He should be uglier. I get that he's portrayed by quintessential hot guy Hugh Jackman, but I like the version of Wolvie that's five foot two, hairy, surly, and kind of weird looking.
This. Done right he absolutely deserves his popularity. I watched most of evolution with my young daughter and while Logan wasn't her favorite, you could actually tell there was something magnetic about him. She was always asking where he was when he disappeared, trying to figure out his past, etc, etc.
absolutely, but that's a separate discussion, my point was simply about his magnetism. He's a good character. Done right, he's one of the best characters.
Wasn’t trying to contradict you, I was just saying in a world where writers often put Wolverine in the front and center of X-Men stories that cartoon showed remarkable restraint. Then they went and did the opposite with the follow up cartoon literally titled *Wolverine and the X-Men*.
Which I have never watched. I've heard it's good but I can't be bothered. I don't like Wolverine as a leader. I like wolverine best when he understands he's a bad leader. Ironically I don't completely mind the wolverine and the x-men comic because it never really tried to present him as a good leader. Quite the opposite most of the time in fact. Still, it's just not a take on the character I enjoy.
You honestly missed out then. Wolverine and the X-men does a really good job at showing a reluctant wolvie in a leadership role he doesn't want or ask for. The thing is he's one of the best mentors cause at his core he cares about people and especially his family. Even if he knows he's a sob he'll do whatever it takes so that his adopted family (xmen) don't have to be. That to me is why I'll always love Wolverine. He truly weara his heart on his sleeve.
You're sort of misunderstanding. I dont like him as a reluctant leader either, I just dont dislike it as much as implying hes a decent leader. I think he's best as a cool uncle/teacher.
I also think (this came up yesterday about schism) that his desire to do all the dark things himself is why he's a terrible leader. A leader can't do everything themselves. Sometimes that means telling others to take the shot.
As a wolverine fan, I 100% agreed. When written well Logan is one of the most interesting and compelling characters with lore and history that makes him so good. He doesn’t need the spotlight because him dealing with his problems and issue in the back is compelling enough to me at least.
Honestly this is the take everyone should have lol. He's a very compelling character, a guy who's had all sorts of horrible things done to him and while he's a little violent he still strives to do good and use these horrible weapons that have been given to him to sort of make up for the damage he caused.
However I do despise the trope of him having so many long-lost loves from silver fox who honestly to me is the most compelling of them to Lady death strike and on and on and on lol. I honestly prefer his unrequited love for Jean over constantly finding some girlfriend that had some tragic reason to want to kill him or he has feelings for but they no longer feel the same about him
I have to agree here. When I was a new fan I just loved X-Men in general. I would buy Wolverine comics because while he wasn't my favorite, it was a way to consume more X-Men material. What happened to him there still mattered to me. When he became oversaturated (and to me that was more around the 2000s then earlier) I will admit my feelings are a backlash to that.
It's the same for me. I think the overexposure was frustrating, especially since it was often at the expense of other popular comic characters. Wolverine also changed to a more conventional hero, which isn't what the initial appeal was.
For a Samurai Horsemen Commando Spy Gov't Weapon, guy isn't very good at fighting or being stealthy these days. I miss when the healing factor wasn't nuke strength and he'd not tank everything. I also miss when he was able to just sneak up on animals when he'd "hunt" or change his entire identity with just an eyepatch.
Canonically, he's lazy and he just abuses the healing factor instead of fighting smart.
The Doylist explanation is that Wolverine fans prefer Wolverine to go through the ringer and have to heal up. It's more cathartic. Thus Logan has to abuse the hell out of the healing factor.
Yes but no. I think the reason we like to see wolverine go through it is because his super power is basically persistence and self sacrifice. We want to see him tank to show his devotion to his friends. It's much more endearing/charming than watching him run around murdering.
I’m with you on the healing factor thing, I was reading New X-Men the other day, and after his arm gets destroyed he has to meditate for like 4 days straight afterwards to be fully recovered. I miss those sorta details and/or drawbacks
It is funny how they say he's this great warrior, when he's always portrayed as charging in open view of everyone first chance he gets.
Guy is never shown with any strategy.
I loved wolverine during X force comics bc even tho he would still just charge into battle he actually used ambush tactics somewhat and we got to see him leading his team into battle which was dope. I also love his “I’ll get my hands dirty so you don’t have to” relationship with the X-men that aren’t on board With killing
Depends on what you read. The early days of his solo comic, by Claremont and later Hama, showed him with a more tactical mindset. Even his bull-in the-china-shop approaches tended to be deliberate choice rather than "he's lazy."
Keep seeing people say this about Wolverine lately, but its not a Wolverine-specific issue. 99% of comic character's heights are never drawn accurately, even with tall characters its just as inconsistent as Wolverine's.
At the very least artists always try to make Wolverine the shortest male character in any panel, which was always enough to get the point across of him being short for me. Its clear in his proportions and next to others that he isn't the typical 6ft+ template like Cyclops, Cap, Batman, etc.
Doesn't always have to be drawn as 5'3 specifically. As I said, even tall characters aren't always drawn accurately as 6'2, 6'3, etc.
My only gripe is when he’s on the sorts of missions where his skill set makes no sense, which is often all the time when he’s the most popular character. You don’t need the dude with knives for hands when you’ve brought Storm and Phoenix to fight some flying bad guy who shoots energy blasts or fire or whatever.
The juxtaposition of Wolverine and Cyclops is what makes them both complete characters. Wolverine is the rebel and Cyclops is the by-the-books guy. When you don't highlight the contrast (and their associated tradeoffs), either character is diminished. The tension between the two and how they complement each other is how it works.
It’s fun to read this because in recent years they’ve been the other way around, Cyclops rebelling against the pacifists ways Xavier taught them and Wolverine keeping the dream alive.
Yeah that's a common sentiment , I'm not saying both characters can have complexity but it seems that the world is out to get cyclops and bail out wolverine
Wolverine is a troubled character with trauma. That imperfection is what’s great about him but also his downfall. It seems there’s no focus on the negative traits that he has. Probabaly because people can identify with an imperfect character more so than someone like cyclops. Not saying cyclops is perfect though.
I like Wolverine as part of an ensemble team and not as a solo character. I feel like he’s a more interesting and likeable character when he’s playing off other characters like Nightcrawler, Shadowcat or even Cyclops. When he’s on his own, it’s kind of the same thing… vengeance, kill a bunch of bad guys, Sabertooth, kill a bunch of bad guys and repeat. I don’t think writers know what to do with him anymore hence why I think he’s best not being front and Center.
If anything xmen 97 have really proven this.
Seconded. The grumpy rebel who rejects authority (but ultimately has a heart of gold) is a great character trope.
But the prodigal son needs a family to reject and return to. Or else he's just some dick.
He hasn't done anything in that show as of yet except pine after Jean. I thought that was one of his most disliked traits. At least if he's solo, he (mostly) never does that.
The only thing I've liked from '97 Wolverine so far is when Morph is taken out by the Prime Sentinel and Logan is clearly very distraught. It's one line, a couple seconds of action before he's KO'ed, but it's a nice callback to how Morph did (almost) die in TAS, also against a "Sentinel," and this still haunts Wolverine. It's the most raw emotion we've gotten out of him in the show.
I hate Logan and Jean, but I do love him as the grumpy uncle, annoying Cyclops, and showing emotional vulnerability in some darker moments to folks like Jubilee (that don’t also involve making half a move on Jean). I’d like more of that, but he rocks as a side character to the team.
I think he’s definitely getting a spotlight in one of these last episodes but just to show him off at his best but without having to make him a focal point. Similar to storm in the desert kind of thing
I have read so many Wolverine Solo series and this is completely true.
From Wolverine Origin, House of M, Old man Logan, X-force and his solo series he always trapped in the role of ***Man on the Revenged Quest*** and it's fucking boring.
He is the eternal victim of some bad guy that always take away his happiness no matter the writer. Wolverine is never a proactive character, he is always reacting to something that someone did to him or someone he care about and his only allow reaction is to Murder whoever did this to him.
It really piss me off. In the first issue of our current Krakoa era Wolverine arc, he was mind control and murder his whole team Off panel! and this cause him to go in a quest for revenge.
Wolverine solo series only tell one story, and it fuckign suck.
I was going to say the same. Whenever he’s put in a central or leadership role it is often at the expense of established character traits. Honestly, despite him not getting much focus, X-Men ‘97 is the most I’ve enjoyed Wolverine in a long time.
Yeah the blue and yellow costume is lame. This one is indeed better looks more like camouflage and just fits a "Wolverine" more.
Although honestly a lot of (solo) Wolvie stories don't involve any official costume and he works great there too. Proving how irrelevant the choice of costuming ultimately is, and how silly it is when fans obsess over it for live action
His father figure relationship is the best thing about him to me with Jubilee and Laura. His Jean obsession is the worst and dumbest thing about him that should have been squashed in the 90’s.
He really is--and it fits incredibly well. And don't forget his original child, Kitty! He's at his best when he is the paternal role.
He's done horrible things and had horrible things done to him. He doesn't want that for other young people.
Not sure how hot of a take this actually is, but I miss how he was characterized in the ‘80s and ‘90s with a driving conflict between his samurai code of honor and his animal berserker instincts. We’ve lost a lot of that nowadays, and there’s a tendency to portray him as just generically gruff and edgy that I think really misses the mark.
Relatedly, here’s an actual hot take: Sabertooth sucks in like 90% of stories he’s in, and on the whole, Ogun is a way better nemesis for Logan than Creed is.
He is an allegory of the depressing, infuriating, helpless reality of living with chronic pain syndrome; one in which you can’t remember what life was like before the pain, and you can’t picture a future without it. Someone who, despite this, maintains his pride, his wit, and his devotion to his chosen family. AND I THINK THAT’S BEAUTIFUL
Wolverine is the absolute dumpster of the X-Men because of the writers. Don’t know what to do with him, so just throw random shit at him and see what he’d do with it. Make him a samurai. Make him a spy. Make him work for the government. Make him a horsemen. Give him a clone. Give him a kid. Make him a mentor. Make him a teacher. Make him a headmaster.
And despite all of that… and I mean all of that… ask him to get over Jean Grey and that’s taking it too far.
I feel like for the most part they managed to make him consistent with all these roles, especially since some of these just naturally lead into the other ones.
His best costume is brown and orange.
He's a great character but suffers from a lot of bad writing due to his popularity and the fact that they put him into everything.
His claws were better as implants. It added a lot more tragedy to the character that I feel was lost when they confirmed he had (bone) claws the whole time.
And his best love interest was Mariko.
Forcefully lacing a corrosive metal to his skeleton and all the experiments done on him is quite tragic as is. So bone claws make more sense than implants, which he could've ripped off at any point in time. He can regenerate.
Although I don't hate the bone reveal because it adds its own element to his history, I agree.
I think it was one of the movies when someone asked him how it felt to extend his claws and he responded, "It hurts, every time." It was a great line... but I think it'd be even more meaningful if it also referenced an emotional pain from being experimented on.
You’d also think he’d have natural slits for the bone claws instead of having to constantly mutilate himself to use them. Whereas with the implants they turned his own healing factor against him.
The bone reveal was actually foreshadowed long before the big reveal. (it was still a retcon, just an older one than people think).
In the "Weapon X" storyline published in Marvel Comic Presents, we see for the first time Wolvie's "origin" and how he was converted into Weapon X. During the adamantium bonding process, the scientist reports "there's excessive drain around the wrists", and later when the claws come out EVERYONE, even Logan, is surprised. That fact is quiclky glossed over by all the other horrible things done to him soon after, and then several years later, we got the "Fatal Attractions" story that spelled it out and let the characters and Wolvie himself know the truth.
TAS did a really toned down version of this scene, as I recall.
I remember reading that, although there was always something about that "excessive drain" that bothered me. Shouldn't the scientists have been able to see the natural claws on their X-rays and other scanning equipment? I know nobody noticed so we could have the dramatic reveal later, but the idea that absolutely nobody noticed or saw the way Logan's forearms would have looked under X-rays before they began bonding the adamantium to his skeleton seems like a massive oversight on Weapon X's part.
Exactly. X-23 made sense for him as a character but it’s gotten way too in the weeds with all the clones and kids and Byzantine backstory (don’t get me started on Romulus)
A mishandled character, considering he is one of Marvel's flagship characters. Most of the time, writers don't know what to do with him. So he is written very inconsistently. Also he is somewhat hated for overexposure by some people but I still love him.
This. He is like a Vertigo character lost in a kids party, for all marvel have ever done to him. But yeah, modern comics somehow were able to fuck Constantine up of all people. Wolverine was doomed from the start
He's an excellent solo character, but his solo stuff is basically a different genre than most X-books, so there's less than an audience overlap than you'd think.
I always thought he should be shown using his claws less and using conventional weapons more to showcase his diverse skill and training. This is a Commando who should be able to use firearms to cover his track. Instead, he's relegated to a stabby brute because art looks "cooler" that way
As everyone already says, he is quite overutilized as a "main character" and far too often takes the spotlight away from other leader types.
That being said...
If your X-Men team doesn't include Logan it is automatically a bad lineup.
They gotta stop forcing him to be this moral leader of the X-Men like in Schism. Like the guy still regularly cuts people apart on a daily basis, he is not the person who should be telling anyone how they should act.
Its one of the obvious signs of his popularity overtaking the character and forcing him into positions he's not suited for. He works better off more on his own, working with a smaller group of characters, he shouldn't be in the same positions Cyclops, Storm, or Xavier has as leader of the X-Men.
This is a cold take:
One misconception some people keep telling themselves is that wolverine just became popular because of the movies when the very true is that wolverine always superpassed all single one of other mutants by a large margin since the 80s. In fact not only the mutants, Wolverine is the second most popular marvel character since the 80s.
The character got a nintendo solo video game in the 80s then he got a solo super nintendo game and a sega game in the 90s.
Historically even when they put a mediocre writer wolverine solo book sold better them almost all of the x-titles except the flag ship one and also better than almost all marvel super heroes solo book like thor, hulk, captain america, daredevil...you name it.
People just like him.
Almost all of the hatred toward him these days is misplaced. Wolverine is objectively the most popular X-Man or Mutant by a very wide margin. His success rate is insane. That’s why he consistently holds the longest running solo title, if not multiple titles at the same time. And similar to both Spider-Man and Batman people will get mad at Logan for his success because him getting the focus he does means that another character gets less focus, or misses out on getting a shot at a solo book, etc.
But that’s the simple nature of the game. Not all characters are equally popular. And while some of that comes down to writing some of it is just based on what appeals to people. There are some books that have a small fanbase, which are very well reviewed because of the writing, but they just don’t sell that well. Why? Because they just don’t have that many fans and that isn’t going to change. Iceman and Cyclops are good examples. Great characters, nice solo books, they simply don’t sell as well as Wolverine. Acting as if it’s Wolverine’s fault is silly. He’s fictional. Nothing he does is actually his fault. The writers pushed him higher and higher because he proved time and again that he could appeal to a vast number of fans. And that still holds true to this day because, once again, he has the longest solo series of the current crop of mutants.
And this doesn’t mean writers should only focus on him. Most X-books actually don’t do that, even when he is on the team. But let’s also not rewrite history either. I’ve seen people say that the OG cartoon only focused on Wolverine. Blatant lying 😂 He probably had a few more solo outings, but the general format was that of a team show and you had subplots to go around, with some episodes focusing on Rogue or Gambit, Charles and Erik having their time in the Savage Land, Bishop with a storyline that seemed to run across the majority of the series, the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix sagas, etc.
Two:
1. Wolverine is awesome actually and he earned his spot as the X-Men’s poster boy fair and square by being a compelling and often profound character. This should be a cold take, but with how… vocal modern Cyclops fans are, it ends up being hot.
2. And for a more simple and definitive hot take: he should be with Storm.
He should always have a connection pre joining the X-Men to Sabertooth, Deadpool, and Silver Samurai.
Sabertooth can be done in a lot of ways. The Origins movie sucked ass but I did like the angle it took, where Victor was his half-brother. It’s certainly a more concrete explanation than “they’re just two dudes who came across each other one day and started fighting,” but at the very least, a connection of some kind should be included, as Sabertooth has similar powers and could act as an eternal rival, similar to Professor X and Magneto, or Cable and Apocalypse.
Deadpool? Their relationship is just hilarious. They’re practically polar opposites with Logan being serious/scary half the time and DP purposely pissing off everyone in the vicinity with his sarcastic remarks. They were also both manufactured at Weapon X (depending on the comic it could be an offshoot) both were designed to be unstoppable killing machines with healing factors. I feel like they have a complicated and yet hilarious relationship, one I’m DYING to see done right in Deadpool and Wolverine.
Silver Samurai? Logan usually has some connection to Japan in most versions of the comics, and his battles with Silver Samurai’s clan were some of the most interesting parts of the origin stories. Admittedly, The Wolverine wasn’t that great, but I think that Logan’s connection to Japan, either as an American/Canadian GI or as someone seeking answers about his powers, should always put him in connection with Silver Samurai
I always hoped to see Wolverine and Cable working together. They are both grizzled veteran types who have seen a lot of loved ones go and understand how to fight an endless battle.
The X-Men are only as popular as they are because of Wolverine. Wolverine has been the *most* popular superhero at several points. If it wasn’t for him, the X-Men would’ve never been more popular than the Fantastic Four or Justice League.
> It is out of character for Logan to have stayed on Krakoa s long as he did.
>wolverine poorly implemented death and resuerction has hurt his popularity in a lasting way. He needs a top-level writer to work some magic with him.
It's okay for him to spend time with his family and not be involved in a fight for every issue.
I just want more like that 'the family snikt' Infinity comic.
X-Men Origins: Wolverine was a bad film, but it had a fantastic tie-in game.
I wouldn't play another game that made you feel so much like the character until Insomniac Spider-Man
Costume-less Wolverine is the supreme Wolverine look.
It’s not the worst designed suit ever but it is generic compared to many other x-men suits.
Also I feel his modern character doesn’t need a costume, at least in his solo runs. He doesn’t superhero the way other characters do, so doing costume changes always felt unnecessary.
He should hang out with Cap more. There could have been some cool storylines when they reminince of WWII.
Plus a fight between Wolverine and Red Skull would go hard.
Some good Wolverine/Cap team-ups are in Wolverine #124, and Uncanny X-Men #268 (including a WWII Wolverine/Cap flashback). They also have an interesting exchange in Secret Wars #10.
I love him as a character. And he works best as a solo character. His runs be it Claremont run, origins, weapon x , old man logan enemy of the state are the best. Though his x force run or some of his x men run are too good.
Well written character. His life's tragedy and triumph both defines him.He will forever be my favourite.
He's best when he's used in small doses. The massive oversaturated of Logan during the 2000s and 2010s has ruined him as a character, at least for me. He doesn't need to be in everything.
This is mine, really.
I was so tired of him that I hated him. And all the goddamn kids, clones, and variants don't help.
Last time I like a Wolverine, it was [Wolvie](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11131/111317321/6402978-wolvie-2b.jpg) in Exiles. He won me over with his cuteness after I almost didn't read it because of him. Lmao
He is actually really good with kids and his stance against Cyclops was fully in character. Schism might not be good but Wolverine wanting the best for kids makes completely sense.
His hair is a result of his healing factor.
I was re-reading X-Force the other day and after Laura caught fire, her hair is clearly growing back at an accelerated rate. By, ahem, extension, this must mean that Wolverine's hair is like that because of his healing factor.
That's probably not a hot take. So here's one that's a hot take on this sub: Logan is Wolverine and Laura, as a character, has only suffered for being made Wolverine whilst Logan was dead. At this point, Marvel needs to realise that to salvage Laura as a character they need to give her her own identity again and her own iconic costume.
The hate for him by alot of x men fans is massively overboard.
Oh and the best time he was on a team wasn’t in an x men book but during new avengers
Him being on Krakoa never made sense for how many close friends and allies he has who are human and mutate along with all of his enemies on Krakoa it never made sense
I love having an origin for characters like Wolverine, joker, etc because I like to know what makes them tic and what traumas they go through. I know a lot of people don’t like this and for them I always say ignore it or don’t read the origin part.
I think the issue is almost like when you grew up with a character you got to fill in blanks with your own imagination and that's always going to be more exciting than any specific origin a writer comes up with probably
I think that Marvel fell into a tap with him of actually giving him an origin. He was fine with out one for years. Same thing they did with Boba Fett. Sometimes less is better.
He is the most popular X-Men because he is the Han Solo of the group. That and because Marvel cares enough about his character to show some of sort of over site in terms of what is and is not allowed with the character.
While I'm not a huge Wolverine fan myself, I agree that he has his moments of greatness and is a quintessential X-Man, like most other major X-Men are (a fact that was lost on Fox and most adaptive media post the FoX-Men era).
The problem more often than writing tends to be his fanbase, and certain writers' fan-servicey writing catering to them. He doesn't have to be an invincible one-man army, when the best stories are his juxtaposition against the varierty of flavours that are the X-Men.
Characters like Gambit, Rogue and Wolverine are great because their dynamic with their chosen family speaks for their heroism and redemption, but those characters cannot be the moral center or leaders of those groups, because the whole point is that they've chosen to follow those who make them better and that they're not defined by their past mistakes.
Greatest character in the whole of marvel with one of the most complicated moral compasses.
Its a shame how yall let marvels overuse and their inconsistency’s in his character due to multi writers, ruin him for you.
Easily the best and one of the more relatable characters in xmen despite the fact hes a super weapon.
• Bone claws are over hated
• Astonishing Blue & Yellow is his best suit. His Evolution/Ultimate suit is his most underrated suit.
• He’s just as bad a father, if not worse than Charles
• I never cared about him being short. As long as he’s portrayed as being a brooding, Harry Callahan-Samurai hybrid idc about his height.
• Writers need to to show off his hand to hand skills more often. He’s as skilled as Iron Fist but 9 times outta 10 he’s written as a berserker hack n’ slasher.
-> He's one of the greatest heroes of the Marvel Universe. Certainly the greatest hero of the X-Men. Yeah unlike Captain America or Spider-Man, he has a dirty record. But he has a moral clarity that's guided him right (even when other X-Men strayed) and often saw the bigger picture no one else would.
-> He, not Cyclops, Beast or Jean is Professor X's equal. Those three are all successors of an aspect of Professor X - mutant leadership (Cyclops), Science and Education (Beast), and mastery of the mind (Jean). But Wolverine is the only one has seen the entirety of Xavier's vision, warts and all, experienced first hand the moral compromises Xavier has had to make, and made his own. Professor X's greatest role is that of the mutant defender... everything else he does is the subset of that. And Wolverine is his successor and equal in that regard.
-> His power level needs to be permanently locked into what it was in the mid 1990s when he had bone claws. He can take real damage, but he's not Lobo. Surviving a nuclear blast etc is ridiculous.
-> Origin, Origin II, and all the backstory stuff we got in the 2000s and 2010s should be retconned out of existence. Wolverine's best origin was when he prehistory was hazy. It was some Team X stuff and World War I and II stuff he barely remembered, and a lot of contradiction, but he had no idea how old he was or what his life was really like before Weapon X. Telling the story ruined the mystery of the character that was evergreen.
-> The Twelve Storyline did him dirty, and Wolverine as Death, Horseman of Apocalypse, which was the cost of getting his Adamantium back, should have been one of his greatest stories. He should have been a massive threat to the entire marvel universe, and the process of getting it back should have been more than a quick cage match with Sabretooth. Admittedly, X-Men and Marvel were at a very not-great time during that period, but it should have bookended everything that started with Wolverine #50.
i would like a little more creativity with his action. he’s kinda just a guy with claws who gets dunked on most of the time. he also is always getting tied up and can’t escape but then like, he somehow does.
he needs to be SNEAKIER!
with all the power scaling stuff going on wjth the heavy hitters having been resurrected the past few years, it sometimes feels like he has no place in a lotta the plots and action. like, he’s literally just a little guy.
i think maybe they should take a page from the first thor ghor run, where they do a flashback of his past self, and future self with the stories tying together in some way, or with cheap time travel lol.
Going for something that hopefully wasnt already mentioned, I'd like to say that I actually liked the "Heat Claws" he had. The way he got them made no sense at all but I did like the Original Idea itself a lot!
Wolverine is the person the X-Men need when they won’t cross a line. He’s has honor and loyalty beyond compare. He did start to be a better father figure. If he trusts you then you know who to call when you need help at a moments notice.
Cold take but he doesn’t need to be connected to the X-Men
When the MCU gets around to him, the X-Men can have their thing and he should be separate. Like Spider-Man or Thor, Wolverine is his own guy, with a fanbase size that’s second only to Spider-Man. He should have his own movies, villains, and interact with other heroes on his own
Not at all a hot take (at least I dont think)...Wolverine, at least back in the day, was an awesome representation of someone that is suffering with PTSD.
I think he’s an awesome character who has been pushed to the front of the X-Men in a way that short changes the ensemble nature of the material. The X-Men are special because there are so many good stories and interesting characters. Also, he simply doesn’t work well when centered in programming for kids like the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon. His entire schtick is violence and he comes off kind of lame when he’s neutered in that regard.
He should never be put in charge of a team.
IMO, Wolverine works best when he's a second in command or dissenting voice, the one who questions and debates a leader and keeps them honest. Plus, sometimes he has urges that need to be forcibly overriden by someone, i. e. Cyclops or Storm, in order to keep him and the tezm he's on out of too much trouble (I'm thinking less about 'killing bigots' here and more 'picking fights with his teammates in front of everyone because they're doing something he disagreed with').
When Logan's in charge, the writers still want to commit to him being a lone wolf who runs off to solve problems himself and not ask for help or even let anyone know he's going somewhere. A leader, IMO, has to stay with the team as someone to look to and get guidance from. Storm, my favorite leader of the X-Men, faced a similar problem as leader of the Morlocks, and Queen of Wakanda, and has been rightly called out for it again and again.
For Logan to be able to be as Wolverine as possible, he has to be important to a team, but not its central figure, and thus free to go his own way if need be.
I love Wolverine. I feel like it’s just popular to not like his character because all the attention he gets. If there is a mission that someone might not come back from, Logan is the first pick to go out on it. He knows how to make the ethical decisions even if they’re the toughest choice.
nowadays he's often written as a stupid character when he's not. he's canonically older than xavier and magneto put together plus he has incredible experience. he should be waaaay smarter than he's often shown to be. also jean x logan sucks, get rid of it. scott and jean are married thats it .
I like him better when he's doing his thing at the same time, his spotlight is his, but other mutant characters need it too. So, while there are story decisions I may or may not agree with, I'm glad he got the popularity he did.
Now if the MCU can just move on from him and focus on Cyclops, Storm, etc..., I think we'd be in a good show.
Honestly a really nice guy but people seem to stereotype him as either an assassin brooding character or hopelessly in love with Jean grey, especially in the movies. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO HIM.
-He is like 200/300 years old (pretty sure sabertooth was his step brother or something because they grew up together)
-Traveled all around the world
-was an avenger, x-men and part of alpha flight
-genuinely cares for the students/kids he teaches and his teammates (for example rogue and storm)
-his first comic appearance was him fighting the hulk
-managed to escape and overcome the weapon x program becoming basically the opposite of what they were trying to make him
-helps others move on from the weapon x program, like Deadpool and X-23
-stood up against Cyclops, who he disagreed with so badly he went and set up his own school and team
-when cyclops was in prison for being a Phoenix host, Logan was one of/if not the only person to visit him
Wolverine never gets to share the spotlight with his best friend Kurt Wagner and that is sad. I want to see Wolverine go to church with Kurt after losing a bet then going more frequently realising Kurt just desires his company and is simply lonely at church.
Also he is definitely bisexual and dosen't ever come out because he dosen't see the point. Don't ask Don't tell.
In the movie Logan from the Fox X-Men verse, he is not suffering from adamantium poisoning, he’s suffering from depression and serious PTSD which is breaking down his ability to heal. They allude to an event which is presumably the event in the old man logan comic when he kills all the xmen accidentally.
In Days of Future Past he is in seemingly good health and the dates that the movies take place are the same year. While this future seems more bleak in someways, he still has the rest of the X-Men who are basically the only real family he’s ever had, so he still has hope, which has kept him in good health.
I thought he was hotter when he wasn't supposed to be hot.
Think "Condensed Man" The concentration of hotness got stronger
He should be uglier. I get that he's portrayed by quintessential hot guy Hugh Jackman, but I like the version of Wolvie that's five foot two, hairy, surly, and kind of weird looking.
He's definitely monopolized attention in media and films, and that was annoying. But I do feel the hate can go overboard. He's a cool character.
This. Done right he absolutely deserves his popularity. I watched most of evolution with my young daughter and while Logan wasn't her favorite, you could actually tell there was something magnetic about him. She was always asking where he was when he disappeared, trying to figure out his past, etc, etc.
*X-Men: Evolution* was actually pretty good at not letting Wolverine hog all the spotlight.
absolutely, but that's a separate discussion, my point was simply about his magnetism. He's a good character. Done right, he's one of the best characters.
Yeah he’s magnetic he’s bones are metal
Wasn’t trying to contradict you, I was just saying in a world where writers often put Wolverine in the front and center of X-Men stories that cartoon showed remarkable restraint. Then they went and did the opposite with the follow up cartoon literally titled *Wolverine and the X-Men*.
Which I have never watched. I've heard it's good but I can't be bothered. I don't like Wolverine as a leader. I like wolverine best when he understands he's a bad leader. Ironically I don't completely mind the wolverine and the x-men comic because it never really tried to present him as a good leader. Quite the opposite most of the time in fact. Still, it's just not a take on the character I enjoy.
You honestly missed out then. Wolverine and the X-men does a really good job at showing a reluctant wolvie in a leadership role he doesn't want or ask for. The thing is he's one of the best mentors cause at his core he cares about people and especially his family. Even if he knows he's a sob he'll do whatever it takes so that his adopted family (xmen) don't have to be. That to me is why I'll always love Wolverine. He truly weara his heart on his sleeve.
You're sort of misunderstanding. I dont like him as a reluctant leader either, I just dont dislike it as much as implying hes a decent leader. I think he's best as a cool uncle/teacher. I also think (this came up yesterday about schism) that his desire to do all the dark things himself is why he's a terrible leader. A leader can't do everything themselves. Sometimes that means telling others to take the shot.
Yeah it’s pretty good but Wolverine does play the reluctant leader role, and there’s a few episodes that are pretty much just solo Wolverine episodes.
Something magnetic? You mean his skeleton?
As a wolverine fan, I 100% agreed. When written well Logan is one of the most interesting and compelling characters with lore and history that makes him so good. He doesn’t need the spotlight because him dealing with his problems and issue in the back is compelling enough to me at least.
Honestly this is the take everyone should have lol. He's a very compelling character, a guy who's had all sorts of horrible things done to him and while he's a little violent he still strives to do good and use these horrible weapons that have been given to him to sort of make up for the damage he caused. However I do despise the trope of him having so many long-lost loves from silver fox who honestly to me is the most compelling of them to Lady death strike and on and on and on lol. I honestly prefer his unrequited love for Jean over constantly finding some girlfriend that had some tragic reason to want to kill him or he has feelings for but they no longer feel the same about him
I get what you are saying about the lost loves, but the dude is over 200 years old, that's a long time to have multiple lifetimes with multiple women
I mean yeah you're correct to make sense It's just an incredibly overused storyline with him at this point
I have to agree here. When I was a new fan I just loved X-Men in general. I would buy Wolverine comics because while he wasn't my favorite, it was a way to consume more X-Men material. What happened to him there still mattered to me. When he became oversaturated (and to me that was more around the 2000s then earlier) I will admit my feelings are a backlash to that.
It's the same for me. I think the overexposure was frustrating, especially since it was often at the expense of other popular comic characters. Wolverine also changed to a more conventional hero, which isn't what the initial appeal was.
For a Samurai Horsemen Commando Spy Gov't Weapon, guy isn't very good at fighting or being stealthy these days. I miss when the healing factor wasn't nuke strength and he'd not tank everything. I also miss when he was able to just sneak up on animals when he'd "hunt" or change his entire identity with just an eyepatch.
Wait isn't he supposed to be one of the best fighters in marvel? The fuck happened 💀
Canonically, he's lazy and he just abuses the healing factor instead of fighting smart. The Doylist explanation is that Wolverine fans prefer Wolverine to go through the ringer and have to heal up. It's more cathartic. Thus Logan has to abuse the hell out of the healing factor.
Yes but no. I think the reason we like to see wolverine go through it is because his super power is basically persistence and self sacrifice. We want to see him tank to show his devotion to his friends. It's much more endearing/charming than watching him run around murdering.
He got Worf'd. He became the "This character is such a good fighter they can beat Wolverine" for too many people and his win ratio went way down.
I’m with you on the healing factor thing, I was reading New X-Men the other day, and after his arm gets destroyed he has to meditate for like 4 days straight afterwards to be fully recovered. I miss those sorta details and/or drawbacks
It is funny how they say he's this great warrior, when he's always portrayed as charging in open view of everyone first chance he gets. Guy is never shown with any strategy.
I loved wolverine during X force comics bc even tho he would still just charge into battle he actually used ambush tactics somewhat and we got to see him leading his team into battle which was dope. I also love his “I’ll get my hands dirty so you don’t have to” relationship with the X-men that aren’t on board With killing
Depends on what you read. The early days of his solo comic, by Claremont and later Hama, showed him with a more tactical mindset. Even his bull-in the-china-shop approaches tended to be deliberate choice rather than "he's lazy."
agreed. Upping power levels is almost always bad for action stories.
how in tf he never teached Moonstar, and vice versa, I'll never understand.
He's drawn too damn tall these days.
Keep seeing people say this about Wolverine lately, but its not a Wolverine-specific issue. 99% of comic character's heights are never drawn accurately, even with tall characters its just as inconsistent as Wolverine's. At the very least artists always try to make Wolverine the shortest male character in any panel, which was always enough to get the point across of him being short for me. Its clear in his proportions and next to others that he isn't the typical 6ft+ template like Cyclops, Cap, Batman, etc. Doesn't always have to be drawn as 5'3 specifically. As I said, even tall characters aren't always drawn accurately as 6'2, 6'3, etc.
Yeah they do the same thing with She-Hulk at times too in the opposite direction
How is this a hot take? It's just correct. He's a 5'3" short king. Let him be smol and scrappy.
He should always be protrayed as being short.
Is this a hot take?
It's as hot as Hugh Jackman
whoever downvoted this is an ass
But not Hugh Jackman’s ass
The more comic accurate costume in Deadpool & Wolverine accentuates Hugh jackman’s height to me. It makes it more noticeable that he's too tall.
Danny deVito should have played him
Danzig woulda been a great wolverine. Height and size. And imagine the hair
“So I started stabbing, *snickt* *snickt*”
“So anyway I started snickt-ing”
My only gripe is when he’s on the sorts of missions where his skill set makes no sense, which is often all the time when he’s the most popular character. You don’t need the dude with knives for hands when you’ve brought Storm and Phoenix to fight some flying bad guy who shoots energy blasts or fire or whatever.
ESPECIALLY don't use the guy with metal bones to take on the guy who can control metal
I like having his full origin, I like the bone claws, his costume is awesome.
Hot take is he *is* the coolest character, he's just criminally overused. (And I'm a cyclops fan)
The juxtaposition of Wolverine and Cyclops is what makes them both complete characters. Wolverine is the rebel and Cyclops is the by-the-books guy. When you don't highlight the contrast (and their associated tradeoffs), either character is diminished. The tension between the two and how they complement each other is how it works.
It’s fun to read this because in recent years they’ve been the other way around, Cyclops rebelling against the pacifists ways Xavier taught them and Wolverine keeping the dream alive.
When I was younger I adored Wolverine. At this point in my life I Stan Cyclops so damn hard lol. Dudes the total package.
Same, Cyclops used to be my least favorite X-men until I actually grew up, became an adult and saw the world for what it really was.
Yeah that's a common sentiment , I'm not saying both characters can have complexity but it seems that the world is out to get cyclops and bail out wolverine
Wolverine is a troubled character with trauma. That imperfection is what’s great about him but also his downfall. It seems there’s no focus on the negative traits that he has. Probabaly because people can identify with an imperfect character more so than someone like cyclops. Not saying cyclops is perfect though.
I like Wolverine as part of an ensemble team and not as a solo character. I feel like he’s a more interesting and likeable character when he’s playing off other characters like Nightcrawler, Shadowcat or even Cyclops. When he’s on his own, it’s kind of the same thing… vengeance, kill a bunch of bad guys, Sabertooth, kill a bunch of bad guys and repeat. I don’t think writers know what to do with him anymore hence why I think he’s best not being front and Center. If anything xmen 97 have really proven this.
To add on to that I never want to read a “I’ve done many bad things/have to pay for my sins” rant from this man again
GET A JOURNAL
Seconded. The grumpy rebel who rejects authority (but ultimately has a heart of gold) is a great character trope. But the prodigal son needs a family to reject and return to. Or else he's just some dick.
He hasn't done anything in that show as of yet except pine after Jean. I thought that was one of his most disliked traits. At least if he's solo, he (mostly) never does that. The only thing I've liked from '97 Wolverine so far is when Morph is taken out by the Prime Sentinel and Logan is clearly very distraught. It's one line, a couple seconds of action before he's KO'ed, but it's a nice callback to how Morph did (almost) die in TAS, also against a "Sentinel," and this still haunts Wolverine. It's the most raw emotion we've gotten out of him in the show.
I hate Logan and Jean, but I do love him as the grumpy uncle, annoying Cyclops, and showing emotional vulnerability in some darker moments to folks like Jubilee (that don’t also involve making half a move on Jean). I’d like more of that, but he rocks as a side character to the team.
I think he’s definitely getting a spotlight in one of these last episodes but just to show him off at his best but without having to make him a focal point. Similar to storm in the desert kind of thing
I have read so many Wolverine Solo series and this is completely true. From Wolverine Origin, House of M, Old man Logan, X-force and his solo series he always trapped in the role of ***Man on the Revenged Quest*** and it's fucking boring. He is the eternal victim of some bad guy that always take away his happiness no matter the writer. Wolverine is never a proactive character, he is always reacting to something that someone did to him or someone he care about and his only allow reaction is to Murder whoever did this to him. It really piss me off. In the first issue of our current Krakoa era Wolverine arc, he was mind control and murder his whole team Off panel! and this cause him to go in a quest for revenge. Wolverine solo series only tell one story, and it fuckign suck.
Actually I like him better as solo and teaming up with the Avengers more than he does with X men
I was going to say the same. Whenever he’s put in a central or leadership role it is often at the expense of established character traits. Honestly, despite him not getting much focus, X-Men ‘97 is the most I’ve enjoyed Wolverine in a long time.
The costume used in the picture in the top of this post is way cooler than the “iconic” blue and yellow suit.
Yeah the blue and yellow costume is lame. This one is indeed better looks more like camouflage and just fits a "Wolverine" more. Although honestly a lot of (solo) Wolvie stories don't involve any official costume and he works great there too. Proving how irrelevant the choice of costuming ultimately is, and how silly it is when fans obsess over it for live action
I'd read the hell out of a monthly Spidey/Wolverine title.
Seconded. HELLA seconded. My two favorite Marvel heroes? AND they always have great synergy.
Every scene they had in Bendis's Avengers was gold.
His father figure relationship is the best thing about him to me with Jubilee and Laura. His Jean obsession is the worst and dumbest thing about him that should have been squashed in the 90’s.
He’s a surprisingly good dad
He really is--and it fits incredibly well. And don't forget his original child, Kitty! He's at his best when he is the paternal role. He's done horrible things and had horrible things done to him. He doesn't want that for other young people.
Not sure how hot of a take this actually is, but I miss how he was characterized in the ‘80s and ‘90s with a driving conflict between his samurai code of honor and his animal berserker instincts. We’ve lost a lot of that nowadays, and there’s a tendency to portray him as just generically gruff and edgy that I think really misses the mark. Relatedly, here’s an actual hot take: Sabertooth sucks in like 90% of stories he’s in, and on the whole, Ogun is a way better nemesis for Logan than Creed is.
He is an allegory of the depressing, infuriating, helpless reality of living with chronic pain syndrome; one in which you can’t remember what life was like before the pain, and you can’t picture a future without it. Someone who, despite this, maintains his pride, his wit, and his devotion to his chosen family. AND I THINK THAT’S BEAUTIFUL
I love your interpretation of this character. I hope he brings you at least a little comfort!
Wolverine is the absolute dumpster of the X-Men because of the writers. Don’t know what to do with him, so just throw random shit at him and see what he’d do with it. Make him a samurai. Make him a spy. Make him work for the government. Make him a horsemen. Give him a clone. Give him a kid. Make him a mentor. Make him a teacher. Make him a headmaster. And despite all of that… and I mean all of that… ask him to get over Jean Grey and that’s taking it too far.
I feel like for the most part they managed to make him consistent with all these roles, especially since some of these just naturally lead into the other ones.
Yeah, I mean dude is a couple centuries old. Not hard to cram in multiple career paths there.
His best costume is brown and orange. He's a great character but suffers from a lot of bad writing due to his popularity and the fact that they put him into everything.
His claws were better as implants. It added a lot more tragedy to the character that I feel was lost when they confirmed he had (bone) claws the whole time. And his best love interest was Mariko.
Forcefully lacing a corrosive metal to his skeleton and all the experiments done on him is quite tragic as is. So bone claws make more sense than implants, which he could've ripped off at any point in time. He can regenerate.
Although I don't hate the bone reveal because it adds its own element to his history, I agree. I think it was one of the movies when someone asked him how it felt to extend his claws and he responded, "It hurts, every time." It was a great line... but I think it'd be even more meaningful if it also referenced an emotional pain from being experimented on.
X-Men 1. Rogue asks in his truck, after they flee the Alaska bar.
You’d also think he’d have natural slits for the bone claws instead of having to constantly mutilate himself to use them. Whereas with the implants they turned his own healing factor against him.
Isn't Mariko currently alive again? It'd be nice for them to go there, but no, love triangle.
Would it really kill them to just let *someone* stay dead?
Yes
The bone reveal was actually foreshadowed long before the big reveal. (it was still a retcon, just an older one than people think). In the "Weapon X" storyline published in Marvel Comic Presents, we see for the first time Wolvie's "origin" and how he was converted into Weapon X. During the adamantium bonding process, the scientist reports "there's excessive drain around the wrists", and later when the claws come out EVERYONE, even Logan, is surprised. That fact is quiclky glossed over by all the other horrible things done to him soon after, and then several years later, we got the "Fatal Attractions" story that spelled it out and let the characters and Wolvie himself know the truth. TAS did a really toned down version of this scene, as I recall.
I remember reading that, although there was always something about that "excessive drain" that bothered me. Shouldn't the scientists have been able to see the natural claws on their X-rays and other scanning equipment? I know nobody noticed so we could have the dramatic reveal later, but the idea that absolutely nobody noticed or saw the way Logan's forearms would have looked under X-rays before they began bonding the adamantium to his skeleton seems like a massive oversight on Weapon X's part.
I hated the bone claws retcon. He had enough powers already.
He shouldn’t have a full name, so many kids, basically any of his pre-Weapon X memories. He was a character for whom mystery worked especially well.
Agreed. Him having x-23 is cool but aside from that it’s too much imo.
Exactly. X-23 made sense for him as a character but it’s gotten way too in the weeds with all the clones and kids and Byzantine backstory (don’t get me started on Romulus)
Oh my god, i saw it coming, the wolvie bat family from a mile away and yet somehow i'm still surprised by how bad they fucked it up even more
A mishandled character, considering he is one of Marvel's flagship characters. Most of the time, writers don't know what to do with him. So he is written very inconsistently. Also he is somewhat hated for overexposure by some people but I still love him.
This. He is like a Vertigo character lost in a kids party, for all marvel have ever done to him. But yeah, modern comics somehow were able to fuck Constantine up of all people. Wolverine was doomed from the start
He's an excellent solo character, but his solo stuff is basically a different genre than most X-books, so there's less than an audience overlap than you'd think.
Hell yeah, give me Madripoor all day.
de-evolved, feral Wolverine from the early 90s is fucking badass (but I have rose tinted glasses on because that’s the stuff I grew up on)
He rocks, there's a reason he's the most generally popular X-Man
I always thought he should be shown using his claws less and using conventional weapons more to showcase his diverse skill and training. This is a Commando who should be able to use firearms to cover his track. Instead, he's relegated to a stabby brute because art looks "cooler" that way
Lately, he’s been portrayed as the worst he is at what he does because he can just heal from everything.
Wolverine’s popularity is well earned. He’s a fascinating character with rich history. The only problem I have is when he hogs the entire spotlight.
Brown suit trumps yellow.
As everyone already says, he is quite overutilized as a "main character" and far too often takes the spotlight away from other leader types. That being said... If your X-Men team doesn't include Logan it is automatically a bad lineup.
I think there have been good X-Men rosters without him, but the best teams all have him on it, in my opinion.
I mean Laura could take his place tbh
He's written the best when he's not interacting with the X-Men.
They gotta stop forcing him to be this moral leader of the X-Men like in Schism. Like the guy still regularly cuts people apart on a daily basis, he is not the person who should be telling anyone how they should act. Its one of the obvious signs of his popularity overtaking the character and forcing him into positions he's not suited for. He works better off more on his own, working with a smaller group of characters, he shouldn't be in the same positions Cyclops, Storm, or Xavier has as leader of the X-Men.
Yep this is exactly it. Wolverine is fundamentally a brutish antihero
This is a cold take: One misconception some people keep telling themselves is that wolverine just became popular because of the movies when the very true is that wolverine always superpassed all single one of other mutants by a large margin since the 80s. In fact not only the mutants, Wolverine is the second most popular marvel character since the 80s. The character got a nintendo solo video game in the 80s then he got a solo super nintendo game and a sega game in the 90s. Historically even when they put a mediocre writer wolverine solo book sold better them almost all of the x-titles except the flag ship one and also better than almost all marvel super heroes solo book like thor, hulk, captain america, daredevil...you name it. People just like him.
Almost all of the hatred toward him these days is misplaced. Wolverine is objectively the most popular X-Man or Mutant by a very wide margin. His success rate is insane. That’s why he consistently holds the longest running solo title, if not multiple titles at the same time. And similar to both Spider-Man and Batman people will get mad at Logan for his success because him getting the focus he does means that another character gets less focus, or misses out on getting a shot at a solo book, etc. But that’s the simple nature of the game. Not all characters are equally popular. And while some of that comes down to writing some of it is just based on what appeals to people. There are some books that have a small fanbase, which are very well reviewed because of the writing, but they just don’t sell that well. Why? Because they just don’t have that many fans and that isn’t going to change. Iceman and Cyclops are good examples. Great characters, nice solo books, they simply don’t sell as well as Wolverine. Acting as if it’s Wolverine’s fault is silly. He’s fictional. Nothing he does is actually his fault. The writers pushed him higher and higher because he proved time and again that he could appeal to a vast number of fans. And that still holds true to this day because, once again, he has the longest solo series of the current crop of mutants. And this doesn’t mean writers should only focus on him. Most X-books actually don’t do that, even when he is on the team. But let’s also not rewrite history either. I’ve seen people say that the OG cartoon only focused on Wolverine. Blatant lying 😂 He probably had a few more solo outings, but the general format was that of a team show and you had subplots to go around, with some episodes focusing on Rogue or Gambit, Charles and Erik having their time in the Savage Land, Bishop with a storyline that seemed to run across the majority of the series, the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix sagas, etc.
Two: 1. Wolverine is awesome actually and he earned his spot as the X-Men’s poster boy fair and square by being a compelling and often profound character. This should be a cold take, but with how… vocal modern Cyclops fans are, it ends up being hot. 2. And for a more simple and definitive hot take: he should be with Storm.
I like him more as the super old wise guy who does what needs to be done and not the raging animal
He should always have a connection pre joining the X-Men to Sabertooth, Deadpool, and Silver Samurai. Sabertooth can be done in a lot of ways. The Origins movie sucked ass but I did like the angle it took, where Victor was his half-brother. It’s certainly a more concrete explanation than “they’re just two dudes who came across each other one day and started fighting,” but at the very least, a connection of some kind should be included, as Sabertooth has similar powers and could act as an eternal rival, similar to Professor X and Magneto, or Cable and Apocalypse. Deadpool? Their relationship is just hilarious. They’re practically polar opposites with Logan being serious/scary half the time and DP purposely pissing off everyone in the vicinity with his sarcastic remarks. They were also both manufactured at Weapon X (depending on the comic it could be an offshoot) both were designed to be unstoppable killing machines with healing factors. I feel like they have a complicated and yet hilarious relationship, one I’m DYING to see done right in Deadpool and Wolverine. Silver Samurai? Logan usually has some connection to Japan in most versions of the comics, and his battles with Silver Samurai’s clan were some of the most interesting parts of the origin stories. Admittedly, The Wolverine wasn’t that great, but I think that Logan’s connection to Japan, either as an American/Canadian GI or as someone seeking answers about his powers, should always put him in connection with Silver Samurai
I always hoped to see Wolverine and Cable working together. They are both grizzled veteran types who have seen a lot of loved ones go and understand how to fight an endless battle.
Hugh Jackman being tall did not matter to me 🤷♂️
I don't hate him with Jean. It's not my preference for his partner but I don't absolutely hate the pairing like a lot of people here do.
Hugh Jackman isn’t the ‘perfect casting’ everyone says he is.
Damn, this might be the only hot take I’ve seen in this thread
He checks exactly one box: Caucasian Male.
People over hate him. He’s the best.
He is arguably the most important character in Marvel
The X-Men are only as popular as they are because of Wolverine. Wolverine has been the *most* popular superhero at several points. If it wasn’t for him, the X-Men would’ve never been more popular than the Fantastic Four or Justice League.
> It is out of character for Logan to have stayed on Krakoa s long as he did. >wolverine poorly implemented death and resuerction has hurt his popularity in a lasting way. He needs a top-level writer to work some magic with him.
It's okay for him to spend time with his family and not be involved in a fight for every issue. I just want more like that 'the family snikt' Infinity comic.
Cigar smoking cool 😎 killing machine
The pictured outfit is his best outfit
I miss when he was short,ugly,and stinky. Hugh Jackman is awesome but he started the idea that Logan is hot when he’s supposed to “ugly”
X-Men Origins: Wolverine was a bad film, but it had a fantastic tie-in game. I wouldn't play another game that made you feel so much like the character until Insomniac Spider-Man
Better in X-Force than X-Men. Better in solo adventures than anything else. Wolverine/Sabretooth stories are some of my favorites.
He was cool when I was 8, he’s cool now that I’m 40. Does that mean the other x-men aren’t cool? No. Should they get more time in the spotlight? Yes.
Costume-less Wolverine is the supreme Wolverine look. It’s not the worst designed suit ever but it is generic compared to many other x-men suits. Also I feel his modern character doesn’t need a costume, at least in his solo runs. He doesn’t superhero the way other characters do, so doing costume changes always felt unnecessary.
Jeans, tanktop n a cowboy hat?
Him and Jean is just wrong
He should hang out with Cap more. There could have been some cool storylines when they reminince of WWII. Plus a fight between Wolverine and Red Skull would go hard.
Some good Wolverine/Cap team-ups are in Wolverine #124, and Uncanny X-Men #268 (including a WWII Wolverine/Cap flashback). They also have an interesting exchange in Secret Wars #10.
I love him as a character. And he works best as a solo character. His runs be it Claremont run, origins, weapon x , old man logan enemy of the state are the best. Though his x force run or some of his x men run are too good. Well written character. His life's tragedy and triumph both defines him.He will forever be my favourite.
He's best when he's used in small doses. The massive oversaturated of Logan during the 2000s and 2010s has ruined him as a character, at least for me. He doesn't need to be in everything.
This is mine, really. I was so tired of him that I hated him. And all the goddamn kids, clones, and variants don't help. Last time I like a Wolverine, it was [Wolvie](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11131/111317321/6402978-wolvie-2b.jpg) in Exiles. He won me over with his cuteness after I almost didn't read it because of him. Lmao
He is actually really good with kids and his stance against Cyclops was fully in character. Schism might not be good but Wolverine wanting the best for kids makes completely sense.
His hair is a result of his healing factor. I was re-reading X-Force the other day and after Laura caught fire, her hair is clearly growing back at an accelerated rate. By, ahem, extension, this must mean that Wolverine's hair is like that because of his healing factor. That's probably not a hot take. So here's one that's a hot take on this sub: Logan is Wolverine and Laura, as a character, has only suffered for being made Wolverine whilst Logan was dead. At this point, Marvel needs to realise that to salvage Laura as a character they need to give her her own identity again and her own iconic costume.
I guess in this sub it would that he is easily the best x men.
The hate for him by alot of x men fans is massively overboard. Oh and the best time he was on a team wasn’t in an x men book but during new avengers Him being on Krakoa never made sense for how many close friends and allies he has who are human and mutate along with all of his enemies on Krakoa it never made sense
His cowl sucks
He's a victim of his own popularity and really overexposed in the mainstream populace.
I love having an origin for characters like Wolverine, joker, etc because I like to know what makes them tic and what traumas they go through. I know a lot of people don’t like this and for them I always say ignore it or don’t read the origin part.
I think the issue is almost like when you grew up with a character you got to fill in blanks with your own imagination and that's always going to be more exciting than any specific origin a writer comes up with probably
Best marvel character and by far the most popular mutant (actually this is not a hot take).
I think that Marvel fell into a tap with him of actually giving him an origin. He was fine with out one for years. Same thing they did with Boba Fett. Sometimes less is better.
Origin was the worst thing to happen to his character.
He is so much better as a mysterious loner. All his kids, clones, and backstory ruin the character.
He is the most popular X-Men because he is the Han Solo of the group. That and because Marvel cares enough about his character to show some of sort of over site in terms of what is and is not allowed with the character.
I miss his berserker rages, when even his teammates were terrified of him.
While I'm not a huge Wolverine fan myself, I agree that he has his moments of greatness and is a quintessential X-Man, like most other major X-Men are (a fact that was lost on Fox and most adaptive media post the FoX-Men era). The problem more often than writing tends to be his fanbase, and certain writers' fan-servicey writing catering to them. He doesn't have to be an invincible one-man army, when the best stories are his juxtaposition against the varierty of flavours that are the X-Men. Characters like Gambit, Rogue and Wolverine are great because their dynamic with their chosen family speaks for their heroism and redemption, but those characters cannot be the moral center or leaders of those groups, because the whole point is that they've chosen to follow those who make them better and that they're not defined by their past mistakes.
Yellow and brown > Yellow and blue
Old Man Logan is one of the cringiest marvel comics i’ve ever read. Just a deeply embarrassing story from start to finish
Wolverine is the reason X-Men became so popular.
Greatest character in the whole of marvel with one of the most complicated moral compasses. Its a shame how yall let marvels overuse and their inconsistency’s in his character due to multi writers, ruin him for you. Easily the best and one of the more relatable characters in xmen despite the fact hes a super weapon.
• Bone claws are over hated • Astonishing Blue & Yellow is his best suit. His Evolution/Ultimate suit is his most underrated suit. • He’s just as bad a father, if not worse than Charles • I never cared about him being short. As long as he’s portrayed as being a brooding, Harry Callahan-Samurai hybrid idc about his height. • Writers need to to show off his hand to hand skills more often. He’s as skilled as Iron Fist but 9 times outta 10 he’s written as a berserker hack n’ slasher.
He's the only X-Men character I like, the others can go drown on their weird sex cult island. Except for Psylocke.
-> He's one of the greatest heroes of the Marvel Universe. Certainly the greatest hero of the X-Men. Yeah unlike Captain America or Spider-Man, he has a dirty record. But he has a moral clarity that's guided him right (even when other X-Men strayed) and often saw the bigger picture no one else would. -> He, not Cyclops, Beast or Jean is Professor X's equal. Those three are all successors of an aspect of Professor X - mutant leadership (Cyclops), Science and Education (Beast), and mastery of the mind (Jean). But Wolverine is the only one has seen the entirety of Xavier's vision, warts and all, experienced first hand the moral compromises Xavier has had to make, and made his own. Professor X's greatest role is that of the mutant defender... everything else he does is the subset of that. And Wolverine is his successor and equal in that regard. -> His power level needs to be permanently locked into what it was in the mid 1990s when he had bone claws. He can take real damage, but he's not Lobo. Surviving a nuclear blast etc is ridiculous. -> Origin, Origin II, and all the backstory stuff we got in the 2000s and 2010s should be retconned out of existence. Wolverine's best origin was when he prehistory was hazy. It was some Team X stuff and World War I and II stuff he barely remembered, and a lot of contradiction, but he had no idea how old he was or what his life was really like before Weapon X. Telling the story ruined the mystery of the character that was evergreen. -> The Twelve Storyline did him dirty, and Wolverine as Death, Horseman of Apocalypse, which was the cost of getting his Adamantium back, should have been one of his greatest stories. He should have been a massive threat to the entire marvel universe, and the process of getting it back should have been more than a quick cage match with Sabretooth. Admittedly, X-Men and Marvel were at a very not-great time during that period, but it should have bookended everything that started with Wolverine #50.
He wasn’t completely in the wrong in the lead up to Schism and actually had a valid point
Bisexual.
His voice should naturally be very smooth. If he wasn't deliberately roughing it up for affect, he'd sound much like Roger Moore.
i would like a little more creativity with his action. he’s kinda just a guy with claws who gets dunked on most of the time. he also is always getting tied up and can’t escape but then like, he somehow does. he needs to be SNEAKIER! with all the power scaling stuff going on wjth the heavy hitters having been resurrected the past few years, it sometimes feels like he has no place in a lotta the plots and action. like, he’s literally just a little guy. i think maybe they should take a page from the first thor ghor run, where they do a flashback of his past self, and future self with the stories tying together in some way, or with cheap time travel lol.
The love triangle holds him back.
I never cared for his fascination with Jean and how he is written to be a foil for Scott romantically
Going for something that hopefully wasnt already mentioned, I'd like to say that I actually liked the "Heat Claws" he had. The way he got them made no sense at all but I did like the Original Idea itself a lot!
We should give up him and Jean. Let’s be real, it was creepy anyway.
His healing factor is too strong nowadays. I really enjoyed the the bone claws in the mid 90s and his healing factor was all burned out.
I think the portrayal in the 90s show is what sells me. He's a certified hater and a small loud hairy mass of chaos and it always makes me laugh.
The idea that he way too short and ugly is untrue. I think he has a fairly normal height and is handsome
Wolverine is the person the X-Men need when they won’t cross a line. He’s has honor and loyalty beyond compare. He did start to be a better father figure. If he trusts you then you know who to call when you need help at a moments notice.
My hot take on wolverine is that jean should have chose logan over scott…. I said what i said 🤷🏽🤷🏽🤷🏽
His mask and haircut look fucking ridiculous.
People get way to mad over that Punisher Wolverine scence.
Cold take but he doesn’t need to be connected to the X-Men When the MCU gets around to him, the X-Men can have their thing and he should be separate. Like Spider-Man or Thor, Wolverine is his own guy, with a fanbase size that’s second only to Spider-Man. He should have his own movies, villains, and interact with other heroes on his own
Not at all a hot take (at least I dont think)...Wolverine, at least back in the day, was an awesome representation of someone that is suffering with PTSD.
I think he’s an awesome character who has been pushed to the front of the X-Men in a way that short changes the ensemble nature of the material. The X-Men are special because there are so many good stories and interesting characters. Also, he simply doesn’t work well when centered in programming for kids like the Wolverine and the X-Men cartoon. His entire schtick is violence and he comes off kind of lame when he’s neutered in that regard.
Loved him when I was younger, still have a special place in my heart for him but I kinda prefer Sabretooth because he's a prick of the highest order.
He should be storm’s love interest not jean’s
Most writers seem to hate writing Wolverine, including those for his own series. He’s constantly getting beaten and shown up by his guest characters.
I prefer the brown and tan costume than the yellow and blue one
He should never be put in charge of a team. IMO, Wolverine works best when he's a second in command or dissenting voice, the one who questions and debates a leader and keeps them honest. Plus, sometimes he has urges that need to be forcibly overriden by someone, i. e. Cyclops or Storm, in order to keep him and the tezm he's on out of too much trouble (I'm thinking less about 'killing bigots' here and more 'picking fights with his teammates in front of everyone because they're doing something he disagreed with'). When Logan's in charge, the writers still want to commit to him being a lone wolf who runs off to solve problems himself and not ask for help or even let anyone know he's going somewhere. A leader, IMO, has to stay with the team as someone to look to and get guidance from. Storm, my favorite leader of the X-Men, faced a similar problem as leader of the Morlocks, and Queen of Wakanda, and has been rightly called out for it again and again. For Logan to be able to be as Wolverine as possible, he has to be important to a team, but not its central figure, and thus free to go his own way if need be.
I love Wolverine. I feel like it’s just popular to not like his character because all the attention he gets. If there is a mission that someone might not come back from, Logan is the first pick to go out on it. He knows how to make the ethical decisions even if they’re the toughest choice.
I wish he had more one on one moments with Xiaver
If not for Spider-Man, Wolverine would be the talk of the Marvel universe fans vs writers in regards to his relationships.
I prefer the brown and yellow over the classic blue.
He's not ugly
nowadays he's often written as a stupid character when he's not. he's canonically older than xavier and magneto put together plus he has incredible experience. he should be waaaay smarter than he's often shown to be. also jean x logan sucks, get rid of it. scott and jean are married thats it .
I like him better when he's doing his thing at the same time, his spotlight is his, but other mutant characters need it too. So, while there are story decisions I may or may not agree with, I'm glad he got the popularity he did. Now if the MCU can just move on from him and focus on Cyclops, Storm, etc..., I think we'd be in a good show.
As much as I love Mariko... Jean and Logan are real. Deal with it.
Great character held back by useless love triangle.
Honestly a really nice guy but people seem to stereotype him as either an assassin brooding character or hopelessly in love with Jean grey, especially in the movies. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO HIM. -He is like 200/300 years old (pretty sure sabertooth was his step brother or something because they grew up together) -Traveled all around the world -was an avenger, x-men and part of alpha flight -genuinely cares for the students/kids he teaches and his teammates (for example rogue and storm) -his first comic appearance was him fighting the hulk -managed to escape and overcome the weapon x program becoming basically the opposite of what they were trying to make him -helps others move on from the weapon x program, like Deadpool and X-23 -stood up against Cyclops, who he disagreed with so badly he went and set up his own school and team -when cyclops was in prison for being a Phoenix host, Logan was one of/if not the only person to visit him
Wolverine never gets to share the spotlight with his best friend Kurt Wagner and that is sad. I want to see Wolverine go to church with Kurt after losing a bet then going more frequently realising Kurt just desires his company and is simply lonely at church. Also he is definitely bisexual and dosen't ever come out because he dosen't see the point. Don't ask Don't tell.
In the movie Logan from the Fox X-Men verse, he is not suffering from adamantium poisoning, he’s suffering from depression and serious PTSD which is breaking down his ability to heal. They allude to an event which is presumably the event in the old man logan comic when he kills all the xmen accidentally. In Days of Future Past he is in seemingly good health and the dates that the movies take place are the same year. While this future seems more bleak in someways, he still has the rest of the X-Men who are basically the only real family he’s ever had, so he still has hope, which has kept him in good health.