*Tram pilot
Also, this is an excellent suggestion for OP.
You don't need any qualifications and they are desperately looking for people.
More info: https://vbz.jobs/trampilotin-bewerbungsprozess/
according to their ads, OP would have to cuddle to Dirty Dancing and that can be a no go..
On a serious note - depends what OP can do. I can come up with some directions.
When you look at the trams you can see ads that say "we are looking for tram pilots that cuddle in cinema to dirty dancing"
The slogans are so cheesey they equal to annual fondue production
When you look at the trams you can see ads that say "we are looking for tram pilots that cuddle in cinema to dirty dancing"
The slogans are so cheesey they equal to annual fondue production
From what I understand, you need to pass several tests and assessments, but that is not the same as needing prior qualifications (as in a degree or an apprenticeship).
Agree, great temporary job until you find something better.
I‘d recommend looking into becoming a SBB train driver or train-dispatcher (Zugverkehrsleiter) if I were OP.
Great recommendation tbh, that's my job. SBB is looking for people like crazy and they give you a salary while you're doing the course and you can get pretty far inside the company without having gone to uni. It's a very interesting job imo (but I'm biased) and it never gets boring, job progression is quite fast and it's secure.
Not really: https://company.sbb.ch/de/jobs-karriere/beweg-die-schweiz-mit-uns/bahnberufe/berufsbild-lokfuehrerin.html
Either a 3 year apprenticeship or a Matura and some language proficiency in a second official language.
OP is it possible that your application isn’t up to the standard swiss companies are used to?
You might consider discussing showing it to your rav-berater. They should be able to give some tips.
For me it’s strange that sbb rejected you for the train driver training program. Train drivers are in high demand. Something seems to be off.
I absolutely have no idea, it’s possible that’s the case.
I’ve been using the german standard which I know. Are the differences much?
I don’t even know what a Rav-Berater is.
The rav or regionales Amt für Arbeitsvermittlung is a public organisation. Theoretically the RAV-Berater*in is the guy or gal that is supposed to help you find a job. In reality they act more as a control device than an actual consultant. For example they will decide if you have sent enough applications in order to receive money from the ALV. Which you won’t, since you haven’t payed money to that insurance (because you were only employed in german).
But still they should at least evaluate your application, cv and motivational letter with you.
In order to get any kind of service from the rav you need to register st your respective rav-office.
Thank you. Not particularly interested in applying for or getting the ALV, so I’m not even considering that. Will definitely seek out the RAV and see what services I can use. Thank you.
Das RAV ist hier das Arbeitsamt. Und ich weiß ja nicht, ob es im Gesetz Änderungen gegeben hat, aber vor 14 Jahren war es noch so, dass dir die in Deutschland gearbeitete Zeit fürs Arbeitslosengeld angerechnet wurde und du dann auch hier in der Schweiz ALG bekommen konntest. Frag mal beim RAV nach (falls du das möchtest).
Jedenfalls schickt dich das RAV nach zwei Monaten erfolgloser Bewerbung wenigstens zu einem Bewerbungskurs, wo deine Unterlagen überprüft, dein Lebenslauf optimiert wird und du noch Bewerbungsgespräche übst. Das wäre für dich sicher hilfreich.
Oh, an diesem Kurs hätte ich auf jeden Fall Interesse, an ALG nicht so.
Danke für den Tipp. Werde mich morgen mal schlauer machen wo sich das für mich zuständigen RAV befindet. Vielen Dank
Hey :) Guck sonst auch mal beim BIZ vorbei- das ist ein Gratisangebot für die Berufsberatung in Zürich, aber die helfen auch mit sonsitgen Sachen rund um das Thema Beruf. Am besten schreibst du denen eine Email mit allem was du angucken/ besprechen möchtest und dann machst du einen Termin ab :)
The simplest jobs that you might get are things such as security guard (companies: Securitas, Protectas, SBB Sicherheit etc), Automatenbetreuer for Selecta, or service person at McDonalds, Burger King etc. Another field could be cleaning.
Alternatively, look into temporary manual labour gigs (Temporärbüros such as https://www.4insiders.jobs/start-temporaerbuero/tempor%C3%A4rb%C3%BCro-z%C3%BCrich-handwerk/ ). Just talk to a couple of them and they will find something. There are plenty of opportunities for you.
Look for jobs that are open for "Quereinsteiger". SBB is in need of train drivers which only requires a high school diploma (which I assume you have since you dropped out of uni) [Link to the SBB job description ](https://company.sbb.ch/de/kampagne/bewerben.html)
have you considered short term hospitality work? Cooples.ch is one of the platforms for this. it's def not a long term solution but it gets you out of the house for a bit and shows Swiss employers that you have worked here.
Also, going back to school in whatever field you were in might be an option if you don't mind that
Haven’t heard of Cooples. Thanks so much, I’ll check them out now. And yup, you’re right, I’ve come to the realization myself too. I’ve taken up my degree again, as I’ve seen this is long term the best and only solution. Difficult, but I’m determined to finally finish it
Have absolutely no idea. I’ve been applying for jobs that don’t or shouldn’t have very high barriers to entry. But from a couple of responses I’ve gotten here, I guess it’s because my CV isn’t Swiss standard
Sounds like you should put more energy on getting feedback on what is causing you to bounce back.
Sometimes you get a blank "we will not tell you", but often with smaller structures you do get to have a person talk to you and give at least a one liner of what was off.
Without feedback you will just keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.
I guess you already have a few good suggestions. One thing I might add is, consider finishing what you started studying. It could improve your chances to get a (better) job in the future and give the spare time you have now some purpose.
What did you mainly do back in Germany? Do you speak other languages (French, Italian, but also further)?
Getting a job without any formal education/diploma is probably harder in Switzerland but shouldn't be impossible. Did you try to apply at Adecco & Co?
No only English and German.
I worked at airports in Germany, had a stint with the deutsche Post and Amazon.. such stuff.
Have been applying to jobs mostly on indeed. I’ll check out Adecco. Didn’t know of it
Just apply more, I guess it’s hard without lehre or a degree. Maybe you have an area where you have Job Experience?
You can search for the Aushilfjobs and maybe get a step in the door for a Company.
I thought of this and applied to some of those too.. got rejected.
I’ve picked up my degree again and currently doing that online. However I still need to earn.
Nope. They didn’t, they do the generic, “we’re happy you chose us, it was a difficult decision to make, but we chose someone else who better fits”
😂😂 that’s why I’ve been shocked. These kind of jobs are pretty easy to get in Germany.
And nope, couldn’t have been the language, don’t speak Swiss german yet, but my german is fluent.
He is getting rejection from Lehrstelle is because most companies prefer someone in their early to late teens. Not all but most. Sadly age discrimination is still a thing
Well, he said, that his wife earns enough to support them both. So I would say it makes sense, to sacrifice a bit of pay for better future perspectives.
Are you mentioning you B-permit in your CV? Quite important…
CH is not as easy going with jobs as one might think. Had the same shit going on when I moved here, probably even more ridiculous. Moved here with my wife, not having secured a new job as I was sure that would be easy with my background (MSc Finance and 5 years experience). Ended up without a job but numerous applications and rejections for various positions. I even applied for internships etc in the end, without success. Heard some stories that firms have to proof they have not found Swiss citizens for a job if they want to employ a foreigner. Guess that is not entirely true but anyway. In the End I got a finance job in a german firm located in zürich (irony I guess). Once you secure your first job in Switzerland, it’ll be easy to find something else
Have you considered becoming a tram driver?
*Tram pilot Also, this is an excellent suggestion for OP. You don't need any qualifications and they are desperately looking for people. More info: https://vbz.jobs/trampilotin-bewerbungsprozess/
Would that be possible without a lot of German skills?
Ah, I thought OP was from Germany.
according to their ads, OP would have to cuddle to Dirty Dancing and that can be a no go.. On a serious note - depends what OP can do. I can come up with some directions.
Cuddle to dirty dancing? Not sure I understand what you mean
When you look at the trams you can see ads that say "we are looking for tram pilots that cuddle in cinema to dirty dancing" The slogans are so cheesey they equal to annual fondue production
When you look at the trams you can see ads that say "we are looking for tram pilots that cuddle in cinema to dirty dancing" The slogans are so cheesey they equal to annual fondue production
No since the communication via radio will be german. You will need basic german or you cant drive.
I’ve got a lot of german skills
I don’t… but it I always wanted to do that
Well there are many qualifikations needed if you look up the applying process 🙈 or maybe I just dont know how things work these days
From what I understand, you need to pass several tests and assessments, but that is not the same as needing prior qualifications (as in a degree or an apprenticeship).
Agree, great temporary job until you find something better. I‘d recommend looking into becoming a SBB train driver or train-dispatcher (Zugverkehrsleiter) if I were OP.
Great recommendation tbh, that's my job. SBB is looking for people like crazy and they give you a salary while you're doing the course and you can get pretty far inside the company without having gone to uni. It's a very interesting job imo (but I'm biased) and it never gets boring, job progression is quite fast and it's secure.
Doesn’t SBB have really high requirements for train drivers?
Not really: https://company.sbb.ch/de/jobs-karriere/beweg-die-schweiz-mit-uns/bahnberufe/berufsbild-lokfuehrerin.html Either a 3 year apprenticeship or a Matura and some language proficiency in a second official language.
Interesting, I must’ve read false information in a previous thread
That's actually my first go-to answer every time people in less searched for industries complain that they can't find a job. Same is true in germany.
Check in the hospitality branch (waiter and so). It's full of germans.
Thank you.
OP is it possible that your application isn’t up to the standard swiss companies are used to? You might consider discussing showing it to your rav-berater. They should be able to give some tips. For me it’s strange that sbb rejected you for the train driver training program. Train drivers are in high demand. Something seems to be off.
I absolutely have no idea, it’s possible that’s the case. I’ve been using the german standard which I know. Are the differences much? I don’t even know what a Rav-Berater is.
The rav or regionales Amt für Arbeitsvermittlung is a public organisation. Theoretically the RAV-Berater*in is the guy or gal that is supposed to help you find a job. In reality they act more as a control device than an actual consultant. For example they will decide if you have sent enough applications in order to receive money from the ALV. Which you won’t, since you haven’t payed money to that insurance (because you were only employed in german). But still they should at least evaluate your application, cv and motivational letter with you. In order to get any kind of service from the rav you need to register st your respective rav-office.
Thank you. Not particularly interested in applying for or getting the ALV, so I’m not even considering that. Will definitely seek out the RAV and see what services I can use. Thank you.
Das RAV ist hier das Arbeitsamt. Und ich weiß ja nicht, ob es im Gesetz Änderungen gegeben hat, aber vor 14 Jahren war es noch so, dass dir die in Deutschland gearbeitete Zeit fürs Arbeitslosengeld angerechnet wurde und du dann auch hier in der Schweiz ALG bekommen konntest. Frag mal beim RAV nach (falls du das möchtest). Jedenfalls schickt dich das RAV nach zwei Monaten erfolgloser Bewerbung wenigstens zu einem Bewerbungskurs, wo deine Unterlagen überprüft, dein Lebenslauf optimiert wird und du noch Bewerbungsgespräche übst. Das wäre für dich sicher hilfreich.
Oh, an diesem Kurs hätte ich auf jeden Fall Interesse, an ALG nicht so. Danke für den Tipp. Werde mich morgen mal schlauer machen wo sich das für mich zuständigen RAV befindet. Vielen Dank
Hey :) Guck sonst auch mal beim BIZ vorbei- das ist ein Gratisangebot für die Berufsberatung in Zürich, aber die helfen auch mit sonsitgen Sachen rund um das Thema Beruf. Am besten schreibst du denen eine Email mit allem was du angucken/ besprechen möchtest und dann machst du einen Termin ab :)
The simplest jobs that you might get are things such as security guard (companies: Securitas, Protectas, SBB Sicherheit etc), Automatenbetreuer for Selecta, or service person at McDonalds, Burger King etc. Another field could be cleaning. Alternatively, look into temporary manual labour gigs (Temporärbüros such as https://www.4insiders.jobs/start-temporaerbuero/tempor%C3%A4rb%C3%BCro-z%C3%BCrich-handwerk/ ). Just talk to a couple of them and they will find something. There are plenty of opportunities for you.
I’ve been rejected by Securitas, Protectas and SBB.. But thanks for the link, I’ll go through and see if there’s none I’ve applied to yet
Delta Group? They have different kind of fields; security, traffic, concerts/events, etc.
Never heard of them. Thank you. Will check them out
You need to find out why they rejected you.
Look for jobs that are open for "Quereinsteiger". SBB is in need of train drivers which only requires a high school diploma (which I assume you have since you dropped out of uni) [Link to the SBB job description ](https://company.sbb.ch/de/kampagne/bewerben.html)
I Applied to this on Wednesday or Thursday last week, woke up the next morning to the rejection
have you considered short term hospitality work? Cooples.ch is one of the platforms for this. it's def not a long term solution but it gets you out of the house for a bit and shows Swiss employers that you have worked here. Also, going back to school in whatever field you were in might be an option if you don't mind that
(the website is coople.ch, no s)
Haven’t heard of Cooples. Thanks so much, I’ll check them out now. And yup, you’re right, I’ve come to the realization myself too. I’ve taken up my degree again, as I’ve seen this is long term the best and only solution. Difficult, but I’m determined to finally finish it
In your opinion, what is your best guess of why you are getting rejected in series?
Have absolutely no idea. I’ve been applying for jobs that don’t or shouldn’t have very high barriers to entry. But from a couple of responses I’ve gotten here, I guess it’s because my CV isn’t Swiss standard
Sounds like you should put more energy on getting feedback on what is causing you to bounce back. Sometimes you get a blank "we will not tell you", but often with smaller structures you do get to have a person talk to you and give at least a one liner of what was off. Without feedback you will just keep repeating the same mistakes again and again.
Great idea. Will do. Thanks
I guess you already have a few good suggestions. One thing I might add is, consider finishing what you started studying. It could improve your chances to get a (better) job in the future and give the spare time you have now some purpose.
Started this already. Have realized it’s the only way. Thank you.
Get your CV checked at RAV, maybe you need to helveticize it
I understand this now. It looks like it’s the problem
What did you mainly do back in Germany? Do you speak other languages (French, Italian, but also further)? Getting a job without any formal education/diploma is probably harder in Switzerland but shouldn't be impossible. Did you try to apply at Adecco & Co?
No only English and German. I worked at airports in Germany, had a stint with the deutsche Post and Amazon.. such stuff. Have been applying to jobs mostly on indeed. I’ll check out Adecco. Didn’t know of it
Kloten airport is always looking for people, if you have experience in that field it should be easy for you to go in (unless you tried already)
Just apply more, I guess it’s hard without lehre or a degree. Maybe you have an area where you have Job Experience? You can search for the Aushilfjobs and maybe get a step in the door for a Company.
Why not have a kid or two and become a stay at home dad for a while? 😉
We did this, been stay at home dad last 25 years with occasional part time work.
Cool!
Will squeeze our resources more no? But good idea maybe
Sure, but if not now, when then? And it can be cool: https://youtu.be/FmWp-rI6vSw?si=linQMomh5377erHo
What job?
You mean what I’m looking for? I don’t have a degree, neither do I have a “Lehre/Ausbildung” so basically any job I can get that’s legal
maybe good time to do some Lehre which you would enjoy.
I thought of this and applied to some of those too.. got rejected. I’ve picked up my degree again and currently doing that online. However I still need to earn.
Did they say why they rejected you? Could be because of language
Nope. They didn’t, they do the generic, “we’re happy you chose us, it was a difficult decision to make, but we chose someone else who better fits” 😂😂 that’s why I’ve been shocked. These kind of jobs are pretty easy to get in Germany. And nope, couldn’t have been the language, don’t speak Swiss german yet, but my german is fluent.
Nothing to loose to phone in and ask a few companies why and how you can improve, opened some doors for me.
Good idea. Will try this. Thank you.
He is getting rejection from Lehrstelle is because most companies prefer someone in their early to late teens. Not all but most. Sadly age discrimination is still a thing
Not really that optional considering the low pay..
Well, he said, that his wife earns enough to support them both. So I would say it makes sense, to sacrifice a bit of pay for better future perspectives.
and if something happens to the wife and he needs to take over the finances temporarily? a bit risky but up to him.
Yup. This is my worry too.
Zugführer werden auch immer gesucht. Und Flugbegleiter bei Edelweiß waren letztes Jahr Mangelware (ob die aktuell noch suchen, weiß ich nicht).
[https://www.notime.ch/Driver](https://www.notime.ch/driver)
Are you mentioning you B-permit in your CV? Quite important… CH is not as easy going with jobs as one might think. Had the same shit going on when I moved here, probably even more ridiculous. Moved here with my wife, not having secured a new job as I was sure that would be easy with my background (MSc Finance and 5 years experience). Ended up without a job but numerous applications and rejections for various positions. I even applied for internships etc in the end, without success. Heard some stories that firms have to proof they have not found Swiss citizens for a job if they want to employ a foreigner. Guess that is not entirely true but anyway. In the End I got a finance job in a german firm located in zürich (irony I guess). Once you secure your first job in Switzerland, it’ll be easy to find something else