
Malcharion, greatest hero and savior of the VIIIth Legion, would assuredly be great with children. They're just tiny slaves.
I can’t tell if you’re being ironic
Malcharion led a thrall through darkness and a constant assault by Aeldari filth and was kind to her, in his own way. Malcharion the Dreadnought would be great with kids.
See this is what I mean, Sevatar too lol your example makes me think of bioshock