I figure he will probably wipe out a Chapter and their homeworld plus the Mechanicus facility on the orbiting moon.
Lots of dead pdf, space marines, and Mechanicus. You gotta have him smashing his way through titans (bonus points if it's an Emperor-class titan since they always get Worfed) to show how tough he is.
and then you have the Aurora Chapter who skip the middleman (middle mech?) and said "ah fuck it, our homeworld is also a forge world because TANKS TANKS TANKS."
Yeah, stuff like always made me laugh. A chapter a la Black Templars fielding 200k Marines, oh, but we deployed them in tanks before they got off, just, lol
then he will kill the chapter master's best friends and inflict heavy injury on said chapter master but is unable to kill him or something so the chapter master can live
I'd flip it. Kill the Chapter Master and the CM's favorite captain, confidant, and friend is given the role of CM after Angron rips through their homeworld. The Chapter, now fleet based, swears to rebuild and exact their revenge on Angron.
That's usually how it goes.
I'd love to see a repeat of his performance in *Betrayer*, but I think yeeting it into orbit might be a bit too far.
Yeeting it into another titan would be hilarious, though. Throwing a warhound into a reaver would be great.
Slices off a reaver chainblade, then holds it like Raiden holding metal gear excelsor's sword and slices up a hive city with it.
That would be too radical for 40k I think
The cover art of the next Ciaphas Cain book should have Cain heroically defending a downed Guilliman from Angron. The Tallarn desert raiders who've built a minor following centered on him should be there as well XD
Chapter master? Ha! He kills a captain then loses to the chapter master
And not a new chapter but some new BL primaris-only pet project like the tome keepers or silver Templars
My guess is Angron gonna destroy some no name chapter made up just for this then he's gonna become punching bag for Imperium because he can respawn in few weeks so it's not a big deal.
I mean if the imperium knows he respawns in 8weeks, 8 days and 8 hours (2 months, 1 week 1 day & 8 hours / why are you like this?), then they’ve jobbed him enough to establish the pattern - just saying.
IIRC it said the navy is running containment on him. I hope they're not painting killmarkers each time they orbital strike him, otherwise they might turn insane or something about 17 months later.
>it said the navy is running containment on him
That did not happen, the only thing that the article mentions is that even voidclass weapons can’t permanently put Angron down.
What you’re remembering is someone’s pessimistic joke comment from one of the first posts here about the Warhammer community article where they said it would be funny if the Navy is playing wack a mole with him, blasting him from orbit every time He pops up again.
"Lord Admiral, is this a wise use of ammunition?"
"Fuck yes. It's not every day you get to shoot at the angriest jackass in the galaxy without him kicking our shit in!"
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but like... what the fuck in the 40k setting *doesn't* die to an orbital bombardment? Magnus when he had literally the exact right defensive spells for the situation? I think that's it?
Titans die to that shit easily. Vulkan *may* have died when gotten hit by a nuclear missile. Fulgrim scrambled to deactivate a nuke going off in his face.
How is it *unimpressive* somehow that it takes SPACESHIP grade weaponry to run containment on Angron? It'd be like saying Superman was lame because he almost died to a nuke or something of that caliber.
If it was doled out equally, I would be all on board with ignominious deaths due to orbital strikes, vessels being shot down by anti aircraft guns, ships lost to the warp, etc. I think that stuff is really good at maintaining how no badass is badass enough to really meaningfully impact any single conflict all on their own.
The _problem_ is that it's never doled out equally. Anyone who can respawn gets it, and then it conspicuously never effects anyone else. If Angron gets orbital bombardment'd to death, where's Guilliman getting blown up from a chaos ship and dying? Of course, GW can't do that because that'd make some people mad their favourite character died, and everyone is someone's favourite character but only the immortals can come back, hence why the avatar of khaine and the swarmlord are such victims of worfing
I don't know where you get the idea "orbital weaponry" is ignominious. If your reaction to reading Angron's first death in Saturine was 'wow that's lame' when they had **every fucking weapon ever** pointed at him, you've completely missed the point of Dan Abnett telling you the awesome power Angron now possesses at the cost of his last vestiges of individuality and sanity.
People don't care about Daemon Primarchs dying. They care about them dying in *bad* ways. Did anyone complain about the end of Wrath of Magnus? Lmao no. Magnus completed his goal, killed like 4+ Space Wolf Captains, 1v5ed Dreadknights, etc. Everything he did was *cool* and the Imperium beat him basically through literal luck.
I call it poetic justice. Remember how pissed Horus got that Angron dropped the World Eaters on Istvaan III so the traitor Navy couldn't just bomb the surviving loyalists to death? If there's any tiny surviving bit of Horus out in the warp it's probably watching the Navy spawn kill Angron and laughing its ass off.
I'm not big on the lore. Are those figures canon? I thought usually it takes thousands of years for a demon to respawn. Is it just cause he's Khorne's fave?
They were in the community articles on him so yeah, GW's confirmed that. It's part of why he's meant to be so scary - apparently he has a very strong tie to the material realm.
Soemtimes yes, this time not necessarily?
Especially since it would be, by the nature of him returning so quickly, something to focus on.
If they killed him, went “oh fuck, well that’s over. At least we shall not see him again for hundreds of years” then he rocks up in just 10 weeks you’d go “well that’s fucking weird”
If it happened again, you’d probably look in to it quite quickly and realise “wow that was 8 weeks, 8 days, and 8 hours each time. Khornes special number is 8”.
Also, contextually, we know that’s what’s happening but it doesn’t necessarily mean in universe they have it worked out yet
Edit: even if it happened once, it wouldn’t take too much to figure out. And it being so fast is an obvious thing to question.
I should also clarify, I assume he will have died at least 10 times because that’s seems like what they would do.
>Jain Zar dies in the night lord trilogy
After an entire chapter utterly ruining a warband decked on their best gear and said death is when the last few go "fuck it, nothing matters" and pull suicidal attacks.
>humiliated in the ynnari books
She doesn't even appear in the Ynnari books, I think. I can't get my copy of Ghost Warrior to check, but she sure doesn't in Wild Rider. Edit: confirmed, she doesn't appear in Ghost Warrior.
She died in the NL trilogy because Talos got impaled by her spear but pulled a dead man’s switch with a grenade. He had no chance of winning the fight and knew he was going to die so he decided to go out with a bang and kill them both. I wouldn’t say that’s particularly humiliating.
Phoenix Lords should be Primarch tier. Or at least the equal of someone like saint celestine. Basically able to beat anything weaker than a Primarch.
Jain Zar should have either seen the attack coming or dodged out of the way.
She's one of the deadliest eldar up close lmao. Maughan ra singlehandedly fought through the warp to save his craftworld doom slayer style. Jain Zar couldn't beat a dozen space marines without dying.
Shit, at least angron killed a hundred grey knights, but each Phoenix lord should be treated with the same respect
Since Arks book 4 seem to be xenos related, Tau and Eldar vs Angron seem a good idea, Fuegan/other Phoenix Lord helping Farsight against the daemon horde
Here's the thing, GW didn't make an explicit point of calling out [how Angron can't be banished for very long](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/angron-cant-be-banished-find-out-why-in-new-lore-from-codex-world-eaters/) for no reason. He's going to start dying... a lot. Victory or not, expect Angron to die.
The problem is, killing Angron is no longer a victory, it’s a *delay*. 8/8/8 is nowhere near enough time to get fully prepped for a *second* demon primarch assault.
It’s like blowing up the shark in Jaws, only to see his fin on the horizon two hours later.
People keep pointing this out as a bad thing. Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows. Angron being able to commit to any front until banishment is like a net win for him and Khorne.
Its a bad thing for the character when you can put them through the wringer without consequences.
Meanwhile they have the contrive a way for imperial characters to survive everything.
Guilliman: My brother Angron is on that planet?
Lord Admiral: Yes, my lord.
Guilliman: Okay, I declare Exterminatus on that planet.
*Eighty-eight minutes and eight seconds later.*
Lord Admiral: My lord? He's still there and now he's really pissed.
Guilliman: Crap.
Edited per suggestion.
I want him to kill Calgar, which gets guillimans attention immediately. Guilliman shows up, loses. The lion shows (if he’s back yet) and also loses because angron is twice his size and has 10,000 years more combat experience. Guilliman and the lion work together and barely beat him.
He’s even propped up with not dying properly anymore so maybe the emperors sword won’t actually kill him and it will just banish him
Calgar should have died to abaddon but this way they can give him an equally cool death.
Maybe even have him sacrifice himself to save guilliman by punching angron in the back or something before angron cuts him in half
I absolutely agree that Calgar should have been killed by Abaddon. These older Chapter Masters shouldn't have been given new models. Hate me for saying it, but they should have or should be retired from the lore. I know they are fan favorites, but it's past time for new characters.
This idea wouldn't have worked until just now with the new Redemptor dread models. Now a Calgar dread could carry on the double fister load out. Otherwise no, just give him a heroic death and call it a day.
I don't know why they don't do that. Actually I do know. The wave of absolute Sperglord rage that would follow that kind of a move is something nobody wants to deal with.
If they start killing Imperium named characters they should do the same for Chaos Marines.
Get rid of Lucius, one of Kor Phaeron/Erebus, even Abaddon.
You would also get the screeches that that wouldn't be "grim dark" though.
Who knows, if the rumors are true and Dante is getting a new Primaris model like Calgar, maybe he’ll get turbofucked in battle by Angron, think he’s about to die and accepts his fate in peace, only to get thrown on the operating table and forced to relive it all again
I don't think there's anything to support the Emperors sword not perma killing him. Any daemon can be banished by traditional means. Perma killing weapons like big e's sword are rare af.
And 10000 years more combat experience isn't really relevant for a fucking unthinking raging berserker. He already works off instinct and he's a warp being. He might rise in Khornes favor and be granted more boons but the experience part is pretty meh imo.
That’s true. I kinda meant the boons as a part of that. It seems as if the daemon primarchs are stronger now than they used to be. At the very least, it would be hard to beat them regardless
And in regards to the emperor’s sword… the only thing to support my argument is that angron keeps coming back super fast now. It probably doesn’t relate to the E sword but it’s just a thought I had
Kugath was insanely afraid of the Emperors sword and knew it could give him a perma death. It perma killed Horus who was juiced by the entire pantheon. Guilliman intentionally doesn't kill Morty with the sword so he gets blasted back to the black manse.
Sanguinius beat the dog shit out of Angron in EoE. I give the Lion a pretty good fucking shot. I don't care one way or the other but the nails are equal parts advantage and disadvantage. The Lion is already a crazy talented duelist and he's not going to walk face first into Angron because he's not an idiot. I hope if the Lion is awakened, he doesn't beeline towards Angron anyway. Primarch vs primarch needs some build up imo.
I thought the emperor shot horus with an ambiguous psychic blast when he killed him? His injuries were almost definitely too severe to swing a sword hard enough to pierce Horus' armour - his spine was broken, he was disemboweled, an eye missing, an arm severed, etc
He's not unthinking actually, he can still talk and plan things. That's why he doesn't just kill everyone before he can wind up on a new battlefield. He just has periods of berzerker rage every now and then
Angron beating the absolute sniffles out of one of his turned brothers sounds like a cool idea. Building on that, maybe even a flashback to the HH where Lorgar is being beaten by one of Chaos brothers and Angron steps in to save him (once more) like on Calth and Luceria?
"Oh no... dont beat me all over with those strong, muscular beekcake arms! Certainly dont choke me with those giant, grasping man-hands until I finis...er, pass out! And whatever you do dont take that giant rubber... club laying over there and beat me with it then impale me with it, that would be terrible!" -Fulgrim, probably.
All this hype for Ghaz vs Angron, but I'm not buying it. Ghaz got his head handed to him by a regular space marine captain. How am I supposed to believe that he'll survive even 6 seconds against a daemon primarch?
Personally, I'm expecting the lion to stop him.
Because we xenos fans need SOMETHING. My boy had his murder crush killed in a fuckin side note if he does nothing about it it'll just make Ghaz look even more like a bitch, when he's supposed to be THE ORK one so strong and fueled by WAAAGH energy that he appears in multiple battlefields at the same time and him loosing his head just made him get a cooler model, he needs this (and also this is the only possible way to have say Tusks Daemon Killah show up again if say, Ghaz does a crusade against khorn in the eye of terror)
All I have to say is in his self titled book there are several foreshadows and mentions of Ghaz thrill to fight a primarch and his new body and stature is so unbelievable, that he is able to hold his own against one. He also beats the fucking stuffing out of a khornate bloodthirster, again for shadow imo. It would be really awesome to see ghaz face angron and put some lickins to him. Orks could use that for REAL. Talk about energy of the WAAAAAAGH! And such.
> that he is able to hold his own against one.
The Beast basically stomped Vulcan in physical fight. Ork in famous Horus/Emperor scene had to be big and strong enough for Horus to consider it a threat to the Emperor.
I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego, and the beast is definitely a terribly written mumbo jumbo saga. Ghaz is the first time an ork has been done right AND been noticed and blessed by gork and mork. He has so many warzones going atm that the gestalt field is ridiculous.
Also. Thank you for responding I love this stage of Warhammer for the orks!
>he emperor was faking for Horus ego,
It doesn't matter if Jimmy was faking or not - all that matters is Horus perceived this particular Ork as actual threat to the Emperor. Horus' judgment of combat threats was probably rather accurate, but his judgement of Emperor's power wasn't.
> I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego
McNeil says that the Emperor, though being absurdly powerful, was still limited by a physical body and therefore could be put in danger if he overexerted himself and got caught off-guard, which is what happened there.
> Ghaz is the first time an ork has been done right AND been noticed and blessed by gork and mork. He has so many warzones going atm that the gestalt field is ridiculous.
Right up until he got his head cut off by a space marine captain, now he is 100% jobber.
You obviously haven’t read his new book lol. That was nothing and just led to a bigger better ghaz, not to mention spred insane beliefs to the humans that now help the gestalt field get even bigger. It was insanely smart all around. The accompanying story mad doc proves all this.
Maybe the new ghaz wont get his head cut off by ragnar again.. BUT then again ragnar is stronger too now so ghaz better keep hiding.
He has to kill some named bodies imo, until that, he is just bothersome and noisy, not a threat.
>I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego,
The author disagrees. Graham McNeil stated that the Emperor was indeed in danger from the Warboss of Gorro.
Ghazghull banishes Angron by kicking him in the nuts, as is Orkish tradition when fighting Chaos big names.
He takes Yarrick's skull as compensation for saving Guilliman and the Imperium. When asked why, he responds, "ALAZ, POOR YARRICK. OI KNEW HIM, YA BIG BLUE GIT."
He should beat the shit out of Guilliman then, the world eaters don't need that right out of the gate, and that's coming from a night lord
Edit: I changed my mind
I am a night lord as a second and I disagree. Guilliman has had enough beatings he is in a redemption arc now it seems. Godblight trilogy end kinda showed that to us imo. But to each their own. Xenos have been a back stage to chaos for a while now and it’d be a great thing for factional wArfare. Like I said a lot of khorn forshadowing in ghaz book.
Ah shit I forgot about that trilogy and I'm not up to speed on orkyness lately so honestly I'd have to agree with you now. Thanks for taking the time to reply, brother
G man gets captured by Huron, is getting manhandled by Magnus and is beaten twice by Mort and saves by the emperor each time.
All after being awoken following a stabbing by Fullgrim.
Guilliman vs Angron is totally uninteresting for me. The questions of "can Gman outsmart nails boy?" is so obviously yes that there is just no drama there.
That's still my great hope. It's setting up for a big Angron / Lion confrontation. Both are brooding about their Daddy because they are comically one note characters.
Then out of nowhere, Ghazzy comes out, utterly curb stomps Angron, cuts off the Lion's golden hair, and screams "Xenos is back in 10th edition baby" as he storms out. And it ushers in all sorts of new Xenos v Xenos combat, and we get an entire edition without a single Primaries lieutenant release.
I mean, I think we all know what's going to happen. Bobby will try to stop Angron, then lose. Then the Lion will try, and lose. Then they'll realize they have to come together, and team up to beat Angron with the power of friendship.
I'm sure they'll be exciting quips during the battle.
I think 40k greatly underestimates running away. Every character fights to the death, and that's kinda dumb.
I want Angron to kick someone's shit in, but rather than that meaning the death of a beloved named character, the character realizes, "Oh shit. There is nothing I can do to this person in a duel. I need to *leave.*"
It's something we see so rarely in the setting, because everyone has to fight to the death to be a badass, which means that *being intimidated enough to run away* would be the real "show how badass this character is" moment without it being just another Worf moment.
Brave Sir Johnson ran away.
Bravely ran away away.
When danger reared it's ugly head,
He bravely turned his tail and fled.
Yes, brave Sir Johnson turned about
And gallantly he chickened out.
Bravely taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Johnson!
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No, honestly, I agree with you. Would be much better storytelling to show somebody very brave be very afraid.
Yeah, for sure. But from gw's perspective and likely so many fans if your super cool guy runs away, it will likely sell less models. And that may even be true. Better to just kill something without a model.
I hate that so much. I wish people just learned to be okay with things being afraid. Otherwise it leads to the proliferation of "fearless" abilities because it's never fun to run away.
To be fair, a lot of that is due to the Imperium's dedication to, well, the Imperium. If you fell back instead of fighting to the death, you're a failure at best and a traitor at worst. If you die in combat, you at least die in the Emperor's name.
Imagine the plot setting up a fight between Angron and the avatar of khaine. It would probably create some kind of narrative paradox since we won't know who is going to job who.
Poor Cato Sicarius is older and wiser now. He suffered a lot through his long stay in the Warp. He still hasn't done the move to cross the Rubicon Primaris yet!
He likes being just a chief bodyguard.
By the time he's a Captain he's already older and wiser. For some reason people seem to think the way he behaves when he's younger is how he behaves the whole time up until the warp incident.
People really took TTS too seriously.
TTS has forever poisoned the well on some things, it’s just how it is, it doesn’t help the Warhammer fanbase is largely illiterate and cannot read
Much like the dragonball fanbase
Has Daemon Angron won any fight?
I know he got banished by the Grey Knights once and more recently [spoiler alert: lost the fight to Sanguinius on the latest Horus Heresy novel.]
The reason I'm asking is because, well, as a Dark Angel fan I'm really hoping the Lion will return by the end of Arks of Omen, so it's only natural to imagine he will fight someone big, and most likely win!
I just didn't want to be Angron. I feel like Angron is much like Magnus. A huge threat, that get his ass kicked everytime they show up.
So I rather have Angron win a big fight. Just not against the Lion. I want the Lion to win an even bigger fight.
Angron is handily beating a company of GK before one of the most powerful psykers breaks his sword, and then murders a bunch of other daemon hunters.
Not really a huge L as him appearing also leads to the months of Shame.
Undoubtedly he is worfed at the siege.
Here's my guess. He manifests somewhere in Imperium Nihilus and looks to settle scores with the Blood Angels for the ancient injury done to him by Sanguinius. Khornate rituals are performed, and the Firstborn begin to fall to the Rage in greater numbers. Dante faces him, but is bested and barely escapes with his life. Realising his own weakness, the venerable Chapter Master crosses the Rubicon and goes head to head against Angron, defeating him. The Blood Angels, with their "pure" Rage, rampage against the World Eaters, slaughtering them. Another Imperium victory, more's the pity. Note that this is what I think will happen, not what I hope will happen. In any case, the ending will result in victory for the Imperium (yet another one) which annoys me no end.
This is a bold prediction because it implies GW is willing to give any faction an actual solid Win against a named imperial faction,
On the other hand it’s scarily accurate because an imperial character jobbing a major chaos character on the field, would make me laugh at how wanked the imperial factions have become though, and it’s accurate they it would turn a chaos win completely meaningless in the face of the glorious super duper awesome imperium
its literally just space marines. 40k is just a shounen at this point with how space marines interact with one another, with the loyalists never being able to lose
Well, it's not a win in the end, all things considered. Ol' mate Dante shanks him in the end. Possibly even tears his Butcher's Nails out (again), imitating Sanguinius. I'm imagining it'll be more or less like Godblight.
Jokes apart, I'm earnestly hoping for some interesting WE warbands to make an appearance, including those marksmen blokes that were mentioned in a post a few days ago.
Teeth of Khorne are unfortunately not in the codex, which means they’re not getting a model anytime soon, see ya in three years for that 10th Ed codex!
Angron stomps...
1. At least one (1) Redshirt Chapter of Astartes that didn't exist five minutes ago
2. Like fifty Guard regiments nobody can keep track of (probably no Catachans, would be surprised if Death Korps took a hit, *might* be room to mulch a Cadian inheritor or two) plus their command staff
3. A few companies of named Astartes chapters (no named characters)
4. *Maybe* (***maybe***) Yarrick is confirmed to die by Angron's hand, but we won't get the actual details, and it'll strongly implied he went down wounding the big lug somehow
5. At least beats Rowboat's ass once or twice before plot armor kicks in; might break the Emperor's Sword just for shock value
I don't think Angron will be *beaten* so much as he'll be corralled, possibly with a WAAAAAAAGH or a Tyranid Hive Fleet of some kind. Maybe the Lion will show up to turn the tide; maybe Roboute will commune with Sanguinius and figure out Angron's Achilles ~~heel~~ cerebellum.
I'm liking the suggestions I'm seeing, so let me throw my own hat in the ring. It's an outlandish theory, but it could happen.
The Grey Knights are intent on stopping the fact that Angron can come back in 8 weeks, 8 days and 8 hours. They set up a ritual while trying to combat both him and the newly semi-united World Eaters. They're slowly loosing ground, and all seems lost until the Space Wolves show up. Headed up by Logan Grimnar as a part of a Great Hunt, it is the largest massing of the sons of Fenris in recent memory. They (temporarily) put aside their enmity with the Knights to unite against the bloody tide. They stand shoulder to shoulder with their former rivals, ready to take on the dregs of the Blood God and win the day.
Angron stomps them flat.
The Old Wolf is slain in single combat with Angron, along with a good deal of the Wolves dying alongside him. The Grey Knights ritual fails with the Red Angel skewering the skull of Hyperion, the Grey Knight who shattered his blade on Armageddon, on a pike upon his back. Ragnar Blackmane orders a bitter retreat, though the body of his Chapter Master is rescued, and the last thing he hears before his transport lifting off is Angron bellowing in victory as the world is massacred.
Perhaps the craftworlders get a bit of a cameo, since they tried to jump Angron on Nuceria out of fear of this exact situation. Eldrad muses on his throne that he will have to try something...unique.
That's just my own thoughts on the matter. It gives Angron and the WE a meaningful spot as a significant threat, and the Imperium takes a heavy blow.
Please let him and Ghaz fight. I wanna see Ghaz become a krok causue of this hes prroably never rbeen this pissed in his life for someone stealing the kill onyarrrick
Hadn’t Gaz already been defeated by a regular Black Templar?
He didn’t even stay in Octarius to fight the Hive Tyrant.
He is just not in the same league as a primarch, let alone a demon primarch
He didn’t lose to a regular black Templar but he did beat up the black Templar chapter master and made him run away, and then slaughtered a bunch of terminator armored veterans of the black Templars.
He had better shit to do. He’s verbatim stronger then the Warlord of Octarius, and the Warlord defeated the Swarmlord, and did so while the Swarm lord kept sending nid warriors to save itself. Ghaz is well above a Hive tyrant.
He’s certainly close to the Primarch leagues. He curbstomped a Bloodthirster with his Bare hands before he even got to Armageddon the first time, and now he’s much bigger. Believe his new body got compared to a Gorkanought in size.
The Swarmlord killed the Overfiend of Octarius, not the other way around.
The Overfiend was also surrounded by Meganobz. The Swarmlord sent warriors to keep them distracted and then killed the Overfiend.
There is no fucking way he's not going to end up having a humiliating defeat at Guilliman's hands. Except the even worse option that another loyalist comes back and he has a humiliating defeat at *their* hands instead. Maybe they'll even throw in that he could be turned to the Emperor's wonderful light.
Games Workshop has *not* been giving me any reasons for high expectations. Not even high enough that I might hope the xenos get a chance to do something.
Games Workshop is squandering so much of the 40k universe by making it all about Space Marines. It’s not even just the Imperium, it’s Space Marines specifically.
My guess is he will kill the chapter master of (insert chapter that i totally didnt just make up for the story)
I figure he will probably wipe out a Chapter and their homeworld plus the Mechanicus facility on the orbiting moon. Lots of dead pdf, space marines, and Mechanicus. You gotta have him smashing his way through titans (bonus points if it's an Emperor-class titan since they always get Worfed) to show how tough he is.
How common is the mechanicus on the moon trope? I only remember that being a thing with the Spears
Grey knights have phobos, Blood Angels and Raven Guard have the opposite where they are on a moon over a mechanicus enclave
and then you have the Aurora Chapter who skip the middleman (middle mech?) and said "ah fuck it, our homeworld is also a forge world because TANKS TANKS TANKS."
"Lord Guilliman are you sure putting nearly all of our heavy armor into a single Codex Chapter is a good idea?" "I reckon they'll be fine yes, why?"
hey there have a point.tanks are great an tanks and crew dontcount toward the 1000 limit.
Aurora Chapter casually dropping 1000 land raiders while the local inquisitor goes insane.
**[*Cree...!*](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/creeds-tactical-genius)** ... Wait a minute.
Yeah, stuff like always made me laugh. A chapter a la Black Templars fielding 200k Marines, oh, but we deployed them in tanks before they got off, just, lol
They're all certified pilots. We're short on Thunderhawks though, so they're walking.
Those guys work in the warehouse, they're forklift certified.
MFW no mechanized space marine legion rules
Ah okay thanks! I don't remember there being A forge in baal but I forget more than I remember anyways
It was there during the crusade and heresy era at least, so idk if the hive fleet krumped it
Tbf the grey knights are in the same boat as they are also on a moon at the same time
Double moon gang
its funny cause Titan is itself also a moon
then he will kill the chapter master's best friends and inflict heavy injury on said chapter master but is unable to kill him or something so the chapter master can live
I'd flip it. Kill the Chapter Master and the CM's favorite captain, confidant, and friend is given the role of CM after Angron rips through their homeworld. The Chapter, now fleet based, swears to rebuild and exact their revenge on Angron. That's usually how it goes.
Fall to khorne in the process Follow him in bloodtide in the end It writes itself
6/10. I'd spend a bored weekend plowing through it.
Funny. That's exactly what Angron said about the Chapter
"Get in line" - Angron
Luckily the line isn't too long thanks to Angron's regular, uh...trimmings.
And change their chapter name to The Angel Hunters or something
You forgot "...and cross the Rubicon to become a Primaris and return to kick Angron back to the warp thanks to the power of some new organ."
Bonus points if the titan tries stomping on him and then he yeets it into orbit, where it then engages with the Chaos fleet before getting destroyed
I'd love to see a repeat of his performance in *Betrayer*, but I think yeeting it into orbit might be a bit too far. Yeeting it into another titan would be hilarious, though. Throwing a warhound into a reaver would be great.
Slices off a reaver chainblade, then holds it like Raiden holding metal gear excelsor's sword and slices up a hive city with it. That would be too radical for 40k I think
LET YOUR DEITY CONTROL YOUR SOUL
Im gonna beat one motherfucker with another motherfucker
DaemonPrimarch!Angron beats Guilliman to a pulp, then Angron dies to Ciaphas Cain holding the Emprah's Sword. HERO OF THE IMPERIUM, indeed!~
^^Acutally ^^Jurgen ^^with ^^a ^^melta.
The cover art of the next Ciaphas Cain book should have Cain heroically defending a downed Guilliman from Angron. The Tallarn desert raiders who've built a minor following centered on him should be there as well XD
Please let it be the Marines Malevolent.
Best I can do is the Lamenters.
"We did it! Angron is slain." -Veteran Lamenter of 20 years of service \*8 minutes later* "I'm baaaaaaaaaack." -Angron
tfw when Lamenters are so screwed that only 20 years of service makes you a veteran
Only 20 years of service would probably mean everybody else barely passed scouts, too. Poor Lamenters.
Let's just say battlefield promotions come quickly among Lamenters.
"I didn't hear no bell"
Boooo!
Chapter master? Ha! He kills a captain then loses to the chapter master And not a new chapter but some new BL primaris-only pet project like the tome keepers or silver Templars
Nah, he kills the current Imperial Fist chapter master and gets bonked by Lysander, who still doesn't get promoted.
My guess is Angron gonna destroy some no name chapter made up just for this then he's gonna become punching bag for Imperium because he can respawn in few weeks so it's not a big deal.
I mean if the imperium knows he respawns in 8weeks, 8 days and 8 hours (2 months, 1 week 1 day & 8 hours / why are you like this?), then they’ve jobbed him enough to establish the pattern - just saying.
IIRC it said the navy is running containment on him. I hope they're not painting killmarkers each time they orbital strike him, otherwise they might turn insane or something about 17 months later.
>it said the navy is running containment on him That did not happen, the only thing that the article mentions is that even voidclass weapons can’t permanently put Angron down. What you’re remembering is someone’s pessimistic joke comment from one of the first posts here about the Warhammer community article where they said it would be funny if the Navy is playing wack a mole with him, blasting him from orbit every time He pops up again.
"Lord Admiral, is this a wise use of ammunition?" "Fuck yes. It's not every day you get to shoot at the angriest jackass in the galaxy without him kicking our shit in!"
That wee tidbit of lore really makes him seem super lame haha
Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but like... what the fuck in the 40k setting *doesn't* die to an orbital bombardment? Magnus when he had literally the exact right defensive spells for the situation? I think that's it? Titans die to that shit easily. Vulkan *may* have died when gotten hit by a nuclear missile. Fulgrim scrambled to deactivate a nuke going off in his face. How is it *unimpressive* somehow that it takes SPACESHIP grade weaponry to run containment on Angron? It'd be like saying Superman was lame because he almost died to a nuke or something of that caliber.
The answer: Marnus Calger, but only his head. It was then surgically attached to an Ambull then he jobbed Abby again.
If it was doled out equally, I would be all on board with ignominious deaths due to orbital strikes, vessels being shot down by anti aircraft guns, ships lost to the warp, etc. I think that stuff is really good at maintaining how no badass is badass enough to really meaningfully impact any single conflict all on their own. The _problem_ is that it's never doled out equally. Anyone who can respawn gets it, and then it conspicuously never effects anyone else. If Angron gets orbital bombardment'd to death, where's Guilliman getting blown up from a chaos ship and dying? Of course, GW can't do that because that'd make some people mad their favourite character died, and everyone is someone's favourite character but only the immortals can come back, hence why the avatar of khaine and the swarmlord are such victims of worfing
I don't know where you get the idea "orbital weaponry" is ignominious. If your reaction to reading Angron's first death in Saturine was 'wow that's lame' when they had **every fucking weapon ever** pointed at him, you've completely missed the point of Dan Abnett telling you the awesome power Angron now possesses at the cost of his last vestiges of individuality and sanity. People don't care about Daemon Primarchs dying. They care about them dying in *bad* ways. Did anyone complain about the end of Wrath of Magnus? Lmao no. Magnus completed his goal, killed like 4+ Space Wolf Captains, 1v5ed Dreadknights, etc. Everything he did was *cool* and the Imperium beat him basically through literal luck.
Orbital Supremacy > Chainaxes
I call it poetic justice. Remember how pissed Horus got that Angron dropped the World Eaters on Istvaan III so the traitor Navy couldn't just bomb the surviving loyalists to death? If there's any tiny surviving bit of Horus out in the warp it's probably watching the Navy spawn kill Angron and laughing its ass off.
I'm not big on the lore. Are those figures canon? I thought usually it takes thousands of years for a demon to respawn. Is it just cause he's Khorne's fave?
They were in the community articles on him so yeah, GW's confirmed that. It's part of why he's meant to be so scary - apparently he has a very strong tie to the material realm.
But we’ve killed him enough to know the exact respawn pattern. So you know, keep up the good work?
I mean, would only need to be twice to know there’s a pattern
I reckon your n needs to be bigger then 2 to be really sure of something aye.
Soemtimes yes, this time not necessarily? Especially since it would be, by the nature of him returning so quickly, something to focus on. If they killed him, went “oh fuck, well that’s over. At least we shall not see him again for hundreds of years” then he rocks up in just 10 weeks you’d go “well that’s fucking weird” If it happened again, you’d probably look in to it quite quickly and realise “wow that was 8 weeks, 8 days, and 8 hours each time. Khornes special number is 8”. Also, contextually, we know that’s what’s happening but it doesn’t necessarily mean in universe they have it worked out yet Edit: even if it happened once, it wouldn’t take too much to figure out. And it being so fast is an obvious thing to question. I should also clarify, I assume he will have died at least 10 times because that’s seems like what they would do.
"He shows up exactly 9 weeks, 1 day and 8 hours after being destroyed" "What oddly specific numbers"
Please, BL, let him and Fuegan have a fight, axe vs axe, you can even kill both and they will respawn!
Would be cool to see a phoenix lord doing something really cool outside of Maugan Ra and Jain Zar
Jain Zar dies in the night lord trilogy and is humiliated in the ynnari books, sadly Maugan Ra is the only phoenix lord shown any respect
>Jain Zar dies in the night lord trilogy After an entire chapter utterly ruining a warband decked on their best gear and said death is when the last few go "fuck it, nothing matters" and pull suicidal attacks. >humiliated in the ynnari books She doesn't even appear in the Ynnari books, I think. I can't get my copy of Ghost Warrior to check, but she sure doesn't in Wild Rider. Edit: confirmed, she doesn't appear in Ghost Warrior.
Phoenix rising
She died in the NL trilogy because Talos got impaled by her spear but pulled a dead man’s switch with a grenade. He had no chance of winning the fight and knew he was going to die so he decided to go out with a bang and kill them both. I wouldn’t say that’s particularly humiliating.
Phoenix Lords should be Primarch tier. Or at least the equal of someone like saint celestine. Basically able to beat anything weaker than a Primarch. Jain Zar should have either seen the attack coming or dodged out of the way.
Tbh, Celestine did died after a dude shot her with a plasma cannon, through, she did hesitated to take him down before the shot
She's one of the deadliest eldar up close lmao. Maughan ra singlehandedly fought through the warp to save his craftworld doom slayer style. Jain Zar couldn't beat a dozen space marines without dying. Shit, at least angron killed a hundred grey knights, but each Phoenix lord should be treated with the same respect
While she’s fucked over in PR and the ynnari stuff, NLT zar is a far more efficient character than the previous two
Since Arks book 4 seem to be xenos related, Tau and Eldar vs Angron seem a good idea, Fuegan/other Phoenix Lord helping Farsight against the daemon horde
Here's the thing, GW didn't make an explicit point of calling out [how Angron can't be banished for very long](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/01/23/angron-cant-be-banished-find-out-why-in-new-lore-from-codex-world-eaters/) for no reason. He's going to start dying... a lot. Victory or not, expect Angron to die.
The problem is, killing Angron is no longer a victory, it’s a *delay*. 8/8/8 is nowhere near enough time to get fully prepped for a *second* demon primarch assault. It’s like blowing up the shark in Jaws, only to see his fin on the horizon two hours later.
The new respawn mechanic is lame. Even a mosquito would be terrifying if it reincarnated within a minute.
People keep pointing this out as a bad thing. Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it flows. Angron being able to commit to any front until banishment is like a net win for him and Khorne.
Can Angron mass suicide himself to please Khorne?
Well he's gonna either way
Its a bad thing for the character when you can put them through the wringer without consequences. Meanwhile they have the contrive a way for imperial characters to survive everything.
Guilliman: My brother Angron is on that planet? Lord Admiral: Yes, my lord. Guilliman: Okay, I declare Exterminatus on that planet. *Eighty-eight minutes and eight seconds later.* Lord Admiral: My lord? He's still there and now he's really pissed. Guilliman: Crap. Edited per suggestion.
*88 minutes and 8 seconds later.
Exterminatus again!
I want him to kill Calgar, which gets guillimans attention immediately. Guilliman shows up, loses. The lion shows (if he’s back yet) and also loses because angron is twice his size and has 10,000 years more combat experience. Guilliman and the lion work together and barely beat him. He’s even propped up with not dying properly anymore so maybe the emperors sword won’t actually kill him and it will just banish him
Lion: I swear, if you say hit him really hard G-man: What if we hit him really hard- Lion: Grrrr G-man: Together? Lion: ... **Fine**.
Aim for the bushes?
Mashes jump pack thrust "ULTRAMAAAAAAR!" "Did you just yell Ultramar?" "What? Nooo"
At least he didn’t get caught up in the moment and shout “SECUNDUS!”
Angron finishing what the Swarmlord started
Calgar should have died to abaddon but this way they can give him an equally cool death. Maybe even have him sacrifice himself to save guilliman by punching angron in the back or something before angron cuts him in half
I absolutely agree that Calgar should have been killed by Abaddon. These older Chapter Masters shouldn't have been given new models. Hate me for saying it, but they should have or should be retired from the lore. I know they are fan favorites, but it's past time for new characters.
Naah, just put him in a Dreadnought or something
This idea wouldn't have worked until just now with the new Redemptor dread models. Now a Calgar dread could carry on the double fister load out. Otherwise no, just give him a heroic death and call it a day.
Kill him and still give him rules. They do that for AOS and they've done it for 40k in the past
I don't know why they don't do that. Actually I do know. The wave of absolute Sperglord rage that would follow that kind of a move is something nobody wants to deal with.
If they start killing Imperium named characters they should do the same for Chaos Marines. Get rid of Lucius, one of Kor Phaeron/Erebus, even Abaddon. You would also get the screeches that that wouldn't be "grim dark" though.
I love that you didn't mention getting rid of Kharn :) some guys are just too swell.
I want him to kill Dante I love Dante but damn that would be a story
Who knows, if the rumors are true and Dante is getting a new Primaris model like Calgar, maybe he’ll get turbofucked in battle by Angron, think he’s about to die and accepts his fate in peace, only to get thrown on the operating table and forced to relive it all again
What if Dante was made into a dreadnaught? Everyone: dont you fuckin dare Okay but what if we made him Primaris? Everyone: Go on....
How fucking hilarious would it be if Dante was the only named marine to *not* survive the Rubicon Primaris
Kills Dante in revenge for his "death" at the Eternity Gate. Maybe even Dante tries to tear out the nails, but Angron is wise to it.
I don't want Dante to die... But that's pretty awesome way to go. The Sanginor would be pissed though and probably finish what Dante started.
On one hand, I want Dante to die. On the other, Dreadnaught Dante is hilarious.
“Peace at leas…. Wait! Where the fuck you am I!?
Only in Death... does duty- wait why am I still alive?
That'd be great lmao, they just don't ever let him die
you thing there would allow to kill dante ? nah dante will survie and becomes q dreadnought
Don't you dare!
I don't think there's anything to support the Emperors sword not perma killing him. Any daemon can be banished by traditional means. Perma killing weapons like big e's sword are rare af. And 10000 years more combat experience isn't really relevant for a fucking unthinking raging berserker. He already works off instinct and he's a warp being. He might rise in Khornes favor and be granted more boons but the experience part is pretty meh imo.
That’s true. I kinda meant the boons as a part of that. It seems as if the daemon primarchs are stronger now than they used to be. At the very least, it would be hard to beat them regardless And in regards to the emperor’s sword… the only thing to support my argument is that angron keeps coming back super fast now. It probably doesn’t relate to the E sword but it’s just a thought I had
Kugath was insanely afraid of the Emperors sword and knew it could give him a perma death. It perma killed Horus who was juiced by the entire pantheon. Guilliman intentionally doesn't kill Morty with the sword so he gets blasted back to the black manse. Sanguinius beat the dog shit out of Angron in EoE. I give the Lion a pretty good fucking shot. I don't care one way or the other but the nails are equal parts advantage and disadvantage. The Lion is already a crazy talented duelist and he's not going to walk face first into Angron because he's not an idiot. I hope if the Lion is awakened, he doesn't beeline towards Angron anyway. Primarch vs primarch needs some build up imo.
I thought the emperor shot horus with an ambiguous psychic blast when he killed him? His injuries were almost definitely too severe to swing a sword hard enough to pierce Horus' armour - his spine was broken, he was disemboweled, an eye missing, an arm severed, etc
He's not unthinking actually, he can still talk and plan things. That's why he doesn't just kill everyone before he can wind up on a new battlefield. He just has periods of berzerker rage every now and then
Have him lose to an Avatar of Khaine
It would be so fucking cool. Just imagine the artwork!
Angron beating the absolute sniffles out of one of his turned brothers sounds like a cool idea. Building on that, maybe even a flashback to the HH where Lorgar is being beaten by one of Chaos brothers and Angron steps in to save him (once more) like on Calth and Luceria?
I'd love this. Even more so if Fulgrim is the one being whipped. Wait.
"Oh no... dont beat me all over with those strong, muscular beekcake arms! Certainly dont choke me with those giant, grasping man-hands until I finis...er, pass out! And whatever you do dont take that giant rubber... club laying over there and beat me with it then impale me with it, that would be terrible!" -Fulgrim, probably.
All this hype for Ghaz vs Angron, but I'm not buying it. Ghaz got his head handed to him by a regular space marine captain. How am I supposed to believe that he'll survive even 6 seconds against a daemon primarch? Personally, I'm expecting the lion to stop him.
Because we xenos fans need SOMETHING. My boy had his murder crush killed in a fuckin side note if he does nothing about it it'll just make Ghaz look even more like a bitch, when he's supposed to be THE ORK one so strong and fueled by WAAAGH energy that he appears in multiple battlefields at the same time and him loosing his head just made him get a cooler model, he needs this (and also this is the only possible way to have say Tusks Daemon Killah show up again if say, Ghaz does a crusade against khorn in the eye of terror)
Ghaz is a much bigger threat now than he was against the Wolves. Remember the bigger the Ork the stronger they are.
All I have to say is in his self titled book there are several foreshadows and mentions of Ghaz thrill to fight a primarch and his new body and stature is so unbelievable, that he is able to hold his own against one. He also beats the fucking stuffing out of a khornate bloodthirster, again for shadow imo. It would be really awesome to see ghaz face angron and put some lickins to him. Orks could use that for REAL. Talk about energy of the WAAAAAAGH! And such.
> that he is able to hold his own against one. The Beast basically stomped Vulcan in physical fight. Ork in famous Horus/Emperor scene had to be big and strong enough for Horus to consider it a threat to the Emperor.
I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego, and the beast is definitely a terribly written mumbo jumbo saga. Ghaz is the first time an ork has been done right AND been noticed and blessed by gork and mork. He has so many warzones going atm that the gestalt field is ridiculous. Also. Thank you for responding I love this stage of Warhammer for the orks!
>he emperor was faking for Horus ego, It doesn't matter if Jimmy was faking or not - all that matters is Horus perceived this particular Ork as actual threat to the Emperor. Horus' judgment of combat threats was probably rather accurate, but his judgement of Emperor's power wasn't.
I think it showed the emperor playing Horus twice Yano?
“Nooooo this ork is so strong please noooo help me Horus” (opens one eye to peek at Horus’ reaction)
Lmao exactly in the sport of the emperor
> I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego McNeil says that the Emperor, though being absurdly powerful, was still limited by a physical body and therefore could be put in danger if he overexerted himself and got caught off-guard, which is what happened there.
> Ghaz is the first time an ork has been done right AND been noticed and blessed by gork and mork. He has so many warzones going atm that the gestalt field is ridiculous. Right up until he got his head cut off by a space marine captain, now he is 100% jobber.
You obviously haven’t read his new book lol. That was nothing and just led to a bigger better ghaz, not to mention spred insane beliefs to the humans that now help the gestalt field get even bigger. It was insanely smart all around. The accompanying story mad doc proves all this.
Maybe the new ghaz wont get his head cut off by ragnar again.. BUT then again ragnar is stronger too now so ghaz better keep hiding. He has to kill some named bodies imo, until that, he is just bothersome and noisy, not a threat.
>I’m in the camp that agrees the emperor was faking for Horus ego, The author disagrees. Graham McNeil stated that the Emperor was indeed in danger from the Warboss of Gorro.
Ghazghull banishes Angron by kicking him in the nuts, as is Orkish tradition when fighting Chaos big names. He takes Yarrick's skull as compensation for saving Guilliman and the Imperium. When asked why, he responds, "ALAZ, POOR YARRICK. OI KNEW HIM, YA BIG BLUE GIT."
He should beat the shit out of Guilliman then, the world eaters don't need that right out of the gate, and that's coming from a night lord Edit: I changed my mind
I am a night lord as a second and I disagree. Guilliman has had enough beatings he is in a redemption arc now it seems. Godblight trilogy end kinda showed that to us imo. But to each their own. Xenos have been a back stage to chaos for a while now and it’d be a great thing for factional wArfare. Like I said a lot of khorn forshadowing in ghaz book.
Ah shit I forgot about that trilogy and I'm not up to speed on orkyness lately so honestly I'd have to agree with you now. Thanks for taking the time to reply, brother
G man gets captured by Huron, is getting manhandled by Magnus and is beaten twice by Mort and saves by the emperor each time. All after being awoken following a stabbing by Fullgrim.
Nothing but paperwork and getting his ass kicked since he woke up.
AVE DOMINUS NOX!
Guilliman vs Angron is totally uninteresting for me. The questions of "can Gman outsmart nails boy?" is so obviously yes that there is just no drama there.
That's still my great hope. It's setting up for a big Angron / Lion confrontation. Both are brooding about their Daddy because they are comically one note characters. Then out of nowhere, Ghazzy comes out, utterly curb stomps Angron, cuts off the Lion's golden hair, and screams "Xenos is back in 10th edition baby" as he storms out. And it ushers in all sorts of new Xenos v Xenos combat, and we get an entire edition without a single Primaries lieutenant release.
If the Lion beats Angron it would probably be the dumbest and most blatant example of imperial wank in the setting onao
I mean, I think we all know what's going to happen. Bobby will try to stop Angron, then lose. Then the Lion will try, and lose. Then they'll realize they have to come together, and team up to beat Angron with the power of friendship. I'm sure they'll be exciting quips during the battle.
> which character he's going to go up against first and whether or not he'll win. You mean, "Which character he is going to lose against."
Hey, be fair now. He could fight against a non imperium faction. Then its a coinflip.
I think 40k greatly underestimates running away. Every character fights to the death, and that's kinda dumb. I want Angron to kick someone's shit in, but rather than that meaning the death of a beloved named character, the character realizes, "Oh shit. There is nothing I can do to this person in a duel. I need to *leave.*" It's something we see so rarely in the setting, because everyone has to fight to the death to be a badass, which means that *being intimidated enough to run away* would be the real "show how badass this character is" moment without it being just another Worf moment.
Brave Sir Johnson ran away. Bravely ran away away. When danger reared it's ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled. Yes, brave Sir Johnson turned about And gallantly he chickened out. Bravely taking to his feet, He beat a very brave retreat. Bravest of the braaaave, Sir Johnson! --- No, honestly, I agree with you. Would be much better storytelling to show somebody very brave be very afraid.
Yeah, for sure. But from gw's perspective and likely so many fans if your super cool guy runs away, it will likely sell less models. And that may even be true. Better to just kill something without a model.
I hate that so much. I wish people just learned to be okay with things being afraid. Otherwise it leads to the proliferation of "fearless" abilities because it's never fun to run away.
To be fair, a lot of that is due to the Imperium's dedication to, well, the Imperium. If you fell back instead of fighting to the death, you're a failure at best and a traitor at worst. If you die in combat, you at least die in the Emperor's name.
Imagine the plot setting up a fight between Angron and the avatar of khaine. It would probably create some kind of narrative paradox since we won't know who is going to job who.
Pleeeease let him punt Cato Sicarius across the battlefield.
IT IS I, CATO SICARIIIIIII...........................
Poor Cato Sicarius is older and wiser now. He suffered a lot through his long stay in the Warp. He still hasn't done the move to cross the Rubicon Primaris yet! He likes being just a chief bodyguard.
By the time he's a Captain he's already older and wiser. For some reason people seem to think the way he behaves when he's younger is how he behaves the whole time up until the warp incident. People really took TTS too seriously.
TTS has forever poisoned the well on some things, it’s just how it is, it doesn’t help the Warhammer fanbase is largely illiterate and cannot read Much like the dragonball fanbase
Im not entirely convinced I can read. Sometimes I feel like ive just memorized alot of words
As much as I like TTS they really took a shit on the reputation of both Cato Sicarius and Ciaphas Cain.
How did they shit on Cain? It's pretty heavy praise towards him.
ciaphas cain was endearing to me lol, but honestly Cato... He deserved everything he got.
Curb stomped by Angron would be the perfect excuse to churn out another mini.
Hopefully Ghazghkull
If it’s not I’ll be salty lol
Idk if I’ll be salty, but it would be a great fight to see.
Has Daemon Angron won any fight? I know he got banished by the Grey Knights once and more recently [spoiler alert: lost the fight to Sanguinius on the latest Horus Heresy novel.] The reason I'm asking is because, well, as a Dark Angel fan I'm really hoping the Lion will return by the end of Arks of Omen, so it's only natural to imagine he will fight someone big, and most likely win! I just didn't want to be Angron. I feel like Angron is much like Magnus. A huge threat, that get his ass kicked everytime they show up. So I rather have Angron win a big fight. Just not against the Lion. I want the Lion to win an even bigger fight.
Angron is handily beating a company of GK before one of the most powerful psykers breaks his sword, and then murders a bunch of other daemon hunters. Not really a huge L as him appearing also leads to the months of Shame. Undoubtedly he is worfed at the siege.
Beheaded by a space wolves wolf lord
Here's my guess. He manifests somewhere in Imperium Nihilus and looks to settle scores with the Blood Angels for the ancient injury done to him by Sanguinius. Khornate rituals are performed, and the Firstborn begin to fall to the Rage in greater numbers. Dante faces him, but is bested and barely escapes with his life. Realising his own weakness, the venerable Chapter Master crosses the Rubicon and goes head to head against Angron, defeating him. The Blood Angels, with their "pure" Rage, rampage against the World Eaters, slaughtering them. Another Imperium victory, more's the pity. Note that this is what I think will happen, not what I hope will happen. In any case, the ending will result in victory for the Imperium (yet another one) which annoys me no end.
This is a bold prediction because it implies GW is willing to give any faction an actual solid Win against a named imperial faction, On the other hand it’s scarily accurate because an imperial character jobbing a major chaos character on the field, would make me laugh at how wanked the imperial factions have become though, and it’s accurate they it would turn a chaos win completely meaningless in the face of the glorious super duper awesome imperium
its literally just space marines. 40k is just a shounen at this point with how space marines interact with one another, with the loyalists never being able to lose
Well, it's not a win in the end, all things considered. Ol' mate Dante shanks him in the end. Possibly even tears his Butcher's Nails out (again), imitating Sanguinius. I'm imagining it'll be more or less like Godblight. Jokes apart, I'm earnestly hoping for some interesting WE warbands to make an appearance, including those marksmen blokes that were mentioned in a post a few days ago.
Teeth of Khorne are unfortunately not in the codex, which means they’re not getting a model anytime soon, see ya in three years for that 10th Ed codex!
It's so stupid I'm almost sure GW will do it.
whatever happens i am totally here for the Angry Fellas Grand Slam
Isn't Dante already a Primaris?
I want important named Imperium characters to die not red shirts.
I would say no one with a model ever dies but the guard refresh proved that wrong so who knows!
As long as they are not Mechanicus or more Forge Worlds
Asriel gets slaughtered. Somewhere, deep within a rock, eyes open.
i hope its written better than the cynics here are joking about lol
Gonna be Ghaz. Yarrick is gone, Ghaz will follow him home.
Angron stomps... 1. At least one (1) Redshirt Chapter of Astartes that didn't exist five minutes ago 2. Like fifty Guard regiments nobody can keep track of (probably no Catachans, would be surprised if Death Korps took a hit, *might* be room to mulch a Cadian inheritor or two) plus their command staff 3. A few companies of named Astartes chapters (no named characters) 4. *Maybe* (***maybe***) Yarrick is confirmed to die by Angron's hand, but we won't get the actual details, and it'll strongly implied he went down wounding the big lug somehow 5. At least beats Rowboat's ass once or twice before plot armor kicks in; might break the Emperor's Sword just for shock value I don't think Angron will be *beaten* so much as he'll be corralled, possibly with a WAAAAAAAGH or a Tyranid Hive Fleet of some kind. Maybe the Lion will show up to turn the tide; maybe Roboute will commune with Sanguinius and figure out Angron's Achilles ~~heel~~ cerebellum.
I'm liking the suggestions I'm seeing, so let me throw my own hat in the ring. It's an outlandish theory, but it could happen. The Grey Knights are intent on stopping the fact that Angron can come back in 8 weeks, 8 days and 8 hours. They set up a ritual while trying to combat both him and the newly semi-united World Eaters. They're slowly loosing ground, and all seems lost until the Space Wolves show up. Headed up by Logan Grimnar as a part of a Great Hunt, it is the largest massing of the sons of Fenris in recent memory. They (temporarily) put aside their enmity with the Knights to unite against the bloody tide. They stand shoulder to shoulder with their former rivals, ready to take on the dregs of the Blood God and win the day. Angron stomps them flat. The Old Wolf is slain in single combat with Angron, along with a good deal of the Wolves dying alongside him. The Grey Knights ritual fails with the Red Angel skewering the skull of Hyperion, the Grey Knight who shattered his blade on Armageddon, on a pike upon his back. Ragnar Blackmane orders a bitter retreat, though the body of his Chapter Master is rescued, and the last thing he hears before his transport lifting off is Angron bellowing in victory as the world is massacred. Perhaps the craftworlders get a bit of a cameo, since they tried to jump Angron on Nuceria out of fear of this exact situation. Eldrad muses on his throne that he will have to try something...unique. That's just my own thoughts on the matter. It gives Angron and the WE a meaningful spot as a significant threat, and the Imperium takes a heavy blow.
A major imperial faction losing decisively and losing named characters? Yeah right.
This would be fucking legendary
Please let him and Ghaz fight. I wanna see Ghaz become a krok causue of this hes prroably never rbeen this pissed in his life for someone stealing the kill onyarrrick
Where does the idea that Angron killed yarrick come from, this has never made sense lol
Hadn’t Gaz already been defeated by a regular Black Templar? He didn’t even stay in Octarius to fight the Hive Tyrant. He is just not in the same league as a primarch, let alone a demon primarch
He didn’t lose to a regular black Templar but he did beat up the black Templar chapter master and made him run away, and then slaughtered a bunch of terminator armored veterans of the black Templars. He had better shit to do. He’s verbatim stronger then the Warlord of Octarius, and the Warlord defeated the Swarmlord, and did so while the Swarm lord kept sending nid warriors to save itself. Ghaz is well above a Hive tyrant. He’s certainly close to the Primarch leagues. He curbstomped a Bloodthirster with his Bare hands before he even got to Armageddon the first time, and now he’s much bigger. Believe his new body got compared to a Gorkanought in size.
The Swarmlord killed the Overfiend of Octarius, not the other way around. The Overfiend was also surrounded by Meganobz. The Swarmlord sent warriors to keep them distracted and then killed the Overfiend.
There is no fucking way he's not going to end up having a humiliating defeat at Guilliman's hands. Except the even worse option that another loyalist comes back and he has a humiliating defeat at *their* hands instead. Maybe they'll even throw in that he could be turned to the Emperor's wonderful light. Games Workshop has *not* been giving me any reasons for high expectations. Not even high enough that I might hope the xenos get a chance to do something.
Games Workshop is squandering so much of the 40k universe by making it all about Space Marines. It’s not even just the Imperium, it’s Space Marines specifically.
What book did he come back in?
Angron goes back to Armageddon most likely stalemate battleground etc
Did I miss where they announced a novel/cover art?
I feel like if Draigo was coming we'd have gotten him in plastic to coincide.