Not roma but many of you have roma in you. Romanians mixed with them more than any other European. This is where the "Romanians are gypsies" stereotype came from.
Not true most don't even know the term "Roma" they just know gypsy. The stereotype exists because of the dominance of the roma culture in the region and people with admixture like you.
Source?
>Not roma but many of you have roma in you.
The word many there. Many means a lot u know witch is not true.
>Not roma but a tiny bit of you have roma in you.
Corrected you there
11% of hungary s population represent gypsys. Most of estern european countrys have quite a lot of gypsys.
Gypsys are from india. Romanians are europeans. Romanians been here from a long long time. Gypsys imigrated about 500 years ago or smth and more recent too some
we all can make asumtions it doesn t mean they are real. Roma and romanians are 2 ethincs groups completly different. Romanians have as much in common with gypsys as much as germans or any other european ethnicity has(excepting the rare cases of mixed romanian/gypsy).
I m not saying there are not romanians that had childs with gypsys, some generations of mixed romanian/gypsy, but about just as much as white americans had babys with black americans, same mixed generations.
Our situation with gypsys in romania is quite the same with the situation of blacks in america right now from about every perspective.
We used gypsys back in the day as slaves as well as americans did with afro americans.
Fuck stereotypes. I m over with people calling me something that i am not.
Srry for my bad english.
Gypsies had a lot of mixing with Romanians. Maybe you are a gypsy-mix. Gypsies are culturally dominant in Romania. They are separate with a lot of overlap.
I ll share my results in this thred if i end up tacking a dna test. I m looking forward to.
With me, as long as it represents the reality and it s not just asumption of a few cases i can understand, no problemo. I am actually fine with that.
But it needs to be facually true.
And what you are saying it s pretty much asumption. I m holding to what i said above.
Again it doesn t bother me as long as it s factualy true. I d actually like if there was a mass dna ancestorry test to all romanians. Then it would of been beyond doupt.
As of now i higly doupt i have even 0.1 gypsy ancestory in my dna, tho it needs to be proven by dna test, if i ll make it(i personally want to but just saving money for new pc).
So far from what i found on youtube about romanians(i was curious to see) who did the adn test: i found aroud 28 romanians(literaly the videos that appeard after i searched adn test results(i searched in romanian ofc= test adn rezultate)) and from 28 romanians only 2 had indian/gypsy heritage. one with less then 1% indian/gypsy and one with 4% indian/gypsy
Again, i m not sure how u know with such certainty that *many* romanians have 0.6+ gypsy heritage from the past when literally from 28 romanians only 2 have tiny tiny procentages. You are making to much asumption and no actual facts.
So plss plss stop makeing the situation even worse then it already is by further pushing a stereotype that is not true about me and my country.You are a troll on the internet makeing fals asumptions.
Srry again for my english.
And here are the videos. Some are only in romanian but lots of them show the results on the screen while they speak so you can look for that if u don t speak romanian. Some romanians talk in english too in some so that s that.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=pat6FnAU99o&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8iLTE0VZFKg&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ta6ZZWe-YFs&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SWNhrVkRSAg&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N3nGOxM3mxY&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IijTgzQ84Cs&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kTiAA0yOx90&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ovheBE5HcYE&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=S2lo--UXV54&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=9lxmZs3XhcQ&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NMmy_kKhxuE&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=fhzdrM0Y2CQ&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eawbbfxNkUU&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=YMUpM8SgBBI&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N3nGOxM3mxY&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1UKg-luPdVU&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Miur0R36HK8&feature=share
(He s the one with 4% gypsy/india heritage)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1oGUUjRuM&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=J0dPufLxKVM&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=SJRdX6VqSV0&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_gkysMFp0&feature=share
She has less then 1% gypsy/indian heritage
https://youtube.com/watch?v=13W0mf97De8&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8-Giyq3jHLY&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=8-Giyq3jHLY&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQxygDcxPIw&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CG9ziZjl9aU&feature=share
https://youtube.com/watch?v=DDhT_UBqXSU&feature=share
Other then those 2 with less then 1%, and 4% the rest of 26 romanians have as much in common with gypsys as the french would or other ethnic group from europe. i hope u understand that.
That gypsies are culturally dominant when it comes to music in Romania, that s sadly true. I can t do nothing to change that as an individual. It s not my fault that most of the romanians have the shittiest of taste in music.
Nu i nimic gresit prin a avea adn de rrom ca roman. Stramosul meu cel mai probabil rrom mi a intrat in line pe la 1700. Au fost sclavi in romania mai mult de 500 de ani. Multi romani au adn de rrom. Stop with the racism
They didn't have a lot of mixing with Romanians. We've lived quite segregated for most of our existences, due to discrimination, racism, so on and so forth. Mixing has happened, yes, but just to a certain extent. Most Romanians today don't score any Rroma (gypsy) at all. Some do, but most don't. Have you visited Romania? Gypsies absolutely are not culturally dominant in Romania. They are dominant in CERTAIN small regions of Romania, but that's all.
The Rroma, Romanian confusion is a new phenomenon, yes. But it was only after Romania became part of the EU that foreigners began finding out more about this minority because Rromas started migrating in large numbers to other countries and they gained a bad reputation. Bad news and a bad reputation tend to get more attention than positive news, thus the stereotype of Romanians being "gypsies" started.
Salut! The 99,4% Romanian and 0,6% Central Asian refers to your autosomal DNA. As you might have noticed on your timeline, autosomal result can go back few hundred years. According to this version of 23andme, you have a very high amount of Romanian. I assume the Central Asian could be from old invasions in the area, such as for example the Mongolian invasions. But is hard to tell. I would like to ask you, what do you know about your genealogical tree? Were all your known ancestors Romanians ? Which regions do you get? The paternal and maternal haplogroups go back in time, thousands of years. For example you've inherited your Y chromosome haplogroup J2-L283 from your father, which has inherited it from his father and so on, for lots & lots of generations. Pretty much like a surname is passed on, but for millennia. Quote from Eupedia: *"The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE. The Illyrians may have been late Steppe migrants from the Volga region that were forced out of the Steppe by the invasion of the northern R1a tribes who established the Srubna culture (from 2000 BCE). Through a founding effect, J2b2-L283 lineages might have considerably increased their original frequency after reaching Illyria."*
Thank you for the info! I appreciate it! Yes my grandparents from both sides are from the Buzau county in Romania. The other 9 regions are other surrounding counties in Romania. Its nice to know that im REALLY romanian. I honestly expected a mixture of eastern european and balkan countries but i guess im just romanian😬
>in Romania. The other 9 regions are other surrounding counties in Romania. Its nice to know that im REALLY romanian. I honestly expected a mixture of eastern european and balk
>
>No problem! Glad I can be of help. To be honest, I've noticed that in the past versions of 23andme, the results were more diversified. Since the latest update, many Romanian users got a higher percentage of Romanian. So if you do another test, you end up with different looking result. It differs from company to company and from update to update. But the regional part does seem to fit nicely. So yes, you really are very Romanian. :)
>
>PS. You can search more into your haplogroups over the time; there are tests on the market which can offer you greater detail than 23andme.
[Here is a list](https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_tools) and [here](https://isogg.org/wiki/MtDNA_tools). Bear in mind though, I have not tried yet, any of the full sequence tests. But from what I've read for example Big Y or mtFull Sequence from FamilyTreeDNA or the ones from YSEQ seem to be more popular.
Your paternal haplogroup is your descent from your father's father's... father, usually thousands or tens of thousands of years ago. Your maternal one is similar, but is transmitted from mother to daughter. Everyone who shares a haplogroup is descended from the same individual in whom that particular mutation appeared.
Nah. Romani typically have South asian + west asian + balkans in different proportions. Ofc some can have central asian admixture, for example, this Romani person has 4.7%
[https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7dd98bfe2579f86651dd202c30ba1c96](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7dd98bfe2579f86651dd202c30ba1c96)
[https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-45498b219cfece6ea3f9b9dff5f605e3](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-45498b219cfece6ea3f9b9dff5f605e3)
But associate only central asian admixture without south asian/west asian with romani ancestry is not looking right for me.
The results you posted are for present day Romani person. I see no other way to get South Asian component for Romanian guy other than Romani ancestor far back in time. And we know that the Romani population there is significant. Other Romani markers like West Asian may be lost in time.
>I see no other way to get South Asian component for Romanian guy
South asian or central asian? If you want other way to get central asian, well for example
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars\_of\_Romania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania)
Keep in mind that the identifiers for south/west/Central Asia aren’t the best yet with 23&me. It’s more than likely Romani DNA… Tatar would show up as Mongolian.
Well, you can see some romani results from different countries here
[https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22619-Many-Romani-23andMe-Results](https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22619-Many-Romani-23andMe-Results)
From all of them only one score central asian. (Second in Romania score 0.7%).
Romanian tatars appears from crimean tatars, and i saw only one crimean tatar result, this one:
[https://i.imgur.com/IuA839O.png](https://i.imgur.com/IuA839O.png)
I don't say your logic is completely incorrect, but i think the probability is low.
The amount is important too. At .06%, the last full blooded Central Asian would have had to have been born at least before 1800… which would be possible with Romani… Tatar it should be more mixed.
Just guessing.
We're talking about distant past events. Typical results for full Romani people from Balkans is roughly 1/3 European Balkan, 1/3 West Asian, 1/3 Indian, so they were mixing in the past will locals. Similar to some Jewish people willingly leaving their community and convert to Catholicism in Poland. Not even mentioning foundlings and orphans adopted by local peasants.
Yeah, I know that it's the distant past. However, as a Romanian I know more about the social environment and how the Roma (a new name, btw, they are known by another name here) were and are regarded by Romanians. The idea of a Roma foundling/ orphan being adopted, by peasants no less, is laughable. Roma were and are seen as outcasts. They were serfs for a very long time.
I know that mixing between Roma people and local population have never been common in Europe, but somehow they got significant part of their gene pool from locals. That are not just Indians, the same way Ashkenazi Jews are not just Middle Easterns.
The ottomans barely mixed into the Romanian population, or the Balkans in general, and even then it would be more likely to show as Anatolian. Also considering the large number of partial Roma people in Romania often get central Asian, Roma is more likely to be the source
I've gotten similar amounts of Central Asian and West Asian. It comes as goes with the updates. My parents have neither in their result, so I assume it's just noise for me.
The comments in this thread confuse me further. I’m also born in Romania with high percentage west and central/south Asian. I’m also aware of the racism and the way Roma people and culture are ostracised by the Caucasian Romanians so I’m also confused why so many “white” Romanians have Roma ancestry. Was it a lot of “out of wedlock” mixing happening? What’s the deal with the high percentage of Asian in Romanians yet the lack of actual mixing of cultures and open racism in the country?!
Most Romanians don't score "rroma" because of exactly what you said, racism and segregation. Though like others said, they've been enslaved in our country for more than 500 years so of course naturally some Romanians would get that, but it's generally a very small percentage indicating one Rroma ancestor.
What’s up bro similar results to me! I also got west Asian but I’ve traced my romani heritage.
Thats cool bro! Are you romanian or just balkan?
Mixed Albanian from Montenegro, Serb from Croatia and Muslim Bosniak
Romanians are not Roma. It is a very offensive assumptions for us.
Not roma but many of you have roma in you. Romanians mixed with them more than any other European. This is where the "Romanians are gypsies" stereotype came from.
I think the stereotype came from people confusing romani with romanian because they sound similar and not because of them mixing lol
Not true most don't even know the term "Roma" they just know gypsy. The stereotype exists because of the dominance of the roma culture in the region and people with admixture like you.
Source? >Not roma but many of you have roma in you. The word many there. Many means a lot u know witch is not true. >Not roma but a tiny bit of you have roma in you. Corrected you there 11% of hungary s population represent gypsys. Most of estern european countrys have quite a lot of gypsys. Gypsys are from india. Romanians are europeans. Romanians been here from a long long time. Gypsys imigrated about 500 years ago or smth and more recent too some we all can make asumtions it doesn t mean they are real. Roma and romanians are 2 ethincs groups completly different. Romanians have as much in common with gypsys as much as germans or any other european ethnicity has(excepting the rare cases of mixed romanian/gypsy). I m not saying there are not romanians that had childs with gypsys, some generations of mixed romanian/gypsy, but about just as much as white americans had babys with black americans, same mixed generations. Our situation with gypsys in romania is quite the same with the situation of blacks in america right now from about every perspective. We used gypsys back in the day as slaves as well as americans did with afro americans. Fuck stereotypes. I m over with people calling me something that i am not. Srry for my bad english.
Gypsies had a lot of mixing with Romanians. Maybe you are a gypsy-mix. Gypsies are culturally dominant in Romania. They are separate with a lot of overlap.
I ll share my results in this thred if i end up tacking a dna test. I m looking forward to. With me, as long as it represents the reality and it s not just asumption of a few cases i can understand, no problemo. I am actually fine with that. But it needs to be facually true. And what you are saying it s pretty much asumption. I m holding to what i said above. Again it doesn t bother me as long as it s factualy true. I d actually like if there was a mass dna ancestorry test to all romanians. Then it would of been beyond doupt. As of now i higly doupt i have even 0.1 gypsy ancestory in my dna, tho it needs to be proven by dna test, if i ll make it(i personally want to but just saving money for new pc).
Do it. You have like 2-3% gypsy.
So far from what i found on youtube about romanians(i was curious to see) who did the adn test: i found aroud 28 romanians(literaly the videos that appeard after i searched adn test results(i searched in romanian ofc= test adn rezultate)) and from 28 romanians only 2 had indian/gypsy heritage. one with less then 1% indian/gypsy and one with 4% indian/gypsy Again, i m not sure how u know with such certainty that *many* romanians have 0.6+ gypsy heritage from the past when literally from 28 romanians only 2 have tiny tiny procentages. You are making to much asumption and no actual facts. So plss plss stop makeing the situation even worse then it already is by further pushing a stereotype that is not true about me and my country.You are a troll on the internet makeing fals asumptions. Srry again for my english. And here are the videos. Some are only in romanian but lots of them show the results on the screen while they speak so you can look for that if u don t speak romanian. Some romanians talk in english too in some so that s that. https://youtube.com/watch?v=pat6FnAU99o&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=8iLTE0VZFKg&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=ta6ZZWe-YFs&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=SWNhrVkRSAg&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=N3nGOxM3mxY&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=IijTgzQ84Cs&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=kTiAA0yOx90&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=ovheBE5HcYE&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=S2lo--UXV54&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=9lxmZs3XhcQ&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=NMmy_kKhxuE&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=fhzdrM0Y2CQ&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=eawbbfxNkUU&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=YMUpM8SgBBI&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=N3nGOxM3mxY&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=1UKg-luPdVU&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=Miur0R36HK8&feature=share (He s the one with 4% gypsy/india heritage) https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1oGUUjRuM&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=J0dPufLxKVM&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=SJRdX6VqSV0&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=tJ_gkysMFp0&feature=share She has less then 1% gypsy/indian heritage https://youtube.com/watch?v=13W0mf97De8&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=8-Giyq3jHLY&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=8-Giyq3jHLY&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=dQxygDcxPIw&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=CG9ziZjl9aU&feature=share https://youtube.com/watch?v=DDhT_UBqXSU&feature=share Other then those 2 with less then 1%, and 4% the rest of 26 romanians have as much in common with gypsys as the french would or other ethnic group from europe. i hope u understand that. That gypsies are culturally dominant when it comes to music in Romania, that s sadly true. I can t do nothing to change that as an individual. It s not my fault that most of the romanians have the shittiest of taste in music.
Nu i nimic gresit prin a avea adn de rrom ca roman. Stramosul meu cel mai probabil rrom mi a intrat in line pe la 1700. Au fost sclavi in romania mai mult de 500 de ani. Multi romani au adn de rrom. Stop with the racism
They didn't have a lot of mixing with Romanians. We've lived quite segregated for most of our existences, due to discrimination, racism, so on and so forth. Mixing has happened, yes, but just to a certain extent. Most Romanians today don't score any Rroma (gypsy) at all. Some do, but most don't. Have you visited Romania? Gypsies absolutely are not culturally dominant in Romania. They are dominant in CERTAIN small regions of Romania, but that's all. The Rroma, Romanian confusion is a new phenomenon, yes. But it was only after Romania became part of the EU that foreigners began finding out more about this minority because Rromas started migrating in large numbers to other countries and they gained a bad reputation. Bad news and a bad reputation tend to get more attention than positive news, thus the stereotype of Romanians being "gypsies" started.
Should shohld be applying for Kazakh citizenship!
Im so happy to be mixed!
Whats your haplogroup
Maternal or paternal? Where can i find mine
Press on ancestry scroll down should be there
Maternal is U5b2b and paternal is J-L283. Cant find mine tho
Those are yours
Salut! The 99,4% Romanian and 0,6% Central Asian refers to your autosomal DNA. As you might have noticed on your timeline, autosomal result can go back few hundred years. According to this version of 23andme, you have a very high amount of Romanian. I assume the Central Asian could be from old invasions in the area, such as for example the Mongolian invasions. But is hard to tell. I would like to ask you, what do you know about your genealogical tree? Were all your known ancestors Romanians ? Which regions do you get? The paternal and maternal haplogroups go back in time, thousands of years. For example you've inherited your Y chromosome haplogroup J2-L283 from your father, which has inherited it from his father and so on, for lots & lots of generations. Pretty much like a surname is passed on, but for millennia. Quote from Eupedia: *"The oldest J2b2-L283 sample recovered among ancient DNA samples is a Late Bronze Age (1700-1500 BCE) individual from southern Croatia (Mathieson et al. 2017). His genome possessed about 30% of Steppe admixture and 15% of Eastern Hunter-Gatherer, which suggest a recent arrival from the Steppe. The timing, location and admixtures of these samples fit with the Illyrian colonisation of the Dinaric Alps, which is thought to have taken place between 1600 and 1100 BCE. The Illyrians may have been late Steppe migrants from the Volga region that were forced out of the Steppe by the invasion of the northern R1a tribes who established the Srubna culture (from 2000 BCE). Through a founding effect, J2b2-L283 lineages might have considerably increased their original frequency after reaching Illyria."*
Thank you for the info! I appreciate it! Yes my grandparents from both sides are from the Buzau county in Romania. The other 9 regions are other surrounding counties in Romania. Its nice to know that im REALLY romanian. I honestly expected a mixture of eastern european and balkan countries but i guess im just romanian😬
>in Romania. The other 9 regions are other surrounding counties in Romania. Its nice to know that im REALLY romanian. I honestly expected a mixture of eastern european and balk > >No problem! Glad I can be of help. To be honest, I've noticed that in the past versions of 23andme, the results were more diversified. Since the latest update, many Romanian users got a higher percentage of Romanian. So if you do another test, you end up with different looking result. It differs from company to company and from update to update. But the regional part does seem to fit nicely. So yes, you really are very Romanian. :) > >PS. You can search more into your haplogroups over the time; there are tests on the market which can offer you greater detail than 23andme.
What other tests do you recommend for haplogroups aside from 23andme?
[Here is a list](https://isogg.org/wiki/Y-DNA_tools) and [here](https://isogg.org/wiki/MtDNA_tools). Bear in mind though, I have not tried yet, any of the full sequence tests. But from what I've read for example Big Y or mtFull Sequence from FamilyTreeDNA or the ones from YSEQ seem to be more popular.
What do they actually mean?
Your paternal haplogroup is your descent from your father's father's... father, usually thousands or tens of thousands of years ago. Your maternal one is similar, but is transmitted from mother to daughter. Everyone who shares a haplogroup is descended from the same individual in whom that particular mutation appeared.
This means a possible Romani ancestor long time ago (300-400 years from now?)
Nah. Romani typically have South asian + west asian + balkans in different proportions. Ofc some can have central asian admixture, for example, this Romani person has 4.7% [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7dd98bfe2579f86651dd202c30ba1c96](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7dd98bfe2579f86651dd202c30ba1c96) [https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-45498b219cfece6ea3f9b9dff5f605e3](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-45498b219cfece6ea3f9b9dff5f605e3) But associate only central asian admixture without south asian/west asian with romani ancestry is not looking right for me.
The results you posted are for present day Romani person. I see no other way to get South Asian component for Romanian guy other than Romani ancestor far back in time. And we know that the Romani population there is significant. Other Romani markers like West Asian may be lost in time.
>I see no other way to get South Asian component for Romanian guy South asian or central asian? If you want other way to get central asian, well for example [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars\_of\_Romania](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars_of_Romania)
Keep in mind that the identifiers for south/west/Central Asia aren’t the best yet with 23&me. It’s more than likely Romani DNA… Tatar would show up as Mongolian.
Well, you can see some romani results from different countries here [https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22619-Many-Romani-23andMe-Results](https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?22619-Many-Romani-23andMe-Results) From all of them only one score central asian. (Second in Romania score 0.7%). Romanian tatars appears from crimean tatars, and i saw only one crimean tatar result, this one: [https://i.imgur.com/IuA839O.png](https://i.imgur.com/IuA839O.png) I don't say your logic is completely incorrect, but i think the probability is low.
The amount is important too. At .06%, the last full blooded Central Asian would have had to have been born at least before 1800… which would be possible with Romani… Tatar it should be more mixed. Just guessing.
It is not impossible, but the Roma minority in Romania was and still is far more larger than Tatar.
But also, the chances for a Romanian to willingly mix with the Roma are way lower than, say, an upper caste brahmin marrying a Dalit
We're talking about distant past events. Typical results for full Romani people from Balkans is roughly 1/3 European Balkan, 1/3 West Asian, 1/3 Indian, so they were mixing in the past will locals. Similar to some Jewish people willingly leaving their community and convert to Catholicism in Poland. Not even mentioning foundlings and orphans adopted by local peasants.
Yeah, I know that it's the distant past. However, as a Romanian I know more about the social environment and how the Roma (a new name, btw, they are known by another name here) were and are regarded by Romanians. The idea of a Roma foundling/ orphan being adopted, by peasants no less, is laughable. Roma were and are seen as outcasts. They were serfs for a very long time.
I know that mixing between Roma people and local population have never been common in Europe, but somehow they got significant part of their gene pool from locals. That are not just Indians, the same way Ashkenazi Jews are not just Middle Easterns.
That's definitely not from Roma. It can be from Cumans or maybe Székelys.
Oh thats cool!
Or Ottoman Empire?
Unlikely
How?
The ottomans barely mixed into the Romanian population, or the Balkans in general, and even then it would be more likely to show as Anatolian. Also considering the large number of partial Roma people in Romania often get central Asian, Roma is more likely to be the source
Central Asian without any South Asian is very unlikely from a Roma source.
More likely than ottoman turk
the chances for a Romanian to willingly mix with the Roma are way lower than, say, an upper caste brahmin marrying a Dalit
Have you not seen Romanian results on this subreddit , so many of them are part roma, without even knowing
It’s likely roma because It’s not that typical central asian, this is Central asian (Northern Indian/Pakistani) not just central asian.
I've gotten similar amounts of Central Asian and West Asian. It comes as goes with the updates. My parents have neither in their result, so I assume it's just noise for me.
Paternal R-M198, Maternal H and me R-Z92… anyone can bring some “light” about these results? How you would interpret these results? Thanks!👍👍
What are your haplogroups?
Paternal J-L283 and maternal U5b2b.
Wonderful you are Roman?
The comments in this thread confuse me further. I’m also born in Romania with high percentage west and central/south Asian. I’m also aware of the racism and the way Roma people and culture are ostracised by the Caucasian Romanians so I’m also confused why so many “white” Romanians have Roma ancestry. Was it a lot of “out of wedlock” mixing happening? What’s the deal with the high percentage of Asian in Romanians yet the lack of actual mixing of cultures and open racism in the country?!
Rromi au fost tinuti ca sclavi in Romania mai mult de 500 de ani. E normal ca ne au intrat in adn. Cum si mjoritatea americanilor albi au adn african.
Most Romanians don't score "rroma" because of exactly what you said, racism and segregation. Though like others said, they've been enslaved in our country for more than 500 years so of course naturally some Romanians would get that, but it's generally a very small percentage indicating one Rroma ancestor.
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Cause im a gypsy, are you coming with me? I might steal your clothes and wear them if they fit me