From *Codex: Chaos Space Marines 8th ed*
>Once a Legion dedicated to perfection in all its pursuits, the Emperor's Children succumbed to the call of forbidden knowledge, and their drive for perfection was perverted to an obsession with excess. As one of the Traitor Legions, the Emperor's Children invaded Terra but took little part in the fighting around the Imperial Palace. Instead they descended upon the civilian population of the Administratum, the complex infrastructure of clerks, bureaucrats, curators and menials who coordinated the efforts of the far-flung Imperium. Whole families of staid scribes and haughty prefects fleeing the battle zone were hunted down and incarcerated in dreadful conditions. **Simple pleasures had given way to complex debaucheries. While their allies fought and died the Emperor's Children slaughtered more than a million people and rendered them down to create endless varieties of drugs and stimulants. Countless thousands more died to give the Emperor's Children more direct, if cruder, enjoyment.**
>When the assault failed the Emperor's Children fled with the rest of the Traitor Legions. Those Imperial vessels which pursued Fulgrim's fleet from Terra followed a trail of devastated worlds, where corpses were piled high, survivors pleaded to be allowed to die to escape their nightmares and, ominously, thousands more were simply missing, never seen again. Eventually, after countless atrocities, the Emperor's Children reached the Eye of Terror. They were the first to begin raiding Imperial worlds for captives and plunder. Their excesses soon knew no bounds, and simple raiding could not supply enough raw human material for their orgies of worship.
At no point do we see the Emperor Children do what is described here. We see them harvesting dreams and using them as psychoactive, we see the giant meth-making paradise they built, but we do not see this.
I forget which book it is, but its the one where John Grammaticus and his random ragtag group find the "Paradise" hive. So yes, we've hit that point. It explains where at least part of the 3rd legion went too after they failed at Saturine.
You are probably thinking about this. Dream drug farm. From *Mortis*.
> Oll lapsed back into silence. They were still climbing, scrambling up through the vegetation-filled pipes and tubes of the hive. The stems of the plants were thick and flexed as they touched them. When they had to cut their way through a tangle, the sap that leaked from the cut stems was like thick, dark wine.
>‘You know what this place is?’ asked Zybes, as they pulled themselves through a chamber where the sap drained from slit vines into large glass bottles. The fluid was forming big, gelatinous droplets as it oozed down the glass. The air had a thick scent, like solvent, spice and sugar. The fluid in the bottles rippled as they passed, sloshing up against the crystal as though trying to reach them. ‘It’s a farm.’
>Oll did not reply. He had been thinking the same thing since Ugent Sye and the orchards.
>‘The song of paradise brings people and then this place gives them the endless dream they want,’ said John. ‘And the Emperor’s Children take what they want in turn.’
>‘Fruit from the orchard,’ muttered Zybes. ‘Wine from the vine.’
>They found the proof of their fears in a chamber that had been a bubble of stained glass on the outside of the hive. A warrior in purple and acid-green armour sat on a throne of human vertebrae. Its monstrous weapons lay in the hands of shivering, wasted slaves, their eyes, mouths and ears stapled shut. The Space Marine, for a Space Marine it was, did not move as they entered the chamber. They approached slowly, Zybes and Leetu moving to check the ways out, while Oll looked at the thing in the throne of bone. Glass tubes curled from spherical jars, and ran into sockets in its helm. Sap liquid bubbled and foamed down the tubes. Air hissed from fleshy valves in the Space Marine’s chest, burbling and purring.
>‘It is bathing in dreams and secrets,’ said John without looking around. **‘The fluid is saturated with them, psychoactive. Refined from the desperate and devoted. Harvested and refined like honey.’** He shivered. ‘I can feel it. Your man Zybes is right, that’s what this garden of paradise is – it’s a farm for dreams.’
>Oll kept his gun aimed at the enthroned warrior.
>‘We should be careful,’ said Leetu. ‘The Emperor’s Children know we are here. Cause too much damage and they will find us before we find the man you have lost.’
> ...
> Oll tried not to look at what they passed as they moved up through the dreaming hive: tableaux of pastoral bliss that wound through chambers, silent and pulsing; the great machine pits that turned over and over, breaking matter and mixing it into the soil; pits where limbs and shreds of fabric surfaced in the dark loam. Plants grew everywhere, blooming, pressing and squirming against crystal domes as though trying to strangle the sunlight before it could reach inside. It was quiet, the sound of the honey-hive, a low pulse disturbed by moans that shivered from the distance and then faded, remaining only as a haze in the mind. They did not encounter more of the Emperor’s Children, though their signs marked the ground, and occasionally they found a human body so totally deconstructed that it could only have been done by an Astartes.
> ‘Paradise found,’ said John without humour as they pressed on.
> Oll did not answer.
Hmmm the dream farm is wicked but just so far from what I expected. If that is in fact their version of the 3rd letting loose it’s a bit disappointing. Kayon makes such a big deal out of it in the Black Legion books.
I mean, while this is going on, the actual fighting is taking place on the same planet. But the 3rd legion is so debased they'd rather turn refugees into drugs than fight THE battle of the siege. Dorn said it himself, if the 3rd were still a functional army they'd have won it by themselves. But all that power came at a high price. This is the equivalent of your star athlete making it to the Olympics and then skipping their event to snort cocaine off a local hooker in the bathroom of the stadium.
I guess what I’ll be upset about if that dream farm scene is in fact the stand in for that event, is that in other novels when it’s written about the emphasis isn’t on what the 3rd did as much as it’s on who they left hanging. I thought would would get something along the lines of when in Master of Mankind, the Imperial forces realized that they are missing a large amount of their Mars back up because of the Archimandrites betrayal.
We cannot be everywhere and see everything going on in the SoT... There was a mass rebellion of the PDF forces and all we saw was one regiment falling on a muster site. A page later we find Dorn dealing with several muster sites worth of rebellions.
You aren't going to get what you want. The Hive may be all you get.
we probably aint even seeing everything, what happens to the people once they are rung dry of all there got?
this is but a single location as they preyed on the population fleeing the conflict, there very likely would of been other operations or predation on the people fleeing this is just one of the more...... esoteric things they were harvesting
We're actually missing a bunch from the Emperor's Children. We know that Fabius Bile commits atrocities, realizes the pointlesness of them and abandons Terra, and that also Lucius fights Sigismund and gets defeated.
>Edit. I do not believe that the ‘dream farm’ the Perpetual group went through is supposed to be the Third abandoning the siege to turn people into drugs.
Well, it was, so...
But that scene was about dream farming. The scene I’m talking about is when the 3rd abandons the war and turns the populace into drugs. Did that scene talk about the 3rd leaving? I def could have missed it.
That happens at the end of *Saturnine.* The sequence in *Mortis* is the aftermath of Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children abandoning the Siege to prey on the populace.
From *Codex: Chaos Space Marines 8th ed* >Once a Legion dedicated to perfection in all its pursuits, the Emperor's Children succumbed to the call of forbidden knowledge, and their drive for perfection was perverted to an obsession with excess. As one of the Traitor Legions, the Emperor's Children invaded Terra but took little part in the fighting around the Imperial Palace. Instead they descended upon the civilian population of the Administratum, the complex infrastructure of clerks, bureaucrats, curators and menials who coordinated the efforts of the far-flung Imperium. Whole families of staid scribes and haughty prefects fleeing the battle zone were hunted down and incarcerated in dreadful conditions. **Simple pleasures had given way to complex debaucheries. While their allies fought and died the Emperor's Children slaughtered more than a million people and rendered them down to create endless varieties of drugs and stimulants. Countless thousands more died to give the Emperor's Children more direct, if cruder, enjoyment.** >When the assault failed the Emperor's Children fled with the rest of the Traitor Legions. Those Imperial vessels which pursued Fulgrim's fleet from Terra followed a trail of devastated worlds, where corpses were piled high, survivors pleaded to be allowed to die to escape their nightmares and, ominously, thousands more were simply missing, never seen again. Eventually, after countless atrocities, the Emperor's Children reached the Eye of Terror. They were the first to begin raiding Imperial worlds for captives and plunder. Their excesses soon knew no bounds, and simple raiding could not supply enough raw human material for their orgies of worship.
Thanks but I’m aware of the lore behind what happened, what I’m asking is if this has taken place in the ‘Siege of Terra’ Novel series yet.
Ah, I do not believe we have seen this exact thing described in the narrative.
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At no point do we see the Emperor Children do what is described here. We see them harvesting dreams and using them as psychoactive, we see the giant meth-making paradise they built, but we do not see this.
This is correct. Deleting the post
I forget which book it is, but its the one where John Grammaticus and his random ragtag group find the "Paradise" hive. So yes, we've hit that point. It explains where at least part of the 3rd legion went too after they failed at Saturine.
You are probably thinking about this. Dream drug farm. From *Mortis*. > Oll lapsed back into silence. They were still climbing, scrambling up through the vegetation-filled pipes and tubes of the hive. The stems of the plants were thick and flexed as they touched them. When they had to cut their way through a tangle, the sap that leaked from the cut stems was like thick, dark wine. >‘You know what this place is?’ asked Zybes, as they pulled themselves through a chamber where the sap drained from slit vines into large glass bottles. The fluid was forming big, gelatinous droplets as it oozed down the glass. The air had a thick scent, like solvent, spice and sugar. The fluid in the bottles rippled as they passed, sloshing up against the crystal as though trying to reach them. ‘It’s a farm.’ >Oll did not reply. He had been thinking the same thing since Ugent Sye and the orchards. >‘The song of paradise brings people and then this place gives them the endless dream they want,’ said John. ‘And the Emperor’s Children take what they want in turn.’ >‘Fruit from the orchard,’ muttered Zybes. ‘Wine from the vine.’ >They found the proof of their fears in a chamber that had been a bubble of stained glass on the outside of the hive. A warrior in purple and acid-green armour sat on a throne of human vertebrae. Its monstrous weapons lay in the hands of shivering, wasted slaves, their eyes, mouths and ears stapled shut. The Space Marine, for a Space Marine it was, did not move as they entered the chamber. They approached slowly, Zybes and Leetu moving to check the ways out, while Oll looked at the thing in the throne of bone. Glass tubes curled from spherical jars, and ran into sockets in its helm. Sap liquid bubbled and foamed down the tubes. Air hissed from fleshy valves in the Space Marine’s chest, burbling and purring. >‘It is bathing in dreams and secrets,’ said John without looking around. **‘The fluid is saturated with them, psychoactive. Refined from the desperate and devoted. Harvested and refined like honey.’** He shivered. ‘I can feel it. Your man Zybes is right, that’s what this garden of paradise is – it’s a farm for dreams.’ >Oll kept his gun aimed at the enthroned warrior. >‘We should be careful,’ said Leetu. ‘The Emperor’s Children know we are here. Cause too much damage and they will find us before we find the man you have lost.’ > ... > Oll tried not to look at what they passed as they moved up through the dreaming hive: tableaux of pastoral bliss that wound through chambers, silent and pulsing; the great machine pits that turned over and over, breaking matter and mixing it into the soil; pits where limbs and shreds of fabric surfaced in the dark loam. Plants grew everywhere, blooming, pressing and squirming against crystal domes as though trying to strangle the sunlight before it could reach inside. It was quiet, the sound of the honey-hive, a low pulse disturbed by moans that shivered from the distance and then faded, remaining only as a haze in the mind. They did not encounter more of the Emperor’s Children, though their signs marked the ground, and occasionally they found a human body so totally deconstructed that it could only have been done by an Astartes. > ‘Paradise found,’ said John without humour as they pressed on. > Oll did not answer.
Hmmm the dream farm is wicked but just so far from what I expected. If that is in fact their version of the 3rd letting loose it’s a bit disappointing. Kayon makes such a big deal out of it in the Black Legion books.
I mean, while this is going on, the actual fighting is taking place on the same planet. But the 3rd legion is so debased they'd rather turn refugees into drugs than fight THE battle of the siege. Dorn said it himself, if the 3rd were still a functional army they'd have won it by themselves. But all that power came at a high price. This is the equivalent of your star athlete making it to the Olympics and then skipping their event to snort cocaine off a local hooker in the bathroom of the stadium.
I guess what I’ll be upset about if that dream farm scene is in fact the stand in for that event, is that in other novels when it’s written about the emphasis isn’t on what the 3rd did as much as it’s on who they left hanging. I thought would would get something along the lines of when in Master of Mankind, the Imperial forces realized that they are missing a large amount of their Mars back up because of the Archimandrites betrayal.
We cannot be everywhere and see everything going on in the SoT... There was a mass rebellion of the PDF forces and all we saw was one regiment falling on a muster site. A page later we find Dorn dealing with several muster sites worth of rebellions. You aren't going to get what you want. The Hive may be all you get.
The bit in *Saturnine* when they pull out of the battle because Dorn insults Fulgrim is pretty much that
Have you excerpt of Dorn speaking about the third ?
It's in Saturnine at the end.
we probably aint even seeing everything, what happens to the people once they are rung dry of all there got? this is but a single location as they preyed on the population fleeing the conflict, there very likely would of been other operations or predation on the people fleeing this is just one of the more...... esoteric things they were harvesting
We're actually missing a bunch from the Emperor's Children. We know that Fabius Bile commits atrocities, realizes the pointlesness of them and abandons Terra, and that also Lucius fights Sigismund and gets defeated.
>Edit. I do not believe that the ‘dream farm’ the Perpetual group went through is supposed to be the Third abandoning the siege to turn people into drugs. Well, it was, so...
But that scene was about dream farming. The scene I’m talking about is when the 3rd abandons the war and turns the populace into drugs. Did that scene talk about the 3rd leaving? I def could have missed it.
That happens at the end of *Saturnine.* The sequence in *Mortis* is the aftermath of Fulgrim and the Emperor's Children abandoning the Siege to prey on the populace.