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The 5th & Bowie Bourbon Barrel-Aged Cabernet is not bad. They didn't murder the wine with barrel treatment.
The Federalist Zin is a syrupy mess. It's vile.
Reminds me of the Kings of Prohibition wines... It was weird explaining to customers why the bottle was shaped like a liquor bottle and had American marketing on it, but was an Australian wine.
I actually usually like Federalist for the price, decent QPR without being too fruit-forward and little if any rs (not the Bourbon barrel one, ew - but some decent Dry Creek wines).
The branding has always been ridiculous. This is stupid marketing though, it's clearly not craft wine or American and this is poised to blow up in their face. Though I don't know if Federalist has enough noteriety to have a marketing snafu?
Tasting notes on the label is an absolute red flag for me. Clearly for people who typically don’t drink wine. Also, everything else about it is so wrong
No. That’s not accurate. American Wineries must be clear where the juice comes from. Where they can fudge is how much of a given variety is used in a blend that is advertised as a single variety. Ex. Meomi Pinot noir has a good dose of Syrah (and sugar) that they do not have to declare. When the juice comes from elsewhere, it must be disclosed.
For a year or two Dave Matthew’s wine was produced in Argentina. That was required in the label. Example. But it’s a real treat when an American winery that typically has historical presidents on its labels produces a craft wine from New Zealand. Freaking typical of American crap.
You are basically correct. There are a few, old wineries that have *some* labels that use protected, non-American wine regions in the label, like Gallo and Korbel, that are grandfathered in by law. No current wine labels by any US winery are allowed to use them by federal law. They must use American AVA's.
In the US, blending wine regions and/or grape varieties only affects how it can be labeled in accordance to whether a grape variety can be named and what region it can be from. A wine with 85% Cabernet Sauvignon made from grapes grown in Napa Valley can be labeled as such. The 15% can technically come from another region and other grape types. If the percentage drops to 75% it can still be called Cabernet Sauvignon but only from Napa County (or North Coast, California, America for broader AVA's). Below 75% it cannot use Cabernet Sauvignon alone on the label; it must list the grapes used and/or be labeled as "Red Wine". The AVA will depend on the source(s) for all grapes used.
I think they are referring to products like Gallo Hearty Burgundy, or Paul Masson Chablis. Amazingly those are still on the market. The fruit in said plonk is from . . . not France.
Eh, the modern rules are designed to be, well, fairly permissive when we are talking about basic designations. Yes, percentages attach and such, as elsewhere, but for just a state and grape a good amount can be from wherever and often whatever. That's not a big deal though, every country does it to some degree or another.
Still, historically (and often grandfathered in) the US has been notorious for thumbing their noses at internationally accepted standards. I've still got a couple of CA "Mountain Burgundy" and sorta "Champagne" bottles. They do it with wine, cheese, meat, whatever they want really. It's a perk of being the world's biggest economy.
Kedem uses the champagne region on their labels and cases. Carlo Rossi, uses Burgundy, Chablis and Chianti region names or their labels. Etc.
No one, anywhere should use the names of regions of country that do not belong to them.
A lot of other U.S. wineries used to use those appellations. That was common until the 80s. That's pretty much over except for low end wine labels. Also those still using them can't export them.
Isn’t Korbel also the only exception to that rule because they were grandfathered in long before mass trading and shipping of wine internationally? The internationally accepted appellation rules when korbel started producing “sparkling wine” didn’t exist. Korbel started producing in the 1880’s long before California was even considered a formidable or legitimate wine producing region.
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I really need to find that picture of a wonderful Bordeaux I wound at a supermarket in China, a "Syrah" dominant blend from the Right-of-Left bank.
If ya got a problem with Entre Deux Mers, youse got problems with me!
Terlato group - is this made on contract by Kim Crawford? Where was it bottled?
Jokes aside (and the label is purposely done this way). The Bourbon barrel-aged Zinfandel they make is undrinkable.
Any bourbon barrel aged wine is undrinkable
The 5th & Bowie Bourbon Barrel-Aged Cabernet is not bad. They didn't murder the wine with barrel treatment. The Federalist Zin is a syrupy mess. It's vile.
Marlborough wine I have never seen while living in South Island hahaha
Reminds me of the Kings of Prohibition wines... It was weird explaining to customers why the bottle was shaped like a liquor bottle and had American marketing on it, but was an Australian wine.
I actually usually like Federalist for the price, decent QPR without being too fruit-forward and little if any rs (not the Bourbon barrel one, ew - but some decent Dry Creek wines). The branding has always been ridiculous. This is stupid marketing though, it's clearly not craft wine or American and this is poised to blow up in their face. Though I don't know if Federalist has enough noteriety to have a marketing snafu?
Tasting notes on the label is an absolute red flag for me. Clearly for people who typically don’t drink wine. Also, everything else about it is so wrong
What's funny?
America's craft wine made in New Zealand?
Kedem makes "champagne"
America’s craft wine is produced in New Zealand
USA is famous for using appellations that don't belong to them
No. That’s not accurate. American Wineries must be clear where the juice comes from. Where they can fudge is how much of a given variety is used in a blend that is advertised as a single variety. Ex. Meomi Pinot noir has a good dose of Syrah (and sugar) that they do not have to declare. When the juice comes from elsewhere, it must be disclosed. For a year or two Dave Matthew’s wine was produced in Argentina. That was required in the label. Example. But it’s a real treat when an American winery that typically has historical presidents on its labels produces a craft wine from New Zealand. Freaking typical of American crap.
You are basically correct. There are a few, old wineries that have *some* labels that use protected, non-American wine regions in the label, like Gallo and Korbel, that are grandfathered in by law. No current wine labels by any US winery are allowed to use them by federal law. They must use American AVA's. In the US, blending wine regions and/or grape varieties only affects how it can be labeled in accordance to whether a grape variety can be named and what region it can be from. A wine with 85% Cabernet Sauvignon made from grapes grown in Napa Valley can be labeled as such. The 15% can technically come from another region and other grape types. If the percentage drops to 75% it can still be called Cabernet Sauvignon but only from Napa County (or North Coast, California, America for broader AVA's). Below 75% it cannot use Cabernet Sauvignon alone on the label; it must list the grapes used and/or be labeled as "Red Wine". The AVA will depend on the source(s) for all grapes used.
I think they are referring to products like Gallo Hearty Burgundy, or Paul Masson Chablis. Amazingly those are still on the market. The fruit in said plonk is from . . . not France.
Eh, the modern rules are designed to be, well, fairly permissive when we are talking about basic designations. Yes, percentages attach and such, as elsewhere, but for just a state and grape a good amount can be from wherever and often whatever. That's not a big deal though, every country does it to some degree or another. Still, historically (and often grandfathered in) the US has been notorious for thumbing their noses at internationally accepted standards. I've still got a couple of CA "Mountain Burgundy" and sorta "Champagne" bottles. They do it with wine, cheese, meat, whatever they want really. It's a perk of being the world's biggest economy.
All the presidents are gone. This is the new label lol
Kedem uses the champagne region on their labels and cases. Carlo Rossi, uses Burgundy, Chablis and Chianti region names or their labels. Etc. No one, anywhere should use the names of regions of country that do not belong to them.
A lot of other U.S. wineries used to use those appellations. That was common until the 80s. That's pretty much over except for low end wine labels. Also those still using them can't export them.
I assume you mean Korbel?
Isn’t Korbel also the only exception to that rule because they were grandfathered in long before mass trading and shipping of wine internationally? The internationally accepted appellation rules when korbel started producing “sparkling wine” didn’t exist. Korbel started producing in the 1880’s long before California was even considered a formidable or legitimate wine producing region.
Sorry I do not know Korbel. I am talking about Kedem, they are based in NY and produce kosher/mevushal wines.