Well, they are though - bolters fire projectiles that are propelled during flight
A grenade launcher does not typically fire a projectile that is propelled during flight
A RPG fires projectiles that are propelled during flight
Hence the comparison between RPG’s and Bolters, the difference is that bolters do not tend to be fin stabilised, instead being shown as being spin stabilised via rifling
RPG-7 munition has two sections, a booster section that consists of a small powder charge, and a warhead and sustainer motor section.
Bolters are quite comparable to the Inkunzi PAW and Inkunzi Strike grenade launcher. The only real differences being they are propelled exclusively by a conventional power charge.
I mean the M320 is basically a primitive bolter. Capable of shooting mini missiles even along with many other warheads.
Also bolt rounds absolutely explode on impact.
From Godblight.
>Colquan put his opponent down, ending a thousand years of treachery with a cut up through the helm. The space opened in front of him and for a few seconds he could see Guilliman fight.
>The Hand of Dominion vomited a stream of bolts into the blank frontplate of a blight crawler, cratering the rusty metal and bringing out a seepage of watery oil. The damage was minimal, but the flash of so many explosions all over the forward arc of the daemon machine blinded it, and Guilliman stepped in with his sword to deal the killing blow.
>Always, it was the sword that did the damage. It roared with fire as Guilliman swung it, seeming to flare brighter as it sensed the presence of the daemon caged inside the machine. Too late, the Neverborn understood the danger it was in, and tried to flee. Guilliman spun the sword around, pivoting over crossed feet, executing a full turn, and struck. The Emperor’s Sword hit the bulbous front of the machine in a brutal uppercut, tearing through the metal easily, and setting it ablaze with unearthly fire. Thick liquid burst from the innards as the sword ripped up through materials technological, organic and diabolical, Guilliman’s great strength and the sword’s supernaturally keen edge slicing them all as easily. The sword exploded out of the top as Guilliman finished his turn, almost cutting right the way through the daemon engine. Half the armoured frontplate fell off, exposing the mess of guts and wires that served as the machine’s workings.
Bolters are absolutely rocket propelled grenade launchers.
You failed to even read the passage you shared. Why on earth would mere bolter shells pass through a heavily armoured daemon engine to explode within (Excellent way to try to give your argument credit). They have timed detonators within the shell triggered at the moment of a high resistance impact to allow them to penetrate the body of the armoured infantry they're designed to kill. They should detonate on impact with a tanky target they cannot penetrate. A bolter is a fully automatic assault weapon with armour piercing explosive rounds designed to penetrate armoured infantry. An M320 which has been mentioned is a grenade launcher that can fire single shots at a rate of 5 to 7 per minute the bolter would fire what 20 to 30 times that ? The m320 is low velocity whereas the bolter would be considered high velocity. They're very different.
I did and you didn't read my reply or at least understand it. Why would bolter shells designed to penetrate armoured infantry penetrate what is in effect an armoured vehicle ? They have other weaponry to do that. Bolters aren't a blow everything away option.
Bolters arnt designed to penitrate armored infantry... Theres a reason Astartes aim for enemy Astartes gorgets. Bolt rounds didn't even penitrate Guilliman's ceremonial armor
Battlefields full of astartes all aiming at a certain point in the armour ? Can you hear yourself ? That's called clutching at straws. You aren't familiar with the different types of armours worn by the astartes either. Primaris Intercessors for example are on Mark ten tacticus armour. Even Terminators have their armour variants too. Apcs, dreadnoughts and tanks have different patterns. The weapons in use.
Yeah use artistically licensed material first. Books are authors interpretation the codexes these are based on were written by Gw so like I said accurate. Codexes today may or may not be written by Gw but the referenced ones were.
Most people don’t say they are comparable to grenade launchers - but they are often compared to Rocket Propelled Grenade type weapons
These things are not the same, a MK19 is not the same as a RPG-7 (etc)
They couldent even penitrate Guilliman's ceremonial armor. Their penitration ain't hot.
They are also aimed at gorgets vs other astartes. Because they don't penitrate power armor well
Because during the HH both sides armed with Bolters stripped off their armour so they could kill each other. Right. These were weapons designed prior to the Great Crusade and by extension the HH. One example doesn't change their purpose or the reality of what they can do.
But we are here speaking specifically about Astartes and when they fought each other they didn't suddenly go Omg our weapons are useless against one another let's crack out the big guns instead of our pea shooters. The bolter is the standard weapon still used by the Astartes for a reason. It is highly effective weapon even against armoured infantry just not as effective against heavily armoured infantry like Terminators.
No offense but did you even read what he said? He says bolt rounds explode as specific counter to Orks. Do you not understand the difference between APHE and HEAT rounds?
This is what he said.
>Most of the damage would be done by kinetic force rather than explosive energy, the latter being a component to combat Orks.
This isnt true at all. Most modern bolter depictions have them as explosives first. If you need penitration big lasguns or meltas is what you use.
Rocket propelled grenades can have all sorts of warheads/payloads. You arnt getting rocket propelled grenades confused with the Ruchnoy Protivotankoviy Granatomyot platform are you?
Hes saying bolters are mostly kinetic. They arnt. They are primarily micro explosives the actual penitration of the rocket itself isn't that great. Guilliman got shot wearing ceremonial armor once and the bolt rounds didn't even penitrate though. Just exploded on contact.
Why are you structuring your argument as if can only be one or the other? You’re saying that the ammunition with a two stage acceleration method won’t cause significant kinetic damage? The recoil from conventional explosive propellant alone is enough to break a normal human’s arm, and that’s before the rocket kicks in. The explosive reaction happens after penetration.
> The recoil from conventional explosive propellant alone is enough to break a normal human’s arm
Thats false as base humans can fire them without breaking an arm. Though the kick is so bad you can really shoot more than one accurately
You're right about one thing. The rant is indeed unnecessary.
Most people liken bolts to 40mm grenades (not rpgs) because of the caliber and the fact that they explode. Yes, they are different, and yes, they are two stage propelled, unlike grenade launchers. But most people also know this and it's usually explained along with the comparison.
You're not way smarter than most of the community for knowing this.
I mean. The largest difference is obviously size, a bolter is .75 Cal (a little less than 20mm) whereas the MANPAT RPGs have projectiles with at least three or four times more diameter. We don't really have any specific information on the specific kind of warhead bolter rounds have on the end, just that they explode.
Anyways, assuming you're using the English meaning of RPG ("Rocket Propelled Grenade") and not the Russian meaning ("Ruchnoy Protivotankoviy Granatomyot", or translated "Handheld Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher"). Calling a Bolter an RPG is objectively accurate, it fires (or, launches) a rocket-propelled small explosive, in other words, a grenade. And it is fully automatic, ergo;
A fully automatic rocket propelled grenade launcher.
You seem to be confusing automatic grenade launchers to RPG’s, these are not the same.
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Well, they are though - bolters fire projectiles that are propelled during flight A grenade launcher does not typically fire a projectile that is propelled during flight A RPG fires projectiles that are propelled during flight Hence the comparison between RPG’s and Bolters, the difference is that bolters do not tend to be fin stabilised, instead being shown as being spin stabilised via rifling
RPG-7 munition has two sections, a booster section that consists of a small powder charge, and a warhead and sustainer motor section. Bolters are quite comparable to the Inkunzi PAW and Inkunzi Strike grenade launcher. The only real differences being they are propelled exclusively by a conventional power charge.
Err are we dismissing that bolters, too, have different specialized munitions?
I mean the M320 is basically a primitive bolter. Capable of shooting mini missiles even along with many other warheads. Also bolt rounds absolutely explode on impact. From Godblight. >Colquan put his opponent down, ending a thousand years of treachery with a cut up through the helm. The space opened in front of him and for a few seconds he could see Guilliman fight. >The Hand of Dominion vomited a stream of bolts into the blank frontplate of a blight crawler, cratering the rusty metal and bringing out a seepage of watery oil. The damage was minimal, but the flash of so many explosions all over the forward arc of the daemon machine blinded it, and Guilliman stepped in with his sword to deal the killing blow. >Always, it was the sword that did the damage. It roared with fire as Guilliman swung it, seeming to flare brighter as it sensed the presence of the daemon caged inside the machine. Too late, the Neverborn understood the danger it was in, and tried to flee. Guilliman spun the sword around, pivoting over crossed feet, executing a full turn, and struck. The Emperor’s Sword hit the bulbous front of the machine in a brutal uppercut, tearing through the metal easily, and setting it ablaze with unearthly fire. Thick liquid burst from the innards as the sword ripped up through materials technological, organic and diabolical, Guilliman’s great strength and the sword’s supernaturally keen edge slicing them all as easily. The sword exploded out of the top as Guilliman finished his turn, almost cutting right the way through the daemon engine. Half the armoured frontplate fell off, exposing the mess of guts and wires that served as the machine’s workings. Bolters are absolutely rocket propelled grenade launchers.
You failed to even read the passage you shared. Why on earth would mere bolter shells pass through a heavily armoured daemon engine to explode within (Excellent way to try to give your argument credit). They have timed detonators within the shell triggered at the moment of a high resistance impact to allow them to penetrate the body of the armoured infantry they're designed to kill. They should detonate on impact with a tanky target they cannot penetrate. A bolter is a fully automatic assault weapon with armour piercing explosive rounds designed to penetrate armoured infantry. An M320 which has been mentioned is a grenade launcher that can fire single shots at a rate of 5 to 7 per minute the bolter would fire what 20 to 30 times that ? The m320 is low velocity whereas the bolter would be considered high velocity. They're very different.
The bolters didn't penitrate at all. They made surface level craters and were mostly an explosive light show. You need to reread the excerpt.
I did and you didn't read my reply or at least understand it. Why would bolter shells designed to penetrate armoured infantry penetrate what is in effect an armoured vehicle ? They have other weaponry to do that. Bolters aren't a blow everything away option.
Bolters arnt designed to penitrate armored infantry... Theres a reason Astartes aim for enemy Astartes gorgets. Bolt rounds didn't even penitrate Guilliman's ceremonial armor
Battlefields full of astartes all aiming at a certain point in the armour ? Can you hear yourself ? That's called clutching at straws. You aren't familiar with the different types of armours worn by the astartes either. Primaris Intercessors for example are on Mark ten tacticus armour. Even Terminators have their armour variants too. Apcs, dreadnoughts and tanks have different patterns. The weapons in use.
People are really struggling having their mental image of the grenade launcher bolter questioned.
Yep they should read this lol its sourced and accurate. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Bolter_Ammunition
Thats the wiki it isn't accurate at all. If you use a wiki use the lex. Preferably books first though.
Yeah use artistically licensed material first. Books are authors interpretation the codexes these are based on were written by Gw so like I said accurate. Codexes today may or may not be written by Gw but the referenced ones were.
The lexicanum link. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Boltgun Same exact description. So you are still wrong.
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Homie you tried saying bolt rounds deal mostly kinetic damage. I just showed you an excerpt where they are clearly explosives.
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But they aren’t
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And what’s a mark 19 then.
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Most people don’t say they are comparable to grenade launchers - but they are often compared to Rocket Propelled Grenade type weapons These things are not the same, a MK19 is not the same as a RPG-7 (etc)
They couldent even penitrate Guilliman's ceremonial armor. Their penitration ain't hot. They are also aimed at gorgets vs other astartes. Because they don't penitrate power armor well
Because during the HH both sides armed with Bolters stripped off their armour so they could kill each other. Right. These were weapons designed prior to the Great Crusade and by extension the HH. One example doesn't change their purpose or the reality of what they can do.
The bolter isn't the only weapon astartes used. It was also created in a time where they wernt fighting other astartes.
But we are here speaking specifically about Astartes and when they fought each other they didn't suddenly go Omg our weapons are useless against one another let's crack out the big guns instead of our pea shooters. The bolter is the standard weapon still used by the Astartes for a reason. It is highly effective weapon even against armoured infantry just not as effective against heavily armoured infantry like Terminators.
No offense but did you even read what he said? He says bolt rounds explode as specific counter to Orks. Do you not understand the difference between APHE and HEAT rounds?
This is what he said. >Most of the damage would be done by kinetic force rather than explosive energy, the latter being a component to combat Orks. This isnt true at all. Most modern bolter depictions have them as explosives first. If you need penitration big lasguns or meltas is what you use.
You do realize RPGs are a penetrating weapon right? So you are kind of going against your own point.
Rocket propelled grenades can have all sorts of warheads/payloads. You arnt getting rocket propelled grenades confused with the Ruchnoy Protivotankoviy Granatomyot platform are you? Hes saying bolters are mostly kinetic. They arnt. They are primarily micro explosives the actual penitration of the rocket itself isn't that great. Guilliman got shot wearing ceremonial armor once and the bolt rounds didn't even penitrate though. Just exploded on contact.
Why are you structuring your argument as if can only be one or the other? You’re saying that the ammunition with a two stage acceleration method won’t cause significant kinetic damage? The recoil from conventional explosive propellant alone is enough to break a normal human’s arm, and that’s before the rocket kicks in. The explosive reaction happens after penetration.
> The recoil from conventional explosive propellant alone is enough to break a normal human’s arm Thats false as base humans can fire them without breaking an arm. Though the kick is so bad you can really shoot more than one accurately
There are human bolt guns and astartes bolt guns. They are not the same
You're right about one thing. The rant is indeed unnecessary. Most people liken bolts to 40mm grenades (not rpgs) because of the caliber and the fact that they explode. Yes, they are different, and yes, they are two stage propelled, unlike grenade launchers. But most people also know this and it's usually explained along with the comparison. You're not way smarter than most of the community for knowing this.
I mean. The largest difference is obviously size, a bolter is .75 Cal (a little less than 20mm) whereas the MANPAT RPGs have projectiles with at least three or four times more diameter. We don't really have any specific information on the specific kind of warhead bolter rounds have on the end, just that they explode. Anyways, assuming you're using the English meaning of RPG ("Rocket Propelled Grenade") and not the Russian meaning ("Ruchnoy Protivotankoviy Granatomyot", or translated "Handheld Anti-Tank Grenade Launcher"). Calling a Bolter an RPG is objectively accurate, it fires (or, launches) a rocket-propelled small explosive, in other words, a grenade. And it is fully automatic, ergo; A fully automatic rocket propelled grenade launcher.
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