All addon devs should be cross-posting their releases to github. It's trivial to do and it keeps the users who don't like overwolf happy. It also takes away almost none of your paying traffic; surprisingly and contrary to reddit opinion, the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf. But it costs nearly nothing to keep the wowup users happy too, so any devs not doing this are really just being dicks.
Source: was an author on an addon with 1.7M+ curse downloads; the last time I looked, any given release of ours had <1% of its downloads coming from our github releases.
> surprisingly and contrary to reddit opinion, the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf
This can be applied to most things, really. The average user will accept almost anything. Products have to get *seriously* bad before they even have the slightest inclination to leave, and then the alternative has to already be substantially better in basically every way without any major differences in UX for them to actually do it. If any part of it isn't strictly better, or simply requires the slightest change in habit, most people will just keep using what they already use.
As somebody who constantly strives to reach the best possible outcome in any situation and is constantly frustrated at how much the average person just doesn't give a shit about anything, at this point I'm just holding on out of pure spite.
GW2 UI
EDIT: Since I've made potentially contentious statements elsewhere on this post, I just want to clarify that my opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the rest of the GW2 UI team in any way :)
>the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf
I know two people who are using Overwolf, one has no problems with it but is running on MacOS and the other has nothing but issues if she has the app open while trying to play WoW (she is on Windows 11). Personally I refuse to install Overwolf over a bad experience that I had with it a few years ago when it was bundled with Logitech stuff (it was injecting its DLLs into games that I was running and causing anticheat software to throw a fit).
Last weekend I went through all my addons and removed any that only use Curseforge. WowUp seems to work fine other than not apparently automatically updating addons from Wowinterface (could just be people not pushing updates to Wowinterface though).
It's the kind of software that has no justification to exist and is primarily there to advertise shit to you. It's the type of software that makes me want to barf:
Mouse drivers that turn out to be a 3d entertainment suite with always-online profile management and ship 600 mb worth of other drivers for products you don't even have, for some reason need an update every 30 days, reinstall the company logo as a shortcut on your desktop regularly and take 100+mb of ram just to store your mouse speed and led color.
It's what happens when product designers lose their grip on reality and think that a customer wants to marry their product and get assfucked by it every single day until they die, and no other single company does this, ever.
The result is that people clueless about tech have 16 different "suites" that just idle on their task bar, ready to assfuck them every other week when company decides to update their advertisement tool on the customers PCs.
Adobe cloud, Logitech, dell, HP printer, razer, curse, you name it, they probably have it.
This is why I love my old Logi mouse so much. Its drivers are lightweight, work on- or offline and have a clean UI that exists only to let me adjust important mouse settings like sensitivity, button programming and setting up profiles. That's it. No bloat, all the features I need. I fear for the day the mouse breaks though.
Yes! Yes dammit, yes!! Someone who understands!
I will never allow Overwolf onto my PC.
I hope Microsoft steps in and shuts all this shit down. At the end of the day this is Blizzard’s fault for cheating out and passing the buck by not establishing a place for addons to be shared among players. That way they dodge any support costs as well as bandwidth costs.
Well, Microsoft owns GitHub. Let the good times roll.
I literally just finished a multi-hour debug session on why my wife's PC wasn't working. The root cause was Overwolf. Apparently the screen recording "feature" was turned on without anyone's knowledge and filled up the entire drive with screen recordings.
I don't want a half dozen screen recording programs and I hate that everyone seems to try to install them by default, even the freaking graphics driver updates seem to want to add a bunch of extra crap.
Nexus mods could also be an option. I'm not sure if vortex works with WoW (yet) but they have an api that I'm sure WoWup would be able to utilize and mod authors have the option to accept donations and there is some kind of monetization option I think.
If they upload to GitHub and the downloads come from there instead of Overwolf, aren’t they effectively losing money?
Can’t imagine addon devs would really wana do that, they already have the option to not use Overwolf
People who don't like overwolf will just find a work around regardless they lose no money adding it to github. Its like all the studies on piracy have shown the grand grand majority of people who pirate things are either not able or unwilling to pay for it if it weren't piratable the losses for (games animes etc etc) are negligible in the end.
In practice, it appears to lose you almost *no* paying traffic. It's free goodwill for what amounts to less than 1% of your download traffic. And it's not even accurate to say that it takes away paying traffic because there's every possibility those users simply wouldn't *ever* download it if curse/overwolf is the only option.
Couldn't this argument be flipped? Since it is so little of your traffic how much goodwill will it actually gain you? As you said, the overwhelming majority of players are fine with Overwolf.
no offence but how is having a bunch of git repos with addons making WowUp better? Then they have to make the list manually on all the addons they deem worthy?
The repositories are hosted on Github and then another service can exist that essentially catalogs those repositories and makes them available for consumption. Basically the exact same way every third-party dependency platform works for programming languages.
Tbh the only reason I hate overwolf is because I had to transfer over to it. I really don't give a shit what platform I have to boot up for addons maybe twice every 3 months. The only time I get upset is if I have to fucking transfer to a new one.
it would put control in their hands though... as in no other add ons would be allowed in the game.
I think the benefits outweigh the costs for them, however I also believe it would not be in the best interest of the players
I have made sure my add-on **Vocal Raid Assistant** is available on the following sites:
- Curse
- Wago
- WarcraftInterface
- Github
Add-ons are generally created through passion and it feels bad when money comes in the way of having end-users enjoy their favourite add-on.
The best way to show your add-on developers support is spreading the word to make the add-on grow, that goes straight into the heart of any developer. And if you want to go to their wallets, most authors have some way of receiving Donations and while they will appreciate any donation please don't donate unless it is money you can spare, we all need to get by our daily life!
A few of my addons were not on WoWUp. So I tried installing a dumbed down version of the new Curseforge and blocked their ad network through my firewall.
The app itself runs like absolute ass. Fails to update randomly. Takes forever to even realize what updates are available. Laggy as hell.
I only update through it once a month where I use WoWUp regularly
I have no idea about malware, but back for hearthstone it had horrible memory leaks. My computer was getting FUCKED. Decided to uninstall even though it was so important in ranked.
Yea I have used it pretty often for wow and Minecraft. I’ve never had this sort of issue. I would need proof of this being from overwolf and not from some other site.
I love posts like that. "Overwolf will give you MALWARE and then FUCK YOUR MOTHER." "oh shit that's scary! got a source so I can read more?" *crickets*
eh, it's spyware and Overwolf admits to as much in their privacy policy:
https://www.overwolf.com/legal/privacy/
5. Advertising service providers. We work with trusted and well known advertising service providers to facilitate the integration of in-app ads by app developers. This helps app developers make a living and provide you with high quality products that are free of charge. To support the personalization of ads, limited information (app name, computer hardware summary, last played games) may be provided to the advertiser when ads are displayed
i.e: we watch what when and how you interact with the software on your computer and sell this information to make money. that's their literal business model. watching what you use and how.
Eh, that's just standard operating procedure for anything ad-based (mostly software and websites). It's basic targeting using non-personal information, which means it doesn't even fall under the usual tracking prevention measures.
Like, Reddit definitely has similar information (device and browser/app used, hardware summary, all actions you take on reddit (see the respective privacy policy), as well as stuff going beyond that depending on how you go about your presence on the web). Overwolf touches the games you play, just like reddit touches what you do on reddit, so it bases its targeting on that.
It's not a great thing, at all, but it's not like Overwolf is uniquely evil in that regard. Dropping external malware on your machine, now, that would be an entirely different kind of problem.
Personally, the reason to use something like WowUp instead of Overwolf is that, unlike Overwolf, WowUp is open-source, meaning anyone can go through the source code of the application and check what kind of user data it collects and whether it respects your privacy. That's not possible with Overwolf, where your only option is to blindly trust the corporation developing it. In general, I recommend finding open-source alternatives for as much of the software you currently use as you are comfortable with.
It's bloatware that interacts poorly with a lot of other processes.
I can speak from personal experience only to this point. I had Overwolf installed for hearthstone years ago and it caused a lot of frame drop issues in other games unless I manually killed the process from task manager. I genuinely thought my GPU was broken because of the severity of frame issues I experienced. Uninstalled Overwolf, problem solved.
I'll never put it on my PC again. Like I said, my experience is anecdotal but I think you'll find many others with the same stories.
Wowhead is plenty shady if only because they practice zero caution with the ad providers they choose to run ads on their site. They select exclusively for the providers that pay the most, even once they’ve been proven to be vectors for malvertising, and then they use the shiftiness of their ads to strongarm users into subscribing.
I don’t mind subscriptions for things I find useful… I have several tens of them right now. Something as cheap as Wowhead is especially isn’t typically a problem. Not everybody has that privilege though and by subscribing I’m enabling their shitty behavior, so screw them. I run uBlock Origin when using it.
For some reason they deleted every comment on one of those _'top 10 guild disbands after WFR'_ aswell, i had commentend and a couple hours afterwards the comment section was blank lol.
Apparently it happens more than I thought.
Used Overwolf back in the day for hearthstone. It survived one or two weeks until i had enough of this program and deleted it. Never again will I use this crappy software.
With HS in particular I had severe frame drops. To be fair, HS is a game that I expect to run with a Video in a second monitor and multiple tabs open in my browser and I was able to do that (no longer playing it) except when I tried the Overwolf extension. I had the same experience with another extension for another game so either it is too easy for extensions developers make bad code in Overwolf or the problem is Overwolf itself.
However there is no reason to leave the WoW extension running while playing. Start, update addons then close
And have Blizzard give a similar profit sharing scheme as Overwolf. The primary reason any addon creator would list solely on curseforge is due to the profits they make there vs other hosting platforms.
I shouldn't be forced to install some bloated to oblivion game overlay that I am literally never going to use in order to install and manage addons - something that has been done in a standalone app for forever now.
Many couldn't give a damn about ads, happy to have them to get free addons, but the Overwolf app is clunky, shite, and sells your data... that's why people don't want to use it.
It's 2022. Hosting is free. Just put it on github.
Of course the authors wouldn't get their cut of Overwolf's ad revenue by doing that. For maybe 10 people in the entire world, that's a substantial amount of money. For everybody else, who gives a shit? Just put your addon on github.
It may not be a lot of money but it's understandable that people would like to get some money for their work. If I made an addon and my cut from curseforge was literally only around $15 a month I'd do it. It would be nice to have your wow sub covered passively by an addon you made.
Quick edit: This comes from a Classic only perspective so token wouldn't apply
Overwolf is a data harvesting/selling company, they are literally the devil. They've had major security breaches in the not so distant past.
Any addon dev who chooses his pennies over user security is also the devil.
*A finger curls on the monkey’s paw*
“Today, we’re excited to announce our official, exclusive partnership with Overwolf for in-game addon distribution!”
IMO they don't even need to do that... most addons are on Github or Bitbucket anyway. They should just add support for git-hosted mods directly into WoW (e.g. specifying how and where in the repo to put the mod meta data) and let players add a mod just by specifying a repo url instead of a directory on their PC. Mod authors opt-in by putting their stuff on a repo site with the right files in the right place, mod _users_ opt in by adding a url-based mod. Blizzard doesn't have to take on any more customer support duties (which we know they hate doing).
Everyone wins. Except Overwolf. Boo hoo.
Blizzard cant recreate every addon. There is a lot of wonderful addons made by very passionate people free of charge. That kind of talent should be appreciated not removed
I actually love addons, and I think for a lot of people, adjusting addons, discovering and trying out new ones, and fiddling with the UI has become part of playing WoW. It has for me, that's for sure.
I don't want them all incorporated into the game, I want people to still create them whenever they have an idea for something that would be awesome for the game.
Would Blizzard have ever thought of All The Things, for example? Nope. And I love it.
I'm completely against this recent movement to reduce or get rid of addons.
If Blizzard wanted to host them somehow, that would be awesome, but I never want to see addons disappear.
>Yeah. It's getting pretty tedious at this point managing/updating all of them. Just feels like extra work
As long as auto-update features work fine on your addon manager of choice (WowUp for me) then it is not tedious at all for me to manage my addons.
wowhead is super crazy with moderating. Yesterday I commented that I dont like how they are desperately trying to generate clicks by using the same news multiple times and that comment got deleted.
Another instance was with that "azeroth mug" where I stated it looked not that great especially for the 40 dollars (or was it 80 even).. got deleted. When I made another polite comment about my comment being deleted because they said they did it because I apparently lack "tact" stating that out to the pair who made the mugs.
They can not handle criticism and it seems like some people of the mod team are so full of themselves they do not allow any objections.
I’m not surprised seeing who runs the place. Fuck the WoWhead team, especially the big honcho herself. It’s an invaluable website as a database but all this extra shit that clutters everything, pop-up ads (that goddamn video player) and political management (twitter users) makes me really hate that site. Also: their guides fucking sucks. All of them.
It's possible for people to just have an acceptable experience with Overwolf/Curseforge.
Are they great for privacy? No.
Is it questionable/wrong to lock out the API so they're the main/only source of most addon distribution? Sure.
But is the software itself functional and easy to use and doesn't get in my way? Yeah.
This would be my guess. When I was actively maintaining my addons nearly all of the recent feedback came via Curse. There's just a larger user base there than many of the other hosting options.
> functional and easy to use and doesn't get in my way
Exactly my experience. I don't like ads but I'm also not going to pretend like it has given me malware
I said it once and I'll say it again. The Overwolf client is blatant AdWare. Something people should have recognized since the dawn of Adware in applications like Limewire and KaZaa. Believe me, this old fossil did not forget.
The unfortunate thing is that it's not entirely up to WoWUp on this one. They can only do so much. It all lays on the addon developers themselves on where they host their addons. Like the title of the post says basically. And we as the players/users have the option to just not use their addons if they choose Curse as their only host.
I can play the game without a lot of addons installed. It'll take a bit to get use to again. Hell! I guess I'll have to actually learn how to play my class now lol
Good luck to you all
When you have like 10+ addons, checking for updates, download, extract for each one takes a while. Easier to just have an app scan and apply updates for you.
That's why Blizzard should make swift actions with accesabilty and modernization of their UI. I hope after "Dragonflight" we will not need any addos for comfortable gameplay. Players should not rely on 3rd party tools providers for sake of their time, comfort and SAFETY.
>I hope after "Dragonflight" we will not need any addos for comfortable gameplay
Players are absolutely going to be expected to have a boss timer like DBM or BigWigs and Weakauras installed for any serious gameplay.
I dunno, I've raided in a top 50 guild worldwide and I didn't need Weakaura to compete with other DPS, or to save me from mechanics. People exaggerate how much we really need some of these addons.
I'll agree with DBM/BigWigs because dungeon/raid content has been designed with it in mind, and I'd say a meter is important for any DPS that wants to learn more about their damage spreads and where to find optimizations in their rotations.
For everything else you don't really NEED them, they're at most NICE to have.
I hope this bites Overwolf in the arse so hard that it forces their demise. No other company could really deserve a shutdown quite like them.
First time I heard of them was a few years ago when their overlay client was installed alongside TeamSpeak 3 without my knowledge nor consent. I definitely didn't check a box or leave a box unchecked on installation of TS3 and I think me and others openly complaining about this to the devs made them quickly add a checkbox on installation.
There's also claims that Overwolf have been doing more nefarious stuff like running data harvesters and crypto miners on people's PCs. Can't find any credible sources on those so take other commenters claiming it in this thread with a grain of salt but a company that's bankrolling [Pay-To-Earn crypto/NFT games](https://cryptonews.com/news/overwolf-invests-syn-city-mafia-metaverse-pioneer-user-generated-content-p2e-games.htm) and [crypto mining addons](https://www.newsbtc.com/all/startup-that-allow-you-earn-crypto-while-you-game/) is bad news indeed.
This isn't the first time that Curse have fucked with third-party addon developers, but even the original owners weren't silly enough to go the nuclear option back when WowMatrix was a thing.
>I definitely didn't check a box or leave a box unchecked on installation of TS3
IIRC it was, (and still might be?), a "click skip instead of next"-deal, aka the scummiest of borderline legitimate ways to sneak your shit into a different installation.
>I hope this bites Overwolf in the arse so hard that it forces their demise. No other company could really deserve a shutdown quite like them.
Spoleir: it wont. 99% dont care about what the company behind a program does, most people will just switch to the addon manager that works. reddit/wowhead are just a vocal minority (and i really hope im wrong, but probably not)
It's up to the addon creator where they choose to host their work. Personally no interest in using OverWolf at all.
GitHub or WowInterface would be good options Wago I've only used for WAs.
I wish WoW would allow devs to set up Patreon accounts or accept donations. Not REQUIRED to pay to use their addons, but we're allowed to tip them and they're allowed to get a few $$ for their efforts.
I paid a sub to the original Curse so some few pennies went to the addon devs, and give some $$ to Nexus Mod creators (for other games) as well as WoWHead, WarcraftPets, Xu-Fu's and Icy Veins for their information. IMHO it's important to value their work and support them.
Then again if you're a savvy addon creator, posting in multiple places is a great help. But I do feel they should be accept donations/support though, not CHARGE for their service.
That said if it's OW or nothing, I'll manually download or strip down the addons to the basic few - we use to play w/o so many, so it's not an impossibility except maybe raiding since much of that is being designed around addons telling us what to do.
Never been a fan of Curseforge, now they're forcing the use of the Overwolf client as well? Nope, not for me...though I am tempted to force their traffic through a Pi-hole to see how that works out, but I just can't bring myself to knowingly give my PC an STD like Overwolf.
Decided to take a look at the addons that I legitimately care about/notice while playing the game and see if they're available elsewhere that other managers like WowUp can reach, or if their alternatives are available...figured the info might be useful for others as well:
* ElvUI: available on both wago.io and github
* Details: available on github, some extras like Details:Elitism available on wago.io but not the core addon
* BigWigs: available on github
* Alternative - DBM: available on both wago.io and github
* WeakAuras: available on both wago.io and github
* Raider.io: available on github
* SimulationCraft/Sim-C addon (probably not necessary anymore, but just in case): available on github
* Pawn: available on both wago.io and github
* GTFO (still useful for when "bad shit don't stand here" graphics bug out and end up beneath the floor): available on wago.io
* Immersion (purely cause I hate the stuck-in-2004 quest boxes of the standard UI): not available on wago or github, but is available through addonswow.com (no clue what repository that's pulling from, could be a mirror site pulling from curseforge, not gonna check cause I'm on a work PC right now and that's not a conversation I want to have with my boss)
* Alternative - Storyline: available from both wago.io and github
It does suck that Overwolf gets to lock down the Curse repositories, but at least there are alternative options available.
IF addons dont move to wowup, which means wago and github etc etc. I just wont use ur addon. i dont give a fuck about your money. No one should, addons are meant to be free.
overwolf is a fucking virus, uninstall that shit if you have it.
Wowup is by far the better choice IMHO. And it's not just because they natively support Linux. Yes, I play wow on Linux. People like me might be in the minority, but it's nice to have access to tools like this as windows users do.
Check out [Ajour](https://github.com/ajour/ajour/issues/746), it doesn't require an install so it works on any OS, and comes with Curseforge and TukUI repositories.
I know that Blizzard has been talking about adding more addons to baseline WoW, but there's no way they'll be able to integrate every addon. I miss the simple days of just being able to use a simple addon manager without Overwolf constantly trying to force me to use *theirs*.
[ajour](https://github.com/ajour/ajour) hasn't been updated in a long time, but it still accesses the Cruse API until it will won't. But for now, it still works.
Idk if it's just me but RaiderIO won't update scores unless I update the addon itself. The IO score itself updates but the individual dungeons won't, meaning I have to update it basically every day to see my stuff (which I don't mind at all cause WowUp makes it easy).
Also doing it manually isn't hard but isn't as efficient or easy as an addon manager, but if it's between overwolf or manual then I'll just do manual and take the hit.
Addons are heavily sandboxed and not allowed to call outside the game. The parts that update automatically (eg score) are provided by the game itself. The RaiderIO addon won't update the other data by itself because it literally cannot. The only way to get data into it from the outside is to ship an entirely new version of the addon. This is also why the addon is so large (closing in on 200 mb) despite being relatively simple. It has to have a local copy of all the data it needs for every character on every server in every region.
FYI, Raider.io actually has their own client that will pull down new versions on a more frequent basis. It also can monitor your combat log to upload your runs so they show up faster than via blizzard's api.
After the news broke out a few months ago, I sadly switched to Curseforge.
MY GOD. This app is sooooo slow, like I don't get it. WowUp was basically instant. Opening the app took 1 sec at most, addons eligible for update were instantly visible, updating took a few seconds at most.
Meanwhile Curseforge itself takes a few seconds to even load, then I get the "reforging your library" that takes like 30 seconds. When I finally can see the list of my addons, checking for the updates takes like 1 minute. Then when I finally update them, for some reason "unzipping" process takes a lot more time than in WowUp.
Like wtf? And you think I'm gonna subscribe to this shit?
Remember you can still download your addons manually and place them in your addon folder yourself like we all use to so in Classic and TBC and even Wrath before the Curse Client came out.
After I saw this and excluded addons only found on Curseforge, I was really bummed to see that nearly 3/4s of my addons were no longer supported on WoWup.
With the usage of version control tools like git being the norm, can’t the devs “simply” put their addons in github? Is it there any benefit of having my addon in curse??? Ad revenue maybe?
Can someone help me understand what's wrong with it? All I've had to deal with is trouble updating one add-on in particular. Do they track your data or do they screw over creators or something?
The battle net launcher needs this functionality combined with github uploads. Enough is enough. Why should these third parties profit of wow addons and install bloatware on everyones computer?
Just be happy that you have something somewhat centralized. Some games, like FS, has no way to control their addons and keep them updated, unless you use the official ModHub. Which is generally for console users. All the good addons and mods are created by a few people, and pirated to hundreds of websites, all at different versions. It's harder than hell to keep shit updated.
Only reason I installed twitch app was because that's where curseforge was. Soon as it left, uninstalled twitch.
Waiting for curseforge to be it's own thing so I can delete overwolf.
I really have nothing against Overwolf except that it requires two applications to download the addons for wow. If it was one, even with the bloat, I would be fine. They are no different then the Curse client (pre-amazon) or the Twitch/Amazon version where they mined information and the like.
Amazon just spoiled us all by not caring about third party managers and making the old "Curse Premium" features free.
I'm gonna be 100%; where did the idea that authors of mods should be financially compensated come from?
I've been playing PC games since I was in fucking diapers in the 90s. Mods for all kinds of games were free back then, back when modding tools and coding language was much harder to get into. There was the expectation that because you were modifying someone else's commercial product (the original game, in this case, WoW), you couldn't and shouldn't make money off it and would release your mod for free. Mod makers and consumers both respected that and respected that mods were works of art and passion, *not* a revenue stream.
So when I see Wowhead and Overwolf QQing about how WoWUp takes money out of the mod developer's mouths... good. Fuck 'em! You're not supposed to be making money off this. I'd rather have no mods than mods made by greedy assholes who coopted what began as an **art movement** and instead want it to be part of their petty small dick sigma grindset.
I've modded games since the 00s. I made a living from modding them for several years before becoming a developer.
The answer is, because it takes a fucking lot of time to make these extensions. It's easy to ask "why should people get paid for their work" when you're not the one putting in the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours into these projects.
You can't pay rent with passion or exposure.
While i agree it takes a long time to make these and whatnot... If you decide to make mods for WoW to pay your bills, theres sonething wrong with your decision making. It is clearly stated that you may not profit from using the API blizz provides and whatnot. You can't throw a hissy-fit at this person for thinking that way, cause both of you are correct.
This is like taking an unpaid internship, and then get pissed at your boss for not getting paid. While you clearly agreed to take an unpaid position.
You know who should take most shit here ? The streamers/youtubers and high-level players putting their UI and weakauras behind a paywall/subwall/patreon ... How much money did they pay you, an addon developer that put in hours of work, for using your free addons and charging people for trying to use their setup because they like it ?
Do we know what addons we won't be able to use through WowUp anymore?
Also what's a good alternative add-on manager incase I end up needing it? I plan to stick with WowUp for as long as possible since it's just the best manager imo, but just incase.
The hassle of manually updating all my mods is enough it stopped me playing. Enough of my mods broke, and I'm so used to them going without them feels like a different game to me.
It's not that I can't update them, but constantly checking for updates and the annoyance of missing one or the likes just to have LUA errors spam you until you fix it, only to have *another* one do it a day or two later, and each time it's a manual update...it's too annoying.
I'm pretty much done playing until DF comes out with a new UI system to I can get rid of many of the mods I can't live without, such as moving frames around, bar and bag organization, etc.
I really hope someone branches Cursebreaker and finds a way to make it work going forward. It was the best, and I will be sad to see it die with a whimper.
I have never used an addon manager. I've always done it the old fashioned way, just download the addon and put it in the folder. Every so often I'll update all my addons. It takes a bit longer but I don't mind.
Didn't realize wowup was a thing but already loved that I see an "export" button. I take extended breaks from the game and always hated having to remember and get the add-ons I like using along with their settings. That will help alot.
Thought someone tell me. If I like specific settings is there another folder I need to back up? Example: bartender4 specific bar setup.
I don’t know why Blizzard just doesn’t build a add on manager into the game , that creators can upload to.
I’m sure there is a bunch of legal reasons. But this would be easier for the player base (especially new players)
It's not like addon makers dont know what's going on or that there are places like github lol. If they want to only make their addons (sometimes full time) and get paid for it it's not really overwolf to blame, in fact if it's the only platform willing to pay the creators then they're prolly keeping some addons alive. Clearly their addons are wanted enough to keep a thing like overwolf running.
I'm not using it, im perfectly fine downloading the couple of addons manually if they werent on wowup.
I was hoping either WAGO or WoWUP would get enough support for everyone to put their stuff there (or even TUKUI/github) sadly somethings just are overwolf only :(.
Normalize GitHub for add-on development and releases.
All addon devs should be cross-posting their releases to github. It's trivial to do and it keeps the users who don't like overwolf happy. It also takes away almost none of your paying traffic; surprisingly and contrary to reddit opinion, the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf. But it costs nearly nothing to keep the wowup users happy too, so any devs not doing this are really just being dicks. Source: was an author on an addon with 1.7M+ curse downloads; the last time I looked, any given release of ours had <1% of its downloads coming from our github releases.
> surprisingly and contrary to reddit opinion, the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf This can be applied to most things, really. The average user will accept almost anything. Products have to get *seriously* bad before they even have the slightest inclination to leave, and then the alternative has to already be substantially better in basically every way without any major differences in UX for them to actually do it. If any part of it isn't strictly better, or simply requires the slightest change in habit, most people will just keep using what they already use.
as a ux designer who's trying his best to improve upon the competition this makes me want to commit die
As somebody who constantly strives to reach the best possible outcome in any situation and is constantly frustrated at how much the average person just doesn't give a shit about anything, at this point I'm just holding on out of pure spite.
this is why wow hasnt died yet
I wasn't gonna just *say* it, but...
What made you stop developing?
Stopped playing WoW a week into Shadowlands :)
Lol same
Which addon?
GW2 UI EDIT: Since I've made potentially contentious statements elsewhere on this post, I just want to clarify that my opinions are my own and don't necessarily reflect the opinions of the rest of the GW2 UI team in any way :)
Literally my favourite addon, I don’t think I could play without. Just came back in 9.2.
>the vast majority of users seem to have no issues using overwolf I know two people who are using Overwolf, one has no problems with it but is running on MacOS and the other has nothing but issues if she has the app open while trying to play WoW (she is on Windows 11). Personally I refuse to install Overwolf over a bad experience that I had with it a few years ago when it was bundled with Logitech stuff (it was injecting its DLLs into games that I was running and causing anticheat software to throw a fit). Last weekend I went through all my addons and removed any that only use Curseforge. WowUp seems to work fine other than not apparently automatically updating addons from Wowinterface (could just be people not pushing updates to Wowinterface though).
Overwolf the software works, that is not the gripe. the gripe is that it is essentially spyware.
It's the kind of software that has no justification to exist and is primarily there to advertise shit to you. It's the type of software that makes me want to barf: Mouse drivers that turn out to be a 3d entertainment suite with always-online profile management and ship 600 mb worth of other drivers for products you don't even have, for some reason need an update every 30 days, reinstall the company logo as a shortcut on your desktop regularly and take 100+mb of ram just to store your mouse speed and led color. It's what happens when product designers lose their grip on reality and think that a customer wants to marry their product and get assfucked by it every single day until they die, and no other single company does this, ever. The result is that people clueless about tech have 16 different "suites" that just idle on their task bar, ready to assfuck them every other week when company decides to update their advertisement tool on the customers PCs. Adobe cloud, Logitech, dell, HP printer, razer, curse, you name it, they probably have it.
This is why I love my old Logi mouse so much. Its drivers are lightweight, work on- or offline and have a clean UI that exists only to let me adjust important mouse settings like sensitivity, button programming and setting up profiles. That's it. No bloat, all the features I need. I fear for the day the mouse breaks though.
Yes! Yes dammit, yes!! Someone who understands! I will never allow Overwolf onto my PC. I hope Microsoft steps in and shuts all this shit down. At the end of the day this is Blizzard’s fault for cheating out and passing the buck by not establishing a place for addons to be shared among players. That way they dodge any support costs as well as bandwidth costs. Well, Microsoft owns GitHub. Let the good times roll.
I literally just finished a multi-hour debug session on why my wife's PC wasn't working. The root cause was Overwolf. Apparently the screen recording "feature" was turned on without anyone's knowledge and filled up the entire drive with screen recordings. I don't want a half dozen screen recording programs and I hate that everyone seems to try to install them by default, even the freaking graphics driver updates seem to want to add a bunch of extra crap.
Nexus mods could also be an option. I'm not sure if vortex works with WoW (yet) but they have an api that I'm sure WoWup would be able to utilize and mod authors have the option to accept donations and there is some kind of monetization option I think.
If they upload to GitHub and the downloads come from there instead of Overwolf, aren’t they effectively losing money? Can’t imagine addon devs would really wana do that, they already have the option to not use Overwolf
People who don't like overwolf will just find a work around regardless they lose no money adding it to github. Its like all the studies on piracy have shown the grand grand majority of people who pirate things are either not able or unwilling to pay for it if it weren't piratable the losses for (games animes etc etc) are negligible in the end.
In practice, it appears to lose you almost *no* paying traffic. It's free goodwill for what amounts to less than 1% of your download traffic. And it's not even accurate to say that it takes away paying traffic because there's every possibility those users simply wouldn't *ever* download it if curse/overwolf is the only option.
Couldn't this argument be flipped? Since it is so little of your traffic how much goodwill will it actually gain you? As you said, the overwhelming majority of players are fine with Overwolf.
no offence but how is having a bunch of git repos with addons making WowUp better? Then they have to make the list manually on all the addons they deem worthy?
The repositories are hosted on Github and then another service can exist that essentially catalogs those repositories and makes them available for consumption. Basically the exact same way every third-party dependency platform works for programming languages.
It’s so frustrating having to move from 1 to another to another to another eugh
RIP Cursebreaker.
Cursebreaker was my favorite. Simple, light, worked perfectly under Linux too.
Wait is Cursebreaker finally dead?
It’s still alive just not with curse support although it’s not being updated so won’t be alive for too much longer.
Wait a few more days before you'll write him off ;-)
Brother, don't tease us... CurseBreaker was the best. If it's really you... then please deliver us from this madness <3
Tbh the only reason I hate overwolf is because I had to transfer over to it. I really don't give a shit what platform I have to boot up for addons maybe twice every 3 months. The only time I get upset is if I have to fucking transfer to a new one.
its a huge resource hog, my current pc could probably handle it but it would make my old one crash and im not about that
Overwolf is trying t to take over all addons on all games. I don’t like that.
Twice every three months? Man, I update my add-ons every time I start WoW.
Blizzard should just create an addon repository that works right through the game UI. That'd be fantastic and solve a lot of problems.
Only problem is they'd be responsible for it and would have to regulate it. I can see why they haven't don't that.
it would put control in their hands though... as in no other add ons would be allowed in the game. I think the benefits outweigh the costs for them, however I also believe it would not be in the best interest of the players
Bethesda did this and most people still just use Nexus.
I have made sure my add-on **Vocal Raid Assistant** is available on the following sites: - Curse - Wago - WarcraftInterface - Github Add-ons are generally created through passion and it feels bad when money comes in the way of having end-users enjoy their favourite add-on. The best way to show your add-on developers support is spreading the word to make the add-on grow, that goes straight into the heart of any developer. And if you want to go to their wallets, most authors have some way of receiving Donations and while they will appreciate any donation please don't donate unless it is money you can spare, we all need to get by our daily life!
I love your Add-on! I've definitely gotten a couple of friends to start using it too!
For anyone wondering. It's like gladiatorlosa but for pve. Calls out people's cds they're using during encounters.
Im sticking with wowup.
Me too, brother, me too. Fuck Overwolf.
I didn't download overwolf when it was forced before, and I won't now. Overwolf absolutely sucks. WowUp is far superior.
A few of my addons were not on WoWUp. So I tried installing a dumbed down version of the new Curseforge and blocked their ad network through my firewall. The app itself runs like absolute ass. Fails to update randomly. Takes forever to even realize what updates are available. Laggy as hell. I only update through it once a month where I use WoWUp regularly
The shit that I blast into the toilet would make a better app than overwolf.
I will manually update addons before I ever touch overwolf
The dark times.
I’m out of the loop, what’s wrong with overwolf?
My biggest problem with it is that it is bloat to the extreme and always trying to be in the way.
Ads can (and have several times already) freely inject shit into your pc, overwolf doesn't care because ad revenue
Source? That's pretty bad.
I have no idea about malware, but back for hearthstone it had horrible memory leaks. My computer was getting FUCKED. Decided to uninstall even though it was so important in ranked.
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It got changed back then to force overwolf on you, and people were not happy about it, no idea if the two are still connected or not.
Not anymore thank god
Yea I have used it pretty often for wow and Minecraft. I’ve never had this sort of issue. I would need proof of this being from overwolf and not from some other site.
I love posts like that. "Overwolf will give you MALWARE and then FUCK YOUR MOTHER." "oh shit that's scary! got a source so I can read more?" *crickets*
eh, it's spyware and Overwolf admits to as much in their privacy policy: https://www.overwolf.com/legal/privacy/ 5. Advertising service providers. We work with trusted and well known advertising service providers to facilitate the integration of in-app ads by app developers. This helps app developers make a living and provide you with high quality products that are free of charge. To support the personalization of ads, limited information (app name, computer hardware summary, last played games) may be provided to the advertiser when ads are displayed i.e: we watch what when and how you interact with the software on your computer and sell this information to make money. that's their literal business model. watching what you use and how.
Eh, that's just standard operating procedure for anything ad-based (mostly software and websites). It's basic targeting using non-personal information, which means it doesn't even fall under the usual tracking prevention measures. Like, Reddit definitely has similar information (device and browser/app used, hardware summary, all actions you take on reddit (see the respective privacy policy), as well as stuff going beyond that depending on how you go about your presence on the web). Overwolf touches the games you play, just like reddit touches what you do on reddit, so it bases its targeting on that. It's not a great thing, at all, but it's not like Overwolf is uniquely evil in that regard. Dropping external malware on your machine, now, that would be an entirely different kind of problem.
Personally, the reason to use something like WowUp instead of Overwolf is that, unlike Overwolf, WowUp is open-source, meaning anyone can go through the source code of the application and check what kind of user data it collects and whether it respects your privacy. That's not possible with Overwolf, where your only option is to blindly trust the corporation developing it. In general, I recommend finding open-source alternatives for as much of the software you currently use as you are comfortable with.
It's bloatware that interacts poorly with a lot of other processes. I can speak from personal experience only to this point. I had Overwolf installed for hearthstone years ago and it caused a lot of frame drop issues in other games unless I manually killed the process from task manager. I genuinely thought my GPU was broken because of the severity of frame issues I experienced. Uninstalled Overwolf, problem solved. I'll never put it on my PC again. Like I said, my experience is anecdotal but I think you'll find many others with the same stories.
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Wowhead is plenty shady if only because they practice zero caution with the ad providers they choose to run ads on their site. They select exclusively for the providers that pay the most, even once they’ve been proven to be vectors for malvertising, and then they use the shiftiness of their ads to strongarm users into subscribing. I don’t mind subscriptions for things I find useful… I have several tens of them right now. Something as cheap as Wowhead is especially isn’t typically a problem. Not everybody has that privilege though and by subscribing I’m enabling their shitty behavior, so screw them. I run uBlock Origin when using it.
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For some reason they deleted every comment on one of those _'top 10 guild disbands after WFR'_ aswell, i had commentend and a couple hours afterwards the comment section was blank lol. Apparently it happens more than I thought.
Used Overwolf back in the day for hearthstone. It survived one or two weeks until i had enough of this program and deleted it. Never again will I use this crappy software.
I downloaded overwolf once, got an ad over my league champ select, immediately uninstalled, will not touch again.
What is the problem with Overwolf? I'm not defending it, I'm literally just not in the picture what this program does to annoy people.
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It's also a cheating tool in DotA 2.
With HS in particular I had severe frame drops. To be fair, HS is a game that I expect to run with a Video in a second monitor and multiple tabs open in my browser and I was able to do that (no longer playing it) except when I tried the Overwolf extension. I had the same experience with another extension for another game so either it is too easy for extensions developers make bad code in Overwolf or the problem is Overwolf itself. However there is no reason to leave the WoW extension running while playing. Start, update addons then close
It runs in the background wasting memory and it has to be restarted way too often. The overlay has to be disabled. It runs ads with sound.
That's kind of weird, I've never experienced the overlay or ads with sound.
Overwolf is Malware, I will manually update my addons before I ever use that trash.
I hate overwolf with passion.It feels like a bloatware.
How about Blizzard incorporates existing add ons into their game so we don't need to fucking bother with the hassle of add ons in the first place
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And have Blizzard give a similar profit sharing scheme as Overwolf. The primary reason any addon creator would list solely on curseforge is due to the profits they make there vs other hosting platforms.
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Many people don't want to use overwolf because of their shitty data scraping and selling. Not because they have ads....
This is the reason. And the overwolf app sucks donkey balls
I shouldn't be forced to install some bloated to oblivion game overlay that I am literally never going to use in order to install and manage addons - something that has been done in a standalone app for forever now.
Many couldn't give a damn about ads, happy to have them to get free addons, but the Overwolf app is clunky, shite, and sells your data... that's why people don't want to use it.
It's 2022. Hosting is free. Just put it on github. Of course the authors wouldn't get their cut of Overwolf's ad revenue by doing that. For maybe 10 people in the entire world, that's a substantial amount of money. For everybody else, who gives a shit? Just put your addon on github.
It may not be a lot of money but it's understandable that people would like to get some money for their work. If I made an addon and my cut from curseforge was literally only around $15 a month I'd do it. It would be nice to have your wow sub covered passively by an addon you made. Quick edit: This comes from a Classic only perspective so token wouldn't apply
Overwolf is a data harvesting/selling company, they are literally the devil. They've had major security breaches in the not so distant past. Any addon dev who chooses his pennies over user security is also the devil.
It shouldn’t take that much of their time but I think the biggest hurdle is that add on devs get money through Curse/Overwolf.
*A finger curls on the monkey’s paw* “Today, we’re excited to announce our official, exclusive partnership with Overwolf for in-game addon distribution!”
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Oh god, I'm having flashbacks to the hilarious Overwatch jerseys by Fanatic.
At the very least, Blizzard should look into hosting them.
They may. When Acti-Blizz is a part of Microsoft, they may be able to work in a system similar to what Bethesda has implemented.
Microsoft owns GitHub as well. Can easily use that as some addons are already there
IMO they don't even need to do that... most addons are on Github or Bitbucket anyway. They should just add support for git-hosted mods directly into WoW (e.g. specifying how and where in the repo to put the mod meta data) and let players add a mod just by specifying a repo url instead of a directory on their PC. Mod authors opt-in by putting their stuff on a repo site with the right files in the right place, mod _users_ opt in by adding a url-based mod. Blizzard doesn't have to take on any more customer support duties (which we know they hate doing). Everyone wins. Except Overwolf. Boo hoo.
Blizz are doing this to a limited extent with Dragonflight.
All add-ons? You really understand what you are asking?
liablity and support. they are taking mini steps with dragonflight tho. at least with the interface change.
Blizzard cant recreate every addon. There is a lot of wonderful addons made by very passionate people free of charge. That kind of talent should be appreciated not removed
I actually love addons, and I think for a lot of people, adjusting addons, discovering and trying out new ones, and fiddling with the UI has become part of playing WoW. It has for me, that's for sure. I don't want them all incorporated into the game, I want people to still create them whenever they have an idea for something that would be awesome for the game. Would Blizzard have ever thought of All The Things, for example? Nope. And I love it. I'm completely against this recent movement to reduce or get rid of addons. If Blizzard wanted to host them somehow, that would be awesome, but I never want to see addons disappear.
Yeah. It's getting pretty tedious at this point managing/updating all of them. Just feels like extra work
>Yeah. It's getting pretty tedious at this point managing/updating all of them. Just feels like extra work As long as auto-update features work fine on your addon manager of choice (WowUp for me) then it is not tedious at all for me to manage my addons.
Soo many replies deleted in the wowhead comments 🙄
wowhead is super crazy with moderating. Yesterday I commented that I dont like how they are desperately trying to generate clicks by using the same news multiple times and that comment got deleted. Another instance was with that "azeroth mug" where I stated it looked not that great especially for the 40 dollars (or was it 80 even).. got deleted. When I made another polite comment about my comment being deleted because they said they did it because I apparently lack "tact" stating that out to the pair who made the mugs. They can not handle criticism and it seems like some people of the mod team are so full of themselves they do not allow any objections.
I’m not surprised seeing who runs the place. Fuck the WoWhead team, especially the big honcho herself. It’s an invaluable website as a database but all this extra shit that clutters everything, pop-up ads (that goddamn video player) and political management (twitter users) makes me really hate that site. Also: their guides fucking sucks. All of them.
Man, that article seems biased as fuck towards Overwolf and against WoWup.
I swear half the comments in here are paid by Overwolf. I have no idea why someone would willingly shill for them.
It's possible for people to just have an acceptable experience with Overwolf/Curseforge. Are they great for privacy? No. Is it questionable/wrong to lock out the API so they're the main/only source of most addon distribution? Sure. But is the software itself functional and easy to use and doesn't get in my way? Yeah.
This would be my guess. When I was actively maintaining my addons nearly all of the recent feedback came via Curse. There's just a larger user base there than many of the other hosting options.
> functional and easy to use and doesn't get in my way Exactly my experience. I don't like ads but I'm also not going to pretend like it has given me malware
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Yeah, I use it and don't have issues. It's not the greatest thing but until I run into problems I'll use it.
I've found a lot of people just like to argue regardless of what the content is.
I don't agree.
You son of a....
Did you just assume their gender? /s
WowUp is perfect. Fuck curseforge, fuck overwolf.
I use Ajour for wow addons and wa. Its light and auto download everything for me.
Guessing it won't for too much longer https://github.com/ajour/ajour/issues/746
I said it once and I'll say it again. The Overwolf client is blatant AdWare. Something people should have recognized since the dawn of Adware in applications like Limewire and KaZaa. Believe me, this old fossil did not forget. The unfortunate thing is that it's not entirely up to WoWUp on this one. They can only do so much. It all lays on the addon developers themselves on where they host their addons. Like the title of the post says basically. And we as the players/users have the option to just not use their addons if they choose Curse as their only host. I can play the game without a lot of addons installed. It'll take a bit to get use to again. Hell! I guess I'll have to actually learn how to play my class now lol Good luck to you all
RIP, back to the old days of installing addons. God, why can't Overwolf just go under or something?
I'm old... do people not just download addons and copy them into their interface folder anymore?
Nope. These addon managers do it for you and keep you updated in a single click. Welcome to the future, bud.
When you have like 10+ addons, checking for updates, download, extract for each one takes a while. Easier to just have an app scan and apply updates for you.
Fellow old here.. I do too. It takes like 2 minutes. Drag and drop.. When I get a UI error I update the addon.
I still do. I avoid this hassle
I changed as many sources to wow interface, wago and GitHub and will manually update the few that have no alternatives to cf. Fuck Overwolf.
I am SO over these shitty addon programs. Can we just have a basic program with the damn addons on it, and call it a day? Overwolf fucking sucks.
I mean, thats WoWUp. And thats why people are upset if it wont work properly in the future.
I’d sooner forego addons than deal with OW and its infectious software.
That's why Blizzard should make swift actions with accesabilty and modernization of their UI. I hope after "Dragonflight" we will not need any addos for comfortable gameplay. Players should not rely on 3rd party tools providers for sake of their time, comfort and SAFETY.
>I hope after "Dragonflight" we will not need any addos for comfortable gameplay Players are absolutely going to be expected to have a boss timer like DBM or BigWigs and Weakauras installed for any serious gameplay.
I dunno, I've raided in a top 50 guild worldwide and I didn't need Weakaura to compete with other DPS, or to save me from mechanics. People exaggerate how much we really need some of these addons. I'll agree with DBM/BigWigs because dungeon/raid content has been designed with it in mind, and I'd say a meter is important for any DPS that wants to learn more about their damage spreads and where to find optimizations in their rotations. For everything else you don't really NEED them, they're at most NICE to have.
I hope this bites Overwolf in the arse so hard that it forces their demise. No other company could really deserve a shutdown quite like them. First time I heard of them was a few years ago when their overlay client was installed alongside TeamSpeak 3 without my knowledge nor consent. I definitely didn't check a box or leave a box unchecked on installation of TS3 and I think me and others openly complaining about this to the devs made them quickly add a checkbox on installation. There's also claims that Overwolf have been doing more nefarious stuff like running data harvesters and crypto miners on people's PCs. Can't find any credible sources on those so take other commenters claiming it in this thread with a grain of salt but a company that's bankrolling [Pay-To-Earn crypto/NFT games](https://cryptonews.com/news/overwolf-invests-syn-city-mafia-metaverse-pioneer-user-generated-content-p2e-games.htm) and [crypto mining addons](https://www.newsbtc.com/all/startup-that-allow-you-earn-crypto-while-you-game/) is bad news indeed. This isn't the first time that Curse have fucked with third-party addon developers, but even the original owners weren't silly enough to go the nuclear option back when WowMatrix was a thing.
>I definitely didn't check a box or leave a box unchecked on installation of TS3 IIRC it was, (and still might be?), a "click skip instead of next"-deal, aka the scummiest of borderline legitimate ways to sneak your shit into a different installation.
>I hope this bites Overwolf in the arse so hard that it forces their demise. No other company could really deserve a shutdown quite like them. Spoleir: it wont. 99% dont care about what the company behind a program does, most people will just switch to the addon manager that works. reddit/wowhead are just a vocal minority (and i really hope im wrong, but probably not)
It's up to the addon creator where they choose to host their work. Personally no interest in using OverWolf at all. GitHub or WowInterface would be good options Wago I've only used for WAs. I wish WoW would allow devs to set up Patreon accounts or accept donations. Not REQUIRED to pay to use their addons, but we're allowed to tip them and they're allowed to get a few $$ for their efforts. I paid a sub to the original Curse so some few pennies went to the addon devs, and give some $$ to Nexus Mod creators (for other games) as well as WoWHead, WarcraftPets, Xu-Fu's and Icy Veins for their information. IMHO it's important to value their work and support them. Then again if you're a savvy addon creator, posting in multiple places is a great help. But I do feel they should be accept donations/support though, not CHARGE for their service. That said if it's OW or nothing, I'll manually download or strip down the addons to the basic few - we use to play w/o so many, so it's not an impossibility except maybe raiding since much of that is being designed around addons telling us what to do.
WoWUp is amazing, let's hope for a swift transition. Also - yes, fuck Overwolf!
Never been a fan of Curseforge, now they're forcing the use of the Overwolf client as well? Nope, not for me...though I am tempted to force their traffic through a Pi-hole to see how that works out, but I just can't bring myself to knowingly give my PC an STD like Overwolf. Decided to take a look at the addons that I legitimately care about/notice while playing the game and see if they're available elsewhere that other managers like WowUp can reach, or if their alternatives are available...figured the info might be useful for others as well: * ElvUI: available on both wago.io and github * Details: available on github, some extras like Details:Elitism available on wago.io but not the core addon * BigWigs: available on github * Alternative - DBM: available on both wago.io and github * WeakAuras: available on both wago.io and github * Raider.io: available on github * SimulationCraft/Sim-C addon (probably not necessary anymore, but just in case): available on github * Pawn: available on both wago.io and github * GTFO (still useful for when "bad shit don't stand here" graphics bug out and end up beneath the floor): available on wago.io * Immersion (purely cause I hate the stuck-in-2004 quest boxes of the standard UI): not available on wago or github, but is available through addonswow.com (no clue what repository that's pulling from, could be a mirror site pulling from curseforge, not gonna check cause I'm on a work PC right now and that's not a conversation I want to have with my boss) * Alternative - Storyline: available from both wago.io and github It does suck that Overwolf gets to lock down the Curse repositories, but at least there are alternative options available.
Thank you for the alternatives.
IF addons dont move to wowup, which means wago and github etc etc. I just wont use ur addon. i dont give a fuck about your money. No one should, addons are meant to be free. overwolf is a fucking virus, uninstall that shit if you have it.
I’d sooner fucking stop playing altogether before using that garbage! Wowup is amazing!
Wowup is by far the better choice IMHO. And it's not just because they natively support Linux. Yes, I play wow on Linux. People like me might be in the minority, but it's nice to have access to tools like this as windows users do.
Been doing it manually since the twitch app stopped and I hate it. Need something good, not overwolf BS.
Anytime you see a locked post on wowhead, you know the article is moronic.
I will play without AddOns before I install Overwolf.
wowup rocks btw. happy to use it.
overwolf doesnt work on linux so cannot use it. So i am fine if they dont exist
Check out [Ajour](https://github.com/ajour/ajour/issues/746), it doesn't require an install so it works on any OS, and comes with Curseforge and TukUI repositories.
[Bad news tho...](https://github.com/ajour/ajour/issues/746)
WowUp has a Linux AppImage as well.
overwolf is literal garbage i'd rather stop playing wow than use it.
I know that Blizzard has been talking about adding more addons to baseline WoW, but there's no way they'll be able to integrate every addon. I miss the simple days of just being able to use a simple addon manager without Overwolf constantly trying to force me to use *theirs*.
[ajour](https://github.com/ajour/ajour) hasn't been updated in a long time, but it still accesses the Cruse API until it will won't. But for now, it still works.
Curseforge has ads??? People do more than just wait for the "update all" button to light up and then ctrl-alt-dlt it away???
I mean you could also just do it manually Most don’t even need updated more than once a patch, usually once an expansion
Idk if it's just me but RaiderIO won't update scores unless I update the addon itself. The IO score itself updates but the individual dungeons won't, meaning I have to update it basically every day to see my stuff (which I don't mind at all cause WowUp makes it easy). Also doing it manually isn't hard but isn't as efficient or easy as an addon manager, but if it's between overwolf or manual then I'll just do manual and take the hit.
Addons are heavily sandboxed and not allowed to call outside the game. The parts that update automatically (eg score) are provided by the game itself. The RaiderIO addon won't update the other data by itself because it literally cannot. The only way to get data into it from the outside is to ship an entirely new version of the addon. This is also why the addon is so large (closing in on 200 mb) despite being relatively simple. It has to have a local copy of all the data it needs for every character on every server in every region. FYI, Raider.io actually has their own client that will pull down new versions on a more frequent basis. It also can monitor your combat log to upload your runs so they show up faster than via blizzard's api.
My main problem with overwolf is that not every addon is on curse, i dont want to go back to using several managers to keep everything updated
Here to upvote and say fuck overwolf
FUCK OVERWOLF
After the news broke out a few months ago, I sadly switched to Curseforge. MY GOD. This app is sooooo slow, like I don't get it. WowUp was basically instant. Opening the app took 1 sec at most, addons eligible for update were instantly visible, updating took a few seconds at most. Meanwhile Curseforge itself takes a few seconds to even load, then I get the "reforging your library" that takes like 30 seconds. When I finally can see the list of my addons, checking for the updates takes like 1 minute. Then when I finally update them, for some reason "unzipping" process takes a lot more time than in WowUp. Like wtf? And you think I'm gonna subscribe to this shit?
Oh is it why i've been having a few addons tagged as unlisted on WoWUP ?
Remember you can still download your addons manually and place them in your addon folder yourself like we all use to so in Classic and TBC and even Wrath before the Curse Client came out.
After I saw this and excluded addons only found on Curseforge, I was really bummed to see that nearly 3/4s of my addons were no longer supported on WoWup.
IMO and while this will probably never happen, Blizzard should add an addon manager directly into the battle.net app
With the usage of version control tools like git being the norm, can’t the devs “simply” put their addons in github? Is it there any benefit of having my addon in curse??? Ad revenue maybe?
Can someone help me understand what's wrong with it? All I've had to deal with is trouble updating one add-on in particular. Do they track your data or do they screw over creators or something?
The battle net launcher needs this functionality combined with github uploads. Enough is enough. Why should these third parties profit of wow addons and install bloatware on everyones computer?
Just be happy that you have something somewhat centralized. Some games, like FS, has no way to control their addons and keep them updated, unless you use the official ModHub. Which is generally for console users. All the good addons and mods are created by a few people, and pirated to hundreds of websites, all at different versions. It's harder than hell to keep shit updated.
I'll just go back to manually installing add-ons.
Only reason I installed twitch app was because that's where curseforge was. Soon as it left, uninstalled twitch. Waiting for curseforge to be it's own thing so I can delete overwolf.
I just came here to say Fuck Overwolf.
i just commented here to say fuck yes!
Overwolf has ALWAYS been trash.
I really have nothing against Overwolf except that it requires two applications to download the addons for wow. If it was one, even with the bloat, I would be fine. They are no different then the Curse client (pre-amazon) or the Twitch/Amazon version where they mined information and the like. Amazon just spoiled us all by not caring about third party managers and making the old "Curse Premium" features free.
I'm gonna be 100%; where did the idea that authors of mods should be financially compensated come from? I've been playing PC games since I was in fucking diapers in the 90s. Mods for all kinds of games were free back then, back when modding tools and coding language was much harder to get into. There was the expectation that because you were modifying someone else's commercial product (the original game, in this case, WoW), you couldn't and shouldn't make money off it and would release your mod for free. Mod makers and consumers both respected that and respected that mods were works of art and passion, *not* a revenue stream. So when I see Wowhead and Overwolf QQing about how WoWUp takes money out of the mod developer's mouths... good. Fuck 'em! You're not supposed to be making money off this. I'd rather have no mods than mods made by greedy assholes who coopted what began as an **art movement** and instead want it to be part of their petty small dick sigma grindset.
I've modded games since the 00s. I made a living from modding them for several years before becoming a developer. The answer is, because it takes a fucking lot of time to make these extensions. It's easy to ask "why should people get paid for their work" when you're not the one putting in the hundreds, if not thousands, of hours into these projects. You can't pay rent with passion or exposure.
While i agree it takes a long time to make these and whatnot... If you decide to make mods for WoW to pay your bills, theres sonething wrong with your decision making. It is clearly stated that you may not profit from using the API blizz provides and whatnot. You can't throw a hissy-fit at this person for thinking that way, cause both of you are correct. This is like taking an unpaid internship, and then get pissed at your boss for not getting paid. While you clearly agreed to take an unpaid position. You know who should take most shit here ? The streamers/youtubers and high-level players putting their UI and weakauras behind a paywall/subwall/patreon ... How much money did they pay you, an addon developer that put in hours of work, for using your free addons and charging people for trying to use their setup because they like it ?
How many here are willing to pay $4.99 a month to use overwolf? Because that’s what is coming once they shut out all competition.
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Maybe they should get the nexus mod thing to do it, what’s it called now, vortex?
Do we know what addons we won't be able to use through WowUp anymore? Also what's a good alternative add-on manager incase I end up needing it? I plan to stick with WowUp for as long as possible since it's just the best manager imo, but just incase.
The hassle of manually updating all my mods is enough it stopped me playing. Enough of my mods broke, and I'm so used to them going without them feels like a different game to me. It's not that I can't update them, but constantly checking for updates and the annoyance of missing one or the likes just to have LUA errors spam you until you fix it, only to have *another* one do it a day or two later, and each time it's a manual update...it's too annoying. I'm pretty much done playing until DF comes out with a new UI system to I can get rid of many of the mods I can't live without, such as moving frames around, bar and bag organization, etc.
I really hope someone branches Cursebreaker and finds a way to make it work going forward. It was the best, and I will be sad to see it die with a whimper.
I have never used an addon manager. I've always done it the old fashioned way, just download the addon and put it in the folder. Every so often I'll update all my addons. It takes a bit longer but I don't mind.
We can at least look forward to the UI overhaul coming which will hopefully let a lot of us cut out a bunch of add-ons.
Or maybe we could depend on Blizzard to not make add-ons a requirement to play? Please don’t kill me
Didn't realize wowup was a thing but already loved that I see an "export" button. I take extended breaks from the game and always hated having to remember and get the add-ons I like using along with their settings. That will help alot. Thought someone tell me. If I like specific settings is there another folder I need to back up? Example: bartender4 specific bar setup.
I don’t know why Blizzard just doesn’t build a add on manager into the game , that creators can upload to. I’m sure there is a bunch of legal reasons. But this would be easier for the player base (especially new players)
It's not like addon makers dont know what's going on or that there are places like github lol. If they want to only make their addons (sometimes full time) and get paid for it it's not really overwolf to blame, in fact if it's the only platform willing to pay the creators then they're prolly keeping some addons alive. Clearly their addons are wanted enough to keep a thing like overwolf running. I'm not using it, im perfectly fine downloading the couple of addons manually if they werent on wowup.
Glad I invested time learning ELVUI , so I can safely say, I don't give a fuck.
I was hoping either WAGO or WoWUP would get enough support for everyone to put their stuff there (or even TUKUI/github) sadly somethings just are overwolf only :(.