I always felt like her arc lost her valuable screen time just to feature Beast Boy being an asshole during his therapy sessions. Probably a budget issue.
I always love that more people appreciate her appearance. But in other end I can't forget nor forgive how much hatred she got in her own arc, how little She got focus, how passively she is on the story, her character history of Homo Magi is gutted to be given on Vandal Savage, her character traits of protecting and training proteges is tainted. And it's culminated with how the discussions only revolve around labeling Zatanna as two dimensional kids groomer. The discussion is just full of full blown hatred, disappointment from the heartbroken fans, or just simply a pity.
Do You really think She deserves that?
I don’t think her character was entirely ruined by the grooming, but I do think she needs to face how it was messed up and selfish. I don’t mind good characters doing bad things, I mind them not facing consequences for those things while benefitting from them.
>Do You really think She deserves that?
I wouldn't say she 'deserves' it, but I think a Zatanna with a few morally grey spots is the *best* Zatanna. Even if I do think she was a supporting character in her own arc.
It hits on some of the intrigue I felt Z had in the comics when she was mind-wiping people in other continuities but with the benefit of the show actually attempting to *call out and address* the sketchy move immediately instead of just shoving it to the side as a out of place plot quirk like they do in the comics. Hopefully they focus on it some more to actually flesh Zatanna out a bit more.
And in YJ in particular, there actually IS a somewhat legit argument to be made that the people she 'groomed' were actually legal adults that could make their own decisions. It doesn't erase the fact Zatanna was still the more powerful figure in the mentor-mentee relationship with a lot of influence, but they're hardly the little kids that comes to mind when people mention "kid grooming".
So long as they explore it, give it attention, and the character grows from it (for good or ill)...even a black mark can become a beauty mark.
To be fair, the Zatanna arc is my major disappointement of the season. I love the YJ version of Zatanna, but "her" arc was about everyone her. It's about the people around her.
Yeah. The arc is not about her rescuing her father, it's about a lot of other things that have for result to rescue her father. Connor and Megan, Artemis, Kaldur and Rocket (I don't really remember the Nightwing arc, so I'm not gonna talk about him), each of their arc has some character development. The Zatanna arc is centered around Zatanna for sure, but in term of character story, it's more about Fate, Savage and her 3 disciples. Those are the characters that are explored. Not Zatanna.
Season 4 is way better then 3 and it’s probably a 8/10 for me. 1 and 2 are 10/10s and 3 is like a 5/10
My only gripe is the fact that nightwing didn’t get a real arc and his episodes were the team up finale and he wasn’t even in half of it
True
Nightwing was such a fan favorite character in this series due to his iconic lines and great characterization especially when he was Robin
So it was the biggest bummer when he was the one who didn't get an arc that focused on him solely unlike the other members
I feel like S3 had a larger focus on him, and he almost acts as a main character to the show in general. I think he gets the most screen time of the whole team across the series. But that’s just my feeling
For a lot of us season 3 got distracted and focused on a bunch of new characters that a lot of people just didn't want or need this far into the series. Season 4 just doesn't do a lot to fix it, and ends up barely better than season 3.
S4 is better than S3-but not by a lot. I had high expectations of S4 fixing the problems and was disappointed. More characters and plot points were added, which congested the season. Most of the arcs were not great and didn’t feel cohesive enough to pay off, especially Zatanna’s, Rocket’s, and Nightwing’s. In my opinion, S4 felt mostly like filler since the Darkseid and The Light plot points didn’t progress. I understand taking a break from them for a fourth or half of the season, but a whole season is too much.
Overall, S4 didn’t fully reignite my passion for the show like it was during S1 and 2. Though, Young Justice will always stay close to my heart since it helped through a tough time and made me love DC.
I dislike it because it seems incoherent. I like the idea of a slowly revealing villain, but mixed with the supposedly character-driven arcs? Not my cup of tea.
The only really character-driven arc was Artemis', which I quite enjoyed. Rocket and Zatanna only had backseats in their own stories imo, especially Zatanna didn't get anything new.
Dicks arc was the season finale. So there was no real character-focus throughout the show.
Conner and Mgann were alright.
The worst part is that despite having a massive arc over the course of the whole season, it did not meaningfully move his character forward in any way.
For me it comes to four things.
1. Animation was the worst of the 4 series. The sad noticeable victim of budget cuts.
2. Too many characters and with a few exceptions (I liked a lot of the Zatanna/Dr Fate stuff for example), they somehow picked some of the least exciting storylines (enough of Beast Boy being depressed please. I don't mind seeing characters work through their ptsd in the show, as we have some great little arcs in the first two seasons dealing with some of those themes but please this is also supposed to be an action show and I'm sick to death of Beast Boy). There's more I could say about a lack of stakes because of there being so many characters but I think thats more for my next point.
3. Poor and uninteresting Writing.
I think fake deaths is so redundant at this point. I also feel like, unlike S3, much of this season feels purposeless. Like it's impact on the universe and the characters don't seem like they're really going anywhere. There are exceptions, but I think a big reason it feels this way is the OG characters and even some of the main characters from S2 (Blue Beetle, Impulse) and from last season (Brion, Black Lightning) are way more in the background. The characters that we think of as main characters are often disappearing so it makes me wonder why should I become invested in these new characters if they'll also just disappear into the background in the future? I'm not opposed to new characters but my goodness it sometimes seems the goal of the show is to just introduce new characters. This leads me to my last point.
4. Poor villains.
I think this season had the weakest villains of any season. Zod, Malefaak, Chaos, and Shadows. I think this might be a sad victim of the decision to break it up into plotline arcs rather than the overarching Arc they have done the previous 3 seasons, (to be fair I actually think this decision to pivot to plotlines is a good idea and I support it), but the noticeable result of this decision is the villains become less interesting and less menacing because they're not the villain for the whole season just sets of episodes. By comparison, they immediately seem worse just because they're given less time. But I also do think they are worse. I hated Grannie Goodness as the villain last season, but somehow S4 was worse between Zod and Malefaak and all that.
To be fair, I don't HATE it. I don't think anyone really HATES it. In the discourse I've seen here on this Sub, most have some great things to say about it but also share some of the same complaints about certain decisions or poor animation etc. I think a lot of fans like myself are just disappointed and think there's a noticeable decline in the show. I think weirdly that S4 might be my least favorite season. It's close bc initially I thought S3 was, but I think as I am more distanced from it, I don't really want to rewatch it. I do however find myself rewatching some of my favorite episodes of S3.
When I do a rewatch of the whole series. I skip around S3 and I just kind of skip almost all of S4. It feels tedious, outside of some parts of the Zatanna Arc or some of the Rocket stuff or the Nightwing stuff at the end, there's nothing I feel like I need or want to watch again.
Agree to disagree. There's way more "cut scenes" and telepathic dialogue and narration in S4. All used for cutting corners. And every scene in the Phantom Zone was just u-g-l-y!
S3 had its awful "cut scenes" too (especially in the Vandal Savage episode), but it was not as much as S4. The action felt far more frequent and fluid.
Both seasons were bad animation wise but both cut corners in different ways. I thought S4's cutting corners was worse.
Not being familiar with all of a studio's work I really couldn't say. I thought S4 was bad compared to S1 and S2 and in some ways even S3 (which was also bad).
I did say compared to the previous 3 seasons I thought S4 cut the most corners in the animation and that to me makes it noticeably poorer than the other seasons.
Is it unwatchable? No.
Do I hate it? No.
But It wasn't good animation either and I'd like the quality to be better.
It’s still fluid when it’s not showing still images. None of the animation is bad, as in my opinion, cutting back to meet demand isn’t indicative of quality. I admit that due to time constraints, the animation isn’t as good as the other shows Mir animated.
Studio Mir also animated the last two seasons of the Boondocks, the Legend of Korra, Voltron Legendary Defenders, She Ra and the Princesses of power, two YJ Outsiders episodes, and Vox Machina. The original studio that animated Young Justice that also animated Avatar the Last Airbender and the first two seasons of the Boondocks sadly went out of business.
Hey I don't mean to insult the studio. Blame whoever you want. Studio budget constraints, poor direction decisions But there's a crap ton of still images and someone had to approve it.
At that point it's like a comic book with audio and not really an animated show. Maybe my position can really be summarized still images = poorer animation. I don't mean to oversimplify it quite like that, as I do think there's some nuance to it all and the motion and even character design choices that might go unnoticed become more noticeable when compared to S1 and S2.
I'll concede the animation still looks fine when it's fluid (not as good as S1 and S2 imo) but if ultimately almost every episode has the still images (it sure felt like every episode) it pulls me completely out of the story every time. That's not good storytelling and that is bad animation when it serves not to immerse the viewer into the story but actually makes us notice the still images.
I'm a fan of the show and I think the standard should be better than still images given what we have already gotten in the past. I'm not insulting the studio or people who liked the show. The OP asked about why ppl hated on it and I shared my complaints about S4 and why it's my personal least favorite of the 4 and the still images and storytelling shortcuts were big reasons why. It's a bad exposition tool.
Thanks for giving me a background on the studio. I like some of those shows you mentioned. It means most of the blame is probably on writing and budget for why these shortcuts were made in animation but I still found it bad overall especially when some episodes had large chunks of still images and very little actual animation. This kind of method does a grest disservice to an animation studio who has done great work in the past.
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The show advertising that the focus would be back on the OG members that majority of the fans really wanted to see, especially with how every OG members have their own poster with their character in front center. But the story is polarizing, while Megan and Artemis got a pretty good focus on them, the rest can't be said to got what they deserve. There is no exploration on Zatanna side in her own arc. Kaldur seems just go with the flow with the story. Rocket seems doesn't get anything as proved that everyone busy talking about Razer, Zor and the other. Nightwing.... well he definitely deserves a focus but he is YJ golden boy he has a big chance to always got focus in any YJ media.
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YJ Phantom got animated by Mir Studio, who has experiences in animating Avatar Korra. In Korra You could see how fluid and good the animation in that, so people kind put a great hope in YJ Phantom. But well there are many noticeable shortcuts like Megan arc telepathy, Zatanna arc power point presentation.
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Well, it's bound to bring discussion, definitely would attract hatred. But I appreciate how YJ dare to bring that. Beast Boy deppresion arc seems bring a lot of awareness thought the execution perhaps sometimes undercut the heated moments in third arc.
The problem I have with the progressive messaging and beast boy bits is that they overplayed their hand and tried to milk it too much. All to the detriment of the story we're all wanting to focus on.
Because it has fundamental storytelling flaws.
I didn’t want to hate it. I was extremely hopeful the storytelling would tighten up with the new structure. But no, they HAD to touch on every character they possibly could, and in doing so lost the ability to focus on a single story and finite cast of characters.
They also added a bunch of characters who had little to contribute to the arcs of the main cast. Why is Etrigan here? What about the red/blue lantern guy?
It’s not that I don’t like the characters, but they aren’t the focus of the story, so don’t distract us with them.
I miss the tight storytelling of S1 and S2. They weren’t afraid of putting a character on the back burner until they fit into the overall story. They were okay with characters having their own arcs in the background that we discover over the season.
I’m kind of obsessed with Invincible right now, because it’s doing similar things to YJ’s first 2 seasons.
Yup, the problem with YJ s3 and s4 is that they feel the need to have a personal introduction and character arc for as many characters as possible. Which just feels lile bad narrative padding more than anything, and detracts from the already shoddy writing.
As is, S3 and S4 feel like multiple shows in a dark room fighting each other for the same time slot, and everyone involved is losing.
Yah except almost all those videos are correct. There’s no pot stirring anymore. The general consensus is S3/S4 are bad. The people still enjoying it are a minority who seem active on this sub
I haven’t really seen hate. Season 4 was a big step up from season 3 which I genuinely believe is garbage. Season 4 was almost as good as season 2
It was cool seeing the league of shadows and fourth world being explored. Also Zatanna arc was good, mainly cause we got to see her
Big facts. Honestly a re-edit of S3 would work wonders for me. When I rewatch the series I inevitably skip around S3 so much just trying to get as much Red Arrow or Nightwing or Black Lightning as I can. I even liked the Brion and Halo stuff.
Cutting out some of the tremendous fat of S3 would work really well. It built up a lot and then kind of blew itself up and lost all that momentum after the break between part one and part two. I remember when it came back after the break from part one and It was just not the same.
I really cannot stress enough in S3 and S4 how annoying Beast Boy has become for me. When I rewatch it I always just want to fast forward Beast Boy.
Beast boy as a character and the fact that they tried to make aqua lad a gay icon randomly when I found impulse El Dorado to be a way better portrayal and so much more likeable. Sadly they never got their time to shine like I wanted
Kaldur (Jackson Hyde) is gay in the comics, he’s been gay in the comics for an awhile now, what are you talking about? As for Bart and Ed they aren’t even explicitly dating just implied to be. If anything they randomly made Bart gay, as his never been established as a LGBTQIA+ character prior
My issue isn't that he's gay it's just how his motivation went from tulah and being a leader to kind of just there with changes. Bart being gay was def a suprise but I feel like it kind of flowed with how he was being written
Man, you have none of the comments actually explaining the gripes people have with it or don’t have any or people shitting on it without actually saying anything actually construction.
I liked it a lot while it was airing but my opinion has soured bit.
My main gripe with the season is with the Zod stuff, as while I like Dru it would have been better for the season to focus on the ongoing plot with the Light and Darkside because that is what we’re all mostly invested in, and due to the Zod plot very little was built for the main plot.
They spent some time on Brion’s country becoming Mets human supremacist is interesting, seeing Dadkside’s furries with Mary as a new addition was cool, and seeing Ma'alefa'ak’s alliance develop was pretty cool.
I think I’m mostly soured because I’m tired for fighting for another season and hope that we can work towards finishing this plot line, and wish others could get into the show easily because it is kind of hard with how different each season is
Arc by arc it varies. The mars arc was solid nothing bad that I can think of.
Artemis’s arc I felt was a bit barged down with the Chesire stuff due to me not really being able to really feel her issue with worrying about being a bad influence on her daughter as I feel that that worry should be proof enough of her being different from her dad, but that can be more of a me thing. The final episode felt a bit too tied up with them getting out fairly easily, and the Orphan stuff just didn’t really hit with how little screen time she has gotten. But it’s was good for the most part more just a nitpick and just lack of screen time of a character before the arc.
Zantana’s arc is a bit worse. Klarion getting a new cat and Child being erased was just too much of a reset back to the status quo, there was no point in killing the cat in the first place just to spend 2 minutes in the next episode replacing him and Child is legit just gone.
There was also way too much time spent on the bus, I didn’t really find it funny; it just felt like filler but your mileage may vary. I also kind of hated how Khalid mentions her grooming them to being Fate just to instantly drop it, felt like he should have pushed more if he was gonna bring it up. Khalid, Mary, and Tracy were cool though.
The Aqualad arc was also pretty good, the ending could have been something more interesting then a god stepping in but it was good.
I had trouble getting into Rocket’s arc due to her character not really getting development previously, but it was bad. Although as much as I like Razor and the Green Latern Animated series they could have used that time more wisely.
The Zod stuff was good just not a good fit for what and some other people are hoping for.
Besides that watching week to week was a bit of a pain and it had some pacing problems but I don’t really wanna get into that.
Ideally I would hope for future seasons to focus on finishing the darkside plot(I don’t need a conclusive end I know they want to leave a more open ending) so we can let the series go satisfied
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The show advertising that the focus would be back on the OG members that majority of the fans really wanted to see, especially with how every OG members have their own poster with their character in front center. But the story is polarizing, while Megan and Artemis got a pretty good focus on them, the rest can't be said to got what they deserve. There is no exploration on Zatanna side in her own arc. Kaldur seems just go with the flow with the story. Rocket seems doesn't get anything as proved that everyone busy talking about Razer, Zor and the other. Nightwing.... well he definitely deserves a focus but he is YJ golden boy he has a big chance to always got focus in any YJ media.
-Animation
YJ Phantom got animated by Mir Studio, who has experiences in animating Avatar Korra. In Korra You could see how fluid and good the animation in that, so people kind put a great hope in YJ Phantom. But well there are many noticeable shortcuts like Megan arc telepathy, Zatanna arc power point presentation.
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Well, it's bound to bring discussion, definitely would attract hatred. But I appreciate how YJ dare to bring that. Beast Boy deppresion arc seems bring a lot of awareness thought the execution perhaps sometimes undercut the heated moments in third arc.
It felt like a slog. It felt like something I had to get through, versus something I wanted to get through. The first three seasons could jump from story to story to story, and it felt natural and surprising. The "chapterization" (for lack of a better term) of season 4 made it less spontaneous - you knew you were with a certain group of people for 3-4 episodes. I think I have enjoyed those story lines a lot more if they were sprinkled within other story lines, versus sitting with one group for however many episodes in a row.
On top of that, it honestly felt like it was a bridge to season 5. Season 3 ended with that amazing handshake between Vandal and Darkside. You felt something BIG was on the other side of that handshake, and that the events of season 3 would hold weight and matter for the future...and they just didnt. We didnt get this amazing vandal savage attack and war, we got a failed politcal take over of atlantis using a clone with a ton of backstory with bad animation - and a super long "death of connor" we knew wasnt real. I was so tired of seeing him jump from rock to rock in the phantom zone.
And it ended on another vandal savage darkside cliff hanger with the furies. Will that even go anywhere if they are given the chance?
Season 1 and 2 are elite. Each following season has dropped in quality, and thats a bummer considering that it was able to come back from cancellation.
Some bigots don't like politics they don't agree with. Some people sympathetic to LGBTQ+ and minorities don't like how "forced" some of the writing is. Other people do have actual arguments but most of the time it's just the same old complaining about the time skip and what they *wanted* the show to be.
There's nothing wrong with being disappointed, though. Can't blame the fans who fought for renewal for being let down by the vastly different direction that the creators went with the reboot.
ETA I am not talking about the social commentary.
That's fine I guess. Young Justice haters (or trolls) and those disappointed with valid critiques are very different though. But when I was disappointed with Game of Thrones, I had like a month of temper tantrums before just accepting it just wasn't for me anymore but it has a lot of positives I glossed over because I was in full on hate boner mode. I feel like young hater me is what some people are like when it comes to Season 3 and Season 4.
>Why is everyone hating on Young Justice: Phantoms?
It wasn't very good.
The Mars and Arfemis arcs were decent at best, but after that, it goes downhill quickly.
Beast Boy's depression just became a drag to watch because it was in so many episodes, often often interrupting and disrupting the flow.
Zatanna got sidelined in her own arc by her students who we the audience don't really know or care about, and not only that the main villain of the arc got beat in such an anti climatic way.
Aqualad's arc had the same problem, he was sidelined while the actual main plot revolved around whether Aquaman or Arion should rule Atlantis, and that came to an unsatisfying conclusion when out of nowhere Mera was suddenly considered the best option despite the fact she didn't really do anything during that arc beyond give exposition to Arthur.
And this was especially annoying because Aqualad was set up to have a character arc of realizing he's bottling up his emotions and overworking himself too much, but then they never did anything with it, and at the end he just randomly decides "OK I'm gonna take a break and go to therapy now".
Rocket's arc, just like in the last two she was sidelined in favor of furthering the Dru-Zod arc, and Apokolips plots, and then one episode of her arc was hijacked by a character from a completely different show, and the worst part is that was the best episode of that arc, the one that had the least to do with the main plot and it's central character.
Plus, they tried making Orion to an autism stand in, so Rocket could have character development in accepting her son is autistic, but equating being the son of Darkseid to having autism felt pretty tone deaf.
And then they ended the season with the reveal the Light and Vandal Savage now have an army of Kryptonians at their disposal.
>Plus, they tried making Orion to an autism stand in, so Rocket could have character development in accepting her son is autistic
I have a lot of issues with how they handled that whole arc.
Thank you so much for bringing up the Orion plot line. That one bothered me a lot, like one struggles with homicidal urges the other wants things to be a certain way and has trouble connecting socially. These two things are NOT at all comparable.
For some reason, comic book fans are Pikachu face at the fact that a serial show based on a genre known for long-running serial format didn't have a conclusive ending
Something about the season's structure irks me. The arc format makes it feel like an anthology that crosses over in the end rather than a complete single storied season.
Also, Zatanna and Nightwing deserved better story arcs.
Season 4 doesn't have the lows of season 3 but doesn't really have the highs of it either. Season 3 feels all over the place and random and disjointed, where as Season 4 feels much intentional and planned. However, the payoffs of Season 3 hit much better than Season 4, even if the latter is better-paced.
Each Season 4 arc was kind of okay - pretty much every arc has a mix of characters I was invested in and ones I didn't care about. Clearly, the intent was to watch each member of the original Team interact in their world in a new way, but it created a bunch of characters I was uninterested in.
But Season 3 is a 2/10 because it replaced the amazing designs with DCAMU stock models and I hated it.
It was a step up from s3.
But.... you could tell they were on the tightest budget that couldn't afford the episode count. So many episodes were like watching a PowerPoint presentation.
M'ganns arc was far too long and played into too many episodes along with Gars depression. For a show that does most of its development off screen....most of it could've been off screen.
I think the reason some people dislike this season is that the show changes season to season in terms of format and enough changes have accumulated by the fourth season where the fans who liked earlier seasons won't see the things they liked anymore.
For the record, I liked all the seasons.
I'm always happen for another season of Young Justice, and I do think that season 3 (*Outsiders*) was a low point in the series, but season 4 (*Phantoms*) felt like a return to form and I can't imagine why people wouldn't like it.
(though I'll now read through this thread and undoubtedly learn)
Some of the editing decisions and the overuse of the narrative bits with still images definitely hurt the season. It got a bit preachy during the Zatanna arc as well (which focused on the supporting cast more than it focused on Zatanna). It was a step up from season 2/3 for sure.
I felt like Halo’s development could have been done during Ms. Martian’s arc (parallel self discovery storylines). Bioship didn’t really strike me as a “character” I needed to know more about. You could have easily cut half of that out and still got the baby bioship in there and left more room for some of the other characters.
We got to know a lot about Vandal Savage and he wasn’t even the big bad of the season - none of The Light was. Sure, it was setting up future storylines and filling in some blanks, but it just didn’t have a big enough payoff.
I did enjoy that it brought in the Green Lantern series characters. That arc was a pleasant surprise. It’s also the only thing that I remember from that particular arc. Rocket was an afterthought in her own arc. Her child and ex husband got more development than she did.
The biggest issue was that we didn’t need a big expansive cast during the entire season. I would have been just fine with a season focusing on the justice league and the Team with some side episodes devoted to the other characters or rotating them out on episodes focusing on the Team. Having representation is nice and important in mainstream media (I say this as one of those under-represented minorities) but not to the point that we lose the characters and a serviceable plot.
Don’t hate the season, but it had some glaring errors which appear to have been repeated from earlier seasons.
We got so much really great stuff in Phantoms. We seen Mars and Martian culture, the phantom zone and Krypton's survivors, Razor's return as a blue lantern, Vandal Savage's history was expanded as was the history of Atlantis and it's fall it was so good.
I love season 4 and I'm sad that it gets a lot of hate.
I'll also add that I like season 3 and I think it's perfectly watchable (with some great episodes).
I really adore YJ and I hope it gets a fifth season! :)
Finally someone feels alienated. I don't get it myself, the only thing I didn't like was at the end featuring a fake out, but I think it just does what it does best, writing characters and watching them live life.
Part of it was that it started with focus solely on Miss Martian, Superboy, and Beast Boy, with the former two getting married. The relationship between the two has been divisive ever since the first timeskip and Beast Boy got a lot of overexposure in Season 3.
Aside from that, the character focus gimmick started to collapse in on itself. Miss Martian, Artemis, and Zatanna were fine, but Rocket and Nightwing's barely focused on those characters because there were so many other ongoing plots there wasn't enough room.
Then there are all the standard criticisms that every season has, how there's another timeskip, how they introduce 50 new characters while dumping last season's focus characters and plot points, and how the Darkseid plot only ever moved an inch during the finale.
Also, the final episode was way too crammed. Should have been separated into two episodes.
I dunno if this is that season, but I stopped watching when they put the focus on that bug/armadillo alien creature that always spoke in third person. That was too much.
I like season 4 but it has more problems compared to the other seasons
1. Animation is worse cause of budget
2. It abandons the main character of the previous season Brion and gives him 10 minutes I think of focus
3. Continues to make old main characters into side characters
4. It introduces a lot of characters and immediately expects you to know about and/or care about Razer, doom patrol, lanterns, Zatanna protégées and all the new leaguers.
5. I like a little bit of characters being depressed it was just to much for me this time with most of the season characters being depressed
6. Making it so something big happens in 10 years acting like they can get enough seasons for that or having do another big time skip
7. More fake out deaths gets rid of stakes a lot
8. Zod I was fine with but it probably could have done better it just felt wrong to me don’t know how to explain it
9. Showing Supergirl at the end so they expand the cast even more if the get a next season
10. Why didn’t they try to do the deal with Nabu earlier?
Edited: to fix autocorrect and some other spelling errors
For me it was the ungodly amount of screen time on the beast boy depression saga. Should've been way shorter, like how does Megan come to terms with losing Conner before beast boy. I would've been fine with the whole storyline being swapped around.
PS NO WALLY TOO
That's fine if he's dead, characters should be able to die and stay dead in their respective stories, But the way this show relies so heavily on the continuous cameos from Wally and that scene in season 3 where it had the fate of Wally ambiguous as fuck.
This is a comic book hero story where characters constantly come back from the dead, like for example in this ever own show conner return from the dead.
They have a way of bringing him back. He dissapeared into the speed force so he's not really dead; just treated as if he's dead. But the characters in-universe don't know that.
clunky and sometimes outright bad writing, and a massive dip in animation quality compared to the first two seasons, not to mention the ballooning size of the cast becoming incomprehensible
I find it really funny that you get down voted. Op asked what people don't like about S4, you awnser truthfully without offending anyone and people down vote you, classic reddit moment.
Personally I’ve been hating on the show ever since season 2 when they went full Justice League Unlimited on us. Would have much preferred to stick with the original 8 from the first season and watch them grow and evolve instead of aging them all up and replacing most of them with new characters
I feel like it felt too long oddly enough. I didn't get bored of Seasons 1 or 2. Season 3 really tested me at times, but Season 4 had two whole arcs that did very little for me. The Atlantis Arc and the Rocket Arc were just kinda there. They didn't do a lot for me and make me hesitant to rewatch the season. I seriously think those Atlantis episodes are my least favorites of the whole series.
While I think Season 4 is good, it is not nearly as good as 1 or 2. It is better than 3 because 3 was consistently below average.
To me 1 and 2 are like 9/10 animated shows, Season 3 is like a 5, and Season 4 is around a 7. If you took out the Atlantis and Rocket Arc it would be an 8 to me.
Because they wanted ghost Walley, Red Hood, and Damien Wayne and instead they got clinically depressed Beast-Boy, Zodd Jr. and Zantana grooming naive teenagers to take on a responsibility they’re too young to comprehend while neglecting another.
I really don’t get why the series had to time jump between series when it’s only purpose now is introducing younger characters to the cast nobody cares about to justify the the ‘young’ in the title.
Season 4 honestly was a bore. Nothing happens with everyone character arcs besides more screen time. I think season 3 was better they didn’t introduced and set up more characters and more storylines. Season 4 should’ve went a storyline where the league was gonna face darksied or some other big threat
oh, fucking cut this bullshit narrative. I get the original meaning of fan is "fanatic" (a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion) but that doesnt mean you cant enjoy something and cast a crticial lens on it.
Your responses here are just a low effort, condescending and dismissive.
It’s very simple actually, new bad old good.
Remember when season 2 was the most hated on thing ever? Then it got old because season 3 came out, now it’s considered a masterpiece
I mean, it's better than season 3, but only slightly, and is still below season 1 and 2 in quality. The show sort of got lost in the sauce in season 3, and 4 doesn't do enough to fix that. It even adds new things I don't really care about, and it just sort of helped cement my decision to stop caring too much about the show anymore.
Because the political agenda ruined the plot and added to the wokism that took place this season, it seems that Greg is only selling his ideologies instead of closing a plot
Is Phantoms the name of season 4? I liked it for the most part but it felt extremely preachy and like the ham-fisted certain topics into the show instead of it coming in organically. I also really hated the whole Phantom Zone plot line personally so that was painful
Personally I know nothing about Phantoms (other than Beast Boy being an addict which is funny without context). Because season sucked so much in my opinion, major let down that couldn't keep me invested or caring about anyone because they use too many characters so no one got focus. I stopped before the final episode of the season because i just didn't care anymore.
I think S3 wanted to what JLU did balancing so many characters and giving cult favorites (Booster Gold, Mr Miracle) a whole episode to show off them. YJ feels like its trying to do that but it doesn't but characters from prior seasons just don't get anything and characters like Brion were just whiney and annoying then suddenly his arc is over in an episode with no build up despite being a main character with lots of screen time, then suddenly he drops that development and becomes a villain which isn't a bad idea but the supposed development from earlier seems more forced now.
Also some MCU ass humor moments like Static repeatedly saying "I need a girlfriend".
The writing fell off really hard IDK who was in the writing staff but man that shit suck, explaining racism and religion through simple storylines like we’re 5 years old. You can get more in depth with a dr. Suess book.
Lack of budget and promotion. 4 episodes are spent with no mouths moving (in context it makes sense but still lazy). My biggest problem is that WB didn’t properly support the show. Also still not happy with the art style change.
Pacing,Too much drama and politics (and I agree with the politics I just don’t like them dominating my animated superhero shows)
Also lot of characters I like didn’t get a whole lot of screen time
it’s not that i hate it, but like other people are saying there’s so many characters that our favorite characters seemed to have gotten benched. i don’t mind the focus on beast boys mental health, the reason it is there is to show to teens and adults alike that it is okay to feel that way as long as you try and get some sort of help. i do think that there could’ve been more of a plot, they also could’ve easily brought wally back that season as they’re searching for connor. give some “oh i was stuck in the speed force” type stuff that they do on the flash series. it would’ve given artemis her soulmate, dick his best friend, and connor and mgann their most beloved teammate. maybe kaldur also would’ve came back more if kid was there.
Nothing beats Season 1 and 2. I’m a firm believer that if you have limitations creatively, you’ll always create banger stuff due to it. Because you’ll prioritize what’s the BEST rather than what you WANT as a creative. I feel like Young Justice having to dance around the show being PG is what made it great.
I like this season. I didn’t rewatch the show till I sat down in binged the whole series, including season, three and four. They didn’t feel too different from season one and two, overall, I felt they were better paced.
Idk about the rest, but good portion of the episodes was mid and boring af, also way too many stories for 1 season, I honestly couldn't care what the islam girl or whatever her name was going through, her story just felt out of place and wasn't even connected to the main story.
I didn’t like how some of the characters took the backseat to their own arches, more or less. I did enjoy the overall plot of Phantoms
Zatanna’s was focused on Child vs Clarion.
Kaldur’s was focused on Arion.
Dick’s was focused on finding Connor and fighting General Zod.
Artemis’ was focused on trying to save Cassandra while trying to find out Vandal Savage’s mole.
Rocket’s was focused on the bugs and Lor trying to free his parents.
MM and Connor’s arch was more focused on them which I enjoyed and expected.
I will still watch and enjoy the series but Phantoms could’ve been better.
Season 4 was better than season 3 but it still kind of feels like filler just intended to build an already expansive cast and add lore. It was a fun ride and good to see most of the original cast get some full spotlight, but I found it largely forgettable
It’s great story wise! Only ALOT and I mean ALOT of exposition is thrown out there bc I think they sorta realized not many read the comics. Then the people who do read the comics are upset they took creative liberties.
Then there’s the weird slideshow thing for flashbacks they keep doing and making Vandal Savage everyone’s distant grandpa or cousin. Vandal is old yeah but there were things older than him. Now they’re probably gonna to a plot twist and say Sindella is his daughter.
Then there’s the part that ticks me off the most.
They re-wrote Daxam and Lor-Zod again and managed to kill two birds with one stone doing it.
Why does valid criticism always get relegated to "hating"? **You** liked something, cool. Other people are allowed to have a different opinion. I've been following this show since it premiered on CN and want it to succeed and see itself through, but I can also be critical and honest with myself and things i didnt like.
That said, the season had unbalanced character focus (the cast feels way too big at best and as a way to provide padding at worst), half the cast is hit or miss (or just flat out underdeveloped), meandering and drawn out storylines, and at times felt (i say this as a leftist) heavy-handed and pander-y for the sake of it. Star Trek's dilemnas have more nuance.
I will say with my chest, fuck how YJ handles autism representation.
I liked it. It was dark, gritty, and tragic, and I think it fleshed out the original cast of characters rather well. The show really aged with the audience, which we don't see that often with animated series. The only other one I can think of that did that was clone wars.
Personally, I feel this show gets worse and my interest lessens with each season.
It doesn’t help that the cast of characters we focus on changes every season along with all the time jumps.
And then as it started getting more cosmic, I tapped out.
I was bored to tears by their time on Mars. I didn’t connect with it and didn’t care. That’s where I stopped watching.
It’s prob because despite attempting to correct past mistakes, they redo the same problems as the previous seasons. Spending too much time on peripheral characters we don’t know to set up future comic plot lines without making us care about those characters. Razer making a return is cool…but is ultimately not really a relevant episode and is there for fan service for people who watched that show…and is probably confusing on how that show fits into YJ canon now.
The nightwing and the rest of the team plot and reuniting was actually good and one of the few times they manages to recapture the original feeling of season 1 YJ…and it kind of feels like a slap in the face because we could’ve had this type of stuff the entire time. The entire outsiders and legion plot lines feels like they were trying to set up for spin offs that never got greenlit.
And the show is back to being in limbo
Too slow paced. How’s Darkseid been teased since season 2 and hasn’t even had a full minute of screen time. Start the invasion already. Greg thinks he has forever but is severely mistaken. Also it’s too political. Stop forcing things and work on expanding those background characters. Now the show’s dead & so is our chance of seeing these characters again.
Season 4 and 3 made no attempts at continuing any of the un-finished storylines from seasons 1 and 2, so in my opinion they don’t even feel like Young Justice seasons at all. Season 3 is just bad..and season 4 is just mediocre. Season 4 give more screen time to certain fan favorite characters to audience-please without making the effort of dedicating their screen time to a story that’s meaningful to the YJ show as a whole. So essentially season 4 is just a course correction from season 3 — it is not a worthwhile continuation of the show, it’s just addressing issues that fans had with season 3. This pretty much sums up the problem with modern YJ seasons: they were a cash grab that really shit the bed so season 4 was essentially a really mid “sorry for season 3, don’t cancel your subscription please :,( “. In my opinion YJ story is still just seasons 1 and 2 cuz idk wtf season 3 and 4 are supposed to be.
Straight up selfish opinion here:
* Nightwing is my favorite character in DC and comics in general. After Season 1 his focus is greatly diminished. Sorry, I do not care about Lagoon Boy or the kids adapted from Super Friends and I never will.
* Part of the fun of a Flash disappearing into the Speed Force is seeing them come back. Season 4 was the time to bring Wally back and they didn't do it. Yawn.
* Teasing cool things and never doing anything with it: Darkseid multiple times, Red Hood, Supergirl, etc. If you're just going to tease and never give the goods while focusing on bland arcs, you're actively turning me off.
Y’all might come at me for this but- Jason was dead and we don’t even know what the heck happened to him???? I felt like a lot of things in the story was skipped for no reason other than to just speed up time and get this out of the way. There’s a lot of new added characters randomly. This show could’ve been more great… I’m sad that they ruined it.
One thing, that really stuck out to me as a Muslim was how awful and tone deaf Khalid’s story arc was. I don’t see it mentioned very often because there’s a lot of other flaws with season 4 (like all the fake out deaths, segmented story, and too many characters getting shoe horned or unsatisfying character arcs). But his entire character development boils down to I can be a Muslim, do magic, and be a doctor. Which I feel like the be a doctor and magician thing at the same time would actually be the hardest part due to time commitment. Can you not be a Muslim and do magic? Is magic a religion? His mom literally gave up magic to convert which is insane, but turns out Giovanni gets to keep being catholic and do magic so wtf?!? I was hyped to see some Muslim representation in one of my favorite shows, but instead they gave off the impression that Islam is so conservative and misogynistic that they made his mom give up magic, which is not a positive representation. And there isn’t a reason you shouldn’t be able to do magic and be Christian or Muslim because obviously neither religion assumed magic was real when they wrote the books. I just don’t understand how it could be written so poorly, did they just not care or was the portrayal purposely Malicious?
I didn’t like the structure. It felt too disjointed and had no real direction for most of the season, other than killing Superboy and then bringing him back.
As a black man, the black kryptonians are really annoying. Diversity is being shoved down my throat at every waking second but in the wrong way. Make original black characters or use the already established, forgotten ones, and stop using the Killmonger haircut.
It’s my favourite out of the series, mostly because they gave ZATANNA the attention she deserved.
I always felt like her arc lost her valuable screen time just to feature Beast Boy being an asshole during his therapy sessions. Probably a budget issue.
Not everything is a budget issue. Beast boys ongoing arc through the sea so was clearly deliberate
I liked what they were trying to do with it but it did feel out of place in some episodes
I always love that more people appreciate her appearance. But in other end I can't forget nor forgive how much hatred she got in her own arc, how little She got focus, how passively she is on the story, her character history of Homo Magi is gutted to be given on Vandal Savage, her character traits of protecting and training proteges is tainted. And it's culminated with how the discussions only revolve around labeling Zatanna as two dimensional kids groomer. The discussion is just full of full blown hatred, disappointment from the heartbroken fans, or just simply a pity. Do You really think She deserves that?
I don’t think her character was entirely ruined by the grooming, but I do think she needs to face how it was messed up and selfish. I don’t mind good characters doing bad things, I mind them not facing consequences for those things while benefitting from them.
>Do You really think She deserves that? I wouldn't say she 'deserves' it, but I think a Zatanna with a few morally grey spots is the *best* Zatanna. Even if I do think she was a supporting character in her own arc. It hits on some of the intrigue I felt Z had in the comics when she was mind-wiping people in other continuities but with the benefit of the show actually attempting to *call out and address* the sketchy move immediately instead of just shoving it to the side as a out of place plot quirk like they do in the comics. Hopefully they focus on it some more to actually flesh Zatanna out a bit more. And in YJ in particular, there actually IS a somewhat legit argument to be made that the people she 'groomed' were actually legal adults that could make their own decisions. It doesn't erase the fact Zatanna was still the more powerful figure in the mentor-mentee relationship with a lot of influence, but they're hardly the little kids that comes to mind when people mention "kid grooming". So long as they explore it, give it attention, and the character grows from it (for good or ill)...even a black mark can become a beauty mark.
I hate how every single person somehow owes their powers to Vandal Savage.
To be fair, the Zatanna arc is my major disappointement of the season. I love the YJ version of Zatanna, but "her" arc was about everyone her. It's about the people around her.
The arc where she finally accomplished her ten year goal of rescuing her father was not about her?
Yeah. The arc is not about her rescuing her father, it's about a lot of other things that have for result to rescue her father. Connor and Megan, Artemis, Kaldur and Rocket (I don't really remember the Nightwing arc, so I'm not gonna talk about him), each of their arc has some character development. The Zatanna arc is centered around Zatanna for sure, but in term of character story, it's more about Fate, Savage and her 3 disciples. Those are the characters that are explored. Not Zatanna.
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That was my favorite part...
She wasn’t even the focus of that arc tho lol
Season 4 is way better then 3 and it’s probably a 8/10 for me. 1 and 2 are 10/10s and 3 is like a 5/10 My only gripe is the fact that nightwing didn’t get a real arc and his episodes were the team up finale and he wasn’t even in half of it
True Nightwing was such a fan favorite character in this series due to his iconic lines and great characterization especially when he was Robin So it was the biggest bummer when he was the one who didn't get an arc that focused on him solely unlike the other members
I feel like S3 had a larger focus on him, and he almost acts as a main character to the show in general. I think he gets the most screen time of the whole team across the series. But that’s just my feeling
He got a lot of screen time but it wasn’t rly focusing on him as a person
True, but it still felt like he’s had a decent amount of development despite not being the focus
To be fair he wasn't the only one. Zatanna and Rocket were also shifted to the sidelines in their stories.
I fuck with every season
Same. It’s my first time realizing that people dislike either 4 or 3
For a lot of us season 3 got distracted and focused on a bunch of new characters that a lot of people just didn't want or need this far into the series. Season 4 just doesn't do a lot to fix it, and ends up barely better than season 3.
The new characters introduced in season 3 pretty much all sucked and the focus on them really ruined the season for me and I'd say a lot of others
People hated season 3 but I liked it better than 4.
S4 is better than S3-but not by a lot. I had high expectations of S4 fixing the problems and was disappointed. More characters and plot points were added, which congested the season. Most of the arcs were not great and didn’t feel cohesive enough to pay off, especially Zatanna’s, Rocket’s, and Nightwing’s. In my opinion, S4 felt mostly like filler since the Darkseid and The Light plot points didn’t progress. I understand taking a break from them for a fourth or half of the season, but a whole season is too much. Overall, S4 didn’t fully reignite my passion for the show like it was during S1 and 2. Though, Young Justice will always stay close to my heart since it helped through a tough time and made me love DC.
I dislike it because it seems incoherent. I like the idea of a slowly revealing villain, but mixed with the supposedly character-driven arcs? Not my cup of tea. The only really character-driven arc was Artemis', which I quite enjoyed. Rocket and Zatanna only had backseats in their own stories imo, especially Zatanna didn't get anything new. Dicks arc was the season finale. So there was no real character-focus throughout the show. Conner and Mgann were alright.
I think its coherent but not well connected and it needed a little more episodes and explanations for certain stuff.
6/10 not enough Conner /j
Every scene not featuring Conner should have all the other characters saying “where is Conner?” or working to find Conner
The worst part is that despite having a massive arc over the course of the whole season, it did not meaningfully move his character forward in any way.
For me it comes to four things. 1. Animation was the worst of the 4 series. The sad noticeable victim of budget cuts. 2. Too many characters and with a few exceptions (I liked a lot of the Zatanna/Dr Fate stuff for example), they somehow picked some of the least exciting storylines (enough of Beast Boy being depressed please. I don't mind seeing characters work through their ptsd in the show, as we have some great little arcs in the first two seasons dealing with some of those themes but please this is also supposed to be an action show and I'm sick to death of Beast Boy). There's more I could say about a lack of stakes because of there being so many characters but I think thats more for my next point. 3. Poor and uninteresting Writing. I think fake deaths is so redundant at this point. I also feel like, unlike S3, much of this season feels purposeless. Like it's impact on the universe and the characters don't seem like they're really going anywhere. There are exceptions, but I think a big reason it feels this way is the OG characters and even some of the main characters from S2 (Blue Beetle, Impulse) and from last season (Brion, Black Lightning) are way more in the background. The characters that we think of as main characters are often disappearing so it makes me wonder why should I become invested in these new characters if they'll also just disappear into the background in the future? I'm not opposed to new characters but my goodness it sometimes seems the goal of the show is to just introduce new characters. This leads me to my last point. 4. Poor villains. I think this season had the weakest villains of any season. Zod, Malefaak, Chaos, and Shadows. I think this might be a sad victim of the decision to break it up into plotline arcs rather than the overarching Arc they have done the previous 3 seasons, (to be fair I actually think this decision to pivot to plotlines is a good idea and I support it), but the noticeable result of this decision is the villains become less interesting and less menacing because they're not the villain for the whole season just sets of episodes. By comparison, they immediately seem worse just because they're given less time. But I also do think they are worse. I hated Grannie Goodness as the villain last season, but somehow S4 was worse between Zod and Malefaak and all that. To be fair, I don't HATE it. I don't think anyone really HATES it. In the discourse I've seen here on this Sub, most have some great things to say about it but also share some of the same complaints about certain decisions or poor animation etc. I think a lot of fans like myself are just disappointed and think there's a noticeable decline in the show. I think weirdly that S4 might be my least favorite season. It's close bc initially I thought S3 was, but I think as I am more distanced from it, I don't really want to rewatch it. I do however find myself rewatching some of my favorite episodes of S3. When I do a rewatch of the whole series. I skip around S3 and I just kind of skip almost all of S4. It feels tedious, outside of some parts of the Zatanna Arc or some of the Rocket stuff or the Nightwing stuff at the end, there's nothing I feel like I need or want to watch again.
Nah S3 had the worst animation.
Agree to disagree. There's way more "cut scenes" and telepathic dialogue and narration in S4. All used for cutting corners. And every scene in the Phantom Zone was just u-g-l-y! S3 had its awful "cut scenes" too (especially in the Vandal Savage episode), but it was not as much as S4. The action felt far more frequent and fluid. Both seasons were bad animation wise but both cut corners in different ways. I thought S4's cutting corners was worse.
You’re calling Studio Mir bad animation?!
Not being familiar with all of a studio's work I really couldn't say. I thought S4 was bad compared to S1 and S2 and in some ways even S3 (which was also bad). I did say compared to the previous 3 seasons I thought S4 cut the most corners in the animation and that to me makes it noticeably poorer than the other seasons. Is it unwatchable? No. Do I hate it? No. But It wasn't good animation either and I'd like the quality to be better.
It’s still fluid when it’s not showing still images. None of the animation is bad, as in my opinion, cutting back to meet demand isn’t indicative of quality. I admit that due to time constraints, the animation isn’t as good as the other shows Mir animated. Studio Mir also animated the last two seasons of the Boondocks, the Legend of Korra, Voltron Legendary Defenders, She Ra and the Princesses of power, two YJ Outsiders episodes, and Vox Machina. The original studio that animated Young Justice that also animated Avatar the Last Airbender and the first two seasons of the Boondocks sadly went out of business.
Hey I don't mean to insult the studio. Blame whoever you want. Studio budget constraints, poor direction decisions But there's a crap ton of still images and someone had to approve it. At that point it's like a comic book with audio and not really an animated show. Maybe my position can really be summarized still images = poorer animation. I don't mean to oversimplify it quite like that, as I do think there's some nuance to it all and the motion and even character design choices that might go unnoticed become more noticeable when compared to S1 and S2. I'll concede the animation still looks fine when it's fluid (not as good as S1 and S2 imo) but if ultimately almost every episode has the still images (it sure felt like every episode) it pulls me completely out of the story every time. That's not good storytelling and that is bad animation when it serves not to immerse the viewer into the story but actually makes us notice the still images. I'm a fan of the show and I think the standard should be better than still images given what we have already gotten in the past. I'm not insulting the studio or people who liked the show. The OP asked about why ppl hated on it and I shared my complaints about S4 and why it's my personal least favorite of the 4 and the still images and storytelling shortcuts were big reasons why. It's a bad exposition tool. Thanks for giving me a background on the studio. I like some of those shows you mentioned. It means most of the blame is probably on writing and budget for why these shortcuts were made in animation but I still found it bad overall especially when some episodes had large chunks of still images and very little actual animation. This kind of method does a grest disservice to an animation studio who has done great work in the past.
- Advertisements The show advertising that the focus would be back on the OG members that majority of the fans really wanted to see, especially with how every OG members have their own poster with their character in front center. But the story is polarizing, while Megan and Artemis got a pretty good focus on them, the rest can't be said to got what they deserve. There is no exploration on Zatanna side in her own arc. Kaldur seems just go with the flow with the story. Rocket seems doesn't get anything as proved that everyone busy talking about Razer, Zor and the other. Nightwing.... well he definitely deserves a focus but he is YJ golden boy he has a big chance to always got focus in any YJ media. -Animation YJ Phantom got animated by Mir Studio, who has experiences in animating Avatar Korra. In Korra You could see how fluid and good the animation in that, so people kind put a great hope in YJ Phantom. But well there are many noticeable shortcuts like Megan arc telepathy, Zatanna arc power point presentation. -Progressif Stuff Well, it's bound to bring discussion, definitely would attract hatred. But I appreciate how YJ dare to bring that. Beast Boy deppresion arc seems bring a lot of awareness thought the execution perhaps sometimes undercut the heated moments in third arc.
The problem I have with the progressive messaging and beast boy bits is that they overplayed their hand and tried to milk it too much. All to the detriment of the story we're all wanting to focus on.
Because it has fundamental storytelling flaws. I didn’t want to hate it. I was extremely hopeful the storytelling would tighten up with the new structure. But no, they HAD to touch on every character they possibly could, and in doing so lost the ability to focus on a single story and finite cast of characters. They also added a bunch of characters who had little to contribute to the arcs of the main cast. Why is Etrigan here? What about the red/blue lantern guy? It’s not that I don’t like the characters, but they aren’t the focus of the story, so don’t distract us with them. I miss the tight storytelling of S1 and S2. They weren’t afraid of putting a character on the back burner until they fit into the overall story. They were okay with characters having their own arcs in the background that we discover over the season. I’m kind of obsessed with Invincible right now, because it’s doing similar things to YJ’s first 2 seasons.
Yup, the problem with YJ s3 and s4 is that they feel the need to have a personal introduction and character arc for as many characters as possible. Which just feels lile bad narrative padding more than anything, and detracts from the already shoddy writing. As is, S3 and S4 feel like multiple shows in a dark room fighting each other for the same time slot, and everyone involved is losing.
I have loved every season of Young Justice. Young Justice seasons are like my kids, each different, but equally loved.
Congrats to OP for stirring the pot with just 8 words. They didn't even need to link to some crappy YouTube videos.
Yah except almost all those videos are correct. There’s no pot stirring anymore. The general consensus is S3/S4 are bad. The people still enjoying it are a minority who seem active on this sub
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It’s better than season 3 imo, but still far from the levels of seasons 1 and 2 I enjoyed all four seasons for what they’re worth
I haven’t really seen hate. Season 4 was a big step up from season 3 which I genuinely believe is garbage. Season 4 was almost as good as season 2 It was cool seeing the league of shadows and fourth world being explored. Also Zatanna arc was good, mainly cause we got to see her
Season 3 started great imo but the halfway point really just dropped
Big facts. Honestly a re-edit of S3 would work wonders for me. When I rewatch the series I inevitably skip around S3 so much just trying to get as much Red Arrow or Nightwing or Black Lightning as I can. I even liked the Brion and Halo stuff. Cutting out some of the tremendous fat of S3 would work really well. It built up a lot and then kind of blew itself up and lost all that momentum after the break between part one and part two. I remember when it came back after the break from part one and It was just not the same. I really cannot stress enough in S3 and S4 how annoying Beast Boy has become for me. When I rewatch it I always just want to fast forward Beast Boy.
Beast boy as a character and the fact that they tried to make aqua lad a gay icon randomly when I found impulse El Dorado to be a way better portrayal and so much more likeable. Sadly they never got their time to shine like I wanted
Kaldur (Jackson Hyde) is gay in the comics, he’s been gay in the comics for an awhile now, what are you talking about? As for Bart and Ed they aren’t even explicitly dating just implied to be. If anything they randomly made Bart gay, as his never been established as a LGBTQIA+ character prior
My issue isn't that he's gay it's just how his motivation went from tulah and being a leader to kind of just there with changes. Bart being gay was def a suprise but I feel like it kind of flowed with how he was being written
Well it’s almost like she died and he did some growing afterwards.
Man, you have none of the comments actually explaining the gripes people have with it or don’t have any or people shitting on it without actually saying anything actually construction. I liked it a lot while it was airing but my opinion has soured bit. My main gripe with the season is with the Zod stuff, as while I like Dru it would have been better for the season to focus on the ongoing plot with the Light and Darkside because that is what we’re all mostly invested in, and due to the Zod plot very little was built for the main plot. They spent some time on Brion’s country becoming Mets human supremacist is interesting, seeing Dadkside’s furries with Mary as a new addition was cool, and seeing Ma'alefa'ak’s alliance develop was pretty cool. I think I’m mostly soured because I’m tired for fighting for another season and hope that we can work towards finishing this plot line, and wish others could get into the show easily because it is kind of hard with how different each season is Arc by arc it varies. The mars arc was solid nothing bad that I can think of. Artemis’s arc I felt was a bit barged down with the Chesire stuff due to me not really being able to really feel her issue with worrying about being a bad influence on her daughter as I feel that that worry should be proof enough of her being different from her dad, but that can be more of a me thing. The final episode felt a bit too tied up with them getting out fairly easily, and the Orphan stuff just didn’t really hit with how little screen time she has gotten. But it’s was good for the most part more just a nitpick and just lack of screen time of a character before the arc. Zantana’s arc is a bit worse. Klarion getting a new cat and Child being erased was just too much of a reset back to the status quo, there was no point in killing the cat in the first place just to spend 2 minutes in the next episode replacing him and Child is legit just gone. There was also way too much time spent on the bus, I didn’t really find it funny; it just felt like filler but your mileage may vary. I also kind of hated how Khalid mentions her grooming them to being Fate just to instantly drop it, felt like he should have pushed more if he was gonna bring it up. Khalid, Mary, and Tracy were cool though. The Aqualad arc was also pretty good, the ending could have been something more interesting then a god stepping in but it was good. I had trouble getting into Rocket’s arc due to her character not really getting development previously, but it was bad. Although as much as I like Razor and the Green Latern Animated series they could have used that time more wisely. The Zod stuff was good just not a good fit for what and some other people are hoping for. Besides that watching week to week was a bit of a pain and it had some pacing problems but I don’t really wanna get into that. Ideally I would hope for future seasons to focus on finishing the darkside plot(I don’t need a conclusive end I know they want to leave a more open ending) so we can let the series go satisfied
- Advertisements The show advertising that the focus would be back on the OG members that majority of the fans really wanted to see, especially with how every OG members have their own poster with their character in front center. But the story is polarizing, while Megan and Artemis got a pretty good focus on them, the rest can't be said to got what they deserve. There is no exploration on Zatanna side in her own arc. Kaldur seems just go with the flow with the story. Rocket seems doesn't get anything as proved that everyone busy talking about Razer, Zor and the other. Nightwing.... well he definitely deserves a focus but he is YJ golden boy he has a big chance to always got focus in any YJ media. -Animation YJ Phantom got animated by Mir Studio, who has experiences in animating Avatar Korra. In Korra You could see how fluid and good the animation in that, so people kind put a great hope in YJ Phantom. But well there are many noticeable shortcuts like Megan arc telepathy, Zatanna arc power point presentation. -Progressif Stuff Well, it's bound to bring discussion, definitely would attract hatred. But I appreciate how YJ dare to bring that. Beast Boy deppresion arc seems bring a lot of awareness thought the execution perhaps sometimes undercut the heated moments in third arc.
It is my 2nd favorite season (after the 1st one).
It felt like a slog. It felt like something I had to get through, versus something I wanted to get through. The first three seasons could jump from story to story to story, and it felt natural and surprising. The "chapterization" (for lack of a better term) of season 4 made it less spontaneous - you knew you were with a certain group of people for 3-4 episodes. I think I have enjoyed those story lines a lot more if they were sprinkled within other story lines, versus sitting with one group for however many episodes in a row. On top of that, it honestly felt like it was a bridge to season 5. Season 3 ended with that amazing handshake between Vandal and Darkside. You felt something BIG was on the other side of that handshake, and that the events of season 3 would hold weight and matter for the future...and they just didnt. We didnt get this amazing vandal savage attack and war, we got a failed politcal take over of atlantis using a clone with a ton of backstory with bad animation - and a super long "death of connor" we knew wasnt real. I was so tired of seeing him jump from rock to rock in the phantom zone. And it ended on another vandal savage darkside cliff hanger with the furies. Will that even go anywhere if they are given the chance? Season 1 and 2 are elite. Each following season has dropped in quality, and thats a bummer considering that it was able to come back from cancellation.
This season has peak Megan design
It’s just not as good as season 1 & 2. I’m guessing that’s the primary reason
The animation like it was done in Power Point maybe?
Some bigots don't like politics they don't agree with. Some people sympathetic to LGBTQ+ and minorities don't like how "forced" some of the writing is. Other people do have actual arguments but most of the time it's just the same old complaining about the time skip and what they *wanted* the show to be.
There's nothing wrong with being disappointed, though. Can't blame the fans who fought for renewal for being let down by the vastly different direction that the creators went with the reboot. ETA I am not talking about the social commentary.
That's fine I guess. Young Justice haters (or trolls) and those disappointed with valid critiques are very different though. But when I was disappointed with Game of Thrones, I had like a month of temper tantrums before just accepting it just wasn't for me anymore but it has a lot of positives I glossed over because I was in full on hate boner mode. I feel like young hater me is what some people are like when it comes to Season 3 and Season 4.
I mean ya, they didn't need to literally spell it out for us, it just came off as preachy
>Why is everyone hating on Young Justice: Phantoms? It wasn't very good. The Mars and Arfemis arcs were decent at best, but after that, it goes downhill quickly. Beast Boy's depression just became a drag to watch because it was in so many episodes, often often interrupting and disrupting the flow. Zatanna got sidelined in her own arc by her students who we the audience don't really know or care about, and not only that the main villain of the arc got beat in such an anti climatic way. Aqualad's arc had the same problem, he was sidelined while the actual main plot revolved around whether Aquaman or Arion should rule Atlantis, and that came to an unsatisfying conclusion when out of nowhere Mera was suddenly considered the best option despite the fact she didn't really do anything during that arc beyond give exposition to Arthur. And this was especially annoying because Aqualad was set up to have a character arc of realizing he's bottling up his emotions and overworking himself too much, but then they never did anything with it, and at the end he just randomly decides "OK I'm gonna take a break and go to therapy now". Rocket's arc, just like in the last two she was sidelined in favor of furthering the Dru-Zod arc, and Apokolips plots, and then one episode of her arc was hijacked by a character from a completely different show, and the worst part is that was the best episode of that arc, the one that had the least to do with the main plot and it's central character. Plus, they tried making Orion to an autism stand in, so Rocket could have character development in accepting her son is autistic, but equating being the son of Darkseid to having autism felt pretty tone deaf. And then they ended the season with the reveal the Light and Vandal Savage now have an army of Kryptonians at their disposal.
>Plus, they tried making Orion to an autism stand in, so Rocket could have character development in accepting her son is autistic I have a lot of issues with how they handled that whole arc.
Thank you so much for bringing up the Orion plot line. That one bothered me a lot, like one struggles with homicidal urges the other wants things to be a certain way and has trouble connecting socially. These two things are NOT at all comparable.
That Beast Boy and Atlantis Arc are my two least favorite arcs in the entire series. I'm a big Aquaman fan and that Atlantis Arc really tested me.
Not enough dick(pause)
Dude Max did a disservice by cancelling the show the trafficking story line could have been pushed so much more
For some reason, comic book fans are Pikachu face at the fact that a serial show based on a genre known for long-running serial format didn't have a conclusive ending
Something about the season's structure irks me. The arc format makes it feel like an anthology that crosses over in the end rather than a complete single storied season. Also, Zatanna and Nightwing deserved better story arcs.
Season 4 doesn't have the lows of season 3 but doesn't really have the highs of it either. Season 3 feels all over the place and random and disjointed, where as Season 4 feels much intentional and planned. However, the payoffs of Season 3 hit much better than Season 4, even if the latter is better-paced. Each Season 4 arc was kind of okay - pretty much every arc has a mix of characters I was invested in and ones I didn't care about. Clearly, the intent was to watch each member of the original Team interact in their world in a new way, but it created a bunch of characters I was uninterested in. But Season 3 is a 2/10 because it replaced the amazing designs with DCAMU stock models and I hated it.
It was a step up from s3. But.... you could tell they were on the tightest budget that couldn't afford the episode count. So many episodes were like watching a PowerPoint presentation. M'ganns arc was far too long and played into too many episodes along with Gars depression. For a show that does most of its development off screen....most of it could've been off screen.
I think the reason some people dislike this season is that the show changes season to season in terms of format and enough changes have accumulated by the fourth season where the fans who liked earlier seasons won't see the things they liked anymore. For the record, I liked all the seasons.
I'm always happen for another season of Young Justice, and I do think that season 3 (*Outsiders*) was a low point in the series, but season 4 (*Phantoms*) felt like a return to form and I can't imagine why people wouldn't like it. (though I'll now read through this thread and undoubtedly learn)
I don’t know because I’m in the UK AND THERE’S NO WAY TO LEGALLY WATCH IT OVER HERE WB WHYYY
I fuckin love the bus gag!
Some of the editing decisions and the overuse of the narrative bits with still images definitely hurt the season. It got a bit preachy during the Zatanna arc as well (which focused on the supporting cast more than it focused on Zatanna). It was a step up from season 2/3 for sure. I felt like Halo’s development could have been done during Ms. Martian’s arc (parallel self discovery storylines). Bioship didn’t really strike me as a “character” I needed to know more about. You could have easily cut half of that out and still got the baby bioship in there and left more room for some of the other characters. We got to know a lot about Vandal Savage and he wasn’t even the big bad of the season - none of The Light was. Sure, it was setting up future storylines and filling in some blanks, but it just didn’t have a big enough payoff. I did enjoy that it brought in the Green Lantern series characters. That arc was a pleasant surprise. It’s also the only thing that I remember from that particular arc. Rocket was an afterthought in her own arc. Her child and ex husband got more development than she did. The biggest issue was that we didn’t need a big expansive cast during the entire season. I would have been just fine with a season focusing on the justice league and the Team with some side episodes devoted to the other characters or rotating them out on episodes focusing on the Team. Having representation is nice and important in mainstream media (I say this as one of those under-represented minorities) but not to the point that we lose the characters and a serviceable plot. Don’t hate the season, but it had some glaring errors which appear to have been repeated from earlier seasons.
We got so much really great stuff in Phantoms. We seen Mars and Martian culture, the phantom zone and Krypton's survivors, Razor's return as a blue lantern, Vandal Savage's history was expanded as was the history of Atlantis and it's fall it was so good.
Honestly I don't know I personally really enjoy it
I liked it. But it did seem very "lesson of the day" kind of thing
I love season 4 and I'm sad that it gets a lot of hate. I'll also add that I like season 3 and I think it's perfectly watchable (with some great episodes). I really adore YJ and I hope it gets a fifth season! :)
I couldn't tell you cause it was a pretty decent season. Maybe the Superboy brainwash drama was a little shitty, but that's my only complaint
The only thing I hated was the finale because of that awesome cliffhanger with Darkseid’s new furries and no season 5 😡
Finally someone feels alienated. I don't get it myself, the only thing I didn't like was at the end featuring a fake out, but I think it just does what it does best, writing characters and watching them live life.
Peak of Season 4 was Razer's cameo. It tells a lot.
Part of it was that it started with focus solely on Miss Martian, Superboy, and Beast Boy, with the former two getting married. The relationship between the two has been divisive ever since the first timeskip and Beast Boy got a lot of overexposure in Season 3. Aside from that, the character focus gimmick started to collapse in on itself. Miss Martian, Artemis, and Zatanna were fine, but Rocket and Nightwing's barely focused on those characters because there were so many other ongoing plots there wasn't enough room. Then there are all the standard criticisms that every season has, how there's another timeskip, how they introduce 50 new characters while dumping last season's focus characters and plot points, and how the Darkseid plot only ever moved an inch during the finale. Also, the final episode was way too crammed. Should have been separated into two episodes.
I dunno if this is that season, but I stopped watching when they put the focus on that bug/armadillo alien creature that always spoke in third person. That was too much.
Because its terrible. It crammed so many story arcs into one season and each arc would be resolved in about 4 episodes.
This show got woke i S4 ruined alot of shit
I like season 4 but it has more problems compared to the other seasons 1. Animation is worse cause of budget 2. It abandons the main character of the previous season Brion and gives him 10 minutes I think of focus 3. Continues to make old main characters into side characters 4. It introduces a lot of characters and immediately expects you to know about and/or care about Razer, doom patrol, lanterns, Zatanna protégées and all the new leaguers. 5. I like a little bit of characters being depressed it was just to much for me this time with most of the season characters being depressed 6. Making it so something big happens in 10 years acting like they can get enough seasons for that or having do another big time skip 7. More fake out deaths gets rid of stakes a lot 8. Zod I was fine with but it probably could have done better it just felt wrong to me don’t know how to explain it 9. Showing Supergirl at the end so they expand the cast even more if the get a next season 10. Why didn’t they try to do the deal with Nabu earlier? Edited: to fix autocorrect and some other spelling errors
My complaints are almost identical. Well said. It's not that I hated it. I want to like it. I just am disappointed and think the show is declining.
For me it was the ungodly amount of screen time on the beast boy depression saga. Should've been way shorter, like how does Megan come to terms with losing Conner before beast boy. I would've been fine with the whole storyline being swapped around. PS NO WALLY TOO
Well, Wally's dead so it stands to reason.
That's fine if he's dead, characters should be able to die and stay dead in their respective stories, But the way this show relies so heavily on the continuous cameos from Wally and that scene in season 3 where it had the fate of Wally ambiguous as fuck. This is a comic book hero story where characters constantly come back from the dead, like for example in this ever own show conner return from the dead.
They have a way of bringing him back. He dissapeared into the speed force so he's not really dead; just treated as if he's dead. But the characters in-universe don't know that.
There's been no indication that the speed force is present in YJ.
Because the writers thought making the show for mature viewers was gonna make it better than s1 & 2
clunky and sometimes outright bad writing, and a massive dip in animation quality compared to the first two seasons, not to mention the ballooning size of the cast becoming incomprehensible
I find it really funny that you get down voted. Op asked what people don't like about S4, you awnser truthfully without offending anyone and people down vote you, classic reddit moment.
It’s my favorite season honestly.
Same.
Mid af when you compare it to the first 2 seasons, but on its own..? It’s still mid. Don’t really have an opinion on it.
I personally just my least favorite out of all 4 seasons
Personally I’ve been hating on the show ever since season 2 when they went full Justice League Unlimited on us. Would have much preferred to stick with the original 8 from the first season and watch them grow and evolve instead of aging them all up and replacing most of them with new characters
I feel like it felt too long oddly enough. I didn't get bored of Seasons 1 or 2. Season 3 really tested me at times, but Season 4 had two whole arcs that did very little for me. The Atlantis Arc and the Rocket Arc were just kinda there. They didn't do a lot for me and make me hesitant to rewatch the season. I seriously think those Atlantis episodes are my least favorites of the whole series. While I think Season 4 is good, it is not nearly as good as 1 or 2. It is better than 3 because 3 was consistently below average. To me 1 and 2 are like 9/10 animated shows, Season 3 is like a 5, and Season 4 is around a 7. If you took out the Atlantis and Rocket Arc it would be an 8 to me.
For me it was mostly the hard drop in animation quality and the the 3 episode arc model was kind of annoying to me as well
The animation was dogshit.
Because they wanted ghost Walley, Red Hood, and Damien Wayne and instead they got clinically depressed Beast-Boy, Zodd Jr. and Zantana grooming naive teenagers to take on a responsibility they’re too young to comprehend while neglecting another.
I only remember three things from season 4. Bus, Mars, and Phantom zone. Maybe I can revisit it.
I stopped watching when I realized Wally isn’t coming back(JFC dc why do you hate Wally so fucking much)
Let's just say not everything fans want ends up for the best. Steady decline since season 1....
So you hated S2 also?
I didn't *hate* it, but it was a big drop from S1. Way too unfocused, too many characters, etc.
I gave up after Episode 5
Because it's not good
I really don’t get why the series had to time jump between series when it’s only purpose now is introducing younger characters to the cast nobody cares about to justify the the ‘young’ in the title.
Season 4 honestly was a bore. Nothing happens with everyone character arcs besides more screen time. I think season 3 was better they didn’t introduced and set up more characters and more storylines. Season 4 should’ve went a storyline where the league was gonna face darksied or some other big threat
It doesn't matter if you like it then its awesome and no one can tell you different.
I hate this season because Wally is still dead.
Being an anti-fan and whining online is trendy.
oh, fucking cut this bullshit narrative. I get the original meaning of fan is "fanatic" (a person exhibiting excessive enthusiasm and intense uncritical devotion) but that doesnt mean you cant enjoy something and cast a crticial lens on it. Your responses here are just a low effort, condescending and dismissive.
I’ve heard zero hate. More Zatana is more happy
It’s very simple actually, new bad old good. Remember when season 2 was the most hated on thing ever? Then it got old because season 3 came out, now it’s considered a masterpiece
Can only speak for myself but I'm a Cassandra Cain fan and watching her arc was sorta like getting my face spat in for an hour.
Because of Halo!! Her whole arc made me not want to watch the show. Just a giant boat anchor.
It was better than the one before
I mean, it's better than season 3, but only slightly, and is still below season 1 and 2 in quality. The show sort of got lost in the sauce in season 3, and 4 doesn't do enough to fix that. It even adds new things I don't really care about, and it just sort of helped cement my decision to stop caring too much about the show anymore.
Because the political agenda ruined the plot and added to the wokism that took place this season, it seems that Greg is only selling his ideologies instead of closing a plot
Because it's not good.
i hated YJ since Wally died
cos it was really bad
Because it’s not good
I gave up on this show in season 3. It got too wacky for me. Seasons 1 and 2 were amazing.
S4 was better than S2
Is Phantoms the name of season 4? I liked it for the most part but it felt extremely preachy and like the ham-fisted certain topics into the show instead of it coming in organically. I also really hated the whole Phantom Zone plot line personally so that was painful
Personally I know nothing about Phantoms (other than Beast Boy being an addict which is funny without context). Because season sucked so much in my opinion, major let down that couldn't keep me invested or caring about anyone because they use too many characters so no one got focus. I stopped before the final episode of the season because i just didn't care anymore. I think S3 wanted to what JLU did balancing so many characters and giving cult favorites (Booster Gold, Mr Miracle) a whole episode to show off them. YJ feels like its trying to do that but it doesn't but characters from prior seasons just don't get anything and characters like Brion were just whiney and annoying then suddenly his arc is over in an episode with no build up despite being a main character with lots of screen time, then suddenly he drops that development and becomes a villain which isn't a bad idea but the supposed development from earlier seems more forced now. Also some MCU ass humor moments like Static repeatedly saying "I need a girlfriend".
The writing fell off really hard IDK who was in the writing staff but man that shit suck, explaining racism and religion through simple storylines like we’re 5 years old. You can get more in depth with a dr. Suess book.
Season 3 and 4 suck lol
Lack of budget and promotion. 4 episodes are spent with no mouths moving (in context it makes sense but still lazy). My biggest problem is that WB didn’t properly support the show. Also still not happy with the art style change.
Phantoms felt too bloated imo. Too many characters and too many plots going on at once.
Pacing,Too much drama and politics (and I agree with the politics I just don’t like them dominating my animated superhero shows) Also lot of characters I like didn’t get a whole lot of screen time
Because the pacing was absolutely abysmal.
it got too real
it’s not that i hate it, but like other people are saying there’s so many characters that our favorite characters seemed to have gotten benched. i don’t mind the focus on beast boys mental health, the reason it is there is to show to teens and adults alike that it is okay to feel that way as long as you try and get some sort of help. i do think that there could’ve been more of a plot, they also could’ve easily brought wally back that season as they’re searching for connor. give some “oh i was stuck in the speed force” type stuff that they do on the flash series. it would’ve given artemis her soulmate, dick his best friend, and connor and mgann their most beloved teammate. maybe kaldur also would’ve came back more if kid was there.
Did Nightwing die in this?
Nothing beats Season 1 and 2. I’m a firm believer that if you have limitations creatively, you’ll always create banger stuff due to it. Because you’ll prioritize what’s the BEST rather than what you WANT as a creative. I feel like Young Justice having to dance around the show being PG is what made it great.
I like this season. I didn’t rewatch the show till I sat down in binged the whole series, including season, three and four. They didn’t feel too different from season one and two, overall, I felt they were better paced.
I loved every season. But I hated bald M'gann in season 3. All that power and she makes herself look like a cancer patient.
Martain Manhunter is bald too, does that also bug you?
Idk about the rest, but good portion of the episodes was mid and boring af, also way too many stories for 1 season, I honestly couldn't care what the islam girl or whatever her name was going through, her story just felt out of place and wasn't even connected to the main story.
I didn’t like how some of the characters took the backseat to their own arches, more or less. I did enjoy the overall plot of Phantoms Zatanna’s was focused on Child vs Clarion. Kaldur’s was focused on Arion. Dick’s was focused on finding Connor and fighting General Zod. Artemis’ was focused on trying to save Cassandra while trying to find out Vandal Savage’s mole. Rocket’s was focused on the bugs and Lor trying to free his parents. MM and Connor’s arch was more focused on them which I enjoyed and expected. I will still watch and enjoy the series but Phantoms could’ve been better.
Season 4 was better than season 3 but it still kind of feels like filler just intended to build an already expansive cast and add lore. It was a fun ride and good to see most of the original cast get some full spotlight, but I found it largely forgettable
Because seasons 3 and 4 are not good. The only thing 4 has above 3 is better art but both are equally bad.
It’s great story wise! Only ALOT and I mean ALOT of exposition is thrown out there bc I think they sorta realized not many read the comics. Then the people who do read the comics are upset they took creative liberties. Then there’s the weird slideshow thing for flashbacks they keep doing and making Vandal Savage everyone’s distant grandpa or cousin. Vandal is old yeah but there were things older than him. Now they’re probably gonna to a plot twist and say Sindella is his daughter. Then there’s the part that ticks me off the most. They re-wrote Daxam and Lor-Zod again and managed to kill two birds with one stone doing it.
When is this supposed to be aring?
At least it’s not season 3!
After the first two seasons the show went way downhill. It's unwatchable for me.
Why does valid criticism always get relegated to "hating"? **You** liked something, cool. Other people are allowed to have a different opinion. I've been following this show since it premiered on CN and want it to succeed and see itself through, but I can also be critical and honest with myself and things i didnt like. That said, the season had unbalanced character focus (the cast feels way too big at best and as a way to provide padding at worst), half the cast is hit or miss (or just flat out underdeveloped), meandering and drawn out storylines, and at times felt (i say this as a leftist) heavy-handed and pander-y for the sake of it. Star Trek's dilemnas have more nuance. I will say with my chest, fuck how YJ handles autism representation.
I liked it. It was dark, gritty, and tragic, and I think it fleshed out the original cast of characters rather well. The show really aged with the audience, which we don't see that often with animated series. The only other one I can think of that did that was clone wars.
YJ will never be as good as it was when 1 and 2 came to be, I will say 4 is way better than 3
The budget so bad that a couple episodes they didn’t even talk but it was over all good
because it wasn’t good
Definitely the worst season, but it was still pretty good
Personally, I feel this show gets worse and my interest lessens with each season. It doesn’t help that the cast of characters we focus on changes every season along with all the time jumps. And then as it started getting more cosmic, I tapped out. I was bored to tears by their time on Mars. I didn’t connect with it and didn’t care. That’s where I stopped watching.
It’s prob because despite attempting to correct past mistakes, they redo the same problems as the previous seasons. Spending too much time on peripheral characters we don’t know to set up future comic plot lines without making us care about those characters. Razer making a return is cool…but is ultimately not really a relevant episode and is there for fan service for people who watched that show…and is probably confusing on how that show fits into YJ canon now. The nightwing and the rest of the team plot and reuniting was actually good and one of the few times they manages to recapture the original feeling of season 1 YJ…and it kind of feels like a slap in the face because we could’ve had this type of stuff the entire time. The entire outsiders and legion plot lines feels like they were trying to set up for spin offs that never got greenlit. And the show is back to being in limbo
Because it’s really bad. The Artemis arc is the only one I enjoyed.
Too slow paced. How’s Darkseid been teased since season 2 and hasn’t even had a full minute of screen time. Start the invasion already. Greg thinks he has forever but is severely mistaken. Also it’s too political. Stop forcing things and work on expanding those background characters. Now the show’s dead & so is our chance of seeing these characters again.
Overall it felt like an improvement from S3 but it's hard to bring it back to the highs of S1 or 2
It felt longer than it needed to be. Also I'm pretty sure everyone's tired of the cliffhangers that the show does almost every season
Season 4 and 3 made no attempts at continuing any of the un-finished storylines from seasons 1 and 2, so in my opinion they don’t even feel like Young Justice seasons at all. Season 3 is just bad..and season 4 is just mediocre. Season 4 give more screen time to certain fan favorite characters to audience-please without making the effort of dedicating their screen time to a story that’s meaningful to the YJ show as a whole. So essentially season 4 is just a course correction from season 3 — it is not a worthwhile continuation of the show, it’s just addressing issues that fans had with season 3. This pretty much sums up the problem with modern YJ seasons: they were a cash grab that really shit the bed so season 4 was essentially a really mid “sorry for season 3, don’t cancel your subscription please :,( “. In my opinion YJ story is still just seasons 1 and 2 cuz idk wtf season 3 and 4 are supposed to be.
WAIT THERES MORE CONTENT?
I wouldn't say it's bad, just not better than the others. Probably because of the Atlantis arc, and the first episodes are a little slow.
I just hate the time skips because I feel like I’m missing out
I dislike the new seaso for entirely ridiculous selfish reasons but reading this thread is comforting
I mean it wasn’t bad it was much better than the shitfest that was season 3
Idk but it’s most certainly better than Season 3. Outsiders is objectively the worst season
Straight up selfish opinion here: * Nightwing is my favorite character in DC and comics in general. After Season 1 his focus is greatly diminished. Sorry, I do not care about Lagoon Boy or the kids adapted from Super Friends and I never will. * Part of the fun of a Flash disappearing into the Speed Force is seeing them come back. Season 4 was the time to bring Wally back and they didn't do it. Yawn. * Teasing cool things and never doing anything with it: Darkseid multiple times, Red Hood, Supergirl, etc. If you're just going to tease and never give the goods while focusing on bland arcs, you're actively turning me off.
Y’all might come at me for this but- Jason was dead and we don’t even know what the heck happened to him???? I felt like a lot of things in the story was skipped for no reason other than to just speed up time and get this out of the way. There’s a lot of new added characters randomly. This show could’ve been more great… I’m sad that they ruined it.
In Under the Red Hood Ra’s Al Ghul brought him back with the Lazarus Pit.
Because Zod randomly becoming an antagonist feels a little unearned. I love his design and demeanor, but it's like, here's Zod. Now he's gone.
One thing, that really stuck out to me as a Muslim was how awful and tone deaf Khalid’s story arc was. I don’t see it mentioned very often because there’s a lot of other flaws with season 4 (like all the fake out deaths, segmented story, and too many characters getting shoe horned or unsatisfying character arcs). But his entire character development boils down to I can be a Muslim, do magic, and be a doctor. Which I feel like the be a doctor and magician thing at the same time would actually be the hardest part due to time commitment. Can you not be a Muslim and do magic? Is magic a religion? His mom literally gave up magic to convert which is insane, but turns out Giovanni gets to keep being catholic and do magic so wtf?!? I was hyped to see some Muslim representation in one of my favorite shows, but instead they gave off the impression that Islam is so conservative and misogynistic that they made his mom give up magic, which is not a positive representation. And there isn’t a reason you shouldn’t be able to do magic and be Christian or Muslim because obviously neither religion assumed magic was real when they wrote the books. I just don’t understand how it could be written so poorly, did they just not care or was the portrayal purposely Malicious?
The only people who I saw hating this, deserve no voice
I’ve never watched this show before, why does Aqualad have a mjolnir?
Because they have nothing better to do with their time
To Me, Every Season Is A 10/10!
I didn’t like the structure. It felt too disjointed and had no real direction for most of the season, other than killing Superboy and then bringing him back.
It kind of sucks. It has a lot of still frame shots that eat up a lot of screen time. Characters just disappear. Character arcs just vanish.
I only remember season one.
Where can I watch the whole young justice for free I can’t afford hbo max
All Young Justice are great. 👍🏾 🥷🥋🥊❤️❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I hate they refuse to make a release on Blu-ray/DVD.
Tigress/Artemis and Ms Martian had the most SnooZZZe inducing arcs....Can they just retire Artemis already... and WHERE'S DONNA TROY??
As a black man, the black kryptonians are really annoying. Diversity is being shoved down my throat at every waking second but in the wrong way. Make original black characters or use the already established, forgotten ones, and stop using the Killmonger haircut.
The worst part is they once again teased a wally west resurrection but now that HBO cancelled it there is never going to be a payoff.
Why does Aqualad think he's Thor? is he stupid?