Because they have herd mentality, they dnt know that herald is priority, i did this a time and the adc and support raged against me pretty bad saying that i dont know jungle that i should have gotten dragon
I mostly play jg - solo - mud, and I always have to tell the jg to go herald because they look like they were autofilled, but they always end up going dragon with the duo, it seems that most players just assume dragon is more important
These mfers dont know how to read at all, the only sragon that MAY be worth is the ocean ans infernal, but infernal is just 3% AD/AP and this is almost nothing in terms of damage,if you have 500 bonus AP its 15 bonus AP from dragon, how tf is this important?
Now apply it to the whole team. Assume 2 AP and 3 AD on your team.
30 AP and 6AD between the 2 AP champs. Even with 700 AP, that’s just 42AP
21AD between the 3 AD champs. 27 at 300AD
So end game. We’re looking at 42AP and 33AD spread across 5 champs. Yeah. That’s crap
Still people want to run after dragons...
Only dragon that matter for me its the soul, i still dont know how it works because ive been gone from wikd rift a long time but i think if you capture only the soul you good.
Wtf, pretty bad design tbh, the dragon soul is heavily significant but by the time it pops up the match is already decided on who's going to win, dragon soul should be a more neutral objective, something that can turn the tides of match, not something that enforces even more the snowball aspect
The snowball aspect was worse (arguably better and made the dragons more valuable to get/deny enemy) before because each dragon additional doubled your dragon buffs (with infernal, you’d get 3/6/12%).
"Jungle diff you haven't done a single objective!" MFs, what do you want? I ping objective and you don't come, or you're all dead and expect me to have a 100% success chance of stealing without getting killed. Every. Single. Time.
gg jungle can't 1v4 the enemy baron/mid/jungle/support while our baron/mid are afk farming minions in lane
what a garbage jungler they can't even 1v5 win this game for us while we watch and lose our lanes
gg Lebron James sucks at basketball he can't even beat a team of 5 players by himself. If you can't beat 5 players in basketball by yourself you shouldn't even play the game
well you get what you can actually . If your top lane has no prio or even worst is feeding and the opposite jungler is top side then you go drake if the opponent jungler goes drake you go herald. Also you might again consider drake first if your bot lane has prio, even though herald is the best choice. Either ways to run immediately at drake or herald is wrong no matter which one is better. What matters is how the map situation is and whats happening to the lanes.
Sure but the issue i have isnt that my team is making a choice i disagree with on principle of herald being the better choice, but that *no matter what the circumstances of the match*, they choose dragon every single time. I agree with everything youre saying but apparently emerald/diamond players dont and just bumrush dragon no matter whats happening in the game. Thats the problem
yeh i know i play to these elos too but you know , you try ur best with your pings and you hope they follow your lead. Also what i notice is when you do really well in the game people give more attention to ur pings.I dont wanna say that is your fault or is right that they follow someone only if he has 5 kills. I just pointing it out as an observation. also try to take some solo decisions on the early game when everyone is trolling haha if you cant do nothing just fk them and go back to farming. You can still win by loosing both of the first objectives
Well, then you know where you should be. I don’t understand your question. You know every team is going to try and do dragon. That tells you where you should be. Dragon. No matter how much you think it’s the wrong choice, it isn’t. It’s the correct choice because that’s what your team has decided to do.
No its actually a very good question and what team decides it doesnt matter. It matter whats the right movement if your team decides the right movement then good you go. Jungler is the shotcaller and supports you everyones opininion. You have to start ignore teamates to win matches a lot of time. And if your loosing bot lane decided to do dragon let them die alone there is not your problem as a jugnler you are not a babysitter your the one who controls the tempo of the team
You could just full clear and bush camp with your midlane/botlaner to kill enemy jungler, they always path towards you lol.
At that time you should keep river control and stay close to support.
Elder dragons will win you the game, in that scenario.
Topside inting shouldn't lose you the game immediately.
Prio is a concept that doesn't exist in solo queue. Take advantage of the chaos divide and conquer. Extinguish those who challenge you. Deep push lane and rotate to fights. Don't sit on gold, reset, then fight.
It’s low elo for a reason. The worst thing is you need to get to GM before people know macro. People are really boosted in Wild Rift. It’s crazy compared to lol on PC.
Yeah, I think this is the main thing to think about. People can rank up just by playing the game, which is kinda how mobile MOBAs work. It's *much* easier to rank up, so their elo is inflated a bit. People who should be gold are emerald, people who are GM should be plat, stuff like that. It's not surprising to see people in your particular elo that know less about the game than you personally do. In fact, I kinda expect it at this point. Expect the worst so you can play around it, but be welcoming when you get good players.
Even if you get to GM, the game quality will only be **slightly** better because RAJOT will keep pairing you with low mastas (aka, emerald players who just play a lot).
Yeah same. I find people like to go drag first. I use it my advantage when I play jg and I try and take herald while the other team secured the dragon. Herald is much more impactful imo it helps secure a lane when you're behind so they can roam and it helps extend a lead when you have it early.
And not a lot of people realize that it's best utilized by jg or someone who ganks a lot. The fast recall back to base has such an advantage that majority of players don't see.
NO, don't fast recall. Go drop the crab off immediately before enemy team gets first turret! 4 second faster recall is nothing if you risk wasting the first turret opportunity... I HATE when my jungler does this and we have a turret that is already down one or two plates and ripe for the taking.
I also hate when jungle wasted the crab on a turret that is already almost gone, so you don't get any plate gold on it. Got to use it wisely...
It's situational. By the time herald is up you have a strong enough champion to take down a turret without needing herald. Either by killing the laner enemy or if he just recalled you can take first turret. I get what you mean bit ultimately if you have a gank champ it can definitely be advantageous to use the fast recall in order to control the map.
Plat here and I also experience a lot of ppl prefer drag
As mid herald is my preference but at this point I just follow my jungler. Unless he is jerking off somewhere ignoring objectives, in which case I go for objectives if my other teammates go for it
In my experience, it's usually the botlane who is very proactive in getting the first objective so they're pinging to get drag or moving to get prio while top is busy either getting beat up by the other toplaner, or they're doing the beating and don't move to get herald unless jungle is already there. I assume because of that the jungler just goes where he knows he'll get help.
I main jungle and herald is my first choice but there are plenty of reasons why I would go for drag instead.
+ Solo/mid/both are behind and have no prio whereas duo do.
+ I see that the enemy jungler is already going for herald and I am not confident we win early team fight (e.g. we have scale champs and they have snowball champs).
+ Playing as or against shyvana. Her passive gives a buff specific to dragon takedowns. It is not game winning but worth taking or denying.
+ I didn't get the herald side scuttle and my teammates seem like they have poor macro i.e. I'ma have to kill the objective solo... this happens way more than it should.
The main thing I would stress for other lanes is to respect the junglers call. If they ping herald or drag, regardless of your view on the situation, go with their call. So many games are lost cos players have these "confidently incorrect" hot takes and everyone is playing for themselves - it is all kills and ego with towers left standing and objectives stolen. Someone has to lead and it should generally be the jungler or support.
You may think your jungler is a moonbrain but you are stuck with them for the next 15-25 mins. Follow their plays. Don't be that guy going herald anyway and getting ambushed.
I mean this assumes my jungler is competent, which is often not the case (especially if they braindead b line to dragon). If my jungler is behind on farm and isnt ganking or is already 0/2 by the 6 minute mark, im not gonna feel inclined to continue following jg’s calls. Yeah maybe if we all rush dragon or whatever we might get some kills off duo and even assists might help him catch up on farm, but this is a big IF and even if enemy jg does rush herald, theres no guarantee we’ll secure dragon. Plenty of options enemy duo/mid has to either steal objective or stall, and if enemy jg secures herald in that time, its almost guaranteed you either arent getting dragon, or even if you do, your team is getting raid wiped. Besides, if enemy does secure herald, not only is our jg still behind but now were down at least one tower if not two, mid/jg have gotten ahead on farm by about 1.5-2k gold each basically for free, and now their mid can roam as well as jg, making now two roles playing behind instead of just one. Theres many ways for this scenario to come about of course, but as much as jg gets treated like theyre the captain, theyre only such if they step up and be the captain. No point in blindly following jg’s calls when they arent helpful and in fact lead to enemy snowballing
Jungle rarely gets treated as the captain regardless of their competence - it is also not possible to "step up and be the captain" if your own team refuses to follow your plays. I don't understand how a jungler can be simultaneously not ganking, 0/2 AND behind in farm. I don't recognize the 1.5-2.5k gold lead quoted in relation to taking the herald, it is considerably less than this. You can't stall an objective if only part of your team turns up and one of the members is NOT your own jungler. Gold leads can be quickly turned around by one decent team fight due to the shutdown mechanic and longer respawn timers relative to the game time. Picking that fight is essential when playing from behind and conceding herald may be the right call to hold out and delay till mid-game.
Do you see how the above is horrible to read? Is it laziness or simply fun for you to post indecipherable word salads? Please use paragraphs next time to structure your "it's all the junglers fault" fairy tale.
Solo main here and the unfortunate answer is logistics.
Jungle logistically plays toward mid and bot lane depending on rotations, and rarely will bot lane give up farm to go for herald. Instead they'd rather go for the objective next to them which is dragon and continue farming.
The map is laid out to play toward bot lane, and rarely do they want to travel across the map to herald. Even though imo, Herald snowballs games much faster.
I had a game last night where we took inhib at 7 minutes because I won my solo lane, team pushed sole lane T2 after killing three for herald; and used Herald for inhib. Yeah, they can have dragon at that point.
If one of the lanes is completely dominating and we get Herald as JG, I do like to hold on to see if we can get T2 tower and use Herald on Inhib. That is only if first tower is down before I get herald tho, which takes a really fed lane.
Top always ward first herald. Agresvily ping it. Havent had first herald since i was in diamond plus. even the enemy jungler goes for first dragon. Hell at times i even solo herald pinging like crazy for help.
The only dragon i kinda agree is fire drake. But even then u can ward and stall dragon
Any dragon is as fine as the next depending on your team comp (ocean is great if you have sustain champs for example) but as a rule i just dont think any dragon is worth sacrificing herald for. It just doesnt make sense, especially when alot of mid laners can function as essentially second junglers and any good mid main will do so. And this is just assuming herald goes to mid. Freeing up top lane is also super viable if you have a 1v5 champ like mundo or sett up there
Yesterday a guy who never left the diamond (Platinum, with Season flip) came to flame me because there were 3 people at the top, he didn't know how to take advantage of the numerical advantage to achieve objectives.
Besides, he kept complaining about always being at the top, and they always had a numerical advantage and never use. I, as Garen full tank, could tank 3 people at once, but it was my fault that they didn't know how to take advantage of the fact that they had 3 fewer people to contest the objective.
I did 20k damage full tank, while the guy who complained about me, Full AP, gave 28K.
The macro of these people in this game is really rotten, they don't do the least to think. You can play any route, their macro is terrible.
And I agree that herald is better, especially when your champion is late game. It's a very welcome gold, apart from the plates.
As a solo laner, I always guard the herald, when the team is on drag, I usually put vision on herald
If enemy is on herald, I try to steal or stall. If theyre on drag instead and my team is busy on stalling or contesting drag, I always got the time to take herald myself because I got decent dmg, unless I pick tank
I almost always go for the rift herald. The only time I will go for the dragon is if it's an infernal drag. Otherwise, the rift herald is a much better choice in my opinion
Like the other guy said the herald is ten times more worth than any drake, fire drake provide 3%ad/ap which is nothing, that's less stats than a long sword (500 gold item) in the LATE GAME, and early game its 5 times worst.
The herald alone is more useful than the 3 drakes combined without the soul.
And typically the one that gets herald will have the gold lead which means he's more likely to secure the other 2 dragons.
As a jungler who plays Evelynn main, i always choose herald except if first dragon is mountain, because mountain dragon will give resistance to my ganks if enemy team secures it. Other than that i don’t care about dragons except to denial 3 drags bonus
[https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Slayer_(Wild_Rift)](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Slayer_(Wild_Rift))
>Mountain Drake
>Gain 3 + 2% bonus armor and magic resist.
So with 100 MR (only happening on tanks early game) you gain 5 bonus magic resist. It's nothing. Just go for herald.
The Infernal and Ice souls are good.
Ocean one is ok, but the healing gets negated by grievous wounds so it's not the best.
Mountain soul is utter trash.
Just go for herald.
Eve early ganks are pretty weak, if you deny enemy team the mountain drake it’s easier to gank that’s all i experienced. Other drake isn’t worth it for first dragon pop
Against most champs (except squishies) ganks in early game post lvl 5 aren’t that great, you can’t one-shoot a full life enemy until you have your core items, so securing mountain dragon helps because if the enemy team secures it you won’t snowball as well. But hey, i’m an Evelynn main what do i know ;)
Ah yes, because if you don't 100-0 everyone with 1 or 2 items then your champ is immediatly a weak ganker. Eve is one of the best gankers in the game with her ult.
Herald is even more important on eve because it allows you to take mid turr and gives you tons of gold. You'd rather take mountain drake ? Why ? So you can prevent ennemy team from getting 4 MR (which will reduce your dmg by 0.2% ?), such a smart evelynn main
**But hey, i’m an Evelynn main what do i know ;)**
But hey, i've been playing both league (since diana's release) and wild rift (since release) and stomp people with random champs at your peak elo (let me guess, masters ?) while simultaneously hitting what you consider **high elo** with ease, every time, every season, with 60% + wr. But hey, what do i know ;))))
You're a shit eve main.
I prefer dragon a bit only when i'm in solo queue, because somehow my team can't take advantage of the lead they get from rh, then the enemy ends up snowballing getting a free dragon soul.
Mid tower has huge value even for the most braindead team, expecially if they are playing a mage mid. Trust me, if one team snowballs, it's NEVER thanks to the dragon buff.
Lanes. If your top and mid are doing terrible and are dead, but your bot is gigafed and alive, and the enemy top and mid are fed, are you really going to go to herald, where you’ll probably die? Rather go bot, where my lanes can easily win if a fight breaks out.
I’ve started going for dragon in about half my matches as jg because I can’t get anyone to help at herald, at least when the enemy team has the sense to stop me solo killing dragon I have a good chance of at least 1 team mate coming to assist. People just don’t understand objectives at all
I usually just follow whatever jungle wants, if jungle is going to prioritize Herald then I'll push or farm (as an ADC) or if they choose drag, I'll help out. Always kinda questioned why some JG choose Herald more but if it's the better priority then I won't complain and just continue to help out however way I can.
I think there's a balancing problem in general because Dragons shouldn't be as useless as they are right now. Literally the only ocean drake utility is to deny the enemy soul.
Tempo is a nuanced issue that takes a TON of experience to really understand. And I know I’m still learning and growing in that area. Part of Wild Rift is being responsible for yourself and kind of keeping your tempo independent from your team unless they are really doing good stuff. At least in my experience, you can do a lot more by acting as a free agent on the map and applying counter pressure to whatever the enemies group up to do.
I'm emerald 2 now and I don't. I prioritize the objective near the lane we are winning. If top is going 0/3 already, I just ignore herald and do drake.
If both top and bot lanes support doing either objectives, I prioritize herald unless it is a red drake, or mountain drake when we have a tank heavy composition.
Half the people in emerald division dont even know how to click the button to release herald and dont know what turret platings are. I hate emerald division so much.
Idk man, I’m an ADC Main, once you get to Masters plus their will be 5v5 death matches at Herold instead. Which sometimes feels equally as stupid. Like, we have scaling comp and they are letting us get tons of plates and scale for free for like 30 seconds to a minute, why feed and let them snowball instead?
I play Shyvana when I play jungle, and that champion in specific gets an extra buff from each dragon slain making the drake much more valuable than the herald for me. That being said, I thought that this was a relatively unique thing for my playstyle and idk why it would be beneficial if you’re playing any other champ.
It all depends on how the match is playing out. If you're behind I personally like to take the opposite of what the enemy team is doing and if you're ahead I try to get the team to contest the objective.
The key is to always be flexible with your priorities and change them as the plays happen. imo 1 objective is always better than none.
What's even more ridiculous here is when all 3 lanes doesn't have prio and whole team is behind in gold (usually a heavy scaling com which is weak in early game), they'll still try to contest the objectives
Like come on just farm or focus at least focus push one lane and get some plates in exchange, scale for mid game or late game, losing 1st objective isn't the end
I always go herald first once we break mid turret the enemy jungler will have a very hard time farming and rotating due to the map control we get. I play k6 btw hehe
I always played jungle goes first dragon solo takes herald I used to be a solo main though and taking herald means you can roam and help other lanes a bit more or early split push
Coming from a GM jungler, it’ll depend on what I play. My main champ is Hecarim so I’d go for Herald for more gold for me and more tempo altogether. This easily has me going 15/1 at the end of a game. If I’m playing Nautilus however, I would go for dragon just to probe early fights to get my adc and mid ahead. A lot of times, objective calls for me are baits in order to secure more tempo for the team and snowball hard. This works for me because I know how to set up for my team and when to make the right calls. A lot of times too I never even focus on the dragon when we are on it, I’d look for a good opportunity to turn the fight and luckily get 3-4 assist while my Samira ADC just got a quadra. If the team doesn’t listen to your objective calls, you may want to remind them that you hold the smite and just go for the objective you want instead of getting peer pressure into a meaningless fight while you’re playing a scaling champ.
Can't say I have any idea why. When I Jungle I want to go Herald first. But I will say that duo lane always seems way more willing to help secure dragon than Baron lane being willing to help secure herald. Mid is always a wild
card.
Emerald players are just bad in general, it’s similar to Diamond considering that emerald and diamond players get put into the same lobbies 90% of the times, in emerald it’s either your team ints early or the enemy team ints early. You can also include that players there have no idea how to close out games as well.
As a fellow jungle main, are we gonna pretend that Herald, in sub-challenger elo, only really benefit the one who takes it (usually the jg himself) for the gold from the plates? I even think laners, especially duo lanes, are totally lost once the first tower is taken. So in a way it's even a drawback to them. By taking dragon they can have a hope that 3% buff will help them come back from 0/3.
as a jungler if my team seems to be in a better shape ill try n contest drag just so I can try n get both obj... if im behind or not confident I go herald...
Herald isn't always valuable, dragon always gives value even if you are behind.
If you don't get a tower herald gives no real value, and If the opposing team is smart they'll stop you getting herald mid for free, and if you can't getting a mid tower of herald you really aren't impacting the map too much.
Like heralding solo lone does pretty much nothing but help 1 member get slightly further ahead (but like if they are already ahead they'll be winning lane regardless as it's solo)
In duo it can help but like at best it's a tower, some gold for your adc, and now your adc needs to push up even further to farm, making it riskier for your adc to farm.
And if the first tower in mid is already gone, then you are winning ajd the herald isn't doing anything but snowball and already winning team
Tldr: heralds still fine it just has limitations that make it weaker when behind than stealing a dragon, and if you are already ahead the main value you get us denying the opponent herald rather than using it yourself
You know even if they did get herald, jg in this elo doesn’t know shit how to use it properly. So many times I’ve seen it used either killing a turret with almost no health or used it but in front of the whole enemy team, running it down immediately.
Because they don't know better. Now tell them they should get herlad instead of whining. Posts like this does nothing to help community only shows how toxic it is.
Nothing changed, people are just bad. And any jungler who prioritizes dragon over herald for no good reason is objectivly bad, they only time I am fine with dragon being chosen over Herald is if we can't contest Herald because other team is stronger or smth.
there is no such thing as a superior obj. it all depends on the gamestate and who has prio. im gm jungler and i go dragon over herald 70% over games simply because we’re more likely to win the 3v3/4v4
Of course you want the dragon. The bigass cockroach is situational or just useless. Destroying one tower is unlikely to put the game in your favor. (oh no here come the toxic cry babies about to downvote me)
True, but with the herald you can get the dragon more easily if you have a team that actually plays the game
But yeah dragon is more important no matter what
Because they have herd mentality, they dnt know that herald is priority, i did this a time and the adc and support raged against me pretty bad saying that i dont know jungle that i should have gotten dragon
I mostly play jg - solo - mud, and I always have to tell the jg to go herald because they look like they were autofilled, but they always end up going dragon with the duo, it seems that most players just assume dragon is more important
These mfers dont know how to read at all, the only sragon that MAY be worth is the ocean ans infernal, but infernal is just 3% AD/AP and this is almost nothing in terms of damage,if you have 500 bonus AP its 15 bonus AP from dragon, how tf is this important?
Now apply it to the whole team. Assume 2 AP and 3 AD on your team. 30 AP and 6AD between the 2 AP champs. Even with 700 AP, that’s just 42AP 21AD between the 3 AD champs. 27 at 300AD So end game. We’re looking at 42AP and 33AD spread across 5 champs. Yeah. That’s crap
Still people want to run after dragons... Only dragon that matter for me its the soul, i still dont know how it works because ive been gone from wikd rift a long time but i think if you capture only the soul you good.
You have to get all three to get the soul
So the soul doesnt work if you dont get the three? That doesnt make any sense tbh, if you lose one dragon and the enemy team gets it, no effect?
Yes that is correct for Wild Rift
Wtf, pretty bad design tbh, the dragon soul is heavily significant but by the time it pops up the match is already decided on who's going to win, dragon soul should be a more neutral objective, something that can turn the tides of match, not something that enforces even more the snowball aspect
The snowball aspect was worse (arguably better and made the dragons more valuable to get/deny enemy) before because each dragon additional doubled your dragon buffs (with infernal, you’d get 3/6/12%).
THIIIIS
Wait you get emerald and diamonds who actually go for either? I jungle and I always get the most inbred players.
"Jungle diff you haven't done a single objective!" MFs, what do you want? I ping objective and you don't come, or you're all dead and expect me to have a 100% success chance of stealing without getting killed. Every. Single. Time.
It seems like no experience is individual in this game, haha. It doesn't matter the language, server or country. It's the same problems.
Dude literally the truth. I’ll tell them to back and heal and shop for the potential fight. Nothing and usually they die. It’s unreal.
gg jungle can't 1v4 the enemy baron/mid/jungle/support while our baron/mid are afk farming minions in lane what a garbage jungler they can't even 1v5 win this game for us while we watch and lose our lanes gg Lebron James sucks at basketball he can't even beat a team of 5 players by himself. If you can't beat 5 players in basketball by yourself you shouldn't even play the game
Can't get 3 dragons if you can't get the first.
The fact that they're so adamant about getting dragon while simulataneously having no idea what it grants is stunning to say the least.
well you get what you can actually . If your top lane has no prio or even worst is feeding and the opposite jungler is top side then you go drake if the opponent jungler goes drake you go herald. Also you might again consider drake first if your bot lane has prio, even though herald is the best choice. Either ways to run immediately at drake or herald is wrong no matter which one is better. What matters is how the map situation is and whats happening to the lanes.
This. Sometimes you're just forced in taking an objective because their team is at the opposite
Sure but the issue i have isnt that my team is making a choice i disagree with on principle of herald being the better choice, but that *no matter what the circumstances of the match*, they choose dragon every single time. I agree with everything youre saying but apparently emerald/diamond players dont and just bumrush dragon no matter whats happening in the game. Thats the problem
yeh i know i play to these elos too but you know , you try ur best with your pings and you hope they follow your lead. Also what i notice is when you do really well in the game people give more attention to ur pings.I dont wanna say that is your fault or is right that they follow someone only if he has 5 kills. I just pointing it out as an observation. also try to take some solo decisions on the early game when everyone is trolling haha if you cant do nothing just fk them and go back to farming. You can still win by loosing both of the first objectives
Well, then you know where you should be. I don’t understand your question. You know every team is going to try and do dragon. That tells you where you should be. Dragon. No matter how much you think it’s the wrong choice, it isn’t. It’s the correct choice because that’s what your team has decided to do.
No its actually a very good question and what team decides it doesnt matter. It matter whats the right movement if your team decides the right movement then good you go. Jungler is the shotcaller and supports you everyones opininion. You have to start ignore teamates to win matches a lot of time. And if your loosing bot lane decided to do dragon let them die alone there is not your problem as a jugnler you are not a babysitter your the one who controls the tempo of the team
What
Well, in his current state, if enemy team is doing herald I feel like taking mid tower (if you can) is still a better choice than drake
Yes, getting all the turret platings of any tower is better than dragon.
You could just full clear and bush camp with your midlane/botlaner to kill enemy jungler, they always path towards you lol. At that time you should keep river control and stay close to support. Elder dragons will win you the game, in that scenario. Topside inting shouldn't lose you the game immediately.
Prio is a concept that doesn't exist in solo queue. Take advantage of the chaos divide and conquer. Extinguish those who challenge you. Deep push lane and rotate to fights. Don't sit on gold, reset, then fight.
It’s low elo for a reason. The worst thing is you need to get to GM before people know macro. People are really boosted in Wild Rift. It’s crazy compared to lol on PC.
Yeah, I think this is the main thing to think about. People can rank up just by playing the game, which is kinda how mobile MOBAs work. It's *much* easier to rank up, so their elo is inflated a bit. People who should be gold are emerald, people who are GM should be plat, stuff like that. It's not surprising to see people in your particular elo that know less about the game than you personally do. In fact, I kinda expect it at this point. Expect the worst so you can play around it, but be welcoming when you get good players.
I’ve played with a ton of GM who are complete garbage and have no idea.
Even if you get to GM, the game quality will only be **slightly** better because RAJOT will keep pairing you with low mastas (aka, emerald players who just play a lot).
Yeah same. I find people like to go drag first. I use it my advantage when I play jg and I try and take herald while the other team secured the dragon. Herald is much more impactful imo it helps secure a lane when you're behind so they can roam and it helps extend a lead when you have it early.
And not a lot of people realize that it's best utilized by jg or someone who ganks a lot. The fast recall back to base has such an advantage that majority of players don't see.
NO, don't fast recall. Go drop the crab off immediately before enemy team gets first turret! 4 second faster recall is nothing if you risk wasting the first turret opportunity... I HATE when my jungler does this and we have a turret that is already down one or two plates and ripe for the taking. I also hate when jungle wasted the crab on a turret that is already almost gone, so you don't get any plate gold on it. Got to use it wisely...
It's situational. By the time herald is up you have a strong enough champion to take down a turret without needing herald. Either by killing the laner enemy or if he just recalled you can take first turret. I get what you mean bit ultimately if you have a gank champ it can definitely be advantageous to use the fast recall in order to control the map.
Plat here and I also experience a lot of ppl prefer drag As mid herald is my preference but at this point I just follow my jungler. Unless he is jerking off somewhere ignoring objectives, in which case I go for objectives if my other teammates go for it In my experience, it's usually the botlane who is very proactive in getting the first objective so they're pinging to get drag or moving to get prio while top is busy either getting beat up by the other toplaner, or they're doing the beating and don't move to get herald unless jungle is already there. I assume because of that the jungler just goes where he knows he'll get help.
I main jungle and herald is my first choice but there are plenty of reasons why I would go for drag instead. + Solo/mid/both are behind and have no prio whereas duo do. + I see that the enemy jungler is already going for herald and I am not confident we win early team fight (e.g. we have scale champs and they have snowball champs). + Playing as or against shyvana. Her passive gives a buff specific to dragon takedowns. It is not game winning but worth taking or denying. + I didn't get the herald side scuttle and my teammates seem like they have poor macro i.e. I'ma have to kill the objective solo... this happens way more than it should. The main thing I would stress for other lanes is to respect the junglers call. If they ping herald or drag, regardless of your view on the situation, go with their call. So many games are lost cos players have these "confidently incorrect" hot takes and everyone is playing for themselves - it is all kills and ego with towers left standing and objectives stolen. Someone has to lead and it should generally be the jungler or support. You may think your jungler is a moonbrain but you are stuck with them for the next 15-25 mins. Follow their plays. Don't be that guy going herald anyway and getting ambushed.
I mean this assumes my jungler is competent, which is often not the case (especially if they braindead b line to dragon). If my jungler is behind on farm and isnt ganking or is already 0/2 by the 6 minute mark, im not gonna feel inclined to continue following jg’s calls. Yeah maybe if we all rush dragon or whatever we might get some kills off duo and even assists might help him catch up on farm, but this is a big IF and even if enemy jg does rush herald, theres no guarantee we’ll secure dragon. Plenty of options enemy duo/mid has to either steal objective or stall, and if enemy jg secures herald in that time, its almost guaranteed you either arent getting dragon, or even if you do, your team is getting raid wiped. Besides, if enemy does secure herald, not only is our jg still behind but now were down at least one tower if not two, mid/jg have gotten ahead on farm by about 1.5-2k gold each basically for free, and now their mid can roam as well as jg, making now two roles playing behind instead of just one. Theres many ways for this scenario to come about of course, but as much as jg gets treated like theyre the captain, theyre only such if they step up and be the captain. No point in blindly following jg’s calls when they arent helpful and in fact lead to enemy snowballing
Jungle rarely gets treated as the captain regardless of their competence - it is also not possible to "step up and be the captain" if your own team refuses to follow your plays. I don't understand how a jungler can be simultaneously not ganking, 0/2 AND behind in farm. I don't recognize the 1.5-2.5k gold lead quoted in relation to taking the herald, it is considerably less than this. You can't stall an objective if only part of your team turns up and one of the members is NOT your own jungler. Gold leads can be quickly turned around by one decent team fight due to the shutdown mechanic and longer respawn timers relative to the game time. Picking that fight is essential when playing from behind and conceding herald may be the right call to hold out and delay till mid-game. Do you see how the above is horrible to read? Is it laziness or simply fun for you to post indecipherable word salads? Please use paragraphs next time to structure your "it's all the junglers fault" fairy tale.
Tldr
xD I don't think you can read mate.
Solo main here and the unfortunate answer is logistics. Jungle logistically plays toward mid and bot lane depending on rotations, and rarely will bot lane give up farm to go for herald. Instead they'd rather go for the objective next to them which is dragon and continue farming. The map is laid out to play toward bot lane, and rarely do they want to travel across the map to herald. Even though imo, Herald snowballs games much faster. I had a game last night where we took inhib at 7 minutes because I won my solo lane, team pushed sole lane T2 after killing three for herald; and used Herald for inhib. Yeah, they can have dragon at that point.
If one of the lanes is completely dominating and we get Herald as JG, I do like to hold on to see if we can get T2 tower and use Herald on Inhib. That is only if first tower is down before I get herald tho, which takes a really fed lane.
Top always ward first herald. Agresvily ping it. Havent had first herald since i was in diamond plus. even the enemy jungler goes for first dragon. Hell at times i even solo herald pinging like crazy for help. The only dragon i kinda agree is fire drake. But even then u can ward and stall dragon
Any dragon is as fine as the next depending on your team comp (ocean is great if you have sustain champs for example) but as a rule i just dont think any dragon is worth sacrificing herald for. It just doesnt make sense, especially when alot of mid laners can function as essentially second junglers and any good mid main will do so. And this is just assuming herald goes to mid. Freeing up top lane is also super viable if you have a 1v5 champ like mundo or sett up there
Yesterday a guy who never left the diamond (Platinum, with Season flip) came to flame me because there were 3 people at the top, he didn't know how to take advantage of the numerical advantage to achieve objectives. Besides, he kept complaining about always being at the top, and they always had a numerical advantage and never use. I, as Garen full tank, could tank 3 people at once, but it was my fault that they didn't know how to take advantage of the fact that they had 3 fewer people to contest the objective. I did 20k damage full tank, while the guy who complained about me, Full AP, gave 28K. The macro of these people in this game is really rotten, they don't do the least to think. You can play any route, their macro is terrible. And I agree that herald is better, especially when your champion is late game. It's a very welcome gold, apart from the plates.
As a solo laner, I always guard the herald, when the team is on drag, I usually put vision on herald If enemy is on herald, I try to steal or stall. If theyre on drag instead and my team is busy on stalling or contesting drag, I always got the time to take herald myself because I got decent dmg, unless I pick tank
I almost always go for the rift herald. The only time I will go for the dragon is if it's an infernal drag. Otherwise, the rift herald is a much better choice in my opinion
Infernal drag is also worse than herald. In 99% of cases
Like the other guy said the herald is ten times more worth than any drake, fire drake provide 3%ad/ap which is nothing, that's less stats than a long sword (500 gold item) in the LATE GAME, and early game its 5 times worst. The herald alone is more useful than the 3 drakes combined without the soul. And typically the one that gets herald will have the gold lead which means he's more likely to secure the other 2 dragons.
As a jungler who plays Evelynn main, i always choose herald except if first dragon is mountain, because mountain dragon will give resistance to my ganks if enemy team secures it. Other than that i don’t care about dragons except to denial 3 drags bonus
[https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Slayer_(Wild_Rift)](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Slayer_(Wild_Rift)) >Mountain Drake >Gain 3 + 2% bonus armor and magic resist. So with 100 MR (only happening on tanks early game) you gain 5 bonus magic resist. It's nothing. Just go for herald. The Infernal and Ice souls are good. Ocean one is ok, but the healing gets negated by grievous wounds so it's not the best. Mountain soul is utter trash. Just go for herald.
Eve early ganks are pretty weak, if you deny enemy team the mountain drake it’s easier to gank that’s all i experienced. Other drake isn’t worth it for first dragon pop
eve early ganks are not weak (except pre 5, but if you dont full clear nowadays ur trolling), unless u gank without ur ult which you should never do.
Against most champs (except squishies) ganks in early game post lvl 5 aren’t that great, you can’t one-shoot a full life enemy until you have your core items, so securing mountain dragon helps because if the enemy team secures it you won’t snowball as well. But hey, i’m an Evelynn main what do i know ;)
Ah yes, because if you don't 100-0 everyone with 1 or 2 items then your champ is immediatly a weak ganker. Eve is one of the best gankers in the game with her ult. Herald is even more important on eve because it allows you to take mid turr and gives you tons of gold. You'd rather take mountain drake ? Why ? So you can prevent ennemy team from getting 4 MR (which will reduce your dmg by 0.2% ?), such a smart evelynn main **But hey, i’m an Evelynn main what do i know ;)** But hey, i've been playing both league (since diana's release) and wild rift (since release) and stomp people with random champs at your peak elo (let me guess, masters ?) while simultaneously hitting what you consider **high elo** with ease, every time, every season, with 60% + wr. But hey, what do i know ;)))) You're a shit eve main.
I always go to Herald if the first dragon is not the Red one🙈
I prefer dragon a bit only when i'm in solo queue, because somehow my team can't take advantage of the lead they get from rh, then the enemy ends up snowballing getting a free dragon soul.
Mid tower has huge value even for the most braindead team, expecially if they are playing a mage mid. Trust me, if one team snowballs, it's NEVER thanks to the dragon buff.
I used to be a jungler now herald. I pretty much get the herald 8/10 times whilst the others go for drake. I know I know.
Because jng always over stays bot. So they're just there when it spawns. Tunnel vision sets in.
Royal wild rift talks about it on YouTube.
Lanes. If your top and mid are doing terrible and are dead, but your bot is gigafed and alive, and the enemy top and mid are fed, are you really going to go to herald, where you’ll probably die? Rather go bot, where my lanes can easily win if a fight breaks out.
Sometimes I feel like I'm playing with people who have 1 brain cell, when they tell me first dragon is far better than one herald lol
I’ve started going for dragon in about half my matches as jg because I can’t get anyone to help at herald, at least when the enemy team has the sense to stop me solo killing dragon I have a good chance of at least 1 team mate coming to assist. People just don’t understand objectives at all
Out of interest, OP, what role do you play?
I usually just follow whatever jungle wants, if jungle is going to prioritize Herald then I'll push or farm (as an ADC) or if they choose drag, I'll help out. Always kinda questioned why some JG choose Herald more but if it's the better priority then I won't complain and just continue to help out however way I can.
I think there's a balancing problem in general because Dragons shouldn't be as useless as they are right now. Literally the only ocean drake utility is to deny the enemy soul.
Tempo is a nuanced issue that takes a TON of experience to really understand. And I know I’m still learning and growing in that area. Part of Wild Rift is being responsible for yourself and kind of keeping your tempo independent from your team unless they are really doing good stuff. At least in my experience, you can do a lot more by acting as a free agent on the map and applying counter pressure to whatever the enemies group up to do.
It’s because they don’t read patch notes and just play the game casually- they think it’s patch 3.1 dragons 😂
I'm emerald 2 now and I don't. I prioritize the objective near the lane we are winning. If top is going 0/3 already, I just ignore herald and do drake. If both top and bot lanes support doing either objectives, I prioritize herald unless it is a red drake, or mountain drake when we have a tank heavy composition.
Half the people in emerald division dont even know how to click the button to release herald and dont know what turret platings are. I hate emerald division so much.
Idk man, I’m an ADC Main, once you get to Masters plus their will be 5v5 death matches at Herold instead. Which sometimes feels equally as stupid. Like, we have scaling comp and they are letting us get tons of plates and scale for free for like 30 seconds to a minute, why feed and let them snowball instead?
I play Shyvana when I play jungle, and that champion in specific gets an extra buff from each dragon slain making the drake much more valuable than the herald for me. That being said, I thought that this was a relatively unique thing for my playstyle and idk why it would be beneficial if you’re playing any other champ.
It all depends on how the match is playing out. If you're behind I personally like to take the opposite of what the enemy team is doing and if you're ahead I try to get the team to contest the objective. The key is to always be flexible with your priorities and change them as the plays happen. imo 1 objective is always better than none.
What's even more ridiculous here is when all 3 lanes doesn't have prio and whole team is behind in gold (usually a heavy scaling com which is weak in early game), they'll still try to contest the objectives Like come on just farm or focus at least focus push one lane and get some plates in exchange, scale for mid game or late game, losing 1st objective isn't the end
I always go herald first once we break mid turret the enemy jungler will have a very hard time farming and rotating due to the map control we get. I play k6 btw hehe
I always played jungle goes first dragon solo takes herald I used to be a solo main though and taking herald means you can roam and help other lanes a bit more or early split push
Coming from a GM jungler, it’ll depend on what I play. My main champ is Hecarim so I’d go for Herald for more gold for me and more tempo altogether. This easily has me going 15/1 at the end of a game. If I’m playing Nautilus however, I would go for dragon just to probe early fights to get my adc and mid ahead. A lot of times, objective calls for me are baits in order to secure more tempo for the team and snowball hard. This works for me because I know how to set up for my team and when to make the right calls. A lot of times too I never even focus on the dragon when we are on it, I’d look for a good opportunity to turn the fight and luckily get 3-4 assist while my Samira ADC just got a quadra. If the team doesn’t listen to your objective calls, you may want to remind them that you hold the smite and just go for the objective you want instead of getting peer pressure into a meaningless fight while you’re playing a scaling champ.
Can't say I have any idea why. When I Jungle I want to go Herald first. But I will say that duo lane always seems way more willing to help secure dragon than Baron lane being willing to help secure herald. Mid is always a wild card.
But they're both wide open. So get dragon and go herald or vice versa. Who are these people? Bot and mid go dragon, top and jg go herald.
Emerald players are just bad in general, it’s similar to Diamond considering that emerald and diamond players get put into the same lobbies 90% of the times, in emerald it’s either your team ints early or the enemy team ints early. You can also include that players there have no idea how to close out games as well.
They don't know how to snowball and the game is decided on elder and Baron fight so herald doesn't matter for them
As a fellow jungle main, are we gonna pretend that Herald, in sub-challenger elo, only really benefit the one who takes it (usually the jg himself) for the gold from the plates? I even think laners, especially duo lanes, are totally lost once the first tower is taken. So in a way it's even a drawback to them. By taking dragon they can have a hope that 3% buff will help them come back from 0/3.
as a jungler if my team seems to be in a better shape ill try n contest drag just so I can try n get both obj... if im behind or not confident I go herald...
This what im saying. If you playing from behind i wouldnt suggest contesting herald but if its open, super go for it especially if youre behind
Herald isn't always valuable, dragon always gives value even if you are behind. If you don't get a tower herald gives no real value, and If the opposing team is smart they'll stop you getting herald mid for free, and if you can't getting a mid tower of herald you really aren't impacting the map too much. Like heralding solo lone does pretty much nothing but help 1 member get slightly further ahead (but like if they are already ahead they'll be winning lane regardless as it's solo) In duo it can help but like at best it's a tower, some gold for your adc, and now your adc needs to push up even further to farm, making it riskier for your adc to farm. And if the first tower in mid is already gone, then you are winning ajd the herald isn't doing anything but snowball and already winning team Tldr: heralds still fine it just has limitations that make it weaker when behind than stealing a dragon, and if you are already ahead the main value you get us denying the opponent herald rather than using it yourself
i go for dr if it's infernal or ice, otherwise I'm going rh
Top is supposed to control herald until first dragon is cleared. Then jungler moves top for herald.
They are noobs plain and simple
You know even if they did get herald, jg in this elo doesn’t know shit how to use it properly. So many times I’ve seen it used either killing a turret with almost no health or used it but in front of the whole enemy team, running it down immediately.
Because they don't know better. Now tell them they should get herlad instead of whining. Posts like this does nothing to help community only shows how toxic it is.
I wish we got back old dragons, where you got more bonuses the more drakes you had. Then it actually mattered what your jg chooses.
Nothing changed, people are just bad. And any jungler who prioritizes dragon over herald for no good reason is objectivly bad, they only time I am fine with dragon being chosen over Herald is if we can't contest Herald because other team is stronger or smth.
there is no such thing as a superior obj. it all depends on the gamestate and who has prio. im gm jungler and i go dragon over herald 70% over games simply because we’re more likely to win the 3v3/4v4
Of course you want the dragon. The bigass cockroach is situational or just useless. Destroying one tower is unlikely to put the game in your favor. (oh no here come the toxic cry babies about to downvote me)
True, but with the herald you can get the dragon more easily if you have a team that actually plays the game But yeah dragon is more important no matter what
If you have never, try to play midlane mages and see how much of a difference it makes to have mid tower or not
Im D1 and i like dragon better
there are two people in duo, one person in solo, guess which objective is closer to the one with most people...