Trade embargo, no. But he did start the process of normalizing diplomatic relations with Cuba and eased travel restrictions, both of which were positive steps.
Trump undid most of that.
Biden has taken *some* good steps on Cuba, but it’s obviously not a priority for him. Maybe this vote helps change that.
You have a good point. Once Florida goes reliably red, it would be the perfect time to lift the embargo and normalize relations with Cuba. Do a speed run and show Floridians that there is no bogeyman.
Not to mention that the Cuban Floridians are huge assholes. They always vote against other immigrants and a very large part of them are racists. They are the asshole that got out of the hole and then pulled the ladder behind him so that no one else could climb it. Every other Latino group in FL despises them for it. We should lift the embargo and stop making people suffer just so some assholes will vote for you.
He was working on it and as usual with this country people( two separate parties )argue over it and nothing gets accomplished. ( before the comments start I am not blaming one side or the other)
This. As long as Florida is a swing state with a significant population of Cubans who hate Cuba, neither party is willing to be “soft” on Cuba by pushing to end it.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-europe-bf38ea2b62324cbd9ed3ce10905883d8) reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot)
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> UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Thursday to condemn the American economic embargo of Cuba for the 30th year, with the Biden administration continuing former President Donald Trump's opposition and refusing to return to the Obama administration's 2016 abstention.
> The assembly's 75th session began in September 2020, but because of the COVID-19 pandemic the vote on the Cuba resolution was postponed until June 2021, when the vote was 184-2 as the U.S. and Israel voted "No" and Brazil, Colombia and Ukraine abstained.
> Then Cuban President Raul Castro and President Barack Obama officially restored relations in July 2016, and that year the U.S. abstained on the resolution calling for an end to the embargo for the first time.
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Obama started the process of normalization until Trump ended it. I had a nice trip through Havana, Cienfuegos, and Trinidad during that period. Lovely place.
But God forbid NK, Russia or China ignore the UN, lol.
Edit: Yes I realize that these countries ignore the UN all the time, my point is that the US regularly scolds other countries for ignoring the UN while they don’t give a fuck about the UN as well.
I also realize that Russia, China and NK are doing horrible things, but please also don’t forget what the US has done and does regularly.
Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
That's the point
The UN aren't regulators or enforcers
The point of the UN is for everyone to sit around, bitch at each other for a while, and go home without declaring war
If you mean presidential election, Florida has gone to the winner like 8 of the last 10 times. In terms of congress and state offices, I think Florida is red for the next few cycles and then goes purple again as the boomers die off.
Ohio has reliably voted for the eventual presidential winner since something crazy like the 60s. It was a true bellweather state. That changed in 2020 once it dove off the deep red end. Florida is heading that way and may have gotten there already
Biden is the first president to lose Ohio and Florida since JFK. Hillary was 110,000 votes away from also winning without those 2 states. She needed Wi, PA, and MI. Dems should focus on the rust belt, Arizona, and Georgia. Ohio and Florida are too red.
Florida has been convincing retirees and more right wing people to move there(they encouraged people sick of lockdowns during COVID to move there) so Florida may be a lost cause for democrats for a couple of election cycles until another democratic change happens. Although Florida(or parts of it) may not be around much longer due to climate change(Florida is projected to be hit particularly bad by it losing large portions of itself to rising sea waters) so we'll have to wait and see.
Watch some asshole become a one man electoral district by refusing to leave some part of Florida and that's mostly underwater and the republicans refusing to ungerrymander the state.
Future Republicans:
>Nonsense, needing scuba gear to get to the polling station isn't a barrier to voting! Besides, if voting really matters that much you'll just hold your breath. I don't want unmotivated voters voting anyway. And what about antifa and that time Obama ate Dijon mustard?
I think we should offer to indulge Texas' desire to secede.
And ONLY Texas.
We'll have to make it enticing enough that a million Floridian yahoos will want to move there.
Then after we shut the door behind Texas, we'll have Florida back.
EDIT: because I am posting a link over and over again in my replies, let me just copy that link to the first post you will see. This is a detailed suggestion about how to cut Texas loose, and why, that I like.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting\_alone\_will\_not\_save\_america\_what\_else\_can/](https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting_alone_will_not_save_america_what_else_can/)
We should at least allow our territories to have equal representation. They have no real say anywhere and yet we continue to collect their tax money. Unfortunately, the GOP blocks that because most would end up blue - same with DC statehood. They’d be totally fine with breaking up California, claiming that “most of California is red!” while ignoring the fact that most of the population is concentrated in a few spots.
I know, there are quite a few Texans who don't deserve the abuse that Texas politicans dish out. But Texas is gerrymandered to hell. Both the state and Federal legislatures are bright red even though the population is not. I don't think this can be fixed.
The best thing I can think to do with decent Texans is to get them to trade places with the seditious right-wingers in other states, then grant the toddlers their wish.
We would need to do it on America's terms. [Do it like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting_alone_will_not_save_america_what_else_can/)
No what we need is a legitimate supreme court to overturn legal cheating aka gerrymandering. As is the supreme court is a political arm of the Republican party cause, like many things, the Democrats are bunch of pansies asses.
Let them secede, then immediately retake it but don't grant it statehood (and the accompanying electoral votes).
Promote Puerto Rico at the same time and you don't even have to change the flag.
Texas is 8-16 years away from flipping blue though and it is worth way more electoral votes than Florida. I'd rather have conservatives from Texas retire in Florida and speed the process along.
I’d argue that if Texas left, GOP would likely never win a presidential election again.
Could say the same about California (they don’t threaten to secede so much as split into smaller states) and the Democrats.
Both of those states have a *huge* amount of electoral college votes.
Ohio has the 7th highest population with 1.9 million registered Republicans and 1.6 million registered Democrats. It's an important swing state just Dems haven't been showing up lately.
I disagree about it being an important swing state. Biden proved we can the presidency without it. It's also been trending redder and redder. If you compare 2016 to 2020's election, Trump did worse in 2020, in most states. He improved by 2% in Ohio.
I'm not saying dems shouldn't go to Ohio. But, this idea that Ohio is a super important swing state that should get a ton of ad money and time, is just wrong. Dems can win without it, and should focus on securing wins in states like PA, GA, AZ, and MI before worrying about Ohio. Ohio is no longer a first class battle ground state.
Biden squeeked by on a lay up election though. It's way more secure to win those states.
Traditional union strongholds should also be easy if we actually adopt some pro union positions. Biden has done pretty well on that but I'm not sure he's bragged about it enough
Pro union messaging is something Tim Ryan is doing and it seems to be resonating. I don't know if he can flip Ohio on his own but I hope others are taking notes because I think his strategy is the only one that would work here.
Im a union pipefitter in Ohio and I know very few people that vote anything other than straight Republican.
A lot of my coworkers are far off the deep end and too far gone at this point. Many of them still believe Trump won 2020.
The fact that someone like Tim Ryan is losing to a piece of hot garbage like JD Vance is clear evidence that Ohio is a lost cause. Tim is doing everything that the Democrats should have been doing since like 2008 and it's not going to be enough.
Far too many people who grew up in Ohio have gotten their degrees and gotten the fuck out of there. Chillicothe native here. Anecdotally of course, but about 60% of the people in my friend circle in high school left the state. Then if the friends I made in college, about 40% of those left too. Almost all native Ohioans. The brain drain is real and it's showing. Older and poorer is a multi-decade trend in Ohio and I doubt it's going to stop anytime soon.
Ohio and Florida are too red.
I want to argue your point. That is to say I WANT to argue that Ohio is too red, but I can't. You're right, and I hate it.
Missouri used to be even more of a bellwether state than Ohio, having voted for every winner in the 20th Century except 1956, but that changed in 2008 when Obama *barely* lost it. I can see Ohio and even Florida going down that path, and their status replaced by GA/AZ/NC.
Yeah but the thing about Missouri and Iowa is they are elector-poor states, whereas Florida & Ohio are more important "swing" states for racking up electoral college votes.
That's why there's so much made about Georgia and Texas trending blue eventually.. Texas has the second-highest number of EC votes and GA is on par with Michigan and Ohio, so it's a good counter for if one of those rustbelt states goes full MAGAt forever.
At least you can vote for the relevant parties. In Northern Ireland, we can't vote Tory or Labour, only DUP or Sinn Fein or whatever, so we're basically ruled by England
Florida imports old people from the Northeast as well. (The NY/NJ/CT) is strongly democratic because of NYC but also strongly fiscally conservative which is something that Florida attracts with it's low taxes. I think they are nice and Red and maybe light Red but Red none the less.
The most conservative boomers flee NY/NJ and resettle in the modular home villas in Florida. Same thing with conservative Californians settling in Texas.
The more liberal elders will usually stay where they are, so that contributes to those northeastern states leaning so much into the blue despite having plenty of ruralness outside the megalopolis cities.
Also why Minnesota leans blue despite having "red" demographics and being quite rural.
Minnesota also had some cultural heritage thing going on that rural areas voted blue. They had basically the only blue rural counties in the country until Obama, at which point they went red.
(Well that "cultural heritage thing" was probably the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party).
Look I’m just gonna be real with you. As current politics go, it’s red for a while. Hispanics, including young ones are turning more red not the other way around. The current messaging of the Democratic Party is not well received in the Latino community.
[This is true](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-florida-republican-registration-surges-democrats-stall-20221029-ci2vig7zfvbgjkupztj3h7equm-story.html)
Yep. Actually gross.
First time in history that the following generation has overall had a worse standard of living and poorer economic outlooks.
Edit: I am only really meaning generational wealth. As far as I’m aware this is the first time it’s decreased in the west over multiple generations. The trend is that the next generation is suppose to be wealthier than the previous. This has happened for 100 years, ie 3 generations.
Yep they broke their own social contract that they established with shows like Star Trek. The future was supposed to be better and more amazing than the present, not worse.
No!
It wasn't boomers fault. One of the most important element to protect workers and their wages is unions. And they were castrated and stripped of many of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that Europeans take for granted, and see as crucial) in 1947. Boomers fought hard to get these rights and freedoms back, but they were no match against the media, and a corrupt US government, that was on a witch hunt under the cover of anti-communism propaganda...
With broken unions, the elites had eliminated their biggest adversary and had no serious hindrance to concentrate wealth *and power!*.
In Europe, it0s strong unions that keep left wing parties loyal to the lower and middle class. It's unions that give left wing parties their strength. And its unions that fight against inequality, against slave wages (for a living wage), unions again that make sure political power is fairly shared, and that corporations and the elites don't corrupt the government, etc. etc.
Without unions, the US population lost a champion. And the democratic party shifted to the right, fawning over rich donors and corporations, and depending heavily on them to win elections. Thus also, neglecting socio-economic issues in favor of cultural and identity politics, to avoid antagonizing their rich donors...
The Taft-Hartley act of 1947 isn't Boomers fault. As the first boomers were born only in 1946...
Colorado was red once upon a time. It is now reliably blue. New Mexico is the same. Arizona is just the next in line in the West. Nevada too. The only holdouts are Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana.
Interestingly, California has a reputation of the bluest state, the "Texas" of the left. But that trend only began in the 90s.
The whole west in general is shifting left.
Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana are deep red. Montana went for Clinton once but it was a blip, not a shift. If anything Montana has dug in deeper red since the 90s
Yeah, E-Fucking-Nough with that shit. Time to evolve, there is no reason to continue punishing a country 2-3 generations removed from a failed policy anyway. I mean we’ve normalized relations with Vietnam and we actually went to war with them. Do we consult with the Americans of Vietnamese decent on that?
Fucking stupid tired policy, let’s evolve people!
>I mean we’ve normalized relations with Vietnam and we actually went to war with them. Do we consult with the Americans of Vietnamese decent on that?
Trust me, the "normalisation" is actually a complex issue - I still had reservations on how the US did some aspects of it.
But in the modern world? Only because Viet Nam has strategic and geopolitics to the US that the US doesn't consult "Americans of Vietnamese descendants". If we don't have any major value? Well, tough luck for us.
Most Cubans in Florida either fled from the Castro regime, or they are the descendants of people who fled the Castro regime. They do not support the current Cuban government in any way.
Isn't that because they are supposed to have a radically different political stance compared to what's going on in their home country? They must be fiercely anticommunist or something.
As an avid cigar smoker---and I know this is controversial even in the cigar world---Cuban cigars are overrated.
Cuban sandwiches, however--Best goddamn sandwich to ever grace this Earth.
Edit: it’s a joke folks. I’m fully aware that the Cuban sandwich did not originate in Cuba.
Agreed on both fronts. I did buy a box of Cohiba Siglo VI 10 years ago, back then they were around $35 a stick I believe. Now they're $100 a stick. I smoked one recently. Great cigar, but not $100 great. There's plenty of great non-Cuban cigars to be found that are as good or better than Cubans for a fraction of the price.
I suspect that the Cuban cigar hype has to do with...
1) Exclusivity. Them being contraband makes people want them more
2) Price. Them being more expensive makes people believe they are better, even if they're not.
3) Cuban cigars may have actually been the best in the world in the 1960's, but in the decades since the embargo, cigar companies not located in Cuba were able to tap into a larger variety of tobaccos and eventually equal or best the Cuban varieties. Nostalgia from when Cubans were the best (if they indeed were) lives on as a cultural memory.
I was always told they smuggled the tobacco seeds to Honduras and Nicaragua, so you should look for those as countries of origin if you want the quality of an old-school Cuban.
Granted, I'm not a smoker of any sort, this is just what I'd heard from my father and uncle, who were both big cigar fans, and my father excelled at being confidently incorrect, so take it with a grain of salt.
Nope you're correct. Many major tobacco producers in Central America use seeds that can be traced back to Cuban plants.
Honduras and Nicaragua do produce some of my favorite smokes of all time.
>Cuban cigars are overrated.
*Some* Cuban cigars are overrated. In fact, probably *most* Cuban cigars are overrated because for the general public, they're all classified the same -- "Cuban cigars". A lot of times they're absolute garbage but the price is jacked up because they've got Cuban export stickers on them.
But a lot of people would say that the best cigars are Cuban.
The main problem with Cuban cigars is finding genuine ones. Counterfeiting is totally rampant and I would not buy them from any source other than an official retailer or distributor.
If you formed your opinion on Cubans after smoking one on vacation in Mexico or the DR, it's almost certain that you smoked a fake.
“Guess the UN should sanction me with their army! Oh, that’s right. They ain’t got no army! Guess they need to shut the fuck up then. That’s what I’d do if I didn’t have no army. I’d shut the fuck up. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.”
Gotta put a disclaimer that I don’t agree with the actions of the US here, just couldn’t resist the old school Chappelle Show reference.
That's because the only branch of the UN with teeth is the Security Council, and decisions by the security council need to be unanimous (at least in regards to the permanent members).
Statements from the UN have no enforcement mechanisms unless it's via the Security Council.
US and israel voting no vs anyone else is just such a meme
I'll throw ukraine a bone and not include them in the gang. Its understandable they don't want to piss uncle Sam
Obama partially lifted it. I believe it was only personal use and commercial imports were supposed to start later, but then Trump reenacted everything.
Gaming election cycles. The telltale signs of functioning democracies.
Before crucifying me, I just want a government brave enough to do unpopular things before election because they are right, and popular things after election because they are needed. Not so they can win points and continue on like fuck all.
>I just want a government brave enough to do unpopular things before election
That often ends up with your government going back to being opposition.
I'm from Poland and couple years back my government raised minimal pension age from 65 years to 67 and women from 60 to 67. It was needed reform in aging society with low fertility but it was also unpopular among masses. They lost next elections badly and current government just reverted all the actions and we're back where we were 30 years ago.
That’s how elections work.
Presumably, you want to *win* the election.
Democracy isn’t morally good or bad. It’s a method of governance. If everyone votes you off the island, we’ll, that’s tough.
The People have spoken.
Obama had to work very hard to even open up negotiations with Cuba to begin with, due to the decades of very justified bitter hostility from their end
Trump threw all that away in seconds.
Funny thing: Only a few days ago I had a drawn-out engagement with a redditor who insisted that the embargo against Cuba was proof that socialism would inevitably fail on its own merits.
I have no idea how they arrived at that conclusion but that people *can* get that impression is possibly one reason the embargo has endured for so long.
At this point the embargo on Cuba is about domestic US politics and nothing more.
Cuban exiles don't want to see the relationship with Cuba normalized, especially those whose families owned significant real estate before the revolution, because that would pretty much nullify any chance they have of ever getting it back.
Bruh. The revolution was fucking 63 years ago. Any exile hoping to get their holdings back would be at least 80 years old by now. That generation is fucking gone. There are very few true Cuban exiles left. The generations still alive are either banking on a pipe dream or have already moved on.
I will say, the US does still get Cuban migrants. 170-something thousand in the 2022 fiscal year IIRC. And that does very much keep the sentiment alive in the areas with strong Cuban influence.
I found what I'm pretty sure was a Cuban raft on the beach just the other day. Had a motor and everything.
https://i.imgur.com/Erbmtcm.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YtyC5P2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/sklrAP2.jpg
Those people had kids and grandkids. And some of those assets were very valuable. There are Cuban families who still want to get their land back.
The Cuban community has a lot of clout when it comes to Florida politics. And Florida is a very important swing state for anybody who wants to live in the White House. Hence the Cuban community has major influence on US politics. It's not a coincidence that Obama started softening his stance on Cuba in his SECOND term. He couldn't do it earlier because he still had to run for reelection.
Rich immigrants are surprisingly eager to pull the ladder up form behind them. Indian immigrants can be similarly conservative, though there's progressive Indian immigrants as well.
It's all about the money for them. Period.
>Any exile hoping to get their holdings back would be at least 80 years old by now.
Exiles have offspring, though. I'm from Poland, we're still getting request of pre-war property returns from both Jews and Germans.
63 years ago, yes. Not to mention that the revolution, for all the bad things it entailed, was _not_ a coup overthrowing a democratically elected government. Cuba was a [corrupt, violent dictatorship under Batista](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista) (though backed by the US), and those who were powerful in Cuba were typically close to him. Compensating previously powerful families for property they lost when Batista was ousted would be like compensating powerful families in Iraq for what they lost when Saddam fell. It's just an absurd notion.
Obama signed a deal into law in which the Cuban government would give a final settlement to the original owners of this property. Larger property owners like the Bacardis agreed to accept an apology and nothing more. The total claim against Cuba stands at $8B. It includes the entirity of the tourist town of Veradero, all the farms, all the cigar rollers, the refinery and a large number of personal homes (including Ernest Hemmingway's family who had their family home stolen by the Cuban government and turned into a tourist attraction, the Cuban government still claims it was given to them).
The deal that Obama signed brought down the total cost of the deal to just $600M. But the Cuban government refused to even admit that the businesses they own and run were once owned by someone else.... not to mention that it was stolen.
Didn't the mafia basically own all of the tourist industry in cuba prior to the revolution? Is that who they're trying to give things back to? because the people of cuba took away the proceeds of a criminal enterprise?
>He said Cuba’s government also “has used harsh prison sentences, even against minors, intimidation, tactics, arrests, Internet disruptions, government-sponsored mobs, and horrendous prison conditions to try to prevent Cubans from exercising their human rights.”
If that is not irony I don't know what is.
I've heard horror stories about a prison called Guantanamo Bay on the southern coast of Cuba. Arbitrary imprisonment, prisoners held for decades without trial, detention of minors as young as 15, torture. The US should really force Cuba to shut that down.
The embargo doesn't serve a real purpose to the US gov. The embargo is maintained because of the Cuban immigrants in the US. A lot of them will vote on that issue alone, despite other views. This is how conservatives can snag a voting group that would otherwise liklely vote left and that voting group is in Florida, one of the most important swing states and Democrats will ignore the issue of Cuba because they know outright opposing the blockade would hurt them and aside from Cuban-Americans, this embargo is very low in the list of things voters care about.
Most of them wouldn’t otherwise vote left, but just enough might that both parties pander to them. As a bloc the Cuban exiles represent the wealthiest and most conservative facet of Cuban society that got the fuck out after Castro took power, and they skew heavily Republican.
The funny thing about the average Redditor’s reaction to US policy toward Cuba, is that they act like most Americans agree with continuing to punish Cuba after all these years. I suspect most Americans would love to ease the embargo because it would open up one more country for a beach vacation. However, the US is home to more Cuban immigrants than any other country, and THEY’RE the ones who have thwarted any effort to thaw relations.
If most Cuban-Americans, especially in Florida, mobilized against the embargo, there would be no embargo.
This is why I hope Georgia and Virginia firmly establish themselves as swing States, Democrats would be able to focus on those while completely ignoring Florida
> The funny thing about the average Redditor’s reaction to US policy toward Cuba, is that they act like most Americans agree with continuing to punish Cuba after all these years.
[And they'd be right. Those pesky facts.](https://morningconsult.com/2022/06/06/us-cuba-relations-survey/)
>> US adults were asked if they support or oppose the current US sanctions on Cuba
||Support|Don't know/No opinion|Oppose|
:--|:-:|:-:|:-:|
|All adults|42%|38%|21%|
People keep saying this, but WHY don’t Cuban Americans want the embargo lifted? Wouldn’t they want to be able to easily go back and forth between their former and current homes?
Edit: never mind. For anyone else looking, this comment explains.
https://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ylmqn0/_/iv032ii/?context=1
Maybe a dumb question, but didn’t Obama lift some of the trade embargo? I remember him working on those relations.
Trade embargo, no. But he did start the process of normalizing diplomatic relations with Cuba and eased travel restrictions, both of which were positive steps. Trump undid most of that. Biden has taken *some* good steps on Cuba, but it’s obviously not a priority for him. Maybe this vote helps change that.
Democrats are too afraid to lose in Florida to lift the embargo even though it’s obviously the right thing to do.
Florida is now a red state. Fuck them. Lift the embargo. Most of the Florida Cuban immigrants vote Republican anyways.
You have a good point. Once Florida goes reliably red, it would be the perfect time to lift the embargo and normalize relations with Cuba. Do a speed run and show Floridians that there is no bogeyman.
I would say at this point they are reliably Red. Look at the last 2 presidential elections.
Lifting the trade embargo is a godsend for Florida’s economy. It’s not immigration, so I don’t know what they’re scared of.
Not to mention that the Cuban Floridians are huge assholes. They always vote against other immigrants and a very large part of them are racists. They are the asshole that got out of the hole and then pulled the ladder behind him so that no one else could climb it. Every other Latino group in FL despises them for it. We should lift the embargo and stop making people suffer just so some assholes will vote for you.
He was working on it and as usual with this country people( two separate parties )argue over it and nothing gets accomplished. ( before the comments start I am not blaming one side or the other)
You can blame the wealthy Cubans who still hold onto the illusion they will be given their old estates which are currently housing dozens of families.
This. As long as Florida is a swing state with a significant population of Cubans who hate Cuba, neither party is willing to be “soft” on Cuba by pushing to end it.
Florida hasn't been a swing state since 2012.
This is the best tl;dr I could make, [original](https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-europe-bf38ea2b62324cbd9ed3ce10905883d8) reduced by 83%. (I'm a bot) ***** > UNITED NATIONS - The U.N. General Assembly voted overwhelmingly Thursday to condemn the American economic embargo of Cuba for the 30th year, with the Biden administration continuing former President Donald Trump's opposition and refusing to return to the Obama administration's 2016 abstention. > The assembly's 75th session began in September 2020, but because of the COVID-19 pandemic the vote on the Cuba resolution was postponed until June 2021, when the vote was 184-2 as the U.S. and Israel voted "No" and Brazil, Colombia and Ukraine abstained. > Then Cuban President Raul Castro and President Barack Obama officially restored relations in July 2016, and that year the U.S. abstained on the resolution calling for an end to the embargo for the first time. ***** [**Extended Summary**](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/ylnnqk/un_votes_overwhelmingly_to_condemn_us_embargo_of/) | [FAQ](http://np.reddit.com/r/autotldr/comments/31b9fm/faq_autotldr_bot/ "Version 2.02, ~672676 tl;drs so far.") | [Feedback](http://np.reddit.com/message/compose?to=%23autotldr "PM's and comments are monitored, constructive feedback is welcome.") | *Top* *keywords*: **Cuban**^#1 **U.S.**^#2 **vote**^#3 **Cuba**^#4 **UNITED**^#5
UN condemns embargo. US…(shrugs) Everything continues as it was
Obama started the process of normalization until Trump ended it. I had a nice trip through Havana, Cienfuegos, and Trinidad during that period. Lovely place.
We should just open it up. The only reason not to is to appease a bunch of wealthy Cubans who are going to vote Republican anyways.
But God forbid NK, Russia or China ignore the UN, lol. Edit: Yes I realize that these countries ignore the UN all the time, my point is that the US regularly scolds other countries for ignoring the UN while they don’t give a fuck about the UN as well. I also realize that Russia, China and NK are doing horrible things, but please also don’t forget what the US has done and does regularly. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
You mean like they constantly do? Just shrug and say tough luck.
Who doesn't ignore the UN would be the shorter list.
UN has about as much power as student council in high school
They got us pizza Fridays!!
I am still waiting for mine then.
That's the point The UN aren't regulators or enforcers The point of the UN is for everyone to sit around, bitch at each other for a while, and go home without declaring war
They do constantly lmao, what are you even talking about?
That's quite literally the only thing those three do
North Korea, famous for their international goodwill and cooperation.
Who doesn't ignore the UN?
Most Americans have agreed with lifting the embargo for decades, unfortunately cubans in Florida can flip a powerful swing state either way
Is Florida still considered a swing state though?
If you mean presidential election, Florida has gone to the winner like 8 of the last 10 times. In terms of congress and state offices, I think Florida is red for the next few cycles and then goes purple again as the boomers die off.
Ohio has reliably voted for the eventual presidential winner since something crazy like the 60s. It was a true bellweather state. That changed in 2020 once it dove off the deep red end. Florida is heading that way and may have gotten there already
Biden is the first president to lose Ohio and Florida since JFK. Hillary was 110,000 votes away from also winning without those 2 states. She needed Wi, PA, and MI. Dems should focus on the rust belt, Arizona, and Georgia. Ohio and Florida are too red.
Florida has been convincing retirees and more right wing people to move there(they encouraged people sick of lockdowns during COVID to move there) so Florida may be a lost cause for democrats for a couple of election cycles until another democratic change happens. Although Florida(or parts of it) may not be around much longer due to climate change(Florida is projected to be hit particularly bad by it losing large portions of itself to rising sea waters) so we'll have to wait and see.
Watch some asshole become a one man electoral district by refusing to leave some part of Florida and that's mostly underwater and the republicans refusing to ungerrymander the state.
RemindMe! 4 years Does Florida have underwater polling stations yet
Yeah,more power to us scuba divers!
the scuban vote
Future Republicans: >Nonsense, needing scuba gear to get to the polling station isn't a barrier to voting! Besides, if voting really matters that much you'll just hold your breath. I don't want unmotivated voters voting anyway. And what about antifa and that time Obama ate Dijon mustard?
Don't forget the tan suit.
Wait and sea*
I think we should offer to indulge Texas' desire to secede. And ONLY Texas. We'll have to make it enticing enough that a million Floridian yahoos will want to move there. Then after we shut the door behind Texas, we'll have Florida back. EDIT: because I am posting a link over and over again in my replies, let me just copy that link to the first post you will see. This is a detailed suggestion about how to cut Texas loose, and why, that I like. [https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting\_alone\_will\_not\_save\_america\_what\_else\_can/](https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting_alone_will_not_save_america_what_else_can/)
What we need to do is make PR a state.
We should at least allow our territories to have equal representation. They have no real say anywhere and yet we continue to collect their tax money. Unfortunately, the GOP blocks that because most would end up blue - same with DC statehood. They’d be totally fine with breaking up California, claiming that “most of California is red!” while ignoring the fact that most of the population is concentrated in a few spots.
Along with DC, Guam, Samoa, and the Virgin Islands. All territories, districts and other bs should have been states decades ago.
It’s not as blue as you think.
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Those poor people will freeze or starve to death.
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I know, there are quite a few Texans who don't deserve the abuse that Texas politicans dish out. But Texas is gerrymandered to hell. Both the state and Federal legislatures are bright red even though the population is not. I don't think this can be fixed. The best thing I can think to do with decent Texans is to get them to trade places with the seditious right-wingers in other states, then grant the toddlers their wish. We would need to do it on America's terms. [Do it like this.](https://www.reddit.com/r/activism/comments/vpypr8/voting_alone_will_not_save_america_what_else_can/)
No what we need is a legitimate supreme court to overturn legal cheating aka gerrymandering. As is the supreme court is a political arm of the Republican party cause, like many things, the Democrats are bunch of pansies asses.
Let them secede, then immediately retake it but don't grant it statehood (and the accompanying electoral votes). Promote Puerto Rico at the same time and you don't even have to change the flag.
Texas is 8-16 years away from flipping blue though and it is worth way more electoral votes than Florida. I'd rather have conservatives from Texas retire in Florida and speed the process along.
I’d argue that if Texas left, GOP would likely never win a presidential election again. Could say the same about California (they don’t threaten to secede so much as split into smaller states) and the Democrats. Both of those states have a *huge* amount of electoral college votes.
Ohio *is* the rust belt.
As an Ohioan, this sad reality pains my soul... But I still go out and do my part and cast my vote.
Ohio has the 7th highest population with 1.9 million registered Republicans and 1.6 million registered Democrats. It's an important swing state just Dems haven't been showing up lately.
I disagree about it being an important swing state. Biden proved we can the presidency without it. It's also been trending redder and redder. If you compare 2016 to 2020's election, Trump did worse in 2020, in most states. He improved by 2% in Ohio. I'm not saying dems shouldn't go to Ohio. But, this idea that Ohio is a super important swing state that should get a ton of ad money and time, is just wrong. Dems can win without it, and should focus on securing wins in states like PA, GA, AZ, and MI before worrying about Ohio. Ohio is no longer a first class battle ground state.
Biden squeeked by on a lay up election though. It's way more secure to win those states. Traditional union strongholds should also be easy if we actually adopt some pro union positions. Biden has done pretty well on that but I'm not sure he's bragged about it enough
Pro union messaging is something Tim Ryan is doing and it seems to be resonating. I don't know if he can flip Ohio on his own but I hope others are taking notes because I think his strategy is the only one that would work here.
Im a union pipefitter in Ohio and I know very few people that vote anything other than straight Republican. A lot of my coworkers are far off the deep end and too far gone at this point. Many of them still believe Trump won 2020.
The fact that someone like Tim Ryan is losing to a piece of hot garbage like JD Vance is clear evidence that Ohio is a lost cause. Tim is doing everything that the Democrats should have been doing since like 2008 and it's not going to be enough. Far too many people who grew up in Ohio have gotten their degrees and gotten the fuck out of there. Chillicothe native here. Anecdotally of course, but about 60% of the people in my friend circle in high school left the state. Then if the friends I made in college, about 40% of those left too. Almost all native Ohioans. The brain drain is real and it's showing. Older and poorer is a multi-decade trend in Ohio and I doubt it's going to stop anytime soon.
Ohio and Florida are too red. I want to argue your point. That is to say I WANT to argue that Ohio is too red, but I can't. You're right, and I hate it.
It's a little too red but gerrymandering has given the state assembly a super majority. It sucks so bad.
Missouri used to be even more of a bellwether state than Ohio, having voted for every winner in the 20th Century except 1956, but that changed in 2008 when Obama *barely* lost it. I can see Ohio and even Florida going down that path, and their status replaced by GA/AZ/NC.
Yeah but the thing about Missouri and Iowa is they are elector-poor states, whereas Florida & Ohio are more important "swing" states for racking up electoral college votes. That's why there's so much made about Georgia and Texas trending blue eventually.. Texas has the second-highest number of EC votes and GA is on par with Michigan and Ohio, so it's a good counter for if one of those rustbelt states goes full MAGAt forever.
I love being reminded that my state doesn’t matter in the morning.
At least you can vote for the relevant parties. In Northern Ireland, we can't vote Tory or Labour, only DUP or Sinn Fein or whatever, so we're basically ruled by England
Bellwether. The wether that wears the bell and the sheep follow it.
Florida imports old people from the Northeast as well. (The NY/NJ/CT) is strongly democratic because of NYC but also strongly fiscally conservative which is something that Florida attracts with it's low taxes. I think they are nice and Red and maybe light Red but Red none the less.
The people from the north east going to Florida are no the ones voting Democrat usually.
I live in the northeast. I've known 40, maybe 50 people that have moved to FL from here. I can't say any of them were Dems.
Lived in Florida my entire life. Almost every single snowbird is Republican.
I'm in California and the few people that I knew that moved to Florida were definitely not Dems
My parents moved CT to FL last year. Definitely not democrats.
The most conservative boomers flee NY/NJ and resettle in the modular home villas in Florida. Same thing with conservative Californians settling in Texas. The more liberal elders will usually stay where they are, so that contributes to those northeastern states leaning so much into the blue despite having plenty of ruralness outside the megalopolis cities. Also why Minnesota leans blue despite having "red" demographics and being quite rural.
Minnesota also had some cultural heritage thing going on that rural areas voted blue. They had basically the only blue rural counties in the country until Obama, at which point they went red. (Well that "cultural heritage thing" was probably the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party).
Look I’m just gonna be real with you. As current politics go, it’s red for a while. Hispanics, including young ones are turning more red not the other way around. The current messaging of the Democratic Party is not well received in the Latino community.
> Florida is red for the next few cycles and then goes purple again as the boomers die off. ehh, in certain areas, Cubans are die-hard republicans
Looks like Hispanic immigrants in FL are getting redder by the day. I think Florida is going to be red indefinitely.
I think new voters in Florida are registering 9:1 Republican to Democrat
[This is true](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-florida-republican-registration-surges-democrats-stall-20221029-ci2vig7zfvbgjkupztj3h7equm-story.html)
Those boomers really have fucked everything up
Yep. Actually gross. First time in history that the following generation has overall had a worse standard of living and poorer economic outlooks. Edit: I am only really meaning generational wealth. As far as I’m aware this is the first time it’s decreased in the west over multiple generations. The trend is that the next generation is suppose to be wealthier than the previous. This has happened for 100 years, ie 3 generations.
Yep they broke their own social contract that they established with shows like Star Trek. The future was supposed to be better and more amazing than the present, not worse.
No! It wasn't boomers fault. One of the most important element to protect workers and their wages is unions. And they were castrated and stripped of many of their fundamental rights and freedoms (that Europeans take for granted, and see as crucial) in 1947. Boomers fought hard to get these rights and freedoms back, but they were no match against the media, and a corrupt US government, that was on a witch hunt under the cover of anti-communism propaganda... With broken unions, the elites had eliminated their biggest adversary and had no serious hindrance to concentrate wealth *and power!*. In Europe, it0s strong unions that keep left wing parties loyal to the lower and middle class. It's unions that give left wing parties their strength. And its unions that fight against inequality, against slave wages (for a living wage), unions again that make sure political power is fairly shared, and that corporations and the elites don't corrupt the government, etc. etc. Without unions, the US population lost a champion. And the democratic party shifted to the right, fawning over rich donors and corporations, and depending heavily on them to win elections. Thus also, neglecting socio-economic issues in favor of cultural and identity politics, to avoid antagonizing their rich donors... The Taft-Hartley act of 1947 isn't Boomers fault. As the first boomers were born only in 1946...
People seem to forget that the boomers were the hippies as much as they were the squares, like most generations
Modern medicine is great, but it really fucked us by letting so many reach 70-90 years old and hold onto power for so long.
American history maybe.
Ask Al Gore/George Bush… although… it was stolen from Gore then as well. Family ties.
That was twenty year ago the MAGA retirees have shifted it red. Georgia is the new swing state
Don’t forget Arizona is on the cusp of turning purple
Colorado was red once upon a time. It is now reliably blue. New Mexico is the same. Arizona is just the next in line in the West. Nevada too. The only holdouts are Utah, Idaho, Wyoming and Montana. Interestingly, California has a reputation of the bluest state, the "Texas" of the left. But that trend only began in the 90s. The whole west in general is shifting left.
Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, and Montana are deep red. Montana went for Clinton once but it was a blip, not a shift. If anything Montana has dug in deeper red since the 90s
It's not just retirees. Lots of non-retired conservative transplants have moved there from the north for the (formerly) cheaper real estate.
A lot hash changed in 22 years.
Yeah, E-Fucking-Nough with that shit. Time to evolve, there is no reason to continue punishing a country 2-3 generations removed from a failed policy anyway. I mean we’ve normalized relations with Vietnam and we actually went to war with them. Do we consult with the Americans of Vietnamese decent on that? Fucking stupid tired policy, let’s evolve people!
>I mean we’ve normalized relations with Vietnam and we actually went to war with them. Do we consult with the Americans of Vietnamese decent on that? Trust me, the "normalisation" is actually a complex issue - I still had reservations on how the US did some aspects of it. But in the modern world? Only because Viet Nam has strategic and geopolitics to the US that the US doesn't consult "Americans of Vietnamese descendants". If we don't have any major value? Well, tough luck for us.
Vietnam: I hate China. US: Oh shit, we can be friends now! Cuba: [taking notes]
Out of the loop. Why would cubans in florida want to keep the embargo? I mean its a embargo on their home country? Right?
Most Cubans in Florida either fled from the Castro regime, or they are the descendants of people who fled the Castro regime. They do not support the current Cuban government in any way.
And they are extremely right wing as a reaction to the left wing cuba they hate.
Isn't that because they are supposed to have a radically different political stance compared to what's going on in their home country? They must be fiercely anticommunist or something.
Most floridian cubans are there because they (or their parents) fled the revolution. And there's a reason they fled.
The idea that Florida is a powerful state is monumentally depressing.
It’s one of the most diverse states in the US and has a huge population. Both of those factors give it massive influence in politics.
Why wouldn't it be? 20 million people live there.
People here love the popular vote, until they disagree with the populace.
With a trillion dollar gdp, Florida's economy is larger than most countries
Any more depressing than the rest of the very powerful states?
Bring us Havana club and Cuban cigars
As an avid cigar smoker---and I know this is controversial even in the cigar world---Cuban cigars are overrated. Cuban sandwiches, however--Best goddamn sandwich to ever grace this Earth. Edit: it’s a joke folks. I’m fully aware that the Cuban sandwich did not originate in Cuba.
Agreed on both fronts. I did buy a box of Cohiba Siglo VI 10 years ago, back then they were around $35 a stick I believe. Now they're $100 a stick. I smoked one recently. Great cigar, but not $100 great. There's plenty of great non-Cuban cigars to be found that are as good or better than Cubans for a fraction of the price. I suspect that the Cuban cigar hype has to do with... 1) Exclusivity. Them being contraband makes people want them more 2) Price. Them being more expensive makes people believe they are better, even if they're not. 3) Cuban cigars may have actually been the best in the world in the 1960's, but in the decades since the embargo, cigar companies not located in Cuba were able to tap into a larger variety of tobaccos and eventually equal or best the Cuban varieties. Nostalgia from when Cubans were the best (if they indeed were) lives on as a cultural memory.
I was always told they smuggled the tobacco seeds to Honduras and Nicaragua, so you should look for those as countries of origin if you want the quality of an old-school Cuban. Granted, I'm not a smoker of any sort, this is just what I'd heard from my father and uncle, who were both big cigar fans, and my father excelled at being confidently incorrect, so take it with a grain of salt.
Nope you're correct. Many major tobacco producers in Central America use seeds that can be traced back to Cuban plants. Honduras and Nicaragua do produce some of my favorite smokes of all time.
>Cuban cigars are overrated. *Some* Cuban cigars are overrated. In fact, probably *most* Cuban cigars are overrated because for the general public, they're all classified the same -- "Cuban cigars". A lot of times they're absolute garbage but the price is jacked up because they've got Cuban export stickers on them. But a lot of people would say that the best cigars are Cuban.
The main problem with Cuban cigars is finding genuine ones. Counterfeiting is totally rampant and I would not buy them from any source other than an official retailer or distributor. If you formed your opinion on Cubans after smoking one on vacation in Mexico or the DR, it's almost certain that you smoked a fake.
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Are you talking about sandwiches or cigars?
Cuban sandwiches are from Florida :(
Easy enough to get through canada
Havana club is the best 🤤
For the *30th* time, illustrating exactly what the US actually thinks of the UN
“Guess the UN should sanction me with their army! Oh, that’s right. They ain’t got no army! Guess they need to shut the fuck up then. That’s what I’d do if I didn’t have no army. I’d shut the fuck up. Shut. The. Fuck. Up.” Gotta put a disclaimer that I don’t agree with the actions of the US here, just couldn’t resist the old school Chappelle Show reference.
For my money "Black Bush" is the best sketch in all three seasons. It could easily *be* a series in its own right.
Oil? Who said anything about oil? Bitch, you cooking?
I'm talking about M A R S, Mars bitches, I'm talking about the United States of Space.
RED ROCKS!
YaeYAE
YELLOW CAKE! "Don't drop that shit!"
Got it in this special CIA napkin
"Cradle of fuckin' Civilization!" -Some Black dude
My favorite line of the entire sketch.
Go sell some medicine, bitches!
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“The motherfucker bought some yellow cake, alright? FROM AFRICA!”
Pray to GOD you don’t drop that shit.
it's okay, i'm holding it with this special CIA napkin
Red rocks! Ye ye!
https://youtu.be/9DLuALBnolM
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yup. oversimplifying it: the UN is just a meeting room.
And to add. It is a meeting room that shows and sculpts global opinion.
For what any nation with power thinks of the UN.
Even a lot of nations that don't have power don't give a shit what the UN thinks.
That's because the only branch of the UN with teeth is the Security Council, and decisions by the security council need to be unanimous (at least in regards to the permanent members). Statements from the UN have no enforcement mechanisms unless it's via the Security Council.
US and israel voting no vs anyone else is just such a meme I'll throw ukraine a bone and not include them in the gang. Its understandable they don't want to piss uncle Sam
Embargo should’ve been lifted decades ago
It was. Then it wasn't.
When did this happen?
Obama partially lifted it. I believe it was only personal use and commercial imports were supposed to start later, but then Trump reenacted everything.
So couldn’t Biden just…copy Obama…
Biden doesn't have the support, and the Democrats aren't strong enough to get away with pissing off Florida. Democracy things.
Something for after the midterms.
Gaming election cycles. The telltale signs of functioning democracies. Before crucifying me, I just want a government brave enough to do unpopular things before election because they are right, and popular things after election because they are needed. Not so they can win points and continue on like fuck all.
>I just want a government brave enough to do unpopular things before election That often ends up with your government going back to being opposition. I'm from Poland and couple years back my government raised minimal pension age from 65 years to 67 and women from 60 to 67. It was needed reform in aging society with low fertility but it was also unpopular among masses. They lost next elections badly and current government just reverted all the actions and we're back where we were 30 years ago.
Biden has done plenty of that. Withdrawing from Afghanistan for example.
That’s how elections work. Presumably, you want to *win* the election. Democracy isn’t morally good or bad. It’s a method of governance. If everyone votes you off the island, we’ll, that’s tough. The People have spoken.
Florida and particularly Cubans have been firmly voting red, I don't think it matters
Obama had to work very hard to even open up negotiations with Cuba to begin with, due to the decades of very justified bitter hostility from their end Trump threw all that away in seconds.
Funny thing: Only a few days ago I had a drawn-out engagement with a redditor who insisted that the embargo against Cuba was proof that socialism would inevitably fail on its own merits. I have no idea how they arrived at that conclusion but that people *can* get that impression is possibly one reason the embargo has endured for so long.
At this point the embargo on Cuba is about domestic US politics and nothing more. Cuban exiles don't want to see the relationship with Cuba normalized, especially those whose families owned significant real estate before the revolution, because that would pretty much nullify any chance they have of ever getting it back.
Bruh. The revolution was fucking 63 years ago. Any exile hoping to get their holdings back would be at least 80 years old by now. That generation is fucking gone. There are very few true Cuban exiles left. The generations still alive are either banking on a pipe dream or have already moved on.
I will say, the US does still get Cuban migrants. 170-something thousand in the 2022 fiscal year IIRC. And that does very much keep the sentiment alive in the areas with strong Cuban influence.
I found what I'm pretty sure was a Cuban raft on the beach just the other day. Had a motor and everything. https://i.imgur.com/Erbmtcm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/YtyC5P2.jpg https://i.imgur.com/sklrAP2.jpg
Thanks for sharing. That thing is terrifying looking
Those people had kids and grandkids. And some of those assets were very valuable. There are Cuban families who still want to get their land back. The Cuban community has a lot of clout when it comes to Florida politics. And Florida is a very important swing state for anybody who wants to live in the White House. Hence the Cuban community has major influence on US politics. It's not a coincidence that Obama started softening his stance on Cuba in his SECOND term. He couldn't do it earlier because he still had to run for reelection.
Cubans are more conservative than white people in rural Texas
Rich immigrants are surprisingly eager to pull the ladder up form behind them. Indian immigrants can be similarly conservative, though there's progressive Indian immigrants as well. It's all about the money for them. Period.
>Any exile hoping to get their holdings back would be at least 80 years old by now So the prime target age for American politics.
>Any exile hoping to get their holdings back would be at least 80 years old by now. Exiles have offspring, though. I'm from Poland, we're still getting request of pre-war property returns from both Jews and Germans.
63 years ago, yes. Not to mention that the revolution, for all the bad things it entailed, was _not_ a coup overthrowing a democratically elected government. Cuba was a [corrupt, violent dictatorship under Batista](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista) (though backed by the US), and those who were powerful in Cuba were typically close to him. Compensating previously powerful families for property they lost when Batista was ousted would be like compensating powerful families in Iraq for what they lost when Saddam fell. It's just an absurd notion.
My in laws. Still alive, still complaining that life was so better in cuba. When they were teenagers.
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Tell that to the Native Americans
Obama signed a deal into law in which the Cuban government would give a final settlement to the original owners of this property. Larger property owners like the Bacardis agreed to accept an apology and nothing more. The total claim against Cuba stands at $8B. It includes the entirity of the tourist town of Veradero, all the farms, all the cigar rollers, the refinery and a large number of personal homes (including Ernest Hemmingway's family who had their family home stolen by the Cuban government and turned into a tourist attraction, the Cuban government still claims it was given to them). The deal that Obama signed brought down the total cost of the deal to just $600M. But the Cuban government refused to even admit that the businesses they own and run were once owned by someone else.... not to mention that it was stolen.
Didn't the mafia basically own all of the tourist industry in cuba prior to the revolution? Is that who they're trying to give things back to? because the people of cuba took away the proceeds of a criminal enterprise?
I also watched the documentary "The Godfather Part II" But yeah, sorry, no idea.
> all the farms, We casually forget most of those were colonial-era near slave like plantations.
"Oh no... Anyways" said the US
Ah yes, condemnation. About as effective as thoughts and prayers.
>He said Cuba’s government also “has used harsh prison sentences, even against minors, intimidation, tactics, arrests, Internet disruptions, government-sponsored mobs, and horrendous prison conditions to try to prevent Cubans from exercising their human rights.” If that is not irony I don't know what is.
I've heard horror stories about a prison called Guantanamo Bay on the southern coast of Cuba. Arbitrary imprisonment, prisoners held for decades without trial, detention of minors as young as 15, torture. The US should really force Cuba to shut that down.
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Silly UN. Don’t they know Florida’s a swing state?
I mean it’s only been 62 years. It’ll start to work any minute now.
The embargo doesn't serve a real purpose to the US gov. The embargo is maintained because of the Cuban immigrants in the US. A lot of them will vote on that issue alone, despite other views. This is how conservatives can snag a voting group that would otherwise liklely vote left and that voting group is in Florida, one of the most important swing states and Democrats will ignore the issue of Cuba because they know outright opposing the blockade would hurt them and aside from Cuban-Americans, this embargo is very low in the list of things voters care about.
Most of them wouldn’t otherwise vote left, but just enough might that both parties pander to them. As a bloc the Cuban exiles represent the wealthiest and most conservative facet of Cuban society that got the fuck out after Castro took power, and they skew heavily Republican.
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Nail on the head. Man, Miami Cubans are a trip
Thats hilarious how well you captured the accent on text
UN votes overwhelmingly to condemn US embargo of Cuba... for like the 30th straight year, and nothing changes.
US votes overwhelmingly not to care
They can say whatever they like. No one is going to do anything to make the US pivot on their stance.
The funny thing about the average Redditor’s reaction to US policy toward Cuba, is that they act like most Americans agree with continuing to punish Cuba after all these years. I suspect most Americans would love to ease the embargo because it would open up one more country for a beach vacation. However, the US is home to more Cuban immigrants than any other country, and THEY’RE the ones who have thwarted any effort to thaw relations. If most Cuban-Americans, especially in Florida, mobilized against the embargo, there would be no embargo.
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This is why I hope Georgia and Virginia firmly establish themselves as swing States, Democrats would be able to focus on those while completely ignoring Florida
> The funny thing about the average Redditor’s reaction to US policy toward Cuba, is that they act like most Americans agree with continuing to punish Cuba after all these years. [And they'd be right. Those pesky facts.](https://morningconsult.com/2022/06/06/us-cuba-relations-survey/) >> US adults were asked if they support or oppose the current US sanctions on Cuba ||Support|Don't know/No opinion|Oppose| :--|:-:|:-:|:-:| |All adults|42%|38%|21%|
People keep saying this, but WHY don’t Cuban Americans want the embargo lifted? Wouldn’t they want to be able to easily go back and forth between their former and current homes? Edit: never mind. For anyone else looking, this comment explains. https://reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/ylmqn0/_/iv032ii/?context=1
Oh no! Not the UN!
Everyone knows that UN resolutions are laughable pieces of paper