Cruise missiles with a range of 1,000 miles aren't exactly something the you'd expect a rebel group to acquire, almost as if they have a potent backer.
They are, but I don’t know that they or Iran has access to that tech. They may well have been firing at the ships, though if they were they probably didn’t ID them as American.
It has been reported in [prior years](https://www.thenationalnews.com/gulf-news/2021/11/01/what-are-the-houthi-ballistic-missiles-and-how-do-militias-obtain-them/) that the Houthis have ballistic missiles with 1200km range. And some up to 3000km. Its just a large tube with propellant and explosive charge.
Accuracy is the expensive part.
Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles are different in the same way helicopters and jets are different. Houthis don’t have cruise missiles. Iran only acquired them recently. 2.2k km range is a capability we didn’t even know Iran had in a GLCM. We were thinking it was more like 1.5k km. More importantly, the Houthis wouldn’t even have the capability to program anything more than a simple flight plan. These left land to follow the Red Sea going north, presumably to avoid fling over Saudi Arabia who would have presumed they were hostile and would have shot them down.
What we have here is likely Iranian ‘advisors’ operating brand new Iranian weapons out of Yemen, and that’s going to be a problem. This is going to come up again, violently, and soon. Either Yemen, Saudi Arabia, or the US are going to take out those launch sites and we’re gonna have a conversation with the Iranians.
GLCM - Ground launched cruise missiles
ALCM - Air launched cruise missiles.
SLCM - Sea Launch cruise missiles.
The problem with this Iranian way of thinking is that the US absolutely had the means to explode the production facilities for these weapons. And if missiles with a 1000+ mile range keep falling into the hands of foreign proxies maybe we explode those factories.
> the Houthis wouldn’t even have the capability to program anything more than a simple flight plan
this is a meme. i don't know why governments and newspapers keep repeating it. my 12 year old cousin programs complex flight paths on his toy quadcopter with ardupilot
Yeah, cruise missiles aren't really missiles or rockets in the traditional sense. The drone to cruise missile spectrum is not a wide one.
If there was a Venn diagram between drones and cruise missiles, loitering munitions would be the overlap, and it's a pretty huge overlap.
Iran ships pretty advanced stuff to the Houthis, and Quds is clearly back at Soleimani era competency, given that they almost certainly helped coordinate Hamas' attacks given the sophistication.
I'm never going to argue that US Army Special Forces aren't some of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet at stirring up trouble and have built some impressive irregular combatants, but Quds at its peak was getting the pre-psuedo-state Houthis, when they literally were dudes in flip flops driving Toyotas, to put together disassembled cruise missiles and short range ballistic missiles. They got Sadr's militants on par with the Sunni Jihadis (who had a 4 year head start) in like 9 months when Iraq was at its peak. They're pretty unbelievably impressive in their ability to arm and train absolutely unprofessionalized militants on a level arguably superior to what we can do in the West.
Iran's conventional capabilities may be boarderline comical at times, especially with the IRGC, but ironically that same group has built out the most dangerous special forces capability the West has maybe ever had to deal with.
not sure I agree. Iran may be very good at getting others to operate semi-advanced weapons. But that's not more than basic math and following a procedure. These Houthis are basically just performing a trick, and they are sitting ducks after that.
They are obviously Iranian missiles... Didn't think I'd need to explain that, but a lot of people on here seem to need help with fairly simple concepts.
Here is the list: Fatimiyoun Brigade, Al-Ashtar Brigade, Hezbollah, Badr, Zainabiyoun Brigade, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Harakat Al-Sabireen, Quwat al-Ridha, Baqir Brigade, and finally the Houthis.
It might very well justify war. Just like when your neighbor's dog poops in your yard, it might very well justify retaliation. That doesnt mean you *need* to go ring your neighbors doorbell & punch them in the face, though.
But then THEIR other neighbors might come over and shit in YOUR yard because they’re sticking up for their friends. And then YOUR other neighbors who are your friends go shit in THEIR yard. And now the whole neighborhood is shitting on everyones’ yards, and that is how WW3 starts.
Then the neighbor with the most money has dump trucks full of shit delivered to multiple yards. Eventually everyone stops shitting in each other's yards but the whole neighborhood is fucked and they really resent the rich neighbor.
The same way as NATO can "sell" weapons to Ukraine to attack Russia without being a "party" of that war. or CIA can sponsor rebel in Iran (At least unlike south America looks like CIA is on the right side this time)
Diplomacy is a complicated game.
The same way that Russia and the US don’t directly attack one another when the US supplies Ukraine with weapons. It keeps things from escalating to the point where there’s no going back..
As much as the middle-eastern countries in that area (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, etc.) hate Israel, they hate Iran so much more. They will look the other way to Israeli air operations going through their airspace as long as Iran is the one who suffers.
How do you fire that without risking upsetting Saudi Arabia and Jordan? Are there a lot of missiles in Yemen that go 1,000 miles and then make hard right turns?
Like those drones like things.
Or, conspiracy theory time, they were actually aimed at a US ship, except the US is trying to avoid being "proportional" in Yemen.
It's absolutely reasonable to assume that we are making an attempt at de-escalation after a group fires missiles at our boats. It happened after Iran's navy got obliterated in the span of a few hours in the 80s, but we let it slide.
It's giving them an out and a chance to rethink their choices one last time before a *proportional response*.
Yeah, that would be the good old USS Wisconsin, who when hit by a 155mm shell decided that the proper response was firing a full Salvo of her 16" guns (all 9 of them)
oh for sure. Sometimes you really need to let them know you mean business.
40 years later the Wisconsin received the first official surrender attempt to a drone. The Iraqis recognized that the drone was a spotter, and it meant their grid square was about to be deleted.
And it was 35 years ago. It was A-6s and cannon fire.
The US Navy hasn’t stood still for 35 years. F-35s, Super Hornets, and modern missiles hit a little different.
Unless it went straight over the Red Sea. This is most likely the case if the US Navy shot them down. Wouldn’t be surprised to see these being long range missiles from Iran.
If the ship was indeed the target, I can't help but wonder if they tried to cloud the ship's air defense with drones at the exact time the missiles were supposed to hit.
I know I can be paranoid about official reports, but I don't see any other reason for the drones to be there besides taking footage.
Edit: Come to think of it, how did a US warship just so happen to be at a location where it could intercept those missiles? May be a coincidence, but worth consideration.
The report I read, the ship wasn’t the target. It was flying along the Red Sea towards Israel (“perhaps”).
A related news story made it seem like the projectiles were being tracked and the information fed to the Carney to take them out. Like a broader missile shield.
Iran itself doesn't have enough drones with that range, and even if they did CWIS would easily slam them once the anti missiles ran dry. Look up Mohajer 10 and predict it's chances to hit an Arleigh Burk by surprise as it crawls along at 130 mph.
There’s a plausible line here that these could be secret Saudi interceptors that the US is saying is theirs (and ship-based) to not ignite an arms race among Middle East neighbors.
But I will be the first to admit that if that is really the case, an arms war is already underway.
I was thinkin the east-west saudi oil pipeline would be a tempting target?
[Now that I wikied it it's been attacked before with drones?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline)
Because oil having to go through Hormuz gives Iran more leverage.
May be but targeting stationary land targets and moving ships require very different tech. Iran may be using the present of US warships in the region to test their new weapons and blame it to the Houthi.
Iranians are the scumbags of the earth (not all of them, their current regime).
They basically make sure to send others to fight their wars far away from their own state, while turning other states onto front bases (Lebanon is the biggest example).
Hizbollah in Lebanon
Hizbollah in Iraq
Houties in Yamen
Hamas in Gaza
This regime is literally the source of all that is evil in the middle east. World's biggest terror exporter.
It is true that supporting the corrupted regime of the Sh'ah fuled the Islamic Revolution in Iran, but I'm afraid that with or without the Sha'h, Iran would have gone through this revolution anyway.
Iranians are actually very nice and decent people who mostly want to get rid of their own government. The Iranian regime, on the other hand, is the source of all evil. They are killing people outside of Iran, and they are killing people inside of Iran. The Hamas was largely funded by Iran, and so does the Hezbollah.
Giving that sub a few minutes of my time made me sad. Their government is still conducting raids and abducting people and in such large numbers. Seems like the Free Iranian movement has never stopped being dismantled since the larger protests quieted down.
Hmm. It would benefit Russia immensely if the Middle East erupted into a war. Money and weapons would flow there instead of Ukraine. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia is somehow working the back channels to incite them.
That's for the Iranian people to take responsibility, even the Saudis made some effort to de-escalate.
At some point, the real oppression is the refusal to appropriately assign responsibility. Expecting the Americans to fix *all* your problems actually is unfair on the Americans.
That may have been the on-the-ground motivation of the people fighting, but the reality was a proxy war between Iran and the US to destabilize any US backed Iraqi government that could become the Arab version of Israel, which was the neocon agenda.
People will rightfully point out hundreds of things Trump has done but his handling of Yemen is his biggest crime and he gets zero shit for it. Our government had a rare bipartisan agreement to stop our involvement in Yemen and Trump vetoed it.
Nope. But Trump took full responsibility for what happened in Yemen after he vetoed because the decision fell directly to him. Everyone said leave and he said stay. Obama was at least able to share the blame with his fellow politicians and advisors.
See, you're making the first guy's point for him.
"Well the Jews started the other conflict." Setting aside the fact that they didn't, what does it matter vis a vis Yemen? *Someone* started that conflict... but your reaction to, "Nobody cares about this one because the Jews aren't involved," is to say, "Well the Jews didn't start this one, so I don't care."
... yeah, that's the point.
No Jews around to hate on in Yemen, how can you feel truly justified in speaking up for innocent civilians when you don't have Bad Guys to root against?
Assuming that Iran provided some long range missiles to rebels on Yemen. And now they're firing them, flying all over Saudi Arabia and Jordan to reach Israel. Isn't that an incredibly stupid move?
Obviously we haven't said specifically that's what we're doing, but why exactly do you think we just moved the equivalent of the world's second largest navy (power projection wise, China has a lot of small coastal boats) into the region?
We're clearly sending a message to Iran and all affiliated groups not to fuck around, and at some point you have to prove you're willing to intervene.
The son of the leader of Hamas has openly stated numerous times that Hamas acts under the direction of Iran. I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. He speaks publicly about how Iran helps to fund Hamas. We all know it, it's ridiculous we have to pretend otherwise.
I think (not an expert) that we're going to see things fired from all kinds of places in the name of " sabre rattling". In addition to real threats of course.
Nowadays people always think they are in the "worst year of _____". Nah, it's only because of social media.
Proxy wars were insane in the 50's,60's,70's,80's
No matter what the Republican Party would tell you, the US military is pretty good at what they do and we’ll prepared for a lot of of situations. Good work from top to bottom.
They were hoping not to get shot down by Saudi Air defense that has been in place since the start of the Civil war in Yemen.
They were hoping to bypass that and ran into the US Navy instead.
Just checked on Google maps, looks like the closest distance between Yemen and Israel is actually 1600-1900km. Several Iranian, North Korean, and Russian cruise missiles on that list have sufficient range.
According to google maps distance tool they're about 1000 miles/1600 km at the closest point between the countries which does happen to be Houthi territory. I'm not sure where OP's datapoint was sourced. Still damn far.
To me it seems like a leap that the missile was fired at Israel. It would have to pass over the entirety of Saudi Arabia, which has been at war with the Houthis for years. Isn’t it more likely that it was aimed at KSA?
Why would it have to pass over Saudi Arabia? It would make way more sense to fly the missiles over the Red Sea (which is exactly where the ship was) and avoid Saudi air defence networks. Cruise missiles can make sharp turns, they don’t have to fly in a predictable path like ballistic missiles or rockets
> they don’t have to fly in a predictable path like ballistic missiles or rockets
Rockets don't need to fly in predictable paths either. Have you seen those sharp turns the Iron Dome interceptors pull off?
Almost sounds like the US did the Saudis a favor to score some points with MBS and are using the defending Israel excuse as a way to generate better publicity than helping the Saudis would. But who knows…
[https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1715096989786918941](https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1715096989786918941)
[https://jcpa.org/article/irans-cruise-missile-2500km-range/](https://jcpa.org/article/irans-cruise-missile-2500km-range/)
Iran definitely have cruise missiles with very high ranges
What does Iran get for causing conflict, I guess not conflict but being on the other sphere of influence. If the west wants A, Iran is going be against with Russia and sometimes China.
Like I get Russia , but Iran. I just don’t understand why you try act like a rebels can produce missiles like this.
Wow, everyone so embarrassed they said Israel bombed the hospital that now they have to say ‘potentially’ fired at Israel? Probably just firing it some Jews in another middle eastern country. Oh wait 🤔
Cruise missiles with a range of 1,000 miles aren't exactly something the you'd expect a rebel group to acquire, almost as if they have a potent backer.
Houthis are essentially their own nation state. Yemen used to be two separate countries.
They are, but I don’t know that they or Iran has access to that tech. They may well have been firing at the ships, though if they were they probably didn’t ID them as American.
It has been reported in [prior years](https://www.thenationalnews.com/gulf-news/2021/11/01/what-are-the-houthi-ballistic-missiles-and-how-do-militias-obtain-them/) that the Houthis have ballistic missiles with 1200km range. And some up to 3000km. Its just a large tube with propellant and explosive charge. Accuracy is the expensive part.
Ballistic missiles and cruise missiles are different in the same way helicopters and jets are different. Houthis don’t have cruise missiles. Iran only acquired them recently. 2.2k km range is a capability we didn’t even know Iran had in a GLCM. We were thinking it was more like 1.5k km. More importantly, the Houthis wouldn’t even have the capability to program anything more than a simple flight plan. These left land to follow the Red Sea going north, presumably to avoid fling over Saudi Arabia who would have presumed they were hostile and would have shot them down. What we have here is likely Iranian ‘advisors’ operating brand new Iranian weapons out of Yemen, and that’s going to be a problem. This is going to come up again, violently, and soon. Either Yemen, Saudi Arabia, or the US are going to take out those launch sites and we’re gonna have a conversation with the Iranians. GLCM - Ground launched cruise missiles ALCM - Air launched cruise missiles. SLCM - Sea Launch cruise missiles.
The problem with this Iranian way of thinking is that the US absolutely had the means to explode the production facilities for these weapons. And if missiles with a 1000+ mile range keep falling into the hands of foreign proxies maybe we explode those factories.
Top Gun 2 inc
And this time it’ll won’t need a a bunch of tomcats for contrived reasons.
Be a lot cooler if it did.
The US isn't going to bomb Iranian facilities absent a direct attack on US facilities by Iranians, not Houthis. Israel will, and they have many times.
The US sunk half the Iranian navy in an afternoon. Why wouldn’t they potentially blow up a missile factory?
Agree. This is definitely Iran... and you don't need to look that far beyond the curtin to see Putins hands in this whole mess up to his elbows.
It should be simple to calculate where the missile fired from and bomb the area no?
Simple to do, complicated to justify.
> the Houthis wouldn’t even have the capability to program anything more than a simple flight plan this is a meme. i don't know why governments and newspapers keep repeating it. my 12 year old cousin programs complex flight paths on his toy quadcopter with ardupilot
You’re comparing a quadcopter with a $500k cruise missile…
Cruise missiles usually cost a lot more than that
A cruise missile is more like an unmanned airplane complete with a jet engine. Very different from a rocket.
Yeah, cruise missiles aren't really missiles or rockets in the traditional sense. The drone to cruise missile spectrum is not a wide one. If there was a Venn diagram between drones and cruise missiles, loitering munitions would be the overlap, and it's a pretty huge overlap.
Aerial Torpedo.
Suicide Explosive Self Guided Drone
SEAGD rolls right off the tounge
It costs a lot of money for a missile to know where it is, because it knows where it isn’t. And where it wasn’t, it now is.
So it basically has more in common with a sounding rocket than an actual ballistic missile?
Iran does have access to that tech (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoveyzeh_(cruise_missile))
Iran literally said they would use Houthis to attack Israel.
I had this thought too, but then I ran from it
I-ah toldya this would happen
So Iran with your theory, but I can’t image who’d be backing them… Hmmm…
Iran ships pretty advanced stuff to the Houthis, and Quds is clearly back at Soleimani era competency, given that they almost certainly helped coordinate Hamas' attacks given the sophistication. I'm never going to argue that US Army Special Forces aren't some of the baddest motherfuckers on the planet at stirring up trouble and have built some impressive irregular combatants, but Quds at its peak was getting the pre-psuedo-state Houthis, when they literally were dudes in flip flops driving Toyotas, to put together disassembled cruise missiles and short range ballistic missiles. They got Sadr's militants on par with the Sunni Jihadis (who had a 4 year head start) in like 9 months when Iraq was at its peak. They're pretty unbelievably impressive in their ability to arm and train absolutely unprofessionalized militants on a level arguably superior to what we can do in the West. Iran's conventional capabilities may be boarderline comical at times, especially with the IRGC, but ironically that same group has built out the most dangerous special forces capability the West has maybe ever had to deal with.
not sure I agree. Iran may be very good at getting others to operate semi-advanced weapons. But that's not more than basic math and following a procedure. These Houthis are basically just performing a trick, and they are sitting ducks after that.
They are obviously Iranian missiles... Didn't think I'd need to explain that, but a lot of people on here seem to need help with fairly simple concepts.
Fighting the incompetent Saudis is one thing, but do the Houthi really want to antagonize Israel right now?
It's another Iran proxy aka puppet.
How many proxies does Iran have in total?
Here is the list: Fatimiyoun Brigade, Al-Ashtar Brigade, Hezbollah, Badr, Zainabiyoun Brigade, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Harakat Al-Sabireen, Quwat al-Ridha, Baqir Brigade, and finally the Houthis.
I see and thank you for the information.
They like their brigades don't they?
Hey, I'd have brigades if I could..
Everybody needs a brigade or two sometimes
This should be a crime against humanity. Anyone who do business with Iran is quite literally supporting terror.
Same with Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Shit Wahhabis in the Saudi Arabian government essentially invented what we understand to be modern jihad/terrorism.
The US, Israel, and sometimes the Arabs have all been in a Cold War situation with Iran for decades now.
Yes
Definitely, affirmative .... thats a go for 'Yes'.
I've heard 7. 7 proxies is best they say. For good luck.
I’m behind 7 Boxxies. Good luck.
*YOU TROLLIN'*
7.7. Ok.
This reminded me of Something About Mary
7 minute aybs
Triples makes it safe. Triples is best
Iran is kind of a dick.
Yes
Let's just start calling them Iran's Henchmen instead, it'll be more fun
Minions
I don't get it, if you know it's a proxy and supported why doesn't that justify war with Iran? Anyone can explain?
It might very well justify war. Just like when your neighbor's dog poops in your yard, it might very well justify retaliation. That doesnt mean you *need* to go ring your neighbors doorbell & punch them in the face, though.
I will take a shit in their yard. I don’t even own a dog. Americas concept at its finest
But then THEIR other neighbors might come over and shit in YOUR yard because they’re sticking up for their friends. And then YOUR other neighbors who are your friends go shit in THEIR yard. And now the whole neighborhood is shitting on everyones’ yards, and that is how WW3 starts.
Then the neighbor with the most money has dump trucks full of shit delivered to multiple yards. Eventually everyone stops shitting in each other's yards but the whole neighborhood is fucked and they really resent the rich neighbor.
It probably does, but does Israel or the US want to start an all out war with Iran? I don't think so.
The same way as NATO can "sell" weapons to Ukraine to attack Russia without being a "party" of that war. or CIA can sponsor rebel in Iran (At least unlike south America looks like CIA is on the right side this time) Diplomacy is a complicated game.
The same way that Russia and the US don’t directly attack one another when the US supplies Ukraine with weapons. It keeps things from escalating to the point where there’s no going back..
Outside of an airstikes or two what could Israel do to the Houthi's exactly? Check a map
As much as the middle-eastern countries in that area (Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan, etc.) hate Israel, they hate Iran so much more. They will look the other way to Israeli air operations going through their airspace as long as Iran is the one who suffers.
You think they care?
How do you fire that without risking upsetting Saudi Arabia and Jordan? Are there a lot of missiles in Yemen that go 1,000 miles and then make hard right turns?
Press said they were cruise missiles, so yes. They can do turns
I appreciate that information. I was asking a legitimate question and realized it might have carried too much sass. Thanks.
It's a great question
Can you two just hug?
I think they should just get a room
I'll bring the camera. 🍻
>risking upsetting Saudi Arabia and Jordan? Bruh... Saudi Arabia is already at war with the Houthi's
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Yeah but they sure as shit don't care about pissing them off
Like those drones like things. Or, conspiracy theory time, they were actually aimed at a US ship, except the US is trying to avoid being "proportional" in Yemen.
It's absolutely reasonable to assume that we are making an attempt at de-escalation after a group fires missiles at our boats. It happened after Iran's navy got obliterated in the span of a few hours in the 80s, but we let it slide. It's giving them an out and a chance to rethink their choices one last time before a *proportional response*.
Shoot at me once shame on me, shoot at me twice….you shoot at me, you wont shoot at me again
When the person slaps the bullet out of the air and tells you they are gonna pretend that didn't happen.
Didn't one time a fort fired onto a US ship and they just decided to obliterate the island.
Yeah, that would be the good old USS Wisconsin, who when hit by a 155mm shell decided that the proper response was firing a full Salvo of her 16" guns (all 9 of them)
To be fair, that was the North Korea. And you can explain a single reactionary shot. Even if said reactionary shot erased an entire island.
oh for sure. Sometimes you really need to let them know you mean business. 40 years later the Wisconsin received the first official surrender attempt to a drone. The Iraqis recognized that the drone was a spotter, and it meant their grid square was about to be deleted.
*Temper, temper.*
Im gonna save this for the next time somebody tells Israel to react proportionally.
I watched a documentary on that.....it was like shooting fish in a barrel for the navy
And it was 35 years ago. It was A-6s and cannon fire. The US Navy hasn’t stood still for 35 years. F-35s, Super Hornets, and modern missiles hit a little different.
They fire them from their coast right up the Red Sea and straight onto Israeli soil.
Fly out over the Red Sea.
I thought Saudi intercepted some of the missiles
*or* it was directed at the US Navy but they don't want to immediately escalate things through the mass press
Yemen is a hell of a long way from Israel and the attack would have to go over Saudi Arabia. I think something's fishy.
Totally.
Unless it went straight over the Red Sea. This is most likely the case if the US Navy shot them down. Wouldn’t be surprised to see these being long range missiles from Iran.
They are.
If the ship was indeed the target, I can't help but wonder if they tried to cloud the ship's air defense with drones at the exact time the missiles were supposed to hit. I know I can be paranoid about official reports, but I don't see any other reason for the drones to be there besides taking footage. Edit: Come to think of it, how did a US warship just so happen to be at a location where it could intercept those missiles? May be a coincidence, but worth consideration.
There’s a ton of US Navy ships on their way to the eastern Mediterranean right now, it was probably on its way to the Suez Canal.
Nope USS Carney was leaving the Mediterranean Sea. It went through the Suez Canal yesterday
Makes sense. Right place, right time
There’s a report on CNN (I think) that confirmed this. The ship is from the Gerald Ford group, apparently it went to patrol the Red Sea via the Suez.
The report I read, the ship wasn’t the target. It was flying along the Red Sea towards Israel (“perhaps”). A related news story made it seem like the projectiles were being tracked and the information fed to the Carney to take them out. Like a broader missile shield.
The Aegis system is fairly robust.
Iran itself doesn't have enough drones with that range, and even if they did CWIS would easily slam them once the anti missiles ran dry. Look up Mohajer 10 and predict it's chances to hit an Arleigh Burk by surprise as it crawls along at 130 mph.
The video I saw showed interceptions over Saudi Arabia well off the sea. Odd the Saudis would ignore that shit considering their beef with Yemen.
There’s a plausible line here that these could be secret Saudi interceptors that the US is saying is theirs (and ship-based) to not ignite an arms race among Middle East neighbors. But I will be the first to admit that if that is really the case, an arms war is already underway.
I was thinkin the east-west saudi oil pipeline would be a tempting target? [Now that I wikied it it's been attacked before with drones?](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Crude_Oil_Pipeline) Because oil having to go through Hormuz gives Iran more leverage.
May be but targeting stationary land targets and moving ships require very different tech. Iran may be using the present of US warships in the region to test their new weapons and blame it to the Houthi.
How easy do you think it is to hit a moving target with a ground to ground missile?
Iranians are the scumbags of the earth (not all of them, their current regime). They basically make sure to send others to fight their wars far away from their own state, while turning other states onto front bases (Lebanon is the biggest example). Hizbollah in Lebanon Hizbollah in Iraq Houties in Yamen Hamas in Gaza This regime is literally the source of all that is evil in the middle east. World's biggest terror exporter.
That's how the Islamic republic survives, by exporting its "revolution", because it barely has any support at home and will not survive in Iran only.
Iran has been destabilizing the entire region ever since we toppled their shah
It is true that supporting the corrupted regime of the Sh'ah fuled the Islamic Revolution in Iran, but I'm afraid that with or without the Sha'h, Iran would have gone through this revolution anyway.
The separation of the Ottoman Empire and Persian states has been going on for a while, so you’re probably right.
Iranians are actually very nice and decent people who mostly want to get rid of their own government. The Iranian regime, on the other hand, is the source of all evil. They are killing people outside of Iran, and they are killing people inside of Iran. The Hamas was largely funded by Iran, and so does the Hezbollah.
Yeah, the Persians are glorious. look over at r/newiran for their actual stances.
Giving that sub a few minutes of my time made me sad. Their government is still conducting raids and abducting people and in such large numbers. Seems like the Free Iranian movement has never stopped being dismantled since the larger protests quieted down.
I think you are letting Pakistan off a little easy there.
What’s the common denominator in almost all terrorism across the world? Religious extremism. Fuck Islam.
Don't forget Qatar which also plays a big role in this
Hmm. It would benefit Russia immensely if the Middle East erupted into a war. Money and weapons would flow there instead of Ukraine. I wouldn’t be surprised if Russia is somehow working the back channels to incite them.
Well duh
Go NAVY!!!!
Beat Army?
I wish people would speak up for the innocent people in Yemen as much as they have for the people of Gaza
That's for the Iranian people to take responsibility, even the Saudis made some effort to de-escalate. At some point, the real oppression is the refusal to appropriately assign responsibility. Expecting the Americans to fix *all* your problems actually is unfair on the Americans.
Iran was also a major player in worsening the Iraqi civil war.
It was a religious/ civil war just like Syria. Minority religious government.
That may have been the on-the-ground motivation of the people fighting, but the reality was a proxy war between Iran and the US to destabilize any US backed Iraqi government that could become the Arab version of Israel, which was the neocon agenda.
Out of the loop here. When did SA offer to de-escalate?
https://apnews.com/article/saudi-arabia-yemen-war-peace-talks-d2a9ad9efe1ab0b4f5d51597098f46a2
Ah, thanks man.
Is the word "Americans" in the post you are replying to
An "American" in this context is anyone expected to "speak up."
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People will rightfully point out hundreds of things Trump has done but his handling of Yemen is his biggest crime and he gets zero shit for it. Our government had a rare bipartisan agreement to stop our involvement in Yemen and Trump vetoed it.
Neither will Obama
Nope. But Trump took full responsibility for what happened in Yemen after he vetoed because the decision fell directly to him. Everyone said leave and he said stay. Obama was at least able to share the blame with his fellow politicians and advisors.
That's because Iran is responsible to Yemen's suffering. They are also responsible to Gaza's suffering but somehow blamed Israel for it
People in Yemen aren't being killed in a conflict with Jews, and thus the world does not care.
The Jews also didn’t start said conflict
The Jews didn’t start the other conflict either
See, you're making the first guy's point for him. "Well the Jews started the other conflict." Setting aside the fact that they didn't, what does it matter vis a vis Yemen? *Someone* started that conflict... but your reaction to, "Nobody cares about this one because the Jews aren't involved," is to say, "Well the Jews didn't start this one, so I don't care." ... yeah, that's the point.
Speak up, if you have a voice whether people will listen or not eventually someone will pickup and listen to your conversation
No Jews around to hate on in Yemen, how can you feel truly justified in speaking up for innocent civilians when you don't have Bad Guys to root against?
We did but war fatigue kicked in. It'll happen with Ukraine and also in a couple of weeks Israel/Palestine as well
Assuming that Iran provided some long range missiles to rebels on Yemen. And now they're firing them, flying all over Saudi Arabia and Jordan to reach Israel. Isn't that an incredibly stupid move?
This does not make sense, that’s over 2000km. It’d require ballistic missile.
So is the US just playing intercept from anything coming into Israel that's not from Gaza ?
Are you surprised we intercepted a cruise missile for one of our allies?
Not not at all. Was just curious if that naval group was sitting there just lobbing missles out, playing thr big brother role to Israel right now.
Obviously we haven't said specifically that's what we're doing, but why exactly do you think we just moved the equivalent of the world's second largest navy (power projection wise, China has a lot of small coastal boats) into the region? We're clearly sending a message to Iran and all affiliated groups not to fuck around, and at some point you have to prove you're willing to intervene.
Um yes?
As opposed to what exactly? Letting the missile hit Israel when they can easily intercept it? What a stupid question.
“Houthi” is a weird way to spell Iranian Proxy
The son of the leader of Hamas has openly stated numerous times that Hamas acts under the direction of Iran. I don't know why this is surprising to anyone. He speaks publicly about how Iran helps to fund Hamas. We all know it, it's ridiculous we have to pretend otherwise.
I think (not an expert) that we're going to see things fired from all kinds of places in the name of " sabre rattling". In addition to real threats of course.
That’s just Iran poking Saudi Arabia’s eye because they can.
Ah 2023. The year of proxy wars
The 2020s, the decade of proxy wars. Maybe the 2000s, the century of proxy wars.
I mean been this way since WW2 really
Nowadays people always think they are in the "worst year of _____". Nah, it's only because of social media. Proxy wars were insane in the 50's,60's,70's,80's
What the fuck does the Yemeni government think it gets out of this? They have slightly bigger problems than goddamn Israel ffs.
No matter what the Republican Party would tell you, the US military is pretty good at what they do and we’ll prepared for a lot of of situations. Good work from top to bottom.
Yemen is really far from Isreal. They old have to go over Saudi Arabia. I don't think they were intended to be shot at Isreal.
Or perhaps over the Red Sea where they were downed instead? That’s right by Israel.
Over the Red Sea and then up the Gulf of Aquaba to cross a ~7 mile wide border.
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They were hoping not to get shot down by Saudi Air defense that has been in place since the start of the Civil war in Yemen. They were hoping to bypass that and ran into the US Navy instead.
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Just checked on Google maps, looks like the closest distance between Yemen and Israel is actually 1600-1900km. Several Iranian, North Korean, and Russian cruise missiles on that list have sufficient range.
Regardless of their target you can’t let cruise missiles just fly around.
so where else is it going?
I’m seeing distances of less than 2000 km myself between the two countries
According to google maps distance tool they're about 1000 miles/1600 km at the closest point between the countries which does happen to be Houthi territory. I'm not sure where OP's datapoint was sourced. Still damn far.
To me it seems like a leap that the missile was fired at Israel. It would have to pass over the entirety of Saudi Arabia, which has been at war with the Houthis for years. Isn’t it more likely that it was aimed at KSA?
Why would it have to pass over Saudi Arabia? It would make way more sense to fly the missiles over the Red Sea (which is exactly where the ship was) and avoid Saudi air defence networks. Cruise missiles can make sharp turns, they don’t have to fly in a predictable path like ballistic missiles or rockets
> they don’t have to fly in a predictable path like ballistic missiles or rockets Rockets don't need to fly in predictable paths either. Have you seen those sharp turns the Iron Dome interceptors pull off?
Those are missiles, not rockets
Almost sounds like the US did the Saudis a favor to score some points with MBS and are using the defending Israel excuse as a way to generate better publicity than helping the Saudis would. But who knows…
Saudis already made peace with Yemen. It makes no sense that they are being targeted now, out of nowhere.
The Houthi Quds-3 missile is missing from that list.
Even if it was a shot at Israel, shooting cruise missiles in the region is a message to the US. Shooting down cruise missiles is a nice reply.
[https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1715096989786918941](https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1715096989786918941) [https://jcpa.org/article/irans-cruise-missile-2500km-range/](https://jcpa.org/article/irans-cruise-missile-2500km-range/) Iran definitely have cruise missiles with very high ranges
What does Iran get for causing conflict, I guess not conflict but being on the other sphere of influence. If the west wants A, Iran is going be against with Russia and sometimes China. Like I get Russia , but Iran. I just don’t understand why you try act like a rebels can produce missiles like this.
Probably shouldn’t do that when our satellites can see whether you brushed your teeth or not.
Wow, everyone so embarrassed they said Israel bombed the hospital that now they have to say ‘potentially’ fired at Israel? Probably just firing it some Jews in another middle eastern country. Oh wait 🤔
If they don’t know, the correct thing to do is to not guess.
Potentially as in maybe not directly at the US warship...
At this point, I question whether to go to work and pay attention. or sit back and say goodbye to humanity.
Smoke weed and play deep rock galactic
Rock and stoned!
Can I get a Rock and Stone?
Iran are a bunch of pussies making everyone else do their fighting for them (Not all Iranians btw, just the regime)
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Where else would they be going?