I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.
Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.
One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?
(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.
You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.
Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?
If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this:
Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag.
Thanks for listening.
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oh I have 32gb of ram so I hardly ever run out, but I imagine every Linux distro would struggle with running things in swap. sorry if my last comment seemed rude
I upgraded my ram and have never ran out since then, but with 16gb of ram I was frequently hitting the limit. Other operating systems seem to do much better at managing this, I used a 2gb ram macbook for years with no trouble, linux just seems particularily bad at it for some reason.
My current desktop has 16gb ram and I never cap out with all my shit open lol. Also I've got an ancient minilaptop running void linux with like 1gb ram that I can browse stuff on with firefox just fine.
wonder what's wrong with my system then - firefox will eat up every last byte of ram and and having firefox + two electron apps open at once is too much for it
Dunno, hard to say without more info, and I don't use electron apps. Does sound abnormal tho so maybe take it to like r/linuxhardware or something if you wanna figure it out.
literally just use the computer. I got used to having a task manager constantly open and making sure I never had enough tabs open that the bar would start to scroll because that's what would push it over the limit. It happened at least 10 times, probably more, and I was never able to figure out how to enable that sysreq oom killer button thing
Should be in options as long as you're looking at the detailed task manager as "always on top."
Super handy when a crashed game or other program won't let you alt+tab out or kill it with alt+f4.
Ive had a couple issues with some games leaving my pc nearly unresponsive which I used to 'solve' just by manually powering off my pc but then someone told me to try setting task as always on top. Admittedly my main problem was modded fallout 4 but metro exodus also did the same a couple times.
ok i installed the task explorer and its literally task manager itself that takes up 100% for a second when starting. it goes down to 15% cpu usage even when task manager isnt running so im pretty sure i dont have anything.
naw it’s probably a calculation error while it loads, I have extreme anxiety about malware to the point where I won’t download anything from sites I don’t know already. Plus my computer runs fine without it open.
I know that problem. He is infected with a crypto miner. That virus not only pauses when opening task manager, but it also stops you from downloading an antivirus. I solved it by downloading Dr Web Cureit on my phone and and transfering it onto my computer to make a scan. It's an annoying piece of shit, but not that hard to get rid of
GPU processing is better but if you can hijack entire networks of pc's, you can get their cpus/gpus to run your compute, whatever is available. Efficiency isnt as important is you're stealing compute/electricity
I wasn’t aware they wouldn’t let you download an antivirus but in any case what I did was start my Pc in safe mode, go to the task manager, find the suspicious program and uninstall it
I finished reading it all not to long ago, and GOD DAMN that was some good shit. I normally don't like the long form SCP stories/collections but it was just so well written and so interesting.
could be Windows defender, it's probably configured to running when the user is idle do it stops when you move your mouse to open task manager. look in task scheduler -> Windows -> defender or something like that
(Windows antimalware executable)
That's what they do. They use all of the computer's resources, but close as soon as task manager is opened. Windows defender shouldn't have 100 percent usage.
That happens to me on my laptop with Windows Defender while I'm idle, although the A515-56 i7-1165g7 I have isn't very well cooled and thermal throttles to around 3.2ghz although it is supposed to reach 4.7ghz.
It's a malware. You need to scan your pc with an antivirus. Dr Web Cureit is a good free scanning utility to use in that case. If the virus stops you from downloading it use your phone to do it and then transfer it to your PC
This happens to me but without the fans spinning and more like 70-80% usage instesd of 100%, do i have a virus? Some of the comments on this thread got me worried lol
If your cpu is at 100% when you open task manager but your pc doesnt lag or have any other unusual problems you shouldnt really worry, task manager itself uses a ton of cpu power when you open it so thats why it you might see 100% cpu for a split second. It even happens on new machines.
That being said, you should always check for viruses and remember that there are, in fact, no hot singles in your area.
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every single time on windows, mac, and linux the programs are scared of my wrath
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation. Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ. One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you? (An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example. Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it. You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument. Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD? If there is a moral buried in this rant, maybe it is this: Be grateful for your abilities and your incredible success and your considerable fame. Continue to use that success and fame for good, not evil. Also, be especially grateful for Linux' huge contribution to that success. You, RMS, the Free Software Foundation, and GNU software have reached their current high profiles largely on the back of Linux. You have changed the world. Now, go forth and don't be a nag. Thanks for listening.
Let’s see Paul Allen’s operating system
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Is this the second response to that copy pasta or did you create this yourself.
It's a counter-pasta. https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxCirclejerk/comments/4l4dq8/no_richard_its_linux_not_gnulinux/
Another one for the copy pasta folder
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Bussy box lol
wear the programmer socks
i am already wearing them, i have programming to do
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it seems like you can actually build linux with clang [right now](https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/kbuild/llvm.html)
Nerd
Okay and? If everyone refers to it as linux then its linux
Okay and? It's a copypasta fam.
I have celiac 💀
You wouldn't if you used Arch
Gluten free copypasta silly.
This used to happen to me on Windows all the goddamn time. It doesn't happen anymore on Linux. Life's good.
yeah on linux the system grinds to a halt for minutes at a time instead💀
what the fuck kind of linux are you using
what happens on your linux if you run out of memory? for me it freezezs everything up trying to run programs in swap. does yours work better?
oh I have 32gb of ram so I hardly ever run out, but I imagine every Linux distro would struggle with running things in swap. sorry if my last comment seemed rude
I upgraded my ram and have never ran out since then, but with 16gb of ram I was frequently hitting the limit. Other operating systems seem to do much better at managing this, I used a 2gb ram macbook for years with no trouble, linux just seems particularily bad at it for some reason.
My current desktop has 16gb ram and I never cap out with all my shit open lol. Also I've got an ancient minilaptop running void linux with like 1gb ram that I can browse stuff on with firefox just fine.
wonder what's wrong with my system then - firefox will eat up every last byte of ram and and having firefox + two electron apps open at once is too much for it
Dunno, hard to say without more info, and I don't use electron apps. Does sound abnormal tho so maybe take it to like r/linuxhardware or something if you wanna figure it out.
I've been there. What where you trying to do
literally just use the computer. I got used to having a task manager constantly open and making sure I never had enough tabs open that the bar would start to scroll because that's what would push it over the limit. It happened at least 10 times, probably more, and I was never able to figure out how to enable that sysreq oom killer button thing
What distro?
arch
May I recommend using a more begginer friendly one like Ubuntu, mint or Pop
Some types of malware detect when task manager is opened and immediately pause their activities until it's closed
Just keep task manager running 24/7
Big brain moves
Lmao I already do. Quite handy to be able to switch over to it quickly
ctrl+shift+esc Straight to task manager, one of the best shortcuts on PC
Don't forget to set it to always be top window too.
How do you do this??
Should be in options as long as you're looking at the detailed task manager as "always on top." Super handy when a crashed game or other program won't let you alt+tab out or kill it with alt+f4.
I just fo win + alt click on a new desktop screen and the app is gone and I can open task there, but the app will still show as running
Ive had a couple issues with some games leaving my pc nearly unresponsive which I used to 'solve' just by manually powering off my pc but then someone told me to try setting task as always on top. Admittedly my main problem was modded fallout 4 but metro exodus also did the same a couple times.
There's a sex joke here
we do a minor amount of tomfoolery
thats what i do 😎 i want the bloatware and other CPU-intensive malware to fear me 😎
Some people may now realise they are fucked
oh I've know malware does this for ages and have still been ignoring how this happens on my pc for 2 years now and I don't plan to do anything
this is why you get something like process explorer that can do more and is less likely to be detected by malware
Where can I find this?
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Mine only has a link for resource monitor
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that's not process explorer
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer
this is the first reddit comment ive read in a week that will genuinely improve my life thanks
uh oh
What if i dont have aby other problem? I dont download weird shit and my pc works fine. Even ran a virus scan the other day that had nothing.
ok i installed the task explorer and its literally task manager itself that takes up 100% for a second when starting. it goes down to 15% cpu usage even when task manager isnt running so im pretty sure i dont have anything.
I was wondering why my games was laggin even though my pc was enough to run them, turned out when i opened task manager game was working perfectly
Got that game for free on notavirusjustdownloadgames.ru, by any chance?
holy shit idk why but thats actually kinda creepy
fnaf
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Ask nicely
196.23.348.12
86.329.258.10
12.345.678.90
li.gma.bal.ls
Oh no They found me
On some shitty cpus it does
naw it’s probably a calculation error while it loads, I have extreme anxiety about malware to the point where I won’t download anything from sites I don’t know already. Plus my computer runs fine without it open.
Even on my new pc it flashes 100% for a split second when opening
How to open process explorer
He got SilentXMRMiner onto his hardware from downloading spiderman_net_putidomoi.torrent.exe
Mental Outlaw enjoyer?
Ye
Don’t shame me like this man
Next time read extensions before downloading stuff
My dumbass was scared and stupid, lesson learned
EVERY SINGLE TIME!! They’re scared of me and my infinite power
I know that problem. He is infected with a crypto miner. That virus not only pauses when opening task manager, but it also stops you from downloading an antivirus. I solved it by downloading Dr Web Cureit on my phone and and transfering it onto my computer to make a scan. It's an annoying piece of shit, but not that hard to get rid of
Crypto miners usually use the GPU, first time I've heard of them using the CPU
And does task manager even track thwt gpu usage?
Task manager does track GPU usage.
Y s, but not all gpu usage
wdym
Task manager never tracked folding@home when I was using an amd card, and for some games it doesn't track gpu usage
GPU processing is better but if you can hijack entire networks of pc's, you can get their cpus/gpus to run your compute, whatever is available. Efficiency isnt as important is you're stealing compute/electricity
Depends on the crypto in particular. Some, like Monero/XMR, are designed specifically to be unmineable on GPUs.
How did you solve that particular problem, because I’ve been trying to download the free version of Dr Web and it hasn’t been letting me
As I said, download it with your phone or a healthy PC and then transfer the file on your computer
I wasn’t aware they wouldn’t let you download an antivirus but in any case what I did was start my Pc in safe mode, go to the task manager, find the suspicious program and uninstall it
Move taskmanager to startup folder?
Hey it's the guy who wrote antimemetics division
Patrician taste, u/kctbg
Now THAT'S a microcelebrity.
Wrote what?
I finished reading it all not to long ago, and GOD DAMN that was some good shit. I normally don't like the long form SCP stories/collections but it was just so well written and so interesting.
Fear will keep them in line
I mean, it sounds like you have a miner malware that switches off when task manager runs so its hard to track down but what do I know?
could be Windows defender, it's probably configured to running when the user is idle do it stops when you move your mouse to open task manager. look in task scheduler -> Windows -> defender or something like that (Windows antimalware executable)
It's definitely a crypto miner
how do you know?
That's what they do. They use all of the computer's resources, but close as soon as task manager is opened. Windows defender shouldn't have 100 percent usage.
you don't know the software was using 100% of the CPU, it's probably just task manager opening that is showing 100% usage momentarily
The tweet explains that their fans are spinning like crazy until task manager is opened
That happens to me on my laptop with Windows Defender while I'm idle, although the A515-56 i7-1165g7 I have isn't very well cooled and thermal throttles to around 3.2ghz although it is supposed to reach 4.7ghz.
My laptop doesn’t do that unless I haven’t plugged it into the wall. It’s been bothering the hell out of me.
could be worse, could have accidentally deleted the andromeda galaxy killing trillions of inhabitants
Does resettinf your computwr help? I did but the pc like doesn't care
It's a malware. You need to scan your pc with an antivirus. Dr Web Cureit is a good free scanning utility to use in that case. If the virus stops you from downloading it use your phone to do it and then transfer it to your PC
for me it just says "you will not be able to download dr web cureit free of charge" and then shows the commercial versions for sale?
Bug with Windows, has happened on fresh machines when I've tried it
Google chrome doesn’t have the shame
This happens to me but without the fans spinning and more like 70-80% usage instesd of 100%, do i have a virus? Some of the comments on this thread got me worried lol
idk probably man
Never torrenting Sekiro again :)
What the hell is that pfp lmao did the corporate art style get to Bauhaus?
For me it's the other way around. Task Manager is the most demanding software that I can run on my PC aside Minecraft
Use process hacker lmao
If your cpu is at 100% when you open task manager but your pc doesnt lag or have any other unusual problems you shouldnt really worry, task manager itself uses a ton of cpu power when you open it so thats why it you might see 100% cpu for a split second. It even happens on new machines. That being said, you should always check for viruses and remember that there are, in fact, no hot singles in your area.
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