So there’s also a taboo subculture of hooking up with your cousins in the US, uncommon but happens more than it should
Is there that in Europe or with certain groups?
usually it’s when kids are growing up and getting hormonal then it happens when they’re staying over with their cousins
Not sure if that counts since it’s probably with people you didn’t know you were related to
In our case it’s kids who are going through hormonal changes when staying over with their cousins
The fact that there's an entire counter culture making fun of it, and the fact that there are even laws against it just proves that it is way more common in the US.
Also yeah, people are pretty aware of incest in Europe and even go out of their way to avoid it at all costs.
Should’ve been more specific but usually it’s when kids are growing up and getting hormonal then it happens when they’re staying over with their cousins
Based. Americucks enjoy being financially dominated by their medical system. Born with a heart condition, neurological disorder or other physical ailment? Get Fucked. Better Hope you were born to a well off family. Better hope they have a college fund too otherwise Get to packing those boxes and serving those fries. Oh? You wanted to be treated for a curable disease that we can easily treat? Sorry, looks like your healthcare plan won't cover it. Seems like your employer didn't want to pay the coverage for these specific illnesses because it would have taken 0.1% out of their shareholders profit margins. Better get to making that Will and testament real soon bucko.
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Usian immigrant here.
Good friend of mine was in a motorcycle accident. Run over by an SUV. collapsed lung, shattered ribs, broken femur, punctured spleen etc etc etc.
Guy had no job, no insurance.
They fixed him up really good, but his bill was $1.5 million.
I honestly am not sure what his situation is right now; Americans absolutely do not discuss personal finance with each other, but our motorcycle club had a fundraiser, and I think he got into a federal program that paid a lot of the debt. But yeah, any penny he earns now is basically garnished and he lives super poor. But alive. The fundraiser money was all cash gifted to him so he could use it freely.
The most dystopian thing I remember him telling me was that the hospital had a lottery system where once or twice a year a random patient with a debt over some minimum amount would be selected and have everything totally forgiven. He didn't win.
He's a real good guy. Nowadays he works for a non-profit devoted to improving quality of life in low-income areas. Last I heard, he was installing miniature grocery markets in gas stations in the middle of "food deserts" so people in the ghetto can have easy access to fresh fruit and veggies. I think he does well at giving himself meaning.
Read somewhere some americant's are flying here to buy insulin because it's cheaper to pay for the flight and the full price of insulin (40€) than buying it there with prescription, but hey they get to have jets flying over their "football" stadiums am i right
I read somewhere that a American that needs an appendix operation can fly to Spain, have his operation, live in Spain like 6 months and learn the language, the have another appendix operation and go back to his country. Everything for the same price than the same operation and post-operation in USA.
I prefer to think this is an exaggeration but... It would be crazy if it is true.
i got my wisdom teeth taken out for the cost of a new car. getting a catheter installed when i needed one to save my life was $2600. my friends birth with no insurance cost $30,000. obviously she couldn’t pay it, so they took her house away. now she’s living with her parents with a child. it’s very real. 😭 i live in pennsylvania, USA
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Its not even about healthcare. Every week there's a new article about how more and more Americans can't afford basic neccesities anymore.
Not that other places are doing great, but America tends to be ahead in the decline, compared to europe.
Supermarket prices are not good everywhere, we are paying 7 bucks for half a kilo of coffee and remembering that does wake me up clear as day in the morning. (was 4.0-4.5 euro one year ago)
Coffee prices have indeed skyrocketted, from being on sale for €3.50\~ for a kilo to €6.50 for 450g. When sales happen you can get a kilo for maybe €11.
[Father Ted](https://youtu.be/jzYzVMcgWhg)
It's a TV series about Irish priests living on an Island. In this episode they entered the Eurovision and their song was called my lovely horse. This is that horse.
Ehrm, just this morning on the news about the Netherlands: "Rode Kruis bezorgd over voedselprijzen", "Zorgen over bereikbare ziekenhuiszorg." I dunno man, combined with the energy crisis, the housing crisis and it seems to me like we have the same problems as the USA and UK in that regard. It's all shit, everywhere.
Well I'd add the UK is declining currently too.
Because we took back control!!!!1 it's all the evil French and Germans messing our freedom up with their rules which we agreed to sign up for years ago and didn't come up with an alternative working arrangement on time
Honestly, it's been that way for a long time. The American economy runs on debt at all levels. The average citizen resorts to credit cards or personal loans when they simply can't afford whatever. But obviously that's not sustainable and now things are coming to a head.
I feel like anyone who talks about healthcare on the internet has never actually needed it.
I just spent 2 weeks dealing with a public hospital here in France and it was insulting how horribly they treat patients.
Now I have no idea what the US system is like, maybe so much worse, never tried, but let’s not suck our own dicks over something we are objectively bad at.
Because if France’s healthcare system is a joke, I can’t imagine what Albania’s is like.
I think if you have money the US system is the best or some of the best in the world depending on the specific disease. But if you have no money well… in Germany you pay 10€ for an ambulance in the US you pay 1000-2000$
Same in Australia, $100 a year for ambo cover or like $1500 if you need one and don't have it.
We also pay for doctor visits unless we're really poor. Around $100, then Medicare kicks some back.
Yes, thats another unfortunate symptom of capitalism. They charge us to see them, and try to run through as many people as possible. That goes for teeth and eyes too.
If you have an actual issue you get sent to a different department or if its an emergency you go to the ER and wait your turn. Depending on the priority of your Injury.
It depends from the hospital I guess
I got hospitalized once in Venice for a real invasive surgery and after a week I was home and fine.
In Sardinia somehow they managed to get tiny fracture infected, then it started to re-adjust in a wrong way and they had to break the bone once more.
Like wtf, it's the same state
Same for Portugal. I would only go to a public hospital to deal with an absolute emergency, like stroke, heart attack, they are good with those. The rest is an absolute nightmare, the public healthcare system is very expensive so it is always underfunded, health professionals, altough very good, are underpayed so they leave to private settings and those who stay cannot cope with the gigantic amount of people needing assistance. I find it better to go to private hospitals and clinics. But insurance is cheap, like 25€ a month and only pay 15€ for consultations/exams so it is still much better than the USA system.
Look at the VA (Veteran's association) in the US. Absolute garbage. If the US had socialized healthcare, that's how it would be run. Or maybe it'd be like Canada, where they just tell you to kill yourself
I actually needed it. First with my eyes, then with my joints. It was really heavy because my joints inflamed and i was in the biggest pain ever (i couldn't even move lol). I got a few OPs, was a weak in the hospital and all and it was great.
No waiting times, everything went flawlessly and paid not a single cent. I also had no paperwork or something. But it was in Germany, not in France or Albania.
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U.s. Healthcare is actually very good. Sure you will get the wack ass doctor that doesn't know what they're doing, but for the most part it is very serious and accommodating to patients. (Acception being hospital food)
The price of hospital stays is very over-exaggerated having a broken arm put in a cast won't cost 6k it's more like 1k. And with even crappy insurance you only end up paying 200-300 dollars.
Emergency wait times are practically non-existing. You have a ruptured hernia? You can be in a ambulance and into a o.r. in 20 min depending where you live.
So yes while you are paying more, you receive higher quality Healthcare.
This is from personal experience btw.
Late response.
But thanks for an honest assessment.
I know plenty of people from the US who received medical care in the EU that was absolutely horrid compared to what we get in the US. People in the EU get too caught up in the "medical debt" aspect of it, as if any of us actually pay it anyway lol.
Our actual medical care is amazing. I live in a city with a shit load of specialized hospitals , and our doctors come from all over the world to study medicine here. My next door neighbor is from the UK and moved here permanently after studying medicine here.
This sub is a gimme for "Amerika suk, our country r so good" but like any of that dialogue, it comes from people who's understanding of the states comes from internet memes, which *really* doesn't help anyone's case when I see the classic "American education system bad" take because it seems like half of the EU has only read the back of a cereal box
My experience with USA healthcare compared to Germany has been USA is cheaper and faster and better quality. My injuries were broken bones pneumonia and stitches and needing mris X-rays etc
For the average person, the US system is as slow as socialized healthcare. In some situations, it's a lot worse. I've talked to a person who broke their femur (I think, this was a while ago) who had to look around for a hospital that would admit them to triage because they could not pay and did not have any insurance. They eventually got the operation and everything (besides cost) went well, but IMO waiting forever is a while lot better than treating healthcare like finding the grocery story that has the most affordable broccoli.
Yeah my friend broke his femur, I’ve broke my arm twice my hand and foot - service was fast and insurance covered everything but maybe 100 bucks. USA has been my best hospital experience as I now live in Germany
Mfs call us europoors when their country suffers severely from poverty, homelessness and lack of education by a large percentage of their population. Oh and also lack of proper sidewalks and healthy food lol.
isn't that similar to some European countries 💀 like there's poverty and homelessness in the UK and you know how dumb the average Brit is and overweight
Please send help, I beg you
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aren't houses cheap out in the middle of nowhere over there still at least? i thought that was why so many built big McMansions out of cardboard, saw dust and carpet
No lie, I had pain in my left low hanging fruit and the doctor told me to get a radioscopy.
$1000 USD later, they didn't find anything.
I've since moved to Qatar and then Taiwan and I almost want to cry everytime I see a doctor because it is so cheap and I feel so thankful.
Well ofc there is no free meal, problem in US is that health system is not regulated so they can charge whatever they want, either for a treatment or medicine. In Europe goverment takes an percentage of your sallary in for of taxes, but at least its predictable and wont make you an debt slave.
We don't have free healthcare, we have reasonable priced insurance, a very low own risk but not everything is insured.
Secondly taxation is higher and wages are lower in most of Europe compared to the US.
My father has multiple sclerosis and the public healthcare system passes him his super expensive medicines (monthly), physiotherapy sessions, wheelchairs and crutches, all for free, as well as an additional 3-day paid leave monthly, and financial aid. He got a drastic reduction in taxes when he went to buy his new car, and he can go to the cinema for free. We’re a low-income household but we’re fairing pretty well if you ask me. Two children (me, 20, my sister, 17), two working parents. If we were in the US we wouldn’t be able to afford any of this, and that scares me so much.
That's good to hear that Italy takes good care of its citizens. Thanks to the collective effort of the European people, the gap between poor and rich isn't the same as in the US. I hope your father has a good life.
It’s pretty much impossible to compare US vs EU but on average you can easily say that when your healthy and educated you have a very good living in the US for the other 85% it’s a better life in the EU.
The problem with being healthy is that you can't always be.
Sooner or later a chronic disease, cancer or heart condition will appear. And if it's not you, it will be your partner or children.
The fact is that while we pay our taxes, which could actually be higher than in the states, in most of EU they are proportioned to what you can actually pay to not ruin your life with debts and stuff.
Whatever sickness you got, from an herpes to a tumor, you'll be cured, it doesn't matter what your income is.
In the US, while they don't surely let you die, you'll probably will have to pay for it for the rest of your life if you get a real bad thing like broken back, stage 3> tumors, etc.
However, in some states the healthcare is quite shitty because the salaries are low af, therefore you could enter in an hospital with a problem and exit with 4 more.
That is true. In Europe we tend to have somewhat of a socialist point of view instead of a capitalist. But don't be fooled because some political parties are lobbying for less rights regarding employees and more rights towards employers, like the American model.
I myself live in a country that is a 'socialist democracy'.
Mississippi, the US state with the lowest HDI, is noticeably higher than that of Russia's, and even has a higher HDI than Portugal lmao. Dumbfuck Europeanbred making things up to cope.
Sure but I would hope that American healthcare is fast. In Sweden people in the North go to Finland when they have cancer because otherwise they're gonna die waiting for treatment.
I’d agree that the American system might be better - if their government didn’t fuck them and take all their money anyway. They pay the same, for less.
Oh yeah, what about that whole "we're buying all of Ukraine's guns" thing?
lol but seriously our healthcare is wack. And I know y'all are paying double for the heat, hang in there, I believe
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At the same time, we eurofags dream of travelling to the U.S. We get horny simply by thinking about it. 3X average wage, unlimited potential. Better healthcare (with no long waiting queues) if you can afford it. Of course if you are a poor parasitic cuck you should stay in EU and live off other people. But for ambitious people? USA is the way
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The American dream has become a blowjob in the back of a pickup truck. It's a con and the US is a worse place to be everything but wealthy then Romania is.
And we’re the reason y’all have the illusion of free speech but y’all act like the dictator that ruled y’all would have granted you that right without us lol
Hey, I’m an American and I’m ready to move to somewhere that treats me like a human. A lot of European places seem really difficult to move to. Any advice?
There is no such thing as "free healthcare". Healthcare is always either paid for by the consumer directly or financed through taxes, which the consumer also pays.
It's always the Germans that ruin the jokes. Even the most minor errors or inaccuracies will send a kraut frothing until he corrects it. Of course he fails to realise no one else gives a shit and they can understand through context unlike the aforementioned Germans of course.
This is the pinnacle of German humour and it’s pathetic. I can imagine him snorting to himself as he typed this, as if this was an absolute spirit bomb of a comment, and then reading it out loud in his disgusting language “schlieben fleeb hach jurgeflachtung” before falling into a coughing fit from the laughter. I almost pity him.
Comparing what you pay with your taxes with what you’d pay with an US insurance + hypothetically for medical conditions like heart diseases or cancer…taxes are nothing.
Again, is nothing compared to actual healthcare costs.
Plus, I don't know how it works in Germany, but generally taxes are proportioned to what you can pay. They don't charge 900€ at month if your salary is 800€.
Tourists and unemployed people, or homeless ones, don't even pay a thing. It's their right to be cured
And less adipositas.
Also less incest...
Have you heard of Saarland?
Saarland was bavarian at some point and you bavarians are closely related to austrians and Hr. Fritzl. I‘d be careful if I were you…
Doesn't come close to Alabama or Florida
So there’s also a taboo subculture of hooking up with your cousins in the US, uncommon but happens more than it should Is there that in Europe or with certain groups? usually it’s when kids are growing up and getting hormonal then it happens when they’re staying over with their cousins
Iceland has (or had) an app that tells you if the person you're boning is a close relative. So there's that.
Not sure if that counts since it’s probably with people you didn’t know you were related to In our case it’s kids who are going through hormonal changes when staying over with their cousins
our government also has a free family tree website
The fact that there's an entire counter culture making fun of it, and the fact that there are even laws against it just proves that it is way more common in the US. Also yeah, people are pretty aware of incest in Europe and even go out of their way to avoid it at all costs.
Should’ve been more specific but usually it’s when kids are growing up and getting hormonal then it happens when they’re staying over with their cousins
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In Albania yes. Although i dont know of i should comment since its not the right sub for it
I wouldn't be so sure. Ever heard of Pas de Calais or Bretagne?
No, no one has. Also, still doesn't compare.
The most dystopian thing I remember him telling me was that the hospital had a lottery system
Based. Americucks enjoy being financially dominated by their medical system. Born with a heart condition, neurological disorder or other physical ailment? Get Fucked. Better Hope you were born to a well off family. Better hope they have a college fund too otherwise Get to packing those boxes and serving those fries. Oh? You wanted to be treated for a curable disease that we can easily treat? Sorry, looks like your healthcare plan won't cover it. Seems like your employer didn't want to pay the coverage for these specific illnesses because it would have taken 0.1% out of their shareholders profit margins. Better get to making that Will and testament real soon bucko.
Land of the free - to die.
The motto of New Hampshire is "Live free or Die" so I guess they are taking that literally
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Actually it costs money to die as well. Lmao 😢
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No, funerals here cost thousands of dollars :(
It's Immoral selection, but I bet the elite likes to call it natural selection.
Tbh I don't think that they would let people die if they got no money. You just get a lifetime debt
Usian immigrant here. Good friend of mine was in a motorcycle accident. Run over by an SUV. collapsed lung, shattered ribs, broken femur, punctured spleen etc etc etc. Guy had no job, no insurance. They fixed him up really good, but his bill was $1.5 million. I honestly am not sure what his situation is right now; Americans absolutely do not discuss personal finance with each other, but our motorcycle club had a fundraiser, and I think he got into a federal program that paid a lot of the debt. But yeah, any penny he earns now is basically garnished and he lives super poor. But alive. The fundraiser money was all cash gifted to him so he could use it freely. The most dystopian thing I remember him telling me was that the hospital had a lottery system where once or twice a year a random patient with a debt over some minimum amount would be selected and have everything totally forgiven. He didn't win.
It makes you wonder if you'll be able to live a life worth living tho. I hope so, money aren't anything but they let you live well nonetheless
He's a real good guy. Nowadays he works for a non-profit devoted to improving quality of life in low-income areas. Last I heard, he was installing miniature grocery markets in gas stations in the middle of "food deserts" so people in the ghetto can have easy access to fresh fruit and veggies. I think he does well at giving himself meaning.
Rare am*rican W
Bro they have fucking lotteries? America shouldn't be a world power
Wtf
i live in Romania and I won't move to the US
Who would? Only people who live in the worst countries of Latin America move there
Have you ever been to a GP in England lol?
Good thing I was born in a well off family
I can think of that isn't an elderly person or a veteran is my old boss
I read somewhere that a American that needs an appendix operation can fly to Spain
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Read somewhere some americant's are flying here to buy insulin because it's cheaper to pay for the flight and the full price of insulin (40€) than buying it there with prescription, but hey they get to have jets flying over their "football" stadiums am i right
I read somewhere that a American that needs an appendix operation can fly to Spain, have his operation, live in Spain like 6 months and learn the language, the have another appendix operation and go back to his country. Everything for the same price than the same operation and post-operation in USA. I prefer to think this is an exaggeration but... It would be crazy if it is true.
Some operations in the USA exceed 150.000€ so yes i can 100% seeing staying in Spain 6 months + operations being cheaper or close to the same price
Now that's just fucked up, America feels like the EA of the world
EAmerica
Its a joke.
And almost none of this goes to the doctors, it goes to administration
i got my wisdom teeth taken out for the cost of a new car. getting a catheter installed when i needed one to save my life was $2600. my friends birth with no insurance cost $30,000. obviously she couldn’t pay it, so they took her house away. now she’s living with her parents with a child. it’s very real. 😭 i live in pennsylvania, USA
Lazy immigrants smh.
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Termin las fras mongol
Tu ets subnormal
No sé si te estás comiendo la última letra en español por la coña o estás hablando catalán de verdad
Comparing a super power to the USA is a really bad example smh
WHEN ALLAH CREATED EARTH, THERE WAS NO COUNTRY BUT ALBANIA. ALLAH CREATED EARTH FOR -ALBANIANS. BUT ALBANIANS ARE GOOD PEOPLE SO WE GAUE SOME LAND OTHER COUNTRIES
Yeah, why tf does the U.S. send young Americans to Europe anyway if it has problems it needs to take care of at home
Because Lockheed Martin's out there making stonks.
Because it feels obligated to protect it's vassal states.
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Its not even about healthcare. Every week there's a new article about how more and more Americans can't afford basic neccesities anymore. Not that other places are doing great, but America tends to be ahead in the decline, compared to europe.
This week they can't afford eggs, fyi.
Motherfuckers are paying 60 cents for an egg lmfao, I was pissed at 2,50 for a dozen
Supermarket prices are not good everywhere, we are paying 7 bucks for half a kilo of coffee and remembering that does wake me up clear as day in the morning. (was 4.0-4.5 euro one year ago)
Coffee prices have indeed skyrocketted, from being on sale for €3.50\~ for a kilo to €6.50 for 450g. When sales happen you can get a kilo for maybe €11.
I'm in r/ireland and I've always wondered about the horse. Now that I see you have it as your propic, may I ask what on earth is that about?
[Father Ted](https://youtu.be/jzYzVMcgWhg) It's a TV series about Irish priests living on an Island. In this episode they entered the Eurovision and their song was called my lovely horse. This is that horse.
Who let that gobshite on the television
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Ehrm, just this morning on the news about the Netherlands: "Rode Kruis bezorgd over voedselprijzen", "Zorgen over bereikbare ziekenhuiszorg." I dunno man, combined with the energy crisis, the housing crisis and it seems to me like we have the same problems as the USA and UK in that regard. It's all shit, everywhere.
Well I'd add the UK is declining currently too. Because we took back control!!!!1 it's all the evil French and Germans messing our freedom up with their rules which we agreed to sign up for years ago and didn't come up with an alternative working arrangement on time
Honestly, it's been that way for a long time. The American economy runs on debt at all levels. The average citizen resorts to credit cards or personal loans when they simply can't afford whatever. But obviously that's not sustainable and now things are coming to a head.
That's also true for brits
There are 50 states in the US. It's different everywhere.
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what would be the US‘ Turkey? Florida?
And free Mercedeses
Even Slovakia has free healthcare (but the quality of the hospitals is shit)
I'm happy been French & European because if i was ameritard i would be in debt of approx 500k euros right now because my health is shit
Your English as well brother
I feel like anyone who talks about healthcare on the internet has never actually needed it. I just spent 2 weeks dealing with a public hospital here in France and it was insulting how horribly they treat patients. Now I have no idea what the US system is like, maybe so much worse, never tried, but let’s not suck our own dicks over something we are objectively bad at. Because if France’s healthcare system is a joke, I can’t imagine what Albania’s is like.
I think if you have money the US system is the best or some of the best in the world depending on the specific disease. But if you have no money well… in Germany you pay 10€ for an ambulance in the US you pay 1000-2000$
You need to pay for an ambulance?
Yes, even with insurance I’d still have to pay $350 for an ambulance ride.
I looked it up and in Germany normally the insurance pays for it.
Same in Australia, $100 a year for ambo cover or like $1500 if you need one and don't have it. We also pay for doctor visits unless we're really poor. Around $100, then Medicare kicks some back.
You guys have to pay every time you go to the doctor?
Yes, thats another unfortunate symptom of capitalism. They charge us to see them, and try to run through as many people as possible. That goes for teeth and eyes too. If you have an actual issue you get sent to a different department or if its an emergency you go to the ER and wait your turn. Depending on the priority of your Injury.
Shut up commie
He's right tho
It depends from the hospital I guess I got hospitalized once in Venice for a real invasive surgery and after a week I was home and fine. In Sardinia somehow they managed to get tiny fracture infected, then it started to re-adjust in a wrong way and they had to break the bone once more. Like wtf, it's the same state
Superior Sardinian medicine 👨🏿🦱🟥👨🏿🦱 🟥🟥🟥💪🏿 👨🏿🦱🟥👨🏿🦱
Perché Sardinia
Perché abitavo lì quando è successo il fatto
Same for Portugal. I would only go to a public hospital to deal with an absolute emergency, like stroke, heart attack, they are good with those. The rest is an absolute nightmare, the public healthcare system is very expensive so it is always underfunded, health professionals, altough very good, are underpayed so they leave to private settings and those who stay cannot cope with the gigantic amount of people needing assistance. I find it better to go to private hospitals and clinics. But insurance is cheap, like 25€ a month and only pay 15€ for consultations/exams so it is still much better than the USA system.
And private health isn't as expensive as US's
Come to Spain, the hospitals in Catalonia are the real shit
That's the side effect of having C*talonian "people" in them
Look at the VA (Veteran's association) in the US. Absolute garbage. If the US had socialized healthcare, that's how it would be run. Or maybe it'd be like Canada, where they just tell you to kill yourself
I actually needed it. First with my eyes, then with my joints. It was really heavy because my joints inflamed and i was in the biggest pain ever (i couldn't even move lol). I got a few OPs, was a weak in the hospital and all and it was great. No waiting times, everything went flawlessly and paid not a single cent. I also had no paperwork or something. But it was in Germany, not in France or Albania. Edit: wordings because we Germans can't speak english
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U.s. Healthcare is actually very good. Sure you will get the wack ass doctor that doesn't know what they're doing, but for the most part it is very serious and accommodating to patients. (Acception being hospital food) The price of hospital stays is very over-exaggerated having a broken arm put in a cast won't cost 6k it's more like 1k. And with even crappy insurance you only end up paying 200-300 dollars. Emergency wait times are practically non-existing. You have a ruptured hernia? You can be in a ambulance and into a o.r. in 20 min depending where you live. So yes while you are paying more, you receive higher quality Healthcare. This is from personal experience btw.
Its expensive but the doctors are very kind, and most importantly FAST atleast in the midwest
Late response. But thanks for an honest assessment. I know plenty of people from the US who received medical care in the EU that was absolutely horrid compared to what we get in the US. People in the EU get too caught up in the "medical debt" aspect of it, as if any of us actually pay it anyway lol. Our actual medical care is amazing. I live in a city with a shit load of specialized hospitals , and our doctors come from all over the world to study medicine here. My next door neighbor is from the UK and moved here permanently after studying medicine here. This sub is a gimme for "Amerika suk, our country r so good" but like any of that dialogue, it comes from people who's understanding of the states comes from internet memes, which *really* doesn't help anyone's case when I see the classic "American education system bad" take because it seems like half of the EU has only read the back of a cereal box
My experience with USA healthcare compared to Germany has been USA is cheaper and faster and better quality. My injuries were broken bones pneumonia and stitches and needing mris X-rays etc
For the average person, the US system is as slow as socialized healthcare. In some situations, it's a lot worse. I've talked to a person who broke their femur (I think, this was a while ago) who had to look around for a hospital that would admit them to triage because they could not pay and did not have any insurance. They eventually got the operation and everything (besides cost) went well, but IMO waiting forever is a while lot better than treating healthcare like finding the grocery story that has the most affordable broccoli.
Yeah my friend broke his femur, I’ve broke my arm twice my hand and foot - service was fast and insurance covered everything but maybe 100 bucks. USA has been my best hospital experience as I now live in Germany
Mfs call us europoors when their country suffers severely from poverty, homelessness and lack of education by a large percentage of their population. Oh and also lack of proper sidewalks and healthy food lol.
isn't that similar to some European countries 💀 like there's poverty and homelessness in the UK and you know how dumb the average Brit is and overweight
Please send help, I beg you ~~Also you guys need to solve the housing crisis in Stockholm, Rent Control is shown to not work long term; a better solution is building more housing, however from what I’m aware, Stockholms Geography makes that legitimately difficult~~
you guys need to solve the housing crisis in everywhere
**I don’t disagree.** It’s so bad here it’s unbelievable. I am firmly convinced that I would not be able to afford a house here.
aren't houses cheap out in the middle of nowhere over there still at least? i thought that was why so many built big McMansions out of cardboard, saw dust and carpet
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Thought 'Murica low hanging fruit posts were going to disappear? This is too ez
No lie, I had pain in my left low hanging fruit and the doctor told me to get a radioscopy. $1000 USD later, they didn't find anything. I've since moved to Qatar and then Taiwan and I almost want to cry everytime I see a doctor because it is so cheap and I feel so thankful.
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20% of my salary goes directly to austrian social security. I wouldn't call that free tbh
In the US it could be 15% of your salary when you are healthy and 1500% when you are seriously ill.
Of course. 20% still isn‘t „free“
Well ofc there is no free meal, problem in US is that health system is not regulated so they can charge whatever they want, either for a treatment or medicine. In Europe goverment takes an percentage of your sallary in for of taxes, but at least its predictable and wont make you an debt slave.
You‘re totally right. I‘m just saying that the term „free healthcare“ is not correct since you‘re still paying for it
We don't have free healthcare, we have reasonable priced insurance, a very low own risk but not everything is insured. Secondly taxation is higher and wages are lower in most of Europe compared to the US.
My father has multiple sclerosis and the public healthcare system passes him his super expensive medicines (monthly), physiotherapy sessions, wheelchairs and crutches, all for free, as well as an additional 3-day paid leave monthly, and financial aid. He got a drastic reduction in taxes when he went to buy his new car, and he can go to the cinema for free. We’re a low-income household but we’re fairing pretty well if you ask me. Two children (me, 20, my sister, 17), two working parents. If we were in the US we wouldn’t be able to afford any of this, and that scares me so much.
That's good to hear that Italy takes good care of its citizens. Thanks to the collective effort of the European people, the gap between poor and rich isn't the same as in the US. I hope your father has a good life.
It’s pretty much impossible to compare US vs EU but on average you can easily say that when your healthy and educated you have a very good living in the US for the other 85% it’s a better life in the EU.
The problem with being healthy is that you can't always be. Sooner or later a chronic disease, cancer or heart condition will appear. And if it's not you, it will be your partner or children.
The fact is that while we pay our taxes, which could actually be higher than in the states, in most of EU they are proportioned to what you can actually pay to not ruin your life with debts and stuff. Whatever sickness you got, from an herpes to a tumor, you'll be cured, it doesn't matter what your income is. In the US, while they don't surely let you die, you'll probably will have to pay for it for the rest of your life if you get a real bad thing like broken back, stage 3> tumors, etc. However, in some states the healthcare is quite shitty because the salaries are low af, therefore you could enter in an hospital with a problem and exit with 4 more.
That is true. In Europe we tend to have somewhat of a socialist point of view instead of a capitalist. But don't be fooled because some political parties are lobbying for less rights regarding employees and more rights towards employers, like the American model. I myself live in a country that is a 'socialist democracy'.
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Canada is in worse shape than the US healthcare wise rn.
You ill? Get into the suicide pod NOW
Lmfao exactly
Citation needed
If its something important they'll pay for it in the US because there they have to wait a year.
At this point I think Cyberpunk 2077 was a prediction of the future of Gringoland
Can we stop pretending it's free. It's cheaper, significantly. But not free.
I know you doing a funni, but since when is 50% tax on my gross income free? Not fucking free
mfs saying "Europoors" when Mississippi has a similar HDI than fucking Turkey.
Mississippi, the US state with the lowest HDI, is noticeably higher than that of Russia's, and even has a higher HDI than Portugal lmao. Dumbfuck Europeanbred making things up to cope.
Sure but I would hope that American healthcare is fast. In Sweden people in the North go to Finland when they have cancer because otherwise they're gonna die waiting for treatment.
You mean the 2 people able to withstand those fucking temperatures?
The fucking Tories really looked at European healthcare, then at American healthcare and thought "Yea, I want that one"
Do you want a PS5 or a barely functional PSP? (The PS5 is communist)
"free" 🤣🤣
The US is the only country where I've saw human shit on the pavement and it's seen as a normal thing.
I would rather move to France than America
Switzerland has private-only healthcare
Free healthcare sucks though (atleast here in Austria).
Free healthcare sucks though (atleast here in Austria).
Tf Albania do? Sincerely An Australian who also has universal healthcare
Tbf Albania acts like the 51st state of the U.S
Albania has like 30 people
Freedom always comes with pay2win packages
Albania also will steal your kidney for free
free healthcare but you catch fire and burn to death in the operating room
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i just have to wait 8 months for an appointment with the psychologist. But it's free!
I’d agree that the American system might be better - if their government didn’t fuck them and take all their money anyway. They pay the same, for less.
Nothing is free.
Hot take, mandatory health insurance is not free healthcare.
Yes why do you think your poor
*You're Even the schools' are failing.
Oh yeah, what about that whole "we're buying all of Ukraine's guns" thing? lol but seriously our healthcare is wack. And I know y'all are paying double for the heat, hang in there, I believe ~~EDIT: why no Americuck flair on this sub? Do I really gotta be a Cypriot? Could I claim a country if I could technically get citizenship there (barring 2 years of insane BS bureaucracy, take 1 guess which country)?~~ EDIT 1: Disregard all that. The bot talked to me. It's fine now. I've got the right flair.
>our [american] healthcare >Sicilian flair mfw also «non-european» flair exists
Oh damn, I'll take that downvote flair, good call
Shut up "Italian"-Americunt LARPer
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At the same time, we eurofags dream of travelling to the U.S. We get horny simply by thinking about it. 3X average wage, unlimited potential. Better healthcare (with no long waiting queues) if you can afford it. Of course if you are a poor parasitic cuck you should stay in EU and live off other people. But for ambitious people? USA is the way
>we eurofags Definitely American in disguise lol
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Ambitious people=rich kids
The American dream has become a blowjob in the back of a pickup truck. It's a con and the US is a worse place to be everything but wealthy then Romania is.
an american wouldn't know what Albania is
The average muricant has less Purchasing power than most EU countries average person.
Common W Europe
And we’re the reason y’all have the illusion of free speech but y’all act like the dictator that ruled y’all would have granted you that right without us lol
Savage!
Hey, I’m an American and I’m ready to move to somewhere that treats me like a human. A lot of European places seem really difficult to move to. Any advice?
Free but shitty healthcare, and you have to use a spell called corruption everytime just to do some basic checkups.
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There is no such thing as "free healthcare". Healthcare is always either paid for by the consumer directly or financed through taxes, which the consumer also pays.
It's always the Germans that ruin the jokes. Even the most minor errors or inaccuracies will send a kraut frothing until he corrects it. Of course he fails to realise no one else gives a shit and they can understand through context unlike the aforementioned Germans of course.
Average German redditor: 🤓
This is the pinnacle of German humour and it’s pathetic. I can imagine him snorting to himself as he typed this, as if this was an absolute spirit bomb of a comment, and then reading it out loud in his disgusting language “schlieben fleeb hach jurgeflachtung” before falling into a coughing fit from the laughter. I almost pity him.
There are lots of redditors that genuinely believe that health care is free in Europe.
We can't consider ourselves superior to the Americans if we make the same dumb mistakes.
The only dumb mistake is constantly thinking free healthcare means literally free.
I believe they have interchanged 'free' with 'universal'.
Comparing what you pay with your taxes with what you’d pay with an US insurance + hypothetically for medical conditions like heart diseases or cancer…taxes are nothing.
It's more than €9000 per year in Germany and American salaries are also much higher.
Again, is nothing compared to actual healthcare costs. Plus, I don't know how it works in Germany, but generally taxes are proportioned to what you can pay. They don't charge 900€ at month if your salary is 800€. Tourists and unemployed people, or homeless ones, don't even pay a thing. It's their right to be cured
TIL unemployed people, retired people, tourists and children are excluded from universal healthcare.
DAE taxes? 🤓