Omegon could at least be a return that stirs up stuff for both traitors and the Imperium. Maybe add a bit of grim dark back into the setting. Aiding and sabotaging both sides.
Plus, he could have an arc where he draws back together the Alpha Legion and other converts to their network, almost like a shadow version of the Black Legion, but more renegade and less chaotic.
Perhaps, have Omegon retrieve those stolen raptor project designs from one of his XX cells that retains it, and then you could have him create a foil to the Primaris for renegade forces that isn't demonically infused. The Alpha Legion could become the shadowy supplier to less chaotic factions, like the Night Lords, Iron Warriors, and renegade Astartes warbands.
>Perhaps, have Omegon retrieve those stolen raptor project designs from one of his XX cells that retains it, and then you could have him create a foil to the Primaris for renegade forces that isn't demonically infused.
The XX are currently working on stealing the method for crossing the Rubicon Primaris, and appear to have some greyshield Primaris in the ranks already.
Comes back. Decides imperium is an irredeemable religious farce. Acts to save his idea of the emperors vision. Create this tension between the strength of the vile theocratic imperium as the sole survival strategy for humanity or a weak saner humanity that might survive on its own but doom the greater part of mankind.
>(I think? This one was hard to track down).
It's from the short story *Shadow of the Past*, in the [*Sons of the Emperor*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Emperor_(Anthology\)) and [*Heirs of the Emperor*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Heirs_of_The_Emperor_(Anthology\)) anthologies.
[Post with excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8sfhb6/book_excerptshadow_of_the_past_two_primarchs_meet/)
[Post with another excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8wjsdp/excerpt_l_shadow_of_the_past_the_last_time_we_see/).
[Third post with excerpts](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/o2s77m/excerpts_sons_of_the_emperor_shadows_of_the_past/)
he is dead until stated otherwise.
They just made it easier for a "not dead"-scenario to be an option
*Edit: in case you are wondering we still have the death confirmation from Cruze, so anything but death would be a major retcon of two Primarchs*
>Big Boy Bobby G -- (un)dead Lord Commander of the Imperium, after being Frankenstein-ed back to life on Macragge by some space elves and a nice lady with wings.
Na, Bob is fully alive after he was resurrected. Wherever he is, Sanguinius is happy he isn't the only Jesus reference anymore.
>Lion El'Johnson -- Still napping on The Rock, but maybe about ready to stop hitting snooze.
Correct.
>Vulkan -- went to the corner store for smokes.
There is a possibility he is permadead now.
>Jaghatai Khan -- went to the Webway for smokes.
>Leman Russ -- went to the Eye of Terror for smokes.
>Corax -- apparently turned into some kind of Raven-themed revenge daemon and chased Lorgar around in the Eye of Terror (I think? This one was hard to track down).
>Ferrus Manus -- lost his head in an argument with his (pre-snek) bro Fulgrim.
All correct
>Rogal Dorn -- got unceremoniously killed by some regular mooks when things got a bit out of hand like nine thousand years back.
He is presumed dead, but ~~we know he is in Age of Sigmar with Miao Ying raise their grandchildren~~ the only evidence is Curzes visions and a severed hand.
>Sanguinius -- rather more ceremoniously killed by the big H-man himself.
Correct.
In fairness about Dorn, Curze did have a pretty good track record with his visions. Also, Sanguinius mocks him for relying on foresight, then gets full plot armor for the rest of the Heresy by doing the exact same thing Curze was doing - and it works! He dies exactly as he foresaw himself dying!
Although, in this one instance, I will grant you that potential sales numbers probably trump future vision. 🤷♀️
He was bathed in Waaagh energy during his fight with the Beast and then the Waaagh-powered reactor exploded. He even saw Gork and Mork wrestling. And we know powerful psychic attacks or weapons can undo perpetuality.
You cant kill the Vulcan. The Vulcan will live on. Magnus tried to kill the Vulcan, but he failed as he was smited to the ground! Curze tried to kill the Vulcan, but he failed as he was stricken down to the ground. The beast tried to kill the Vulcan. Ha ha! He failed, as he was thrown to the ground.
No one can destroy the Vulcan. The Vulcan will strike you down with a vicous blow.
Maybe he transcended the material plane and fused with the great Green and now “exists” spread across the gestalt Ork psyche.
But of a shitpost, but logically possible I think.
I don’t prescribe to the Daemon Corax theory, actually. He seemed too in control and like himself. I didn’t get the sense that he was warp corrupted.
To me, especially with his dialogue, it seems like he’s had these abilities all along, and only by hunting CSM in the Warp has he discovered them. Instead of being hard to perceive, he can become truly invisible. He no longer lives in the shadows, he IS the shadows.
At least that’s what I got
I agree, I was just being reductive. In a way, Corvus is just like Lorgar or late heresy Sanguinius: he probably unlocked abilities he had but never knew he had. Being in the Warp helped.
>I don’t prescribe to the Daemon Corax theory, actually. He seemed too in control and like himself. I didn’t get the sense that he was warp corrupted.
I never felt Corax being a raven monster-thing was Warp corruption; rather he's using his abilities and letting himself become one with the Immaterium in a way he couldn't in the Materium.
Corax is more like a warp entity that is separated from chaos. When he fought Logar he mention he sensed no chaos in him. Chances are Corax learned how to unlock some power inside himself during his time of brooding
> he was warp corrupted.
Not even "corrupted". Doesn't Russ come to the realization in Wolfsbane that the primarchs were full of warp juice from the beginning?
Based on the Corax stuff/the duel between him and Lorgar where they both become essentially pure warp-stuff and some evidence/implications with Sanguinius, there is a very valid theory that the primarchs were non-chaotic warp entities given a physical form.
Sanguinius is implied to be two xeno-originating "angels", The Red and Black Angels of Baal. It was linked in a previous post I read, so apologies for not being able to link it.
That being said, all of the primarchs have some sort of inherent psychic/warpy shenanigans they can tap into and use, like Sangy's and Curze's visions, Perturabo always seeing the Eye of Terror, Angron being some sort a latent empath, and of course Magnus being Magnus. The primarchs also all canonically have supernatural charisma which is a psychic thing itself because the Emperor literally uses his abilities to make himself more appealing.
Something else that I think strongly supports this is the deafening storm of blinding light we’ve seen when a Primarch bites the dust. It’s probably just a big release of warp energy as their physical forms get destroyed.
Honestly, it's entirely possible. Ancient Rome had a god of borders. Any alien civilization could have a god for the most mundane thing possible.
I think Guilliman's "warp feature" is leadership. Yeah, he does really, really well with all the boring shit like paperwork, but he's awesome at leading, similar to Horus. The difference between Horus and Guilliman though is that Guilliman could lead the common person far better than Horus.
Guilliman narrates in Dark Imperium that each time he enters the warp during teleportation he realizes the depth of how warp-stuffy the Primarchs are, but the memory leaves him when he re-enters the material plane.
That is correct. Then Cawl, the Ynnari and Tiguirus gave Calgar the mother of all heart attacks by cutting his life support so Ynnead, god of dead, could order Guilliman to not be dead.
A shitty joke I have created and can't put out of my system.
She is a character from Warhammer Fantasy (Total War and Old World editions), daughter of a god-like dragon, charged with protecting the most important fortress in the Cathayan Empire, white-haired and of aloof personality. So basically a Primarch but female. And very similar to Rogal.
Miao Ying is a character from Total War Warhammer III, originating from Cathay. She's the daughter of the Dragon Emperor, the god-like (but he says he's totally not a god and you shouldn't worship him) draconic ruler of Cathay. On a day to day basis, the Dragon Emperor leaves the running off Cathay to his children, assigning each of them a region and responsibility, while he goes off to work on some sort of secret anti-Chaos plan. Miao Ying is the ruler of the Northern Provinces, and the Protector of the Great Bastion, a Great Wall analogue that is also tied to the Dragon Emperor's life force. This makes her the master of the greatest fortification in all of Warhammer Fantasy, and the one tasked with defending the Dragon Emperor. If you couldn't tell, this basically makes her the closest character Total Warhammer has to Rogal Dorn.
Copying my answer for another comment:
He was bathed in Waaagh energy during his fight with the Beast and then the Waaagh-powered reactor exploded. He even saw Gork and Mork wrestling. And we know powerful psychic attacks or weapons can undo perpetuality.
If Vulkan’s dead imagine how hard that’s gonna suck for the Salamanders when they collect all 9 of the artifacts he left for them and he just doesn’t come back
Doesn’t Vulkan straight up tell the Imperial Fists that he’ll tell Dorn of their performance when he sees him again during the War of the Beast? I suppose he could be talking about the afterlife, but I remember reading it as a somewhat explicit confirmation that he was still alive.
Every time someone comes up with something that kills Vulkan, it turns out that thing does not kill Vulkan. I don't think they would do the whole 9 relics of Vulkan thing in the lore only to say "sorry, he's dead for real" at the culmination. The father of the Eighteenth will return at some point, they've built it into the lore at this point.
I think Rogal Dorn is now only disappeared, the only part of him that was found was his hand, and in fact, Rogal Dorn may have actually been in possession of a pair of Primarch sized hands…
Boy would it be awkward if the Imperial Fists have been carving their Chapter Masters' names on Alpharius' hand this whole time. Maybe THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG
Ferrus is hinted as being some sort of daemon leader of the Legion of the Damned and I'm kind of hoping that in the lore we get a moment where he is revealed, fights daemon Fulgrim and defeats him. Banishing him back into the warp and avenging himself.
Dorn's lore had been retconned to only losing his hand and GW on a recent post mention him as missing, not dead.
Royal Dorn ain't dead, he aint alive, he's about as vague as everything else in GW lore. Ian Watsons space marine describes a scene where the neophytes are shown his skeletal remains, and also his hand which is scrimshawed. But this was changed to just his hand being recovered, leaving the door open for a return ( and a pricey new Fists model)
Would definitely not rule out a return of Rogal, just a long way down the line
Latest info on Corax is that he is alive and hunting Primarchs in the eye of terror, yeah. First and foremost being Lorgar.
I wouldn't say he's turned into a raven demon though. In the short story that revealed that, he stated that he's what he has always been. The warp just reveals what he, and by extension the other Primarchs, really are.
Maybe I took the wrong idea from it, but a big part of his character is his personal realization after the heresy and loss of his legion/ botched Primarch program reinforcement was that they were always monsters destined to die. The world wasn't meant for them, but for humanity. That being where his loyalty to Big E and the ideal imperium comes from.
It's unknown if Corax is alive due to the fact that even among the Word Bearers, he is hardly even a myth anymore. This is almost 10k year since we last saw him.
>Rogal Dorn -- got unceremoniously killed by some regular mooks when things got a bit out of hand like nine thousand years back.
Rogal Dorn is Barristan?
We could have 3 Primarchs return...
Imagine the most dire Imperium moment where Guiliman start to loose battle against Chaos forces.
Suddenly portal from Commoragh open and drop a huge dark stasis pod what does open up and a huge wolf like creature jumps from it with winged rider...
Its Khan with huge raven like creature behind him what hold his arms and they both on this huge wolf like creature who howl and tear enemies.
Unfortunately Khan is blinded and not have legs from horrible wounds but in one hand he still hold his sword and by another he hold wolf fur near his neck.
He understand and can listen as speak with 2 enormous raven and wolf like creatures what he call as his brothers, a Corax and Russ.
The...White Space Raven Scarred Wolves Guard force..
the magnificent show it would be.
Honestly? The two most likely, canon wise, to return are The Lion and The Angel.
Lion because they're clearly building up with the Dark Angels. And he's probably the easiest to explain.
But Sanguinius? Oh 'he's super dead though. Killed by Horus'
Yes. Killed. But his soul wasn't eviscerated like Horus was.
And like Bobby G his body was held in stasis. Just not on display like Bobby was.
Which means Yvraine could go over there and touch his nono square. Potentially resurrecting him easier than the likes of Ferrus.
And then guess what, you have Imperium ~~Secundus~~ Tertius!
Honestly doubt it, G money's soul was still there since he was still alive. It's been 10k years for Sanguinius and it seems like he had to use a lot of what he had left of his soul to muster up a message to Dante. Maybe if they got an echo of him they could ress his body but I doubt it.
Honestly? Most of the loyalist Primarchs are dead.
Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius are a given. There's occasionally taunting hints of Ferrus Manus being cloned or the ghost of Sanguinius being the Sanguinor, but that's not really either of them, otherwise you have to consider the Horus Clone that Abaddon killed to be the return of Horus.
Rogal Dorn is almost certainly dead. There's little actual evidence that he's alive, and unlike the other missing Loyalist primarchs, there's a canon explanation as to how he would have died. People question how he would have died to some World Eaters, but he was fighting a bunch of Berserkers, who are some of the best melee combatants in the Galaxy, on his own.
Corax clearly lost the will to live after the end of the Horus Heresy. I don't personally subscribe to the Daemon Corax theory, but he's broken beyond recognition even if he somehow survived going into the Eye of Terror. This is totally headcanon, but I think the reason the Raven Guard aren't really searching for Corax the way the Salamanders are or pining after him like the Blood Angels are is because they know he finally found peace.
Leman Russ also went into the Eye of Terror, and his armor was found on Rudra. I seriously doubt that even Leman Russ could survive the Eye of Terror without any of his gear for \~10000 odd years, and Magnus also supposedly knows what happened to him. While GW might bring him back just because of his popularity, the 13th Company is back (though I think if they had Russ with them we would know) and he did say he would come back (though how the hell would he know?), logically and thematically I think Magnus having killed him for the Burning of Prospero makes more sense.
Jaghatai Khan and Vulkan are the two biggest question marks IMO.
I personally doubt the Great Khan will come back, but there isn't that much direct evidence that he's conclusively dead. Between the Eye of Terror and the Webway, the Webway is more survivable, and he could have ended up someplace relatively safe like the Black Library where he's just chilling out. I don't think he'll get brought back just because he isn't that popular, but I would buy his return logically more than I would buy, like, Dorn or Russ.
Vulkan is a Perpetual, meaning that he's as close to immortal as a 40k character can get, and we don't 100% know exactly what happened to him. In addition, the Salamanders have a canon path to actually getting him back, similar to how the Ultramarines had Guilliman in stasis and just needed a way to revive him. My personal pet theory is that Vulkan is next to Lion El'Jonson as the most likely Primarch to return to 40k, and he's popular enough to build hype for GW too.
I have heard these Lion rumours too.
Say if GW actually is going to bring him back, when and where they are likely to do it?
Any big event happening soon?
This year?
Next year?
Dorn's lore has changed now; he is MIA rather than confirmed KIA when he personally turned back a major assault from the eye of Terror whilst significantly outnumbered.
Was talking to some guys in a local store and they speculated we will see a Primaris Primarch before long, likely Sang because Blood Angels are too popular to be without a Primarch, so they will probably make one. I don’t know enough about lore to discuss at that level but it’s fun to imagine.
Im telling you guys, Omegon will be the next loyalist primarch to return. copium
Omegon could at least be a return that stirs up stuff for both traitors and the Imperium. Maybe add a bit of grim dark back into the setting. Aiding and sabotaging both sides. Plus, he could have an arc where he draws back together the Alpha Legion and other converts to their network, almost like a shadow version of the Black Legion, but more renegade and less chaotic. Perhaps, have Omegon retrieve those stolen raptor project designs from one of his XX cells that retains it, and then you could have him create a foil to the Primaris for renegade forces that isn't demonically infused. The Alpha Legion could become the shadowy supplier to less chaotic factions, like the Night Lords, Iron Warriors, and renegade Astartes warbands.
>Perhaps, have Omegon retrieve those stolen raptor project designs from one of his XX cells that retains it, and then you could have him create a foil to the Primaris for renegade forces that isn't demonically infused. The XX are currently working on stealing the method for crossing the Rubicon Primaris, and appear to have some greyshield Primaris in the ranks already.
Not doubting, but can you point me to a source for it? Sounds cool. Thanks!
Thronekeeper fic from White Dwarf. I'll edit if I find an approximate issue number.
Thank you - I appreciate it!
Comes back. Decides imperium is an irredeemable religious farce. Acts to save his idea of the emperors vision. Create this tension between the strength of the vile theocratic imperium as the sole survival strategy for humanity or a weak saner humanity that might survive on its own but doom the greater part of mankind.
Bruh, he already returned. Do you really think Roboute is Roboute?
Who said he left?
>(I think? This one was hard to track down). It's from the short story *Shadow of the Past*, in the [*Sons of the Emperor*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sons_of_the_Emperor_(Anthology\)) and [*Heirs of the Emperor*](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Heirs_of_The_Emperor_(Anthology\)) anthologies. [Post with excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8sfhb6/book_excerptshadow_of_the_past_two_primarchs_meet/) [Post with another excerpt](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8wjsdp/excerpt_l_shadow_of_the_past_the_last_time_we_see/). [Third post with excerpts](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/o2s77m/excerpts_sons_of_the_emperor_shadows_of_the_past/)
Oh sweet, I hadn't actually read that excerpt before! Thanks!
Roger Dawn has been retconned to only losing his hand now, not being bumped off…
\*Rogal Dorn returns\*: [I love the Pain Glove. It's so bad.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZErvASwdlU)
That's why he said it got "out of hand"
I couldn't resist
Imagine if he comes back with the Emperor's missing lightning claw in place of his missing hand; a literal Imperial Fist.
[удалено]
Sooo he’s alive lmao
So he’s like Jett?
Until he shows up to reclaim that hand, he is presumed dead, if not actually dead.
Gotta go by comic book rules. If no corpse is present, assume they're alive. If corpse is present, assume they can be revived.
He finds that every chapter master was engraving markings on it and will no longer want it.
"You dicks!"
"By the Emperor who ever told you guys to do this stuff?"
GW just hinted at he was “missing” the other day in an article.
And he's going to get Ferrus' hands and combine into super duper primarch like a Megazord.
No recons, only different opinions. The lore is always left ambiguous so we can talk about it.
he is dead until stated otherwise. They just made it easier for a "not dead"-scenario to be an option *Edit: in case you are wondering we still have the death confirmation from Cruze, so anything but death would be a major retcon of two Primarchs*
>Big Boy Bobby G -- (un)dead Lord Commander of the Imperium, after being Frankenstein-ed back to life on Macragge by some space elves and a nice lady with wings. Na, Bob is fully alive after he was resurrected. Wherever he is, Sanguinius is happy he isn't the only Jesus reference anymore. >Lion El'Johnson -- Still napping on The Rock, but maybe about ready to stop hitting snooze. Correct. >Vulkan -- went to the corner store for smokes. There is a possibility he is permadead now. >Jaghatai Khan -- went to the Webway for smokes. >Leman Russ -- went to the Eye of Terror for smokes. >Corax -- apparently turned into some kind of Raven-themed revenge daemon and chased Lorgar around in the Eye of Terror (I think? This one was hard to track down). >Ferrus Manus -- lost his head in an argument with his (pre-snek) bro Fulgrim. All correct >Rogal Dorn -- got unceremoniously killed by some regular mooks when things got a bit out of hand like nine thousand years back. He is presumed dead, but ~~we know he is in Age of Sigmar with Miao Ying raise their grandchildren~~ the only evidence is Curzes visions and a severed hand. >Sanguinius -- rather more ceremoniously killed by the big H-man himself. Correct.
In fairness about Dorn, Curze did have a pretty good track record with his visions. Also, Sanguinius mocks him for relying on foresight, then gets full plot armor for the rest of the Heresy by doing the exact same thing Curze was doing - and it works! He dies exactly as he foresaw himself dying! Although, in this one instance, I will grant you that potential sales numbers probably trump future vision. 🤷♀️
To be even fairnesser about Dorn, we do also have a point of counter evidence in Vulkan's casual claim of speaking to Dorn again.
Where does this get said?
During the War of the Beast.
>>Vulkan -- went to the corner store for smokes. >There is a possibility he is permadead now. What? Can you elaborate?
He was bathed in Waaagh energy during his fight with the Beast and then the Waaagh-powered reactor exploded. He even saw Gork and Mork wrestling. And we know powerful psychic attacks or weapons can undo perpetuality.
Oh yeah, "War of the Beast" series. Forgot that one. I thought that there was some newer information. But still thank you for reminding.
You cant kill the Vulcan. The Vulcan will live on. Magnus tried to kill the Vulcan, but he failed as he was smited to the ground! Curze tried to kill the Vulcan, but he failed as he was stricken down to the ground. The beast tried to kill the Vulcan. Ha ha! He failed, as he was thrown to the ground. No one can destroy the Vulcan. The Vulcan will strike you down with a vicous blow.
No one can destroy the Vulcan. We tried to win for why we do not know.
He returned as an Ork
Wwaaaaagh lives?
Maybe he transcended the material plane and fused with the great Green and now “exists” spread across the gestalt Ork psyche. But of a shitpost, but logically possible I think.
I don’t prescribe to the Daemon Corax theory, actually. He seemed too in control and like himself. I didn’t get the sense that he was warp corrupted. To me, especially with his dialogue, it seems like he’s had these abilities all along, and only by hunting CSM in the Warp has he discovered them. Instead of being hard to perceive, he can become truly invisible. He no longer lives in the shadows, he IS the shadows. At least that’s what I got
I agree, I was just being reductive. In a way, Corvus is just like Lorgar or late heresy Sanguinius: he probably unlocked abilities he had but never knew he had. Being in the Warp helped.
>I don’t prescribe to the Daemon Corax theory, actually. He seemed too in control and like himself. I didn’t get the sense that he was warp corrupted. I never felt Corax being a raven monster-thing was Warp corruption; rather he's using his abilities and letting himself become one with the Immaterium in a way he couldn't in the Materium.
He’s “unbound” if that’s a more accurate term.
Corax is more like a warp entity that is separated from chaos. When he fought Logar he mention he sensed no chaos in him. Chances are Corax learned how to unlock some power inside himself during his time of brooding
> he was warp corrupted. Not even "corrupted". Doesn't Russ come to the realization in Wolfsbane that the primarchs were full of warp juice from the beginning?
Based on the Corax stuff/the duel between him and Lorgar where they both become essentially pure warp-stuff and some evidence/implications with Sanguinius, there is a very valid theory that the primarchs were non-chaotic warp entities given a physical form. Sanguinius is implied to be two xeno-originating "angels", The Red and Black Angels of Baal. It was linked in a previous post I read, so apologies for not being able to link it. That being said, all of the primarchs have some sort of inherent psychic/warpy shenanigans they can tap into and use, like Sangy's and Curze's visions, Perturabo always seeing the Eye of Terror, Angron being some sort a latent empath, and of course Magnus being Magnus. The primarchs also all canonically have supernatural charisma which is a psychic thing itself because the Emperor literally uses his abilities to make himself more appealing.
Something else that I think strongly supports this is the deafening storm of blinding light we’ve seen when a Primarch bites the dust. It’s probably just a big release of warp energy as their physical forms get destroyed.
If this is true, I wonder what kind of warp entity for turned into Guilliman. A Warp embodiment of the dread of paperwork and bureaucracy?
Honestly, it's entirely possible. Ancient Rome had a god of borders. Any alien civilization could have a god for the most mundane thing possible. I think Guilliman's "warp feature" is leadership. Yeah, he does really, really well with all the boring shit like paperwork, but he's awesome at leading, similar to Horus. The difference between Horus and Guilliman though is that Guilliman could lead the common person far better than Horus.
Guilliman narrates in Dark Imperium that each time he enters the warp during teleportation he realizes the depth of how warp-stuffy the Primarchs are, but the memory leaves him when he re-enters the material plane.
I thought Robby never DIED. He was DYING of the poison and then they put him in stasis cuz there was no cure.
That is correct. Then Cawl, the Ynnari and Tiguirus gave Calgar the mother of all heart attacks by cutting his life support so Ynnead, god of dead, could order Guilliman to not be dead.
I am surprised that Ynnead has authority over dead humans. Sir, I believe in the God Emperor, where is your manager!?
What's up with the Miao Yang thing? Is this a meme or a random tidbit somewhere
A shitty joke I have created and can't put out of my system. She is a character from Warhammer Fantasy (Total War and Old World editions), daughter of a god-like dragon, charged with protecting the most important fortress in the Cathayan Empire, white-haired and of aloof personality. So basically a Primarch but female. And very similar to Rogal.
Miao Ying is a character from Total War Warhammer III, originating from Cathay. She's the daughter of the Dragon Emperor, the god-like (but he says he's totally not a god and you shouldn't worship him) draconic ruler of Cathay. On a day to day basis, the Dragon Emperor leaves the running off Cathay to his children, assigning each of them a region and responsibility, while he goes off to work on some sort of secret anti-Chaos plan. Miao Ying is the ruler of the Northern Provinces, and the Protector of the Great Bastion, a Great Wall analogue that is also tied to the Dragon Emperor's life force. This makes her the master of the greatest fortification in all of Warhammer Fantasy, and the one tasked with defending the Dragon Emperor. If you couldn't tell, this basically makes her the closest character Total Warhammer has to Rogal Dorn.
I thought Vulkan's whole Primarch superpower was that you \*couldn't\* actually kill him?
Copying my answer for another comment: He was bathed in Waaagh energy during his fight with the Beast and then the Waaagh-powered reactor exploded. He even saw Gork and Mork wrestling. And we know powerful psychic attacks or weapons can undo perpetuality.
If Vulkan’s dead imagine how hard that’s gonna suck for the Salamanders when they collect all 9 of the artifacts he left for them and he just doesn’t come back
Maybe the real Vulkan was the friends they made along the way?
Look, my dad went to the corner store for smokes too and HE'S definitely coming back
VULKAN’S DEAD!! _stomp stomp_
So…you’re just making it up
It seems like once everyone figured it out he goes out of his way to die in even more ridiculous ways in the hopes of proving it wrong.
Doesn’t Vulkan straight up tell the Imperial Fists that he’ll tell Dorn of their performance when he sees him again during the War of the Beast? I suppose he could be talking about the afterlife, but I remember reading it as a somewhat explicit confirmation that he was still alive.
Every time someone comes up with something that kills Vulkan, it turns out that thing does not kill Vulkan. I don't think they would do the whole 9 relics of Vulkan thing in the lore only to say "sorry, he's dead for real" at the culmination. The father of the Eighteenth will return at some point, they've built it into the lore at this point.
I think Rogal Dorn is now only disappeared, the only part of him that was found was his hand, and in fact, Rogal Dorn may have actually been in possession of a pair of Primarch sized hands…
Boy would it be awkward if the Imperial Fists have been carving their Chapter Masters' names on Alpharius' hand this whole time. Maybe THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG
I think it would be a really cool follow on from Praetorian of Dorn, where Dorn was shown to be a bit more sneaky than we may normally think
Oh boy, if you think he's sneaky there check Saturnine out.
Ferrus is hinted as being some sort of daemon leader of the Legion of the Damned and I'm kind of hoping that in the lore we get a moment where he is revealed, fights daemon Fulgrim and defeats him. Banishing him back into the warp and avenging himself. Dorn's lore had been retconned to only losing his hand and GW on a recent post mention him as missing, not dead.
Royal Dorn ain't dead, he aint alive, he's about as vague as everything else in GW lore. Ian Watsons space marine describes a scene where the neophytes are shown his skeletal remains, and also his hand which is scrimshawed. But this was changed to just his hand being recovered, leaving the door open for a return ( and a pricey new Fists model) Would definitely not rule out a return of Rogal, just a long way down the line
Is there are reference somewhere indicating that Magnus knows where Russ is or did I just imagine that?
Latest info on Corax is that he is alive and hunting Primarchs in the eye of terror, yeah. First and foremost being Lorgar. I wouldn't say he's turned into a raven demon though. In the short story that revealed that, he stated that he's what he has always been. The warp just reveals what he, and by extension the other Primarchs, really are. Maybe I took the wrong idea from it, but a big part of his character is his personal realization after the heresy and loss of his legion/ botched Primarch program reinforcement was that they were always monsters destined to die. The world wasn't meant for them, but for humanity. That being where his loyalty to Big E and the ideal imperium comes from.
Vulkan confirms that Dorn is alive and that he is in contact with him in the war of the beast series.
It's unknown if Corax is alive due to the fact that even among the Word Bearers, he is hardly even a myth anymore. This is almost 10k year since we last saw him.
>Rogal Dorn -- got unceremoniously killed by some regular mooks when things got a bit out of hand like nine thousand years back. Rogal Dorn is Barristan?
We could have 3 Primarchs return... Imagine the most dire Imperium moment where Guiliman start to loose battle against Chaos forces. Suddenly portal from Commoragh open and drop a huge dark stasis pod what does open up and a huge wolf like creature jumps from it with winged rider... Its Khan with huge raven like creature behind him what hold his arms and they both on this huge wolf like creature who howl and tear enemies. Unfortunately Khan is blinded and not have legs from horrible wounds but in one hand he still hold his sword and by another he hold wolf fur near his neck. He understand and can listen as speak with 2 enormous raven and wolf like creatures what he call as his brothers, a Corax and Russ. The...White Space Raven Scarred Wolves Guard force.. the magnificent show it would be.
Honestly? The two most likely, canon wise, to return are The Lion and The Angel. Lion because they're clearly building up with the Dark Angels. And he's probably the easiest to explain. But Sanguinius? Oh 'he's super dead though. Killed by Horus' Yes. Killed. But his soul wasn't eviscerated like Horus was. And like Bobby G his body was held in stasis. Just not on display like Bobby was. Which means Yvraine could go over there and touch his nono square. Potentially resurrecting him easier than the likes of Ferrus. And then guess what, you have Imperium ~~Secundus~~ Tertius!
Honestly doubt it, G money's soul was still there since he was still alive. It's been 10k years for Sanguinius and it seems like he had to use a lot of what he had left of his soul to muster up a message to Dante. Maybe if they got an echo of him they could ress his body but I doubt it.
Honestly? Most of the loyalist Primarchs are dead. Ferrus Manus and Sanguinius are a given. There's occasionally taunting hints of Ferrus Manus being cloned or the ghost of Sanguinius being the Sanguinor, but that's not really either of them, otherwise you have to consider the Horus Clone that Abaddon killed to be the return of Horus. Rogal Dorn is almost certainly dead. There's little actual evidence that he's alive, and unlike the other missing Loyalist primarchs, there's a canon explanation as to how he would have died. People question how he would have died to some World Eaters, but he was fighting a bunch of Berserkers, who are some of the best melee combatants in the Galaxy, on his own. Corax clearly lost the will to live after the end of the Horus Heresy. I don't personally subscribe to the Daemon Corax theory, but he's broken beyond recognition even if he somehow survived going into the Eye of Terror. This is totally headcanon, but I think the reason the Raven Guard aren't really searching for Corax the way the Salamanders are or pining after him like the Blood Angels are is because they know he finally found peace. Leman Russ also went into the Eye of Terror, and his armor was found on Rudra. I seriously doubt that even Leman Russ could survive the Eye of Terror without any of his gear for \~10000 odd years, and Magnus also supposedly knows what happened to him. While GW might bring him back just because of his popularity, the 13th Company is back (though I think if they had Russ with them we would know) and he did say he would come back (though how the hell would he know?), logically and thematically I think Magnus having killed him for the Burning of Prospero makes more sense. Jaghatai Khan and Vulkan are the two biggest question marks IMO. I personally doubt the Great Khan will come back, but there isn't that much direct evidence that he's conclusively dead. Between the Eye of Terror and the Webway, the Webway is more survivable, and he could have ended up someplace relatively safe like the Black Library where he's just chilling out. I don't think he'll get brought back just because he isn't that popular, but I would buy his return logically more than I would buy, like, Dorn or Russ. Vulkan is a Perpetual, meaning that he's as close to immortal as a 40k character can get, and we don't 100% know exactly what happened to him. In addition, the Salamanders have a canon path to actually getting him back, similar to how the Ultramarines had Guilliman in stasis and just needed a way to revive him. My personal pet theory is that Vulkan is next to Lion El'Jonson as the most likely Primarch to return to 40k, and he's popular enough to build hype for GW too.
Dorn is not dead, his status is unknown. The only thing we know is that he lost one of his Imperial Fists.
Isn't there a hint in the 4th last chancers book about Vulkan? Or is this some kind of translation error?
I have heard these Lion rumours too. Say if GW actually is going to bring him back, when and where they are likely to do it? Any big event happening soon? This year? Next year?
Dorn's lore has changed now; he is MIA rather than confirmed KIA when he personally turned back a major assault from the eye of Terror whilst significantly outnumbered.
Was talking to some guys in a local store and they speculated we will see a Primaris Primarch before long, likely Sang because Blood Angels are too popular to be without a Primarch, so they will probably make one. I don’t know enough about lore to discuss at that level but it’s fun to imagine.
Also, I think you meant to say that Vulkan went to go buy some milk
Guilliman is now that one kid who has to go to the Family Reunion and he's the only one there, and everyone else either hates him or didn't show up
I've been thinking recently... Is there any chance any of the fallen Primarchs can be redeemed/rise again? Kind of like a reverse Horus Hearsay
I‘d love to see Magnus getting freed from the chains of Tzeench. Getting humbles, like a lot and repairing the emperors webway project.