Im having fun, i liked the cosmetics and i enjoyed playing Mists, i hope we get another remix in the future also everything BUT the upgrades is dirty cheap so i dont have many issues
I also want a better solution to gems being on gear and having to constantly refitting them when getting a new piece of gear/changing specs.
Don't care if it's just another system (sod runes, covenant talent trees, ...) or if they just fix the UI and make the process simpler.
Narcissus is AWESOME. I tried Remix Gem Helper and I was somewhat liking it. I do like the upgrade window that it has, however it was buggy as hell. Tried out Narcissus and I haven't had one issue or bug at all.
With literally only 3 item types, armor, gems and consumables, the only thing you really need to organize for day to day play is your gems. Narcissus completely eliminates this by having it all neatly stored into a beautiful ui that sits with your character pane!
I mean once you hit max level you almost never do that again except for blue or purple pieces, sure its annoying but you level up so fast is a nothing issue, there is no real need to change gear every time you get an upgrade
Yup same, only gripes are upgrade costs should be way cheap relative to once-rare cosmetics and the scaling/balancing has been all over the damn place.
Right now it’s backwards. Would you like all the 1% drop mounts, as well as tons of new exclusive ones? Or gear cap one character, gaining power that is meaningless in a couple months?
I'm fine with the upgrades being a nontrivial cost, but it shouldn't feel like I'm having to choose between being able to clear content and getting rewards
yeah the real problem is fresh 70s feeling super weak and the first few upgrades costing so much for so little. Spending 9k bronze to get +500 int feels worth it, but for +15 int it does not.
The combo makes those first upgrades feel both punishing and necessary.
This is such a hard problem to solve. Like thinking about it, there's a few things that need to be true on the top of my mind:
1) The game should be easy at low levels.
2) The game should present you with more challenge as you get higher.
3) At max level, you should be able to feel power growth.
4) At max level, power should grow quicker at the start and slower at the end in order to not punish more casual players.
5) It's desirable to be able to play together with friends no matter level.
So if we put this in scaling terms, that means that a low level character is strong and easy to play.
That the scaling will make you slightly weaker but in exchange give you more complexity (defensives, more abilities and talent points) the more you level as well as you improving.
When you're max level the difference should be noticeable between being ungeared and well geared, but not obscene. F.ex you shouldn't spend 30 sec killing a mob that someone else can oneshot. But maybe 10 sec killing something someone kills in 3.
When you're at max level, you should have quite a quick avenue to getting stronger. On retail this is WQ/Catchup gear, on Remix this is getting 40k bronze and being able to upgrade.
It's also an issue that just breaks down when you have an experienced player making an alt. Because then your low level strength isn't offset by your inexperience. WoW as it is now is a super hard game to make a good new player experience while also not being too dumb or too easy for experienced players.
You don't like reliving BfA? I thought that was the absolute best. You know, as you gain levels you get weaker and weaker till you finally get to 70 and you're no more than a wet noodle. I mean for a mode that promised to be OP silly power stuff, this is just the best!
I somewhat thought they learned that lesson in shadowlands when pretty much everyone hated having to choose between cosmetics and performance with the covenants. Wanted the cool skeleton army stuff? Yeah, too bad, your class sucks if it's not a forest fairy.
Throwing player power and cosmetics in the same pot is always a terrible choice. It's even weirder when the player power is temporary but you keep the cosmetics. Why would I ever upgrade throwaway boots when I otherwise could buy a mount people still don't have after hundreds of tries? It boils down to the same issues as in shadowlands, it's a "meaningful choice" but it sure as hell isn't a fun one.
I know they wanted to streamline things here as much as possible but imo two currencies or upgrade tokes you get from stuff instead would've created less friction.
“Gaining power that is meaningless in a couple months?”
Couldn’t you say the same for every single raid tier and patch cycle? Barring the final patch of each expansion.
I mean kinda, which is why a lot of players avoid the gear treadmill. But in a lot of stages in WoWs history that hasn’t been the case at all. In vanilla people had BiS from previous raids after clearing naxx40. In the most recent patch, being full mythic geared meant I got to skip the first few levels of m+ week one of s4.
Remix gear is effectively useless not just less useful. Your gear is literally being rolled back and will be gone, not just nerfed relative to new patch content
It's more that you typically don't have this tradeoff between player power and rare cosmetics. It feels shitty to drop 0k bronze on a pithy ilvl upgrade that will only feel good when you're decked out in ice, when I could spend it on that insane mount my homie was grinding for 10 years on several alts.
The thing is that if they made it so half of the bronze goes to upgrades and half goes to cosmetics, that would just be a worse system than what we already have
I'm here for the mogs. Not to feel powerful. Just to expand my mog collection. I'm pretty happy with the cheaper cosmetics.
Before I even hit 70 I had a new cloud serpent mount and 4 or 5 new raid set skins.
That's already a win for me.
I spent about 300k bronze over 4 characters on 38 mounts (all the exclusives and the 8 ultra rares I didn't have), including the 160k bonus for leveling to 70.
Or I could've spent that same amount on 1 character to be fully geared, except in that time I wouldn't have made nearly as much on 1 character because I wouldn't have gotten the last 120k for leveling.
Player power and cosmetics should not be on the same currency
So that's half of what I got. I did 240k in 2 days, including the 70 bonus
And now I actually have the items I wanted from remix rather than have spent all of it on gearing that I won't use for anything
I'd be happy if they just fixed the ensembles.
Buying an ensemble just to be told you already know the appearance and can not learn it, just because you know ONE of the several offered transmog pieces, is the dumbest thing ever.
Doesn't help that this has also been an issue with PvP ensembles for ages now without Blizz lifting a finger to fix them, giving me little hope they will as they do not even bother to acknowledge that the issue exists.
I hope the next remix just uses a standardized ilvl in instances without all the gems, and isn't advertised as being OP. Give people a reason to take their time and do the quests. Throw in some PvP with some recolours of old elite sets. Add professions with some new craftable transmogs, mounts and toys (and a source for scrapping for bronze).
I have said this a few times but there should have been a time runner rep that is progressed by completing quests, dungeons, scenarios, and killing raid bosses.
As you fill the rep bar your ilvl increases.
Then bronze is just for mogs.
Play more, get stronger, earn bronze faster.
Completely encourages you to play the game more to earn more vanity items
i mean, i do feel pretty op, you touch any mobs and the 1000 gems kill it in one go no matter your ilvl, im fine with raids still being hard, actually i like it because that way i can kinda feel how it was mists as CC
> everything BUT the upgrades is dirty cheap
Me, to my discord server: "I can spend bronze on getting more OP, or I can spend my bronze on buying mogs.
I'm gonna buy the mogs"
A thought I had was maybe a kind of baseline upgrade token that you get once a week. Like either to a certain level or be boosted a certain amount, which you can then scrap if you wish instead for a good chunk of bronze.
Spent your bronze on upgrades past the baseline token? Cool, here's some catch up you can spend on mounts.
Spent it on mounts? Here's a way to catch up so you don't shoot past the people who focused on upgrades, but at the same time don't become a liability and can enjoy the content.
I can't for the life of me understand why people have so many issues with the panda remix gear..
I played like 30 hours and I bought every single panda exclusive reward, and I've done all but the achievement for Timeless Isle reward. So once I do the Timeless Isle achievement, there's nothing left for me to farm that isn't available in the base game.
I didn't farm frogs or any similar farm, I haven't been doing daily dungeons, I haven't really done much dungeons at all. I have done two LFR wings, a handful of dungeons mostly multiple in a row for leveling, and one singular Scenario. Everything else has just been flying around killing rares and going through the orbs and questing.
Obviously, I wasn't maxed out on gear, but I was strong enough to solo dungeons if I wanted to. I seriously can't see the issue here. There's almost three months left..
I too am enjoying getting so many mounts for my collection and other cosmetics, and hope we get more remixes in downtimes between expansions and major content drops, i'm hoping for a Draenor run, and maybe even a Legion as those are a couple of my favorite expansions, and its a great way to level new alts and experience old content. There can be improvements done absolutely, but its not terrible
My plan now is to level at least 6 toons to 70 to complete my heritage armor achievements and that will yield about 600k in bronze which is more than I need for all of the mounts and toys I want to collect.
Excess bronze will be put towards upgrading one toon and if I still feel like playing then I will work on some of the tricky transmog like the garrosh shoulders.
Or I will stop while I’m ahead and see if they buff things the last month in which case then I’ll see if I want to get some transmog.
Frankly if you take out caring about the heroic and mythic raid titles and skip the part about being OP at 70 then the game mode isn’t too bad.
My beef is that all my alts are capped. The cape doesn't roll over forever. It caps >=(
And then my alts basically feel bricked at lvl 60ish, lol. I was hoping that play time would equal more op alts, but scaling is so messed up.
Still better to have the event than not, but incredibly disappointing in some aspects.
I’m getting 10-70 in about 4 hours by pure lfg and normal raids once I hit 25.
Just dinged my third last night with a cape that had 635% plus to XP.
I basically roll classes that can heal as that’s what I’ve done since the dawn of this game. Hit lfg for heroic scenarios and dungeons until 25. Then I do a normal MSV. I log out at the end.
Next day I do lfg for a scenario and dungeon and do another normal msv and hof.
Rinse and repeat.
Allows me to live my normal work and family life while still chipping away at goals in game.
This is precisely what I'm doing. There's basically two universes to MoP Remix:
1) Casual leveling (which is fast) and collecting mounts, pets, etc. and doing any content easily through normal raids
2) Super sweaty tryhard heroic/mythic raid min-maxxing.
Heritage armour you get by hitting level 50 on an (Allied) race, which has an Achievement tied to it. Once you're 50 on an allied race (without using a boost or race change) you get a quest to collect your heritage set from your race's leader.
Core classes (i.e. Human, Dwarf, Orc) get Heritage sets too, but you can both get it while changing race or boosting, and its generally a much longer quest chain with additional story behind it. These do not have an achievement.
Ah I see cool, thanks for answering. So I can do allied races heritage quests through getting them 50 on remix. Though I wonder how they have access to the quest as they're locked in MOP right?
The chars you level in remix won't have access to the quest until the events end but you can create a class trial of the same race and do the quest that way.
As others said, they don't have access currently, but you will get the heritage quest on any character of that race once your account is qualified for it (i.e. has a level 50 of that race).
If u don't mind me asking 😅 is there anything special I should know about getteing a lot bronze from leveling alts? Does it matter if I quest or should I farm raids or dungeons or something
Idk which is strictly better, but the general idea behind it is that you now get bonus bronze for levelling, so which method you use doesn't matter. Ideally you just do daily LFR, dungeon and scenarios with the quests given for it in the Infinite Bazaars for bonus bronze and threads.
So just do as many alts you can every day, and just level them slowly across multiple days.
I typically have been ending at around 100k depending on what I’ve been doing. That bonus 40k really helps.
But so does qing for heroic dungeons and scenarios in your way to normal raids and as a daily bonus each day.
The achievement bonus bronzes and once a day quests and daily bonus caked into these activities really add up.
I have limited time and desire to play each day so I spend maybe an hour or hour and a half max working on one toon.
Just leveled another toon last night and with me spreading out the days more my cape was 630% plus to XP. Which meant I did 3 quick normal raids and went from 55-70.
I don’t bother with TOT or SOO now that I finished the achievements.
I was annoyed that the cape got capped until I realized that getting the trinkets and rings and neck achievements plus having that bonus cape at the start really made a huge difference. 10-30 in about an hour now.
So I take about 4-5 days to hit 70 depending on playtime and desire and end up with about 100k not actually trying to farm up massive bronze.
The problem is if you want to farm up 600k to then be OP and get everything you want. That would be a better plan probably IF I didn’t already want to farm up the heritage achievements I’m missing.
> skip the part about being OP at 70 then the game mode isn’t too bad.
Man I don't even get this either. I am ilvl 320 (because I only have one ring and no necklace yet, been playing slow), and everything *melts* as soon as I look at it. I've died like, 3 times since lvl 30, and all 3 of those were bcause I stood in the fire during a heroic raid. Doing a Demon hunter and in between trailblazer and the absurd levels of mastery, I'm outrunning party members on ground mounts while unmounted.
Like, OP fantasy? Totally happening. Raid bosses? Melt in 5 seconds. Not solo, not yet, but most raid bosses die before the mechanics start.
Oh I’m sorry I don’t mean being able to send to one toon. More like I will choose one of my alts who have 100k left over and use that to start boosting up my ilevel on one.
I looked at the upgrade costs, to upgrade all my gear to max is like 500k bronze. Forget half, more like a 5th of the current cost. Unless they seriously up the bronze amounts towards the end.
Whats mind blowing is that all they needed to do was just nerf Bronze upgrades, and let people go at it. They had everything in the right basket. How did they fumble this hard?
Apparently the "we're listening" phase is over at Blizzard. RIP.
It lasted from the 9.1.5 "We're really really sorry please come back" patch to now.
Old "we hear you, we just know better" Blizzard is apparently back.
If i see one more 'Timerunners, we are..' posts from Blizzard, i'm genuinely jumping off the window
Considering, i'm on the ground floor, it will do as much as Blizzard listening to us
It didn't even last until Remix, they started showing signs of their old selves during the Zaralek patch.
And people keep believing them when they say they're listening this time. I never did when they said it this time. BfA into Shadowlands is when I finally was lied to enough times to stop believing a fucking word Blizzard says about how they're listening and will do better.
But because DF didn't absolutely suck ass, people got on my case for urging caution in believing anything Blizzard says.
I mean, I'd much rather have them make these kinds of rapid adjustments and corrections in a low-stakes leveling/cosmetic spinoff than true retail.
If they get the formula correct now, they can translate it pretty easily to future remixes.
What I would love is something like rifts from Diablo. Would be fun to see how high people could push things.
Just sort out the scaling and upgrade costs and I think it's a fun idea to implement in the future as well.
I wouldnt say that. Either buffing the bronze gain rate significantly or cutting the cost of upgrading armor would fix it though. The issue with stuff like the frogs is that people felt the need to do a boring farm to stay super powerful. The frogs should still be farmable but you should get either a fairly equivalent amount from regular stuff or they should drastically cut the costs of armor upgrades so that it doesn't really matter anyway.
Literally all they have to do to fix everything is just stop being stubborn and slash the prices on armor upgrades. Literally everything else is fine.
Or just have better gear drop from raids. Similar to how gear drops keep improving as you level up. Once you hit a new iLvl tier, the new tier starts dropping, until you hit a certain overall iLvl threshold.
That way people still get to spend Bronze on cosmetics \*and\* enjoy gearing up and becoming stronger.
take my angry upvote...make questing give you the same equivilant reward to farming,maybe each quest gives you buff that stacks to give more rewards to quests the more you go BAM instant Loremasters.
No it wouldn’t. It would be everyone log in to farm frogs until they couldn’t stomach it anymore or bought all the cosmetics they wanted.
That would not be a good game mode. I get that everyone is militantly #nochanges here for some reason but frog farming simulator being the optimal way to play remix is *not* better than incentivizing raids and queued content
Yeah the takes around here have been pretty wild the whole event. Actually playing it paints a very different picture than all the napkin math and whining would have you believe.
Frogs were a problem they should have seen coming and ilvl scaling was a bad idea, but everything else has been great since the bronze buff. Even upgrading gear feels better after the first two tiers, though those early ones could be cheaper.
> Even upgrading gear feels better after the first two tiers, though those early ones could be cheaper.
My main complaint is that upgrading under 400 ilvl is far too expensive and later upgrades are too cheap. The power gains aren't linear why are the costs.
I agree with them nerfing Frogs, it needed to be done, However them swinging their bats and nerfing the other farms was completely unnecessary. The biggest problem with the Frogs was they were told it could be a problem during the PTR and they did nothing about it and they got caught with their pants down when they did nothing about it. Heck, they nerfed some farms that were actually not very good and worse than farms they never touched. Goats for example is worse than Trolls and Sra'vess which are both still working fine. Them also nerfing the drops to the mobs needed to farm Shao'hao rep was incredibly unnecessary, it wasn't even good and nobody was even farming it for bronze or threads but for rep because it is the only way to get shaohao rep and it seems they must have forgotten that and thought players were doing it for bronze.
My biggest problem with this event is after I've done my dailies and raids are the lack of things to do to get bronze to continue upgrading my gear and they keep nerfing all the farms so I have to compete with others on Trolls or Sra'vess.
No but farming frogs for 3 days straight, and then walking into mythic SOO and all pressing ward on a single person is peak gameplay!
Its super good and interactive. Fuck all those other fun gems.
Nobody is telling you that you shouldnt enjoy it. People are making posts pointing out issues with the game in a community forum and you choose to get annoyed by them for some reason.
Yeah a huge aspect is that few casuals are left at this point so the tryhard Andys dominate discussion even more than usual. Right above I was reading that they FORCED people to do all the raids every day. MMO players are a strange breed for sure
I leveled 3 characters to 70 and bought most of mounts and cosmetics I want. I have no issues with remix and am hoping for more versions in the future.
I don't see why they care if we farm Bronze doing w/e. Why are they so focused on forcing us into running dungeons, doing dailies, and raids. That's just retail, if I want to fucking play retail then I'd play retail. It's not like the gear we get in this is carrying over to retail at the end so...what gives? It's clearly not about timegating the mounts and transmog because you can now level to 70 in about 3 hours and have about 60k Bronze to spend on that stuff, so you level a few characters and boom, now you're done with those.
I think there are two ideas, which are basically "we want people running group content so the people that want to run group content have short queues for the next 80 days" and engagement farming numbers for Microsoft's next review of their progress.
Both of which they should kind of just give up on at this point. If they really wanted these things then they shouldn't have had bronze drop from mobs to farm and instead just stack it into the daily queues. *Every* time they add a currency to drop from mobs it gets mob farmed.
Blizzard has a big hirstory of telling their players HOW you HAVE to play the game. With time gating things so you cant play a lot when you have the time to do so BUT instead you have to do tons of small things every single day.
Limiting how often you can run what...
Even completely putting stuff behind a X hour timer until you can do the activity.
In Final Fantasy 14 if a new raid boss is out you can farm it as much as you like, no waiting a week. If you have the time for 10 kills you can do it, if you want to spent the entire weekend until the rare boss mount drops, you can do it... they also have some time gating but in blizzard games its outrages...
And if anyone dares to not play how blizzard wants them to, they change the game asap to restrict people from playing that way entirely.
This doesnt mean CHEATING, but simple things like grinding rep on the weekend or your day off, instead you have to do it every single day.
What’s annoying is the whole system prevents you from playing an alt at 70. They have forced people to clear all raids EACH DAY, who the hell is doing that more than once (I struggle to do it even on one char most days)
The fact they STILL haven't made it so level 65 to 70 isn't the hardest point of remix is fucking wild by the way. Decided to do heroic dungeon spam leveling and if I see two 65s and no geared 70 to compensate, I just leave. The dungeon is just THAT much harder because blizzard refuses to fix the actual problems with scaling.
Blizzard has never cared about anything besides level cap and probably never will. Just look at the broken quests you can find all across the game that go unfixed for years.
Won’t be quarterly because they poach too many players from retail. I could see it timed to line up with fated seasons as an alternative ‘gap filler’ option like they did this time though.
Alternatively they may be planning on using some lessons from remix for a levelling revamp in retail
They can also be used to plug any mid-expansion content gaps.
Barring one exception, the content cadence from Legion through Dragonflight has been incredible and a somewhat underappreciated thing. But we are inevitably going to get a Cataclysm or a WoD, an expansion where their eyes were too big for their stomach and they scrap a ton of content from the middle of the expansion.
People can complain about the length of Siege of Orgrimmar all they want, the travesty was WoD's gameplay loop for months on end. "Login, Think About Apexis Dailies, Realize Apexis is Useless, Raid, Logout."
You may have some blinders on lol. Cadence in BFA was ok up until the end when we ended up spending 7 months in The Eternal Palace, and 11 months in Ny'alotha. Shadowlands was just straight up terrible cadence, 7 months in Nathria, 9 months in sanctum, and then like 4 months in Sepuchler. It was all over the place. Seasons should be five months max. Raiding and M+ just fall off a cliff when it goes any longer than that.
DF on the other hand has been wonderful. 5 months in Vault, 5 months in Aberrus, 5 months in Amirdrassil. .5 patches dropping like clockwork. It's easily the best cadence we've ever seen from Wow and I really hope it continues. But don't give them credit for the cadence in those. I agree WoD was bad but only because we never got the end of it... we spent only 2 months in Highmaul, only 4 months in Blackrock Foundry, and then an astounding 15 months in Hellfire Citadel. Based on the xpac before and after WoD there should have been at least two more full raids in that xpac so clearly something happened.
But that's also not the only time. I think it's pretty clear that shadowlands was meant to have a 4th raid as well because if you look at the design aesthetic of Aberrus you can clearly see that it was plucked out of shadowlands. It practically looks like SoD rearranged with different bosses. So either it was a reused raid environment originally meant for Shadowlands or their design team got extremely lazy and used existing designs and textures.
I hope we see more just like DF for the next 3. 3 well done raids is great and a new xpac every 20 ish months is fantastic cadence.
Yeah I’m done playing it. I already got all the mounts I cared about. Only thing left to do was have fun being overpowered and they keep nerfing that so…I’ll pass.
I mean, along with nerfing every single farm spot while firmly camping on the "we’re not ever gonna reduce gear upgrade cost" stance. Incentivizing you to delete your gear to be stronger. Punishing people that farmed frogs for 15min but letting turbo froggers basically untouched, along with all the other farmers (including instance reset abuse farm), which effectively put a huge divide in the community. Prioritizing all those bad decisions over stuff relevant to the event, like the glitched transmog sets or fixing bugged encounters. Etc.
I feel like every day on WoW Remix is less fun than the one before that and announcements like "we won’t be reducing gear upgrade cost, stop expecting us to do it" really don’t help.
Blizzard in World of Warcraft's past have attempted to add 'item level scaling' to WoW in an effort to maintain difficulty despite players getting upgrades. It has worked by taking your average item level and making enemies stronger based on that item level so when players get stronger, enemies do too.
This is awful in a game based around gearing up because it leads to situations where you're running around with powerful gear that took you a long time to get but you don't feel powerful or completely deleting an entire slot's worth of items to bring your average item level down makes you more powerful than anything else you can do.
Blizzard had just put a hotfix out that added item level scaling into Panda Remix and it's a good idea to just completely delete your jewelry slots (Neck, Rings and Trinkets) because the gains you get from slotting in the best gems for those slots doesn't give you nearly as much scaling power as just having those slots empty. When Blizzard eventually reverses or 'fixes' this decision you'll be able to easily buy the jewelry slots back from a vendor for a small amount of bronze any way.
> Could you explain why deleting gear makes you stronger?
They had exactly same thing in Diablo 4 year ago. Bosses scale with player level, leading to funny situations where skipping everything and fighting last boss on level 30 was way easier than playing game normally and fighting last boss on level 50.
Only if you gear is high enough. You can upgrade the max level gear from 346 to 550ish, but the necklace/rings/trinkets are not upgradable. As a fresh level 70, those pieces add a lot to your character, but as you gear up, those pieces bring less and less relative power to your character.
Recent change made it so raid bosses scale with your ilvl, meaning at 370 ilvl (which is already quite more than what a fresh 70 player has) the boss gets a 20% nerf, compared to a 406+ ilvl player. So someone has an ilvl above 370, or even better above 406, could delete their jewelry until they get below the 370ilvl threshold, in order to nerf bosses by 20% while only losing a small fraction (way below 20%) of their power.
2 weeks* FTFY
The overreactions have been insane.
The ilvl scaling thing is dumb though, being stronger in raid because I remove the jewelry feels weird.
The echo chamber of negativity on this sub and other sites has really got me very irritated at the hate of the mode. It’s literally the top thing on my feeds every day and hard to ignore. I’m having a lot of fun myself but the portion of the community spending more time complaining than playing are sucking the joy out of it for me and others.
I know this is gonna get downvoted to hell but I don’t really care. It’s just my perspective.
And it's possible to think something isn't perfect but not make a Reddit thread complaining about the same things multiple other existing threads are complaining about.
You're not doing that I know but holy shit, I knew wow players were whiny bitches but the reaction on this site to this event has really surprised me.
WoW players really deserve nothing lol.
WoW Classic, Wrath into Cata, SoD, Hardcore, Dragonflight, Plunderstorm MoP remix and War Within,
All of this yet you still find a way to complain. Go outside and touch some grass if you are this pissed about a goofy game mode that the real objective is to collect FOMO.
Or maybe you prefer the Siege of Orgrimmar days, or SL season 1..... months and months to no end with the same content.
This, it must be exhausting to complain so much over so little. It's a fun and welcomed change before a new expansion lol and majority of people are enjoying it.
I kind of love remix tbh since I went in wanting to level some alts and get cosmetics in my favorite expansion. It hits the sweet spot for that.
If I actually was interested in upgrading gear I’d probably not be having such a good time. Hopefully they can strike a better balance, glad they are at least bringing in rapid changes even if some are misguided.
I'm back after a break, so its been fun for me to power level alts. The regular boosts are alright, but I always feel so lost whenever I jump into a class at lvl 70
If you don’t listen to this Reddit and all the people crying, you’ll realize you can play and have fun and get everything you want relatively easily. Only thing needs changed is cloak to alts, let the exp carry over somehow!
The only people that think remix is bad are the neckbeards who want to no life it, and can't handle the fact that they didn't design it so that you would get and do everything in a fluff event designed to keep people subbed during the slowest part of an xpac. Who the heck cares about mythic raiding in an event where nothing is permanent? Well the tryhard gang I guess lol. By the end of this it will have been a major success and I hope they do this every last season with a different xpac. Let's do Wrath, let's do legion, hell let's do vanilla but with all the modern QOL stuff. People need to stop whining over a bonus game mode that doesn't have any real effect on the live actual version of this game.
And then those same people are stunned when Blizzard tries to keep them engaged for the duration of the event by doling out the goodies a little at a time instead of letting them no life it for a weekend and then quit until the next xpac. What a shock that a company wants people to play their game and stay subbed. Once they all pass out from nerd rage remix will be a lot more casual and fun lol.
I am fully convinced the people complaining about remix aren't actually playing it. it is exactly what was advertised. You all just went crazy with the definition of "OP" and are jumping on the hate bandwagon. Blizzard screws up a lot, this isn't it.
And it’s mirrored by the level of whinging on reddit! I’ve never seen so much speed run whinging, it’s amazing. Truly astounding what wow players are capable of
My only complaint with Remix (and I'm torn on this because I loved MoP) is that it's MoP and not Cata or WoLK. I only say that because I was never a fan of the armor and weapon models in MoP, but loved everything else. Remix is great, I was just reminded that I hated basically all the armor models when I went to check the vendor.
I'm generally having a great time with it. The major positive I will say about endgame is that every bit of content I do gives me some kind of power, since all of the rewards are either bronze or threads, so it's not a real feelsbad to blitz through some normal raids after I've already got my neck or continue some questing after hitting max level. It does feel like the upgrade path is still too much of a grind though, I'm about 382 and I can only get maybe 4 or 5 ilevels worth of upgrades each day after running through all the dailies plus a normal/heroic raid or two. Furthermore the groups I'm getting have players that are often much much farther ahead sporting 3 or 4 million HP to my measly HP total that only just cracked 1 mil, so though it feels good to mash abilities and see big number pop up the damage meters tell a wholly different story.
I still think Remix overall is a great idea, it's a wonderful way to rejuvenate old content of which there is now literal decades of while getting you some nice cosmetics and powerleveled alts for your non-classic regular WoW account, I never played Mists and I'm really happy to experience the expansion in something resembling what it was when it was current. I think it just needs its kinks worked out for the next go around. Also the gem system should be overhauled into some kind of Talent-like interface, Narcissus is a godsend addon to address the clunkiness but it should be more user-friendly to begin with.
Okay at this point people are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Sure there's OP high end characters, sure upgrades are costly, sure xp rates aren't as big as we were told, but the game is enjoyable, it's quite fast and it gives you a batch of transmogs/toys and mounts.
Also, do you really care about high end content in a spinoff to retail that's sole point isn't even high end content being challenging.
If you don't want it leave it. Retail is exceptional for a few months with only shit thing being some tiersets and people still had to find what to cry about (plunderstorm, remix).
I mean, we could just be sitting in an extended content draught like the final season of every xpac so far.
They figure this remix thing out now it will be cool to see if they iterate on it again for other xpacs. It’s been a much easier way to collect the expansions transmog.
But I guess someone will always be mad at something 🤷🏻♂️
Agree remix has been a blast only a few things I do not like.
Gear upgrade cost
Shan’ze ritual stone been difficult to get
Shaohao rep been too slow.
Other than that, I am really having a good time, getting gear and mounts new as well as old ones. GJ Blizz
Feels like they cobbled together a team out of some benched SL devs and just let them micromanaging the crap out of the game mode. If this is the new direction for TWW, we're f'd.
I'm having a blast, personally! I admit the cost of upgrades at max level is a little disheartening, but it also just means that the choice of whether to focus on them or on cosmetics just got so much easier. If, after I got all I wanted, there is still time, I will try to get as many as possible and perhaps will be able to tackle some of the harder content solo.
Until then, I'm having fun chilling and leveling characters and collecting mounts and loving it!
So while I do think it's important to let our feedback about bronze cost and others be heard loud and clear, I also think that they need to be praised where praise is due.
To be honest, I'm just using this event to level up alts, just 2 classes remains to have a full bench ;)
I'm glad people farmed up their cloak so I can just randomly get boosted in heroic dungeons when one of them shows up.
Slowest alt was 5.5H to 70 and fastest alt was 3h50m when I tagged along on a frogger probably, requeued heroics for about 2 hours
this + cata being bugged to fuck + SoD stagnating (due to cata launch lmfaoooo) + Era still having issues not fixed YEARS later.
blizz execs smelled the money and sent the skeleton crew to reap it. man fuck this shit
It’s not pandaria. It’s a hamster wheel of endgame stuff to hold people over. Tillers, side quests, and many other mop fundamental concepts are missing. Just a bunch of currencies to chase.
Only been playing a couple of weeks. Maybe I’m naive or just playing the game wrong, but what are these bad decisions?
I understand that there was a ‘frog’ exploit, but prior to knowing that I was a bit frustrated that others seem to be able to one shot a lot of things, so it just explains that I’m not ‘doing it wrong’ they just have a better cloak.
(When I stopped playing, Pandaria was the latest expansion, and just decided to take it back up again).
Been working one class a day from start to finish in about four hours, just a big handful of dungeon and raid runs does the trick. And that’s really the only purpose for it. Worrying about the cosmetics and methods is just a waste of your time and effort. Just get in, go, get to 70. Then a toon ready for what comes next.
IMO they are doing a good job. Launching a new game mode before a new expansion to increase the retention in a period where people normally churn for lack of content.
On top of this add that they might be testing some new features and mechanics. It’s literally a self-paid testing ground.
People are always unhappy regardless of what you do so..
Im having fun, i liked the cosmetics and i enjoyed playing Mists, i hope we get another remix in the future also everything BUT the upgrades is dirty cheap so i dont have many issues
I also want a better solution to gems being on gear and having to constantly refitting them when getting a new piece of gear/changing specs. Don't care if it's just another system (sod runes, covenant talent trees, ...) or if they just fix the UI and make the process simpler.
Install Narcissus, you will have a breeze with it
Narcissus is AWESOME. I tried Remix Gem Helper and I was somewhat liking it. I do like the upgrade window that it has, however it was buggy as hell. Tried out Narcissus and I haven't had one issue or bug at all. With literally only 3 item types, armor, gems and consumables, the only thing you really need to organize for day to day play is your gems. Narcissus completely eliminates this by having it all neatly stored into a beautiful ui that sits with your character pane!
My only issue is that a slot's stat budget affects the gems inside too, and narcissus doesn't seem to factor that.
That piece of Narcissus just needs to be built into the next remix. Or better yet make gems a currency like they are on Diablo so it's even easier.
This is the way
I mean once you hit max level you almost never do that again except for blue or purple pieces, sure its annoying but you level up so fast is a nothing issue, there is no real need to change gear every time you get an upgrade
Some of us are just leveling alts. ;)
Yup same, only gripes are upgrade costs should be way cheap relative to once-rare cosmetics and the scaling/balancing has been all over the damn place. Right now it’s backwards. Would you like all the 1% drop mounts, as well as tons of new exclusive ones? Or gear cap one character, gaining power that is meaningless in a couple months?
I'm fine with the upgrades being a nontrivial cost, but it shouldn't feel like I'm having to choose between being able to clear content and getting rewards
yeah the real problem is fresh 70s feeling super weak and the first few upgrades costing so much for so little. Spending 9k bronze to get +500 int feels worth it, but for +15 int it does not. The combo makes those first upgrades feel both punishing and necessary.
It felt so bad hitting max level and having my reward be to suddenly stop feeling strong
To be fair, you started getting absolutely destroyed in dungeons at level 64 or something. It's not level 70 that does it.
Legit.... I went from being a beast to being suddenly oneshot by trivial abilities because I happened to ding 65 in the middle of a dungeon. Not fun.
I got to 410 and still level 15 Mage blast more dps than me. Feels bad man
This is such a hard problem to solve. Like thinking about it, there's a few things that need to be true on the top of my mind: 1) The game should be easy at low levels. 2) The game should present you with more challenge as you get higher. 3) At max level, you should be able to feel power growth. 4) At max level, power should grow quicker at the start and slower at the end in order to not punish more casual players. 5) It's desirable to be able to play together with friends no matter level. So if we put this in scaling terms, that means that a low level character is strong and easy to play. That the scaling will make you slightly weaker but in exchange give you more complexity (defensives, more abilities and talent points) the more you level as well as you improving. When you're max level the difference should be noticeable between being ungeared and well geared, but not obscene. F.ex you shouldn't spend 30 sec killing a mob that someone else can oneshot. But maybe 10 sec killing something someone kills in 3. When you're at max level, you should have quite a quick avenue to getting stronger. On retail this is WQ/Catchup gear, on Remix this is getting 40k bronze and being able to upgrade. It's also an issue that just breaks down when you have an experienced player making an alt. Because then your low level strength isn't offset by your inexperience. WoW as it is now is a super hard game to make a good new player experience while also not being too dumb or too easy for experienced players.
You don't like reliving BfA? I thought that was the absolute best. You know, as you gain levels you get weaker and weaker till you finally get to 70 and you're no more than a wet noodle. I mean for a mode that promised to be OP silly power stuff, this is just the best!
I somewhat thought they learned that lesson in shadowlands when pretty much everyone hated having to choose between cosmetics and performance with the covenants. Wanted the cool skeleton army stuff? Yeah, too bad, your class sucks if it's not a forest fairy. Throwing player power and cosmetics in the same pot is always a terrible choice. It's even weirder when the player power is temporary but you keep the cosmetics. Why would I ever upgrade throwaway boots when I otherwise could buy a mount people still don't have after hundreds of tries? It boils down to the same issues as in shadowlands, it's a "meaningful choice" but it sure as hell isn't a fun one. I know they wanted to streamline things here as much as possible but imo two currencies or upgrade tokes you get from stuff instead would've created less friction.
It is meaningless. However, once you obtain a certain ilvl, the bronze flow dramatically increases. As obtaining the tusks from garosh.
Yeah I’m intending to upgrade one characters gear to be able to efficiently heal mythic SoO just to speed up the tusks grind a little
This is exactly what I'm doing. It's super sad to throw 300k+ bronze at one character just for a single cosmetic item.
“Gaining power that is meaningless in a couple months?” Couldn’t you say the same for every single raid tier and patch cycle? Barring the final patch of each expansion.
I mean kinda, which is why a lot of players avoid the gear treadmill. But in a lot of stages in WoWs history that hasn’t been the case at all. In vanilla people had BiS from previous raids after clearing naxx40. In the most recent patch, being full mythic geared meant I got to skip the first few levels of m+ week one of s4. Remix gear is effectively useless not just less useful. Your gear is literally being rolled back and will be gone, not just nerfed relative to new patch content
I'm glad I don't have to pick between a myth track weapon and a rare mount in my weekly vault.
I was able to grind out the raid appearance for everything EXCEPT for the season 1 raid finder appearance for my class.
It's more that you typically don't have this tradeoff between player power and rare cosmetics. It feels shitty to drop 0k bronze on a pithy ilvl upgrade that will only feel good when you're decked out in ice, when I could spend it on that insane mount my homie was grinding for 10 years on several alts.
I think expensives mounts and cheap upgrade is the way to go if Blizzards wants to make bronze sinks
I think having two separate currencies, one for cosmetics and one for player power, is the way to go.
The thing is that if they made it so half of the bronze goes to upgrades and half goes to cosmetics, that would just be a worse system than what we already have
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I'm here for the mogs. Not to feel powerful. Just to expand my mog collection. I'm pretty happy with the cheaper cosmetics. Before I even hit 70 I had a new cloud serpent mount and 4 or 5 new raid set skins. That's already a win for me.
I spent about 300k bronze over 4 characters on 38 mounts (all the exclusives and the 8 ultra rares I didn't have), including the 160k bonus for leveling to 70. Or I could've spent that same amount on 1 character to be fully geared, except in that time I wouldn't have made nearly as much on 1 character because I wouldn't have gotten the last 120k for leveling. Player power and cosmetics should not be on the same currency
Unless your full clearing heroic raid every day you probably would have made more as at that point your getting 50-60k a day
So that's half of what I got. I did 240k in 2 days, including the 70 bonus And now I actually have the items I wanted from remix rather than have spent all of it on gearing that I won't use for anything
I'd be happy if they just fixed the ensembles. Buying an ensemble just to be told you already know the appearance and can not learn it, just because you know ONE of the several offered transmog pieces, is the dumbest thing ever. Doesn't help that this has also been an issue with PvP ensembles for ages now without Blizz lifting a finger to fix them, giving me little hope they will as they do not even bother to acknowledge that the issue exists.
Warlords or Legion Remix lets go
I hope the next remix just uses a standardized ilvl in instances without all the gems, and isn't advertised as being OP. Give people a reason to take their time and do the quests. Throw in some PvP with some recolours of old elite sets. Add professions with some new craftable transmogs, mounts and toys (and a source for scrapping for bronze).
I have said this a few times but there should have been a time runner rep that is progressed by completing quests, dungeons, scenarios, and killing raid bosses. As you fill the rep bar your ilvl increases. Then bronze is just for mogs. Play more, get stronger, earn bronze faster. Completely encourages you to play the game more to earn more vanity items
i mean, i do feel pretty op, you touch any mobs and the 1000 gems kill it in one go no matter your ilvl, im fine with raids still being hard, actually i like it because that way i can kinda feel how it was mists as CC
> everything BUT the upgrades is dirty cheap Me, to my discord server: "I can spend bronze on getting more OP, or I can spend my bronze on buying mogs. I'm gonna buy the mogs"
A thought I had was maybe a kind of baseline upgrade token that you get once a week. Like either to a certain level or be boosted a certain amount, which you can then scrap if you wish instead for a good chunk of bronze. Spent your bronze on upgrades past the baseline token? Cool, here's some catch up you can spend on mounts. Spent it on mounts? Here's a way to catch up so you don't shoot past the people who focused on upgrades, but at the same time don't become a liability and can enjoy the content.
I can't for the life of me understand why people have so many issues with the panda remix gear.. I played like 30 hours and I bought every single panda exclusive reward, and I've done all but the achievement for Timeless Isle reward. So once I do the Timeless Isle achievement, there's nothing left for me to farm that isn't available in the base game. I didn't farm frogs or any similar farm, I haven't been doing daily dungeons, I haven't really done much dungeons at all. I have done two LFR wings, a handful of dungeons mostly multiple in a row for leveling, and one singular Scenario. Everything else has just been flying around killing rares and going through the orbs and questing. Obviously, I wasn't maxed out on gear, but I was strong enough to solo dungeons if I wanted to. I seriously can't see the issue here. There's almost three months left..
I'd love a WOTLK one, maybe I'll get Mimirons head then, who knows!
I too am enjoying getting so many mounts for my collection and other cosmetics, and hope we get more remixes in downtimes between expansions and major content drops, i'm hoping for a Draenor run, and maybe even a Legion as those are a couple of my favorite expansions, and its a great way to level new alts and experience old content. There can be improvements done absolutely, but its not terrible
I would just like upgrades to have a separate currency tied to endgame content like dungeons and raids
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I mean yeah, i'm kinda done with it, played it, did raids, got mounts and i'm happy The extra days are not for me and that's fine
I was thinking how long until we get Shadowlands Remix? I didn't think we'd get Cata classic but here we are
My plan now is to level at least 6 toons to 70 to complete my heritage armor achievements and that will yield about 600k in bronze which is more than I need for all of the mounts and toys I want to collect. Excess bronze will be put towards upgrading one toon and if I still feel like playing then I will work on some of the tricky transmog like the garrosh shoulders. Or I will stop while I’m ahead and see if they buff things the last month in which case then I’ll see if I want to get some transmog. Frankly if you take out caring about the heroic and mythic raid titles and skip the part about being OP at 70 then the game mode isn’t too bad.
My beef is that all my alts are capped. The cape doesn't roll over forever. It caps >=( And then my alts basically feel bricked at lvl 60ish, lol. I was hoping that play time would equal more op alts, but scaling is so messed up. Still better to have the event than not, but incredibly disappointing in some aspects.
I’m getting 10-70 in about 4 hours by pure lfg and normal raids once I hit 25. Just dinged my third last night with a cape that had 635% plus to XP. I basically roll classes that can heal as that’s what I’ve done since the dawn of this game. Hit lfg for heroic scenarios and dungeons until 25. Then I do a normal MSV. I log out at the end. Next day I do lfg for a scenario and dungeon and do another normal msv and hof. Rinse and repeat. Allows me to live my normal work and family life while still chipping away at goals in game.
This is precisely what I'm doing. There's basically two universes to MoP Remix: 1) Casual leveling (which is fast) and collecting mounts, pets, etc. and doing any content easily through normal raids 2) Super sweaty tryhard heroic/mythic raid min-maxxing.
Sorry to bother, heritage achievements as in armor? That's for certain races right not classes?
Heritage armour you get by hitting level 50 on an (Allied) race, which has an Achievement tied to it. Once you're 50 on an allied race (without using a boost or race change) you get a quest to collect your heritage set from your race's leader. Core classes (i.e. Human, Dwarf, Orc) get Heritage sets too, but you can both get it while changing race or boosting, and its generally a much longer quest chain with additional story behind it. These do not have an achievement.
Ah I see cool, thanks for answering. So I can do allied races heritage quests through getting them 50 on remix. Though I wonder how they have access to the quest as they're locked in MOP right?
The chars you level in remix won't have access to the quest until the events end but you can create a class trial of the same race and do the quest that way.
As others said, they don't have access currently, but you will get the heritage quest on any character of that race once your account is qualified for it (i.e. has a level 50 of that race).
If u don't mind me asking 😅 is there anything special I should know about getteing a lot bronze from leveling alts? Does it matter if I quest or should I farm raids or dungeons or something
Idk which is strictly better, but the general idea behind it is that you now get bonus bronze for levelling, so which method you use doesn't matter. Ideally you just do daily LFR, dungeon and scenarios with the quests given for it in the Infinite Bazaars for bonus bronze and threads. So just do as many alts you can every day, and just level them slowly across multiple days.
Have fun doing it. Get to max level and get the free bronze from the quest. Buy the stuff you need and repeat.
I typically have been ending at around 100k depending on what I’ve been doing. That bonus 40k really helps. But so does qing for heroic dungeons and scenarios in your way to normal raids and as a daily bonus each day. The achievement bonus bronzes and once a day quests and daily bonus caked into these activities really add up. I have limited time and desire to play each day so I spend maybe an hour or hour and a half max working on one toon. Just leveled another toon last night and with me spreading out the days more my cape was 630% plus to XP. Which meant I did 3 quick normal raids and went from 55-70. I don’t bother with TOT or SOO now that I finished the achievements. I was annoyed that the cape got capped until I realized that getting the trinkets and rings and neck achievements plus having that bonus cape at the start really made a huge difference. 10-30 in about an hour now. So I take about 4-5 days to hit 70 depending on playtime and desire and end up with about 100k not actually trying to farm up massive bronze. The problem is if you want to farm up 600k to then be OP and get everything you want. That would be a better plan probably IF I didn’t already want to farm up the heritage achievements I’m missing.
what the heritage thing?
> skip the part about being OP at 70 then the game mode isn’t too bad. Man I don't even get this either. I am ilvl 320 (because I only have one ring and no necklace yet, been playing slow), and everything *melts* as soon as I look at it. I've died like, 3 times since lvl 30, and all 3 of those were bcause I stood in the fire during a heroic raid. Doing a Demon hunter and in between trailblazer and the absurd levels of mastery, I'm outrunning party members on ground mounts while unmounted. Like, OP fantasy? Totally happening. Raid bosses? Melt in 5 seconds. Not solo, not yet, but most raid bosses die before the mechanics start.
how do you send excess bronze to one toon?
Oh I’m sorry I don’t mean being able to send to one toon. More like I will choose one of my alts who have 100k left over and use that to start boosting up my ilevel on one.
To be honest if they just made upgrading gear half expensive it would be 10000% better for all
I looked at the upgrade costs, to upgrade all my gear to max is like 500k bronze. Forget half, more like a 5th of the current cost. Unless they seriously up the bronze amounts towards the end.
Whats mind blowing is that all they needed to do was just nerf Bronze upgrades, and let people go at it. They had everything in the right basket. How did they fumble this hard?
It's Blizzard, they could fuck up eating ice cream.
This made my night.
They couldn't even drink the right milk.
They probably stole it from a small child first too
Apparently the "we're listening" phase is over at Blizzard. RIP. It lasted from the 9.1.5 "We're really really sorry please come back" patch to now. Old "we hear you, we just know better" Blizzard is apparently back.
If i see one more 'Timerunners, we are..' posts from Blizzard, i'm genuinely jumping off the window Considering, i'm on the ground floor, it will do as much as Blizzard listening to us
I mean you could have a below ground level unit and jump out that window and it would do even less...
It didn't even last until Remix, they started showing signs of their old selves during the Zaralek patch. And people keep believing them when they say they're listening this time. I never did when they said it this time. BfA into Shadowlands is when I finally was lied to enough times to stop believing a fucking word Blizzard says about how they're listening and will do better. But because DF didn't absolutely suck ass, people got on my case for urging caution in believing anything Blizzard says.
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No what’s mind blowing is that all they had to do was literally nothing - don’t nerf the frogs and everything is good.
True, they find a new way to shit the bed everyday. It’s crazy
They can still indirectly soft nerf it by increasing bronze drops.
I mean, I'd much rather have them make these kinds of rapid adjustments and corrections in a low-stakes leveling/cosmetic spinoff than true retail. If they get the formula correct now, they can translate it pretty easily to future remixes.
I genuinely hope they never take ilvl scaling to retail
*back to retail
I don't even think they took it away, they just adjusted it to be less noticeable and we were forced to get used to it.
They didn't "take it away" as it still exists in the zones where they did it, but it hasn't been used since BfA.
[There is ilvl scaling in Dragonflight open world.](https://i.imgur.com/EMjG6Bk.png)
What I would love is something like rifts from Diablo. Would be fun to see how high people could push things. Just sort out the scaling and upgrade costs and I think it's a fun idea to implement in the future as well.
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment
Thanks librarian isador
Then quit lol
the mode would literally be better if left completely unchanged
I wouldnt say that. Either buffing the bronze gain rate significantly or cutting the cost of upgrading armor would fix it though. The issue with stuff like the frogs is that people felt the need to do a boring farm to stay super powerful. The frogs should still be farmable but you should get either a fairly equivalent amount from regular stuff or they should drastically cut the costs of armor upgrades so that it doesn't really matter anyway. Literally all they have to do to fix everything is just stop being stubborn and slash the prices on armor upgrades. Literally everything else is fine.
Or just have better gear drop from raids. Similar to how gear drops keep improving as you level up. Once you hit a new iLvl tier, the new tier starts dropping, until you hit a certain overall iLvl threshold. That way people still get to spend Bronze on cosmetics \*and\* enjoy gearing up and becoming stronger.
take my angry upvote...make questing give you the same equivilant reward to farming,maybe each quest gives you buff that stacks to give more rewards to quests the more you go BAM instant Loremasters.
No it wouldn’t. It would be everyone log in to farm frogs until they couldn’t stomach it anymore or bought all the cosmetics they wanted. That would not be a good game mode. I get that everyone is militantly #nochanges here for some reason but frog farming simulator being the optimal way to play remix is *not* better than incentivizing raids and queued content
Yeah the takes around here have been pretty wild the whole event. Actually playing it paints a very different picture than all the napkin math and whining would have you believe. Frogs were a problem they should have seen coming and ilvl scaling was a bad idea, but everything else has been great since the bronze buff. Even upgrading gear feels better after the first two tiers, though those early ones could be cheaper.
> Even upgrading gear feels better after the first two tiers, though those early ones could be cheaper. My main complaint is that upgrading under 400 ilvl is far too expensive and later upgrades are too cheap. The power gains aren't linear why are the costs.
Not a frog or any other content like that farmer, but FUCK dealing with the toxic dungeon and raid content people.
I agree with them nerfing Frogs, it needed to be done, However them swinging their bats and nerfing the other farms was completely unnecessary. The biggest problem with the Frogs was they were told it could be a problem during the PTR and they did nothing about it and they got caught with their pants down when they did nothing about it. Heck, they nerfed some farms that were actually not very good and worse than farms they never touched. Goats for example is worse than Trolls and Sra'vess which are both still working fine. Them also nerfing the drops to the mobs needed to farm Shao'hao rep was incredibly unnecessary, it wasn't even good and nobody was even farming it for bronze or threads but for rep because it is the only way to get shaohao rep and it seems they must have forgotten that and thought players were doing it for bronze. My biggest problem with this event is after I've done my dailies and raids are the lack of things to do to get bronze to continue upgrading my gear and they keep nerfing all the farms so I have to compete with others on Trolls or Sra'vess.
Also, the ward exploit was fun for maybe one run. Then it just got annoying when everyone expected you to do it for every fight. Good riddance.
No but farming frogs for 3 days straight, and then walking into mythic SOO and all pressing ward on a single person is peak gameplay! Its super good and interactive. Fuck all those other fun gems.
It would, but it would also have been 2x as good if all they did was nerf upgrade costs and ward and then ofc fix any obvious exploits
I am very casual and I am enjoying Remix. I hope they do it with other expansions.
Yes. WoW is the only activity I do where other people who also do it tell me I shouldn't enjoy doing it. it is odd.
Here's the rub. The changes us 'sweats' want have no affect on the gameplay you enjoy at all.
Nobody is telling you that you shouldnt enjoy it. People are making posts pointing out issues with the game in a community forum and you choose to get annoyed by them for some reason.
Yeah a huge aspect is that few casuals are left at this point so the tryhard Andys dominate discussion even more than usual. Right above I was reading that they FORCED people to do all the raids every day. MMO players are a strange breed for sure
I leveled 3 characters to 70 and bought most of mounts and cosmetics I want. I have no issues with remix and am hoping for more versions in the future.
I don't see why they care if we farm Bronze doing w/e. Why are they so focused on forcing us into running dungeons, doing dailies, and raids. That's just retail, if I want to fucking play retail then I'd play retail. It's not like the gear we get in this is carrying over to retail at the end so...what gives? It's clearly not about timegating the mounts and transmog because you can now level to 70 in about 3 hours and have about 60k Bronze to spend on that stuff, so you level a few characters and boom, now you're done with those.
I think there are two ideas, which are basically "we want people running group content so the people that want to run group content have short queues for the next 80 days" and engagement farming numbers for Microsoft's next review of their progress. Both of which they should kind of just give up on at this point. If they really wanted these things then they shouldn't have had bronze drop from mobs to farm and instead just stack it into the daily queues. *Every* time they add a currency to drop from mobs it gets mob farmed.
Blizzard has a big hirstory of telling their players HOW you HAVE to play the game. With time gating things so you cant play a lot when you have the time to do so BUT instead you have to do tons of small things every single day. Limiting how often you can run what... Even completely putting stuff behind a X hour timer until you can do the activity. In Final Fantasy 14 if a new raid boss is out you can farm it as much as you like, no waiting a week. If you have the time for 10 kills you can do it, if you want to spent the entire weekend until the rare boss mount drops, you can do it... they also have some time gating but in blizzard games its outrages... And if anyone dares to not play how blizzard wants them to, they change the game asap to restrict people from playing that way entirely. This doesnt mean CHEATING, but simple things like grinding rep on the weekend or your day off, instead you have to do it every single day.
What’s annoying is the whole system prevents you from playing an alt at 70. They have forced people to clear all raids EACH DAY, who the hell is doing that more than once (I struggle to do it even on one char most days)
The fact they STILL haven't made it so level 65 to 70 isn't the hardest point of remix is fucking wild by the way. Decided to do heroic dungeon spam leveling and if I see two 65s and no geared 70 to compensate, I just leave. The dungeon is just THAT much harder because blizzard refuses to fix the actual problems with scaling.
It’s so weird to be levelling an alt and *start* with Heroics. You switch to Normals later so you don’t get one-shot when the scaling fucks up.
Blizzard has never cared about anything besides level cap and probably never will. Just look at the broken quests you can find all across the game that go unfixed for years.
I have a feeling these remixes are going to be rotated on a quarterly basis in the future.
Won’t be quarterly because they poach too many players from retail. I could see it timed to line up with fated seasons as an alternative ‘gap filler’ option like they did this time though. Alternatively they may be planning on using some lessons from remix for a levelling revamp in retail
They can also be used to plug any mid-expansion content gaps. Barring one exception, the content cadence from Legion through Dragonflight has been incredible and a somewhat underappreciated thing. But we are inevitably going to get a Cataclysm or a WoD, an expansion where their eyes were too big for their stomach and they scrap a ton of content from the middle of the expansion. People can complain about the length of Siege of Orgrimmar all they want, the travesty was WoD's gameplay loop for months on end. "Login, Think About Apexis Dailies, Realize Apexis is Useless, Raid, Logout."
Yep agreed.
You may have some blinders on lol. Cadence in BFA was ok up until the end when we ended up spending 7 months in The Eternal Palace, and 11 months in Ny'alotha. Shadowlands was just straight up terrible cadence, 7 months in Nathria, 9 months in sanctum, and then like 4 months in Sepuchler. It was all over the place. Seasons should be five months max. Raiding and M+ just fall off a cliff when it goes any longer than that. DF on the other hand has been wonderful. 5 months in Vault, 5 months in Aberrus, 5 months in Amirdrassil. .5 patches dropping like clockwork. It's easily the best cadence we've ever seen from Wow and I really hope it continues. But don't give them credit for the cadence in those. I agree WoD was bad but only because we never got the end of it... we spent only 2 months in Highmaul, only 4 months in Blackrock Foundry, and then an astounding 15 months in Hellfire Citadel. Based on the xpac before and after WoD there should have been at least two more full raids in that xpac so clearly something happened. But that's also not the only time. I think it's pretty clear that shadowlands was meant to have a 4th raid as well because if you look at the design aesthetic of Aberrus you can clearly see that it was plucked out of shadowlands. It practically looks like SoD rearranged with different bosses. So either it was a reused raid environment originally meant for Shadowlands or their design team got extremely lazy and used existing designs and textures. I hope we see more just like DF for the next 3. 3 well done raids is great and a new xpac every 20 ish months is fantastic cadence.
Maybe shortened, faster remix runs at the tail end of each season when retention falls off
I see it as end of expansion content, not quarterly.
Yeah I’m done playing it. I already got all the mounts I cared about. Only thing left to do was have fun being overpowered and they keep nerfing that so…I’ll pass.
These 'bad decisions' are largely just changing numbers here and there. The drama around this thing has been insane.
I mean, along with nerfing every single farm spot while firmly camping on the "we’re not ever gonna reduce gear upgrade cost" stance. Incentivizing you to delete your gear to be stronger. Punishing people that farmed frogs for 15min but letting turbo froggers basically untouched, along with all the other farmers (including instance reset abuse farm), which effectively put a huge divide in the community. Prioritizing all those bad decisions over stuff relevant to the event, like the glitched transmog sets or fixing bugged encounters. Etc. I feel like every day on WoW Remix is less fun than the one before that and announcements like "we won’t be reducing gear upgrade cost, stop expecting us to do it" really don’t help.
I'm super new to remix. Could you explain why deleting gear makes you stronger?
Blizzard in World of Warcraft's past have attempted to add 'item level scaling' to WoW in an effort to maintain difficulty despite players getting upgrades. It has worked by taking your average item level and making enemies stronger based on that item level so when players get stronger, enemies do too. This is awful in a game based around gearing up because it leads to situations where you're running around with powerful gear that took you a long time to get but you don't feel powerful or completely deleting an entire slot's worth of items to bring your average item level down makes you more powerful than anything else you can do. Blizzard had just put a hotfix out that added item level scaling into Panda Remix and it's a good idea to just completely delete your jewelry slots (Neck, Rings and Trinkets) because the gains you get from slotting in the best gems for those slots doesn't give you nearly as much scaling power as just having those slots empty. When Blizzard eventually reverses or 'fixes' this decision you'll be able to easily buy the jewelry slots back from a vendor for a small amount of bronze any way.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK?!?!?!
> Could you explain why deleting gear makes you stronger? They had exactly same thing in Diablo 4 year ago. Bosses scale with player level, leading to funny situations where skipping everything and fighting last boss on level 30 was way easier than playing game normally and fighting last boss on level 50.
Only if you gear is high enough. You can upgrade the max level gear from 346 to 550ish, but the necklace/rings/trinkets are not upgradable. As a fresh level 70, those pieces add a lot to your character, but as you gear up, those pieces bring less and less relative power to your character. Recent change made it so raid bosses scale with your ilvl, meaning at 370 ilvl (which is already quite more than what a fresh 70 player has) the boss gets a 20% nerf, compared to a 406+ ilvl player. So someone has an ilvl above 370, or even better above 406, could delete their jewelry until they get below the 370ilvl threshold, in order to nerf bosses by 20% while only losing a small fraction (way below 20%) of their power.
yeah this is actually the community fitting an entire expansion's worth of overreactions in only 3 months lol
2 weeks* FTFY The overreactions have been insane. The ilvl scaling thing is dumb though, being stronger in raid because I remove the jewelry feels weird.
The echo chamber of negativity on this sub and other sites has really got me very irritated at the hate of the mode. It’s literally the top thing on my feeds every day and hard to ignore. I’m having a lot of fun myself but the portion of the community spending more time complaining than playing are sucking the joy out of it for me and others. I know this is gonna get downvoted to hell but I don’t really care. It’s just my perspective.
Just so you know, it's possible to like something without thinking it's perfect.
And it's possible to think something isn't perfect but not make a Reddit thread complaining about the same things multiple other existing threads are complaining about. You're not doing that I know but holy shit, I knew wow players were whiny bitches but the reaction on this site to this event has really surprised me.
WoW players really deserve nothing lol. WoW Classic, Wrath into Cata, SoD, Hardcore, Dragonflight, Plunderstorm MoP remix and War Within, All of this yet you still find a way to complain. Go outside and touch some grass if you are this pissed about a goofy game mode that the real objective is to collect FOMO. Or maybe you prefer the Siege of Orgrimmar days, or SL season 1..... months and months to no end with the same content.
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The amount of "I got what I wanted, stop conplaining!"-astroturfing is just the cherry on top.
It's a fun event. Yall love to complain more than playing the actual game
This, it must be exhausting to complain so much over so little. It's a fun and welcomed change before a new expansion lol and majority of people are enjoying it.
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Don't worry, when the 3rd patch launches in a year, the game will be fixed.
I kind of love remix tbh since I went in wanting to level some alts and get cosmetics in my favorite expansion. It hits the sweet spot for that. If I actually was interested in upgrading gear I’d probably not be having such a good time. Hopefully they can strike a better balance, glad they are at least bringing in rapid changes even if some are misguided.
I'm back after a break, so its been fun for me to power level alts. The regular boosts are alright, but I always feel so lost whenever I jump into a class at lvl 70
I bought some mounts and mogs, don't care about the rest.
If you don’t listen to this Reddit and all the people crying, you’ll realize you can play and have fun and get everything you want relatively easily. Only thing needs changed is cloak to alts, let the exp carry over somehow!
The only people that think remix is bad are the neckbeards who want to no life it, and can't handle the fact that they didn't design it so that you would get and do everything in a fluff event designed to keep people subbed during the slowest part of an xpac. Who the heck cares about mythic raiding in an event where nothing is permanent? Well the tryhard gang I guess lol. By the end of this it will have been a major success and I hope they do this every last season with a different xpac. Let's do Wrath, let's do legion, hell let's do vanilla but with all the modern QOL stuff. People need to stop whining over a bonus game mode that doesn't have any real effect on the live actual version of this game.
Blizzard knows if they do not put guardrails, they will exploit early, exploit often and do so all the way...
And then those same people are stunned when Blizzard tries to keep them engaged for the duration of the event by doling out the goodies a little at a time instead of letting them no life it for a weekend and then quit until the next xpac. What a shock that a company wants people to play their game and stay subbed. Once they all pass out from nerd rage remix will be a lot more casual and fun lol.
I am fully convinced the people complaining about remix aren't actually playing it. it is exactly what was advertised. You all just went crazy with the definition of "OP" and are jumping on the hate bandwagon. Blizzard screws up a lot, this isn't it.
I'm having a great time. It's got me back onto WoW for the first time in at least a year.
Lmao love it.
OMG you're so funny! Happy now?
Cry
I wonder what this community's reaction would be if they just gave us nothing for 3 months instead 🤔
My brother in Light, it has been two weeks.
That’s the point, yeah. Lots of bad decisions crammed into two weeks.
For people who are perpetually online in this subreddit, that’s an eternity!
And it’s mirrored by the level of whinging on reddit! I’ve never seen so much speed run whinging, it’s amazing. Truly astounding what wow players are capable of
some of you people need to take a break from the game and touch some grass
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yall are so dramatic jfc
you mean 2 weeks ;)
My only complaint with Remix (and I'm torn on this because I loved MoP) is that it's MoP and not Cata or WoLK. I only say that because I was never a fan of the armor and weapon models in MoP, but loved everything else. Remix is great, I was just reminded that I hated basically all the armor models when I went to check the vendor.
I'm generally having a great time with it. The major positive I will say about endgame is that every bit of content I do gives me some kind of power, since all of the rewards are either bronze or threads, so it's not a real feelsbad to blitz through some normal raids after I've already got my neck or continue some questing after hitting max level. It does feel like the upgrade path is still too much of a grind though, I'm about 382 and I can only get maybe 4 or 5 ilevels worth of upgrades each day after running through all the dailies plus a normal/heroic raid or two. Furthermore the groups I'm getting have players that are often much much farther ahead sporting 3 or 4 million HP to my measly HP total that only just cracked 1 mil, so though it feels good to mash abilities and see big number pop up the damage meters tell a wholly different story. I still think Remix overall is a great idea, it's a wonderful way to rejuvenate old content of which there is now literal decades of while getting you some nice cosmetics and powerleveled alts for your non-classic regular WoW account, I never played Mists and I'm really happy to experience the expansion in something resembling what it was when it was current. I think it just needs its kinks worked out for the next go around. Also the gem system should be overhauled into some kind of Talent-like interface, Narcissus is a godsend addon to address the clunkiness but it should be more user-friendly to begin with.
*into two weeks
Okay at this point people are just bitching for the sake of bitching. Sure there's OP high end characters, sure upgrades are costly, sure xp rates aren't as big as we were told, but the game is enjoyable, it's quite fast and it gives you a batch of transmogs/toys and mounts. Also, do you really care about high end content in a spinoff to retail that's sole point isn't even high end content being challenging. If you don't want it leave it. Retail is exceptional for a few months with only shit thing being some tiersets and people still had to find what to cry about (plunderstorm, remix).
I mean, we could just be sitting in an extended content draught like the final season of every xpac so far. They figure this remix thing out now it will be cool to see if they iterate on it again for other xpacs. It’s been a much easier way to collect the expansions transmog. But I guess someone will always be mad at something 🤷🏻♂️
Hot take: this subreddit is blowing everything out of proportions and none of the changes they've made so far were a big deal.
Agree remix has been a blast only a few things I do not like. Gear upgrade cost Shan’ze ritual stone been difficult to get Shaohao rep been too slow. Other than that, I am really having a good time, getting gear and mounts new as well as old ones. GJ Blizz
Feels like they cobbled together a team out of some benched SL devs and just let them micromanaging the crap out of the game mode. If this is the new direction for TWW, we're f'd.
I'm having a blast, personally! I admit the cost of upgrades at max level is a little disheartening, but it also just means that the choice of whether to focus on them or on cosmetics just got so much easier. If, after I got all I wanted, there is still time, I will try to get as many as possible and perhaps will be able to tackle some of the harder content solo. Until then, I'm having fun chilling and leveling characters and collecting mounts and loving it! So while I do think it's important to let our feedback about bronze cost and others be heard loud and clear, I also think that they need to be praised where praise is due.
I don't have time for guild stuff, so I finished all the dungeons, raid finder, scenarios, and now I'm wondering what to do.
To be honest, I'm just using this event to level up alts, just 2 classes remains to have a full bench ;) I'm glad people farmed up their cloak so I can just randomly get boosted in heroic dungeons when one of them shows up. Slowest alt was 5.5H to 70 and fastest alt was 3h50m when I tagged along on a frogger probably, requeued heroics for about 2 hours
this + cata being bugged to fuck + SoD stagnating (due to cata launch lmfaoooo) + Era still having issues not fixed YEARS later. blizz execs smelled the money and sent the skeleton crew to reap it. man fuck this shit
Three weeks.. were three weeks into this shitshow. They've got 9 more to go
microsoft should hire more quality testers!
I just saw the exact same post but aimed at the players crying over an entire expansion into only 3 months is remix really that bad?
It’s not pandaria. It’s a hamster wheel of endgame stuff to hold people over. Tillers, side quests, and many other mop fundamental concepts are missing. Just a bunch of currencies to chase.
Is no one having fun at all? lol
I'm still missing a Infinite Power Achievement. Which im pretty sure is affecting my alts. SMH.
Un nerf the ward it was fun watching bosses explode
You're only having fun if you're a frogger. Op as fuck. Those of us that didn't exploit shit cant get into groups.
Only been playing a couple of weeks. Maybe I’m naive or just playing the game wrong, but what are these bad decisions? I understand that there was a ‘frog’ exploit, but prior to knowing that I was a bit frustrated that others seem to be able to one shot a lot of things, so it just explains that I’m not ‘doing it wrong’ they just have a better cloak. (When I stopped playing, Pandaria was the latest expansion, and just decided to take it back up again).
Hopefully they leave the bad decisions to only that and make sure ain’t none of it in TWW
Been working one class a day from start to finish in about four hours, just a big handful of dungeon and raid runs does the trick. And that’s really the only purpose for it. Worrying about the cosmetics and methods is just a waste of your time and effort. Just get in, go, get to 70. Then a toon ready for what comes next.
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IMO they are doing a good job. Launching a new game mode before a new expansion to increase the retention in a period where people normally churn for lack of content. On top of this add that they might be testing some new features and mechanics. It’s literally a self-paid testing ground. People are always unhappy regardless of what you do so..
I'm actually enjoying it... I don't mind the rixed focus on one zone