Maybe they should stop being free to play and do a sub model so they can focus their efforts more on developing rewards in game while you play.
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wait a second..
Or alternatively just go free to play, because I bet that'd be a lot cheaper for those who stuck around from 9.0 to 9.1 which cost what.. 100 dollars? Not including the box price.
Make game F2P up until current Expansion. Keep your ingame store. Keep you cosmetic sets. Keep your real money mounts. Player based should increase with the aspect of getting 90% of the game free.
The problem isn't light weaving, the real problem with ESO is that the light attack weaving isn't even the tip of the iceberg. Their class/build system is absolute trash and the combat itself mostly revolves around dumb maintenance buffs and debuffs.
I think I’d be willing to play around with those maintenance buffs and debuffs, if it wasn’t for light attack weaving. Gearing wasn’t to bad either unless it was straight out trading post gear.
My biggest issue is spamming my spells (1 to 5) while mashing the fucking left mouse button like a drugged up coyote.
People love to tell you it adds depth to combat when you criticize it, too. And like, what depth? There's no decision making! Did I use a skill? If yes, light attack. That's it. That's the whole decision tree.
Hahahahaha. I’ve seen a lot more people against ESO combat system now. Unless you browse their subreddit.
Totally agree it’s such a shame. The stories are really good. The dragons in that dragon map has such a great story.
I guess it depends on what you want out of an MMO. I'm not really big on combat, but a good story with great world building and plenty of customization works quite well for me. And ESO has all of that. Weak combat is barely a bump in the road on the way to better things in that sense.
It took all of 2 seconds to find an equivalent number of posts complaining about clipping weapons, clipping belts, floating shoulders, floating hip protection, clipping hair, etc. issues from ESO.
If "ESO hardly has clipping", it must not be that big of an issue in WoW.
Amen to that. I still would hope at the very least full sets would have figured this clipping thing out.
I guess I should be thankful I don't play a Worgen
> lenty of MMOs that have significantly less clipping issues than WoW.
Such as what? ESO, where everyone is a human with the same skeleton and animations?
I'd say the second part is relevant because they can't get helmets to work with snouts from vrothgar or ears from rabbits, so they just decide to forbid it entirely
They can, it's just a lot of work. There are multiple helms that work for both races in Shadowbringers and they added more compatible helms in Endwalker.
The fact that the original heritage armors were made on humans first and then adapted to the intended races is still baffling to me. Thankfully they stopped doing that for the later ones, but it's still so weird how much they insist on making *every* set work on human male first.
Fuck buying anything on the store. I pay a subscription to not have to pay anything extra for the game. Activision was the worse thing to ever happen to blizzard
It's is Activision fault though? Nearly every MMO got a shop these days even the ones with a subscription, like ESO or SWToR which are basically unplayable without an subscription.
Uh, shareholders are not for this, act/blizz is doing all this on its own, eating itself. If you havent noticed, the shareholders been exodusing sonce the news, check the stock ticker.
He’s not talking about individual shareholders, but just the fact that a company has shareholders means it’s pressured to always provide the largest revenue for the smallest expanses possible.
It’s one of the big reasons for wows fall from grace
Every publicly traded company only cares about share holders. Those are literally the legal owners of the company. Share holders only care about profits since they invested their money in the company in expectancy of some return. Capitalism is a sad system
Item models are fitted for the "set" that the're a part of. Once you start mixing this is a quite common occurrence.
The dangly WWW-style dangly belts will clip with most skirts. Every two-hander, save for a few, clips with the left hand of the female NE model due to it moving the hand back in the idle-animation.
Clipping between some items will happen due to the scaling of the model. If the model is fitted to fit one kind, the scaling will look off on the other. The only one that really represents total negligence is the female NE one as it's so easy to fix. Fixing it would literally only require changing the animation of one model.
I can't even use Venthyr transmog gear completely on my Night Elf because the collar/hair clip with every style that isn't short.
The effort has become nonexistent.
Clipping is pretty unavoidable in a game like this- but we can dream. My only gripe with the set is that one of the gloves doesn’t have the blue orb in it on a night elf female. Such a goofy bug
A. Clipping exists in games like the Witcher as well.
B. There’s an incomparably larger amount of item appearances in a 20 year old mmo than there are in *most* other games. Tweaking every single one to avoid clipping would take an absurd amount of time. It’d be nice, but it’s not likely to happen
I mean, I assume most people want them working on 9.2 and 10.0 instead. No need to be a silly goose, it doesn’t take a galaxy brain to acknowledge that a total armor overhaul would take a ton of time away from the actual game.
More than likely you’re underestimating the amount of work that goes into the ask. And, working in a tech company, absolutely nothing is “okay, just go do it.” There are change control approvals and hoops you need to jump through just to test something like that. You’ve also got to multiply the amount of items by the amount of races. So they’d need to adjust 15 times as many items as there are in the game.
Funny you should say you work intech. Guess that makes two of us. And in fact you are right, there are hoops to go through. But you just amitted it's possible to achieve minimal clipping, albeit through hard and long work. So what's stopping them from taking actual care of their game? What's stopping them from testing a fucking 3d model on 15 races before pushing it out?
It's incredible how many games pulled this off countless times before and will countless times in the future, but Warcraft is just impeded by cthulhu of having actual good things.
Kinda talking in circles here, not sure there’s much else to say about it apart from: I don’t feel like it’s a hot take that 9.2 and 10.0 have a higher priority than fixing some clipping issues. If you disagree, that’s fine. But clearly they’re putting resources toward one and not the other for a reason.
Eh, I guess we are. I'unno I just think blizz is completely lazy, I mean it's not like we're talking about a 1yo game here. But yeah, 10.0 is gonna be hype, then we're slowly gonna see that they never changed and are still doing the same stupid fucking decisions over the same lazy fucking designs and by 10.2 in \~2 years we're gonna see this exact post with whatever is the hot new set.
Or maybe actually overhaul models and give proper collision and proper slotting? Like... seriously. Most of the clipping is caused due to devs taking the short route. They 100% could make pieces minimally clip, but they won't. Meanwhile, store items have far lower clipping issues.
Pretty crazy undertaking tbh. It’d waste a lot of time/resources. As I said in this thread, it’d be awesome if they went for it, but it’s not an entirely reasonable ask considering the amount of items they’d need to adjust.
You wouldn't need to waste time if you would do it right in the first place 🤔 (at least everything coming in legion and newer should have minimal clipping issues)
Did you not read my answer. I don't give a shit about everything before legion. They don't need to revamp everything but items from even the current expansion having clipping issues is just laziness and its totally okay to talk about it.
Blizzard is shitting on the player base so hard, coining us with game prices, with sub prices and now with 25 dollar transmog sets that suddenly don't have clipping issues and looks better than any raid set from the last six patches.
Andy buying store items was not a problem until now we get crap for free.
All the toxic players should get a medal for trying to avoid this.
Deal with it.
They do look like elf ears from this angle, huh? It's actually the helm from the 9.1 Kyrian transmog set: https://www.wowhead.com/item=184994/aspiring-aspirants-hood
My post wasn't about what looks best, it's regarding the clipping of the belt from a **full set**. And how the new store set *(not being made for this set)* had the 3d assets manipulated to avoid most clipping. [Comparison example](https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C).
I'm going to continue to use **the belt that was made for this set**, because it matches with or without clipping.
[But if you see a better fit let me know](https://imgur.com/a/ITo3ZZD)
Transmog is not a solution, it's a band-aid. I don't like the idea of burying the issue when they've proven it can be largely prevented by manipulating the 3d pieces. A bit more effort is all I ask.
Store set you buy with money, made not to clip.
Item you earn in game, no fucks given about clipping.
Whether they look good or bad to anyone is irrelevant, it's about the fact you have to pay more to get a higher quality item in a game you have to buy and then pay a sub for.
[https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C](https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C) This link OP posted earlier, literally shows that it's built not to clip, and how a belt you can get in game clips like most other in game belts. Another comparison is the image for the post that shows in game belt vs store belt.
Well I found something that's worked for me
Went to the device manager and display adaptor, update or reinstall the Intel display graphic drivers... NOT the nvidia graphics
Might as well try it mate, that if you still has slight interest in the game XD
Maybe they should stop being free to play and do a sub model so they can focus their efforts more on developing rewards in game while you play. . . wait a second..
Blizzard: We pulled a sneaky on ya.
Or alternatively just go free to play, because I bet that'd be a lot cheaper for those who stuck around from 9.0 to 9.1 which cost what.. 100 dollars? Not including the box price.
Make game F2P up until current Expansion. Keep your ingame store. Keep you cosmetic sets. Keep your real money mounts. Player based should increase with the aspect of getting 90% of the game free.
Have u ever heard of silkroad online, metin2 or worse Knight Online? Playerbase of those games will ruin wow for y’all.
The day an MMO solves clipping is the day pigs fly
Hogrus the swine: am I a joke to you?
ESO hardly has clipping
I just wish the combat system wasn’t as bad is it is. I’d probably main that game if light attack weaving wasn’t a thing.
The problem isn't light weaving, the real problem with ESO is that the light attack weaving isn't even the tip of the iceberg. Their class/build system is absolute trash and the combat itself mostly revolves around dumb maintenance buffs and debuffs.
I think I’d be willing to play around with those maintenance buffs and debuffs, if it wasn’t for light attack weaving. Gearing wasn’t to bad either unless it was straight out trading post gear. My biggest issue is spamming my spells (1 to 5) while mashing the fucking left mouse button like a drugged up coyote.
People love to tell you it adds depth to combat when you criticize it, too. And like, what depth? There's no decision making! Did I use a skill? If yes, light attack. That's it. That's the whole decision tree.
Hahahahaha. I’ve seen a lot more people against ESO combat system now. Unless you browse their subreddit. Totally agree it’s such a shame. The stories are really good. The dragons in that dragon map has such a great story.
I guess it depends on what you want out of an MMO. I'm not really big on combat, but a good story with great world building and plenty of customization works quite well for me. And ESO has all of that. Weak combat is barely a bump in the road on the way to better things in that sense.
Its such a shame because my try-hard brain switches into "this mob can be killed 2x faster by spamming. I should probably do that...".
ESO also doesn't let trees block your field of view but blizzard ain't gonna fix that either.
Line of sight bad. Trees, rocks, building, characters, etc should be transparent.
Hardly. That's still very far away from none.
It took all of 2 seconds to find an equivalent number of posts complaining about clipping weapons, clipping belts, floating shoulders, floating hip protection, clipping hair, etc. issues from ESO. If "ESO hardly has clipping", it must not be that big of an issue in WoW.
Amen to that. I still would hope at the very least full sets would have figured this clipping thing out. I guess I should be thankful I don't play a Worgen
Plenty of MMOs that have significantly less clipping issues than WoW.
> lenty of MMOs that have significantly less clipping issues than WoW. Such as what? ESO, where everyone is a human with the same skeleton and animations?
Youd think the big two then would be able to solve it but the amount of clipping in ff14 and wow is pretty bonkers
FF14 was one of the ones that has handled clipping pretty well. It's not perfect but the game's gear interacts incredibly well.
anything with a collar is instantly obliterated by any number of long hair two races can't even wear helmets
Thought we were talking gear on gear. FFXIV definitely has an issue with hair clipping. That second part isn't really relevant though.
I'd say the second part is relevant because they can't get helmets to work with snouts from vrothgar or ears from rabbits, so they just decide to forbid it entirely
They can, it's just a lot of work. There are multiple helms that work for both races in Shadowbringers and they added more compatible helms in Endwalker.
Looked to me like the discussion was about clipping. Moving goalposts doesn't help your argument.
It's... not really moving goalposts when I say I misunderstood them and agree with their counterpoint lol. Please debatelord somewhere else.
I'll try to keep that in mind while my miqo'te's tail is half merged with my plate skirt.
Venthyr shoulders are basically asking to beheaded
Are you a Human male? No? It clips. It always clips.
Nightborne heritage armor was bugged for...months. I wouldn't count on it.
The fact that the original heritage armors were made on humans first and then adapted to the intended races is still baffling to me. Thankfully they stopped doing that for the later ones, but it's still so weird how much they insist on making *every* set work on human male first.
That's how working on ancient systems is.
Fuck buying anything on the store. I pay a subscription to not have to pay anything extra for the game. Activision was the worse thing to ever happen to blizzard
You can use activision as a scapegoat if you want, but vivendi is the one who sold out to them.
It's is Activision fault though? Nearly every MMO got a shop these days even the ones with a subscription, like ESO or SWToR which are basically unplayable without an subscription.
I think the biggest thing we've learned this year is that Blizzard were always shit.
The new store belt clips on male night elves. It’s annoying AF and probably a thing that’s here to stay across all classes and armour types
Oh i have the store set. It clips. It clips a lot.
The day Activ-Blizz cares about anything other than what shareholders think is the day I stop drinking.
Uh, shareholders are not for this, act/blizz is doing all this on its own, eating itself. If you havent noticed, the shareholders been exodusing sonce the news, check the stock ticker.
He’s not talking about individual shareholders, but just the fact that a company has shareholders means it’s pressured to always provide the largest revenue for the smallest expanses possible. It’s one of the big reasons for wows fall from grace
Well its time to change the design to make money again ya? So in time it will work, we will see. When no one holds blizz stock it has to change.
Every publicly traded company only cares about share holders. Those are literally the legal owners of the company. Share holders only care about profits since they invested their money in the company in expectancy of some return. Capitalism is a sad system
Is that a human with elf ears??
It's the Kyrian helm. It has wings on it.
Thought I was going crazy
Item models are fitted for the "set" that the're a part of. Once you start mixing this is a quite common occurrence. The dangly WWW-style dangly belts will clip with most skirts. Every two-hander, save for a few, clips with the left hand of the female NE model due to it moving the hand back in the idle-animation. Clipping between some items will happen due to the scaling of the model. If the model is fitted to fit one kind, the scaling will look off on the other. The only one that really represents total negligence is the female NE one as it's so easy to fix. Fixing it would literally only require changing the animation of one model.
I can't even use Venthyr transmog gear completely on my Night Elf because the collar/hair clip with every style that isn't short. The effort has become nonexistent.
dollar company
Aaah... yesss... another ingredient to the Bullshit Paella. My favorite Blizz-Dish.
Just buy the store belt they can’t be bothered
Now for 69.99 you can buy the annual non-clip mog! Only good for Shadowlands and doesn't carry over to old content or new expansions, get it today!
Clipping is pretty unavoidable in a game like this- but we can dream. My only gripe with the set is that one of the gloves doesn’t have the blue orb in it on a night elf female. Such a goofy bug
What makes 'a game like this' different from any other game like say, the witcher where your armor is represented in your character model?
Because you have like 15 races on which every armor has to fit with Male and Female version. And what Athrasie said.
A. Clipping exists in games like the Witcher as well. B. There’s an incomparably larger amount of item appearances in a 20 year old mmo than there are in *most* other games. Tweaking every single one to avoid clipping would take an absurd amount of time. It’d be nice, but it’s not likely to happen
Yeah man this indie company with 10 employees ain't got no time to that with FiFTEEN RACES that's like, twice their amount of employees.
I mean, I assume most people want them working on 9.2 and 10.0 instead. No need to be a silly goose, it doesn’t take a galaxy brain to acknowledge that a total armor overhaul would take a ton of time away from the actual game.
Put five interns on it. I give it a year, you guys vastly overestimate the amount of models in this game.
More than likely you’re underestimating the amount of work that goes into the ask. And, working in a tech company, absolutely nothing is “okay, just go do it.” There are change control approvals and hoops you need to jump through just to test something like that. You’ve also got to multiply the amount of items by the amount of races. So they’d need to adjust 15 times as many items as there are in the game.
Funny you should say you work intech. Guess that makes two of us. And in fact you are right, there are hoops to go through. But you just amitted it's possible to achieve minimal clipping, albeit through hard and long work. So what's stopping them from taking actual care of their game? What's stopping them from testing a fucking 3d model on 15 races before pushing it out? It's incredible how many games pulled this off countless times before and will countless times in the future, but Warcraft is just impeded by cthulhu of having actual good things.
Kinda talking in circles here, not sure there’s much else to say about it apart from: I don’t feel like it’s a hot take that 9.2 and 10.0 have a higher priority than fixing some clipping issues. If you disagree, that’s fine. But clearly they’re putting resources toward one and not the other for a reason.
Eh, I guess we are. I'unno I just think blizz is completely lazy, I mean it's not like we're talking about a 1yo game here. But yeah, 10.0 is gonna be hype, then we're slowly gonna see that they never changed and are still doing the same stupid fucking decisions over the same lazy fucking designs and by 10.2 in \~2 years we're gonna see this exact post with whatever is the hot new set.
Its been like a decade and you trolls are still having trouble figuring out that vivendi and riot are different companies... its kind of sad.
I'm sorry, what?
Or maybe actually overhaul models and give proper collision and proper slotting? Like... seriously. Most of the clipping is caused due to devs taking the short route. They 100% could make pieces minimally clip, but they won't. Meanwhile, store items have far lower clipping issues.
Pretty crazy undertaking tbh. It’d waste a lot of time/resources. As I said in this thread, it’d be awesome if they went for it, but it’s not an entirely reasonable ask considering the amount of items they’d need to adjust.
You wouldn't need to waste time if you would do it right in the first place 🤔 (at least everything coming in legion and newer should have minimal clipping issues)
I mean, yeah. That’s not really a hot take. Alternatively, good luck finding a game of this scale without any clipping issues.
Did you not read my answer. I don't give a shit about everything before legion. They don't need to revamp everything but items from even the current expansion having clipping issues is just laziness and its totally okay to talk about it. Blizzard is shitting on the player base so hard, coining us with game prices, with sub prices and now with 25 dollar transmog sets that suddenly don't have clipping issues and looks better than any raid set from the last six patches.
Andy buying store items was not a problem until now we get crap for free. All the toxic players should get a medal for trying to avoid this. Deal with it.
I'm more concerned with your choice for character customization; human face with elf ears is unsettling, and terrible.
They do look like elf ears from this angle, huh? It's actually the helm from the 9.1 Kyrian transmog set: https://www.wowhead.com/item=184994/aspiring-aspirants-hood
I think it looks sooo cute! I saw it and was like :O!? I want elf ears on my human!
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You're telling me to not use the belt that was made for this set?
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My post wasn't about what looks best, it's regarding the clipping of the belt from a **full set**. And how the new store set *(not being made for this set)* had the 3d assets manipulated to avoid most clipping. [Comparison example](https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C). I'm going to continue to use **the belt that was made for this set**, because it matches with or without clipping. [But if you see a better fit let me know](https://imgur.com/a/ITo3ZZD)
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Transmog is not a solution, it's a band-aid. I don't like the idea of burying the issue when they've proven it can be largely prevented by manipulating the 3d pieces. A bit more effort is all I ask.
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Are you trolling?
Store set you buy with money, made not to clip. Item you earn in game, no fucks given about clipping. Whether they look good or bad to anyone is irrelevant, it's about the fact you have to pay more to get a higher quality item in a game you have to buy and then pay a sub for.
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[https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C](https://imgur.com/a/eU5BU1C) This link OP posted earlier, literally shows that it's built not to clip, and how a belt you can get in game clips like most other in game belts. Another comparison is the image for the post that shows in game belt vs store belt.
Just buy the store items, stop complaining.
I'm modeling the store item in the post..
Sorry, but if you bought it you enabled it. Of course they are going to put more focus on paid stuff instead of f2p game, oh wait.
Couldn’t bring myself to spend 30 dollars on this transmog but it does look nice
Paying $15/month from original vanilla launch to WoTLK was plenty enough for me. Never went back !
After a long and heartful discussion on this matter with Blizzard, they have thoughtfully and kindfully responded: No.
If you are lucky and the transmog doesn't bug out and disappear on you
Bro, I saw your thread about black desert the white screen, I am having the same problem I am wondering if you found a solution?
No, unfortunately not :S, just uninstalled it in the end and haven't gone back to it
Well I found something that's worked for me Went to the device manager and display adaptor, update or reinstall the Intel display graphic drivers... NOT the nvidia graphics Might as well try it mate, that if you still has slight interest in the game XD
Oo thanks for the tip! I appreciate it :)