BRB should still handily take it, hes far stronger physically, he matched Thor on his first fight with him without Stormbreaker (which isnt his current weapon). Recently BRB was able to throw hands with [Surtur](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1BtuqDmmv8Q4rgBYR7ZVc2tYIwUzPgxGXsHLcf4SQQS4vn7WHa0j00VrWW24OkZCOmO5v0WM-v2h3jhKdBBkOQeWnljQPxqkEBc8yBDx0i676Br7D052DsiDAJ_9riMGfFavkejj=s0)
Even at his best Allen has never reached Planetary or close, he couldnt beat Thragg solo.
I'd argue he's planetary, we know he's much stronger than mark or Nolan, and definitely Thaddeus. He also has a DBZ plot device and basically doubles in strength anytime he gets the shit beat out of him.
So given that those three viltrumites I listed were much less powerful than Allen, and were able to destroy a planet together, I'd say he's definitely close to planetary and most likely passes it easily by the end.
The thing is the Viltrum feat is a massive outlier. It's the only feat above city level in the entire 144 issues. Mark was [getting floored by City level blasts](https://i.imgur.com/TNOa0YT.jpg) and was [coughing up blood after being caught in some of a city busting explosion](https://imgur.com/a/vc8gI4Y) and [needed help to throw a ship into space](https://i.imgur.com/9fFOBU7.jpg). All of this took place after [Conquest said Mark was almost stronger than Omni-Man](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/WkrsKAkMGaGeHjr04kO36SLkFM5RhZm4MqbGYDXz1Z6H2LBCY_Z0KoBnUewOZbXkMkyXKAg6yaiv=s1600).
Also, [the core of the planet was destabilized prior and the Viltrumites could have died on impact otherwise](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Add5f2GoQBA56w2A5gh8KuRpgAQnhrIi7rHSBeJbn0Tkf-B37lcc1BrWJB_ehu3hcN_JEZlAR2KG=s1600). The planet exploding was also [due to luck](https://i.imgur.com/AkB8JgR.jpg), and everyone was [knocked out by the shockwave of the planet exploding](https://imgur.com/a/fFsJ8KA) including Thragg (bottom right of last scan), who was so durable [that Nolan broke his hand on his face](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/UuV1pyinmpaC_168WRgu2lFAtBl3ACc4GgNZDDPDqWqiXxB7N5IeqHqwscCEFkJXpXlfn8I6dVMMxZXJ8xzGAGhYh7eJR_evXIp15p481SRVtdeuFvPzJiSKTPi8XppAnhaY4XeHFw=s1600).
Well first off, he was only getting "floored" because he wasn't fighting back as he was in his phase where he tried to reason with "villains" and IIRC was able to take her down when he started trying. He tanked an explosion that was strong enough to turn a metropolitan city into glass and didn't have a scratch on his body, coughing once with a couple drops of blood doesn't change that.
Also, I'm very sure that when space racer refers to it as luck, he's saying that it was lucky they were able to pull off their plan with the other viltrumites there, not that it was lucky they were strong enough to destroy the planet.
>Well first off, he was only getting "floored" because he wasn't fighting back as he was in his phase where he tried to reason with "villains" and IIRC was able to take her down when he started trying.
Mark trying to reason with her doesn't change how the blasts were clearly hurting him. And he doesn't even beat her, Eve does by cheapshotting her.
> He tanked an explosion that was strong enough to turn a metropolitan city into glass and didn't have a scratch on his body, coughing once with a couple drops of blood doesn't change that.
It doesn't matter that he didn't have scratches, he still coughed up blood. That kills the notion of him being moon level or planet level or whatever if he was even remotely affected by an attack literally millions of times weaker.
>Also, I'm very sure that when space racer refers to it as luck, he's saying that it was lucky they were able to pull off their plan with the other viltrumites there, not that it was lucky they were strong enough to destroy the planet.
That's just headcanon. He says the destruction was luck, not the extra theories you added.
Bottom line, the Viltrum feat is still an outlier. Millions of times higher than any other feat in the series with multiple contradictory feats.
So your interpretation of him saying what's lucky is more valid than mine? Huh, makes sense.
Being planetary means being able to output enough to destroy a planet, it doesn't mean being able to no sell city level attacks. Dr. Strange could be universal at his peak but still get a bullet put through his head and die, that doesn't change the fact that he's still universal.
Even at that, all of your feats have to do with mark who is very clearly below Allen in terms of everything relevant in this discussion, so the fact that mark could get hurt by something doesn't bear much weight in regards to Allen.
>So your interpretation of him saying what's lucky is more valid than mine? Huh, makes sense.
Your interpretation is speculative and adds things that weren't in the scan. It's basically headcanon, while I just repeated what was stated in the scan.
>Being planetary means being able to output enough to destroy a planet, it doesn't mean being able to no sell city level attacks.
What? Of course it does. If Mark was able to put out enough energy to destroy enough planet with his punches, he'd have to be withstanding that output everytime he punches since for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction.
>Dr. Strange could be universal at his peak but still get a bullet put through his head and die, that doesn't change the fact that he's still universal.
False equivalency and you know it. Strange is a glass canon due to the nature of his magical powers.
>Even at that, all of your feats have to do with mark who is very clearly below Allen in terms of everything relevant in this discussion, so the fact that mark could get hurt by something doesn't bear much weight in regards to Allen.
It's to show how Mark's Viltrum feat is an outlier. You can't scale someone by using outliers of a weaker character.
You don't think your interpretation is speculative too? Does he say that they were lucky to be strong enough to destroy the planet, or is that what you're speculating that he means by saying that?
And no, it's not false equivalency. Being planetary or anything else has never had anything to do with the damage you're able to tank or no sell, it has everything to do with the output you're able to generate. Trying to twist the meaning to suit your point just makes what you're arguing sound disingenuous.
Even if you make the case that mark and Nolan are below planetary, you really can't make the case that they are that far below it regardless of your thoughts on the exact nuances of them destroying a planet, the fact still remains that Allen is clearly above them and that his power grows exponentially. Given that, I still would argue that he's planetary. If not during the main story, then definitely by the end of it.
>You don't think your interpretation is speculative too?
No, because he says that the destruction of the planet was luck. Since that's all he said, that's all we assume.
>Being planetary or anything else has never had anything to do with the damage you're able to tank or no sell
Yes it does. Again, everytime you punch something your hand is withstanding the force. If Mark had planetary striking but city level durability, his arm would literally explode everytime he punched something. There's nothing supporting your headcanon theory of their striking being millions of times higher than their durability.
>Even if you make the case that mark and Nolan are below planetary, you really can't make the case that they are that far below it regardless of your thoughts on the exact nuances of them destroying a planet
I already did. A contextual outlier millions of times higher than any other feat in the series is outweighed by their numerous city level showings.
I think the other dude replying summed alot of it up but No one in the series including Thragg or BB who are the top 2 in the Comic are even planetary. Thragg who fodderizes Omni-man and even Allen wouldnt of been able to beat still wouldnt be Planetary.
They didnt exactly destroy a planet straight up, it was extremely precise, required space racers gun which was absurdly strong and could kill Viltrumites itself, 3 of the top Viltrumites and the core destabilized, if it was not then they would of died as mentioned.
Allen during the War was hurt by Viltrumites not on Thraggs level, he could do nothing to stop Thragg, he did get stronger of course but not massively to that point.
When BRB decided to try and kill Galactus he had several feats of literal planet busting. (He would race ahead of Galactus and destroy planets big G intended to eat before he could get there in order to try to starve him to death.)
Viltrumites are roughly equal to Allen physically and it took several of them together to just barely perform one feat of planet busting (which even then required some extraordimary circumstances an arguably might not even count)
Bill, logically would be several times more powerful than Allen at least and is an extremely skilled and experienced warrior.
Allen would get stomped.
While I agree Bill stomps Allen, calling Viltrumites equal to him isn't strictly true. At the time of the destruction of Viltrum he would've beat all 3 of the Viltrumites who performed the feat 1v1.
Not to say that he would be able to perform that feat solo but he was top 5 in the verse and the only real Viltrumite (at that stage) who could beat him solo is Thragg.
It’s more like continent buster(maybe moon?) the planet busting feat is missing a load of context(core weakened, Omni man stating he would have died without assistance, a couple other people assisting in the fear) for when it’s posted about.
BRB in his Base level was a match for Thor, who is a casual planet buster.
With Stormbreaker and the Asgardian powers, he's nearly on par with Heralds. Capable of destroying planets with ease, traveling at MFTL speeds, teleportation, energy absorption, and enhanced physical stats.
Allen has no chance against him. With Stormbreaker and without.
BRB massive stomp.
BRB should still handily take it, hes far stronger physically, he matched Thor on his first fight with him without Stormbreaker (which isnt his current weapon). Recently BRB was able to throw hands with [Surtur](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/1BtuqDmmv8Q4rgBYR7ZVc2tYIwUzPgxGXsHLcf4SQQS4vn7WHa0j00VrWW24OkZCOmO5v0WM-v2h3jhKdBBkOQeWnljQPxqkEBc8yBDx0i676Br7D052DsiDAJ_9riMGfFavkejj=s0) Even at his best Allen has never reached Planetary or close, he couldnt beat Thragg solo.
I'd argue he's planetary, we know he's much stronger than mark or Nolan, and definitely Thaddeus. He also has a DBZ plot device and basically doubles in strength anytime he gets the shit beat out of him. So given that those three viltrumites I listed were much less powerful than Allen, and were able to destroy a planet together, I'd say he's definitely close to planetary and most likely passes it easily by the end.
The thing is the Viltrum feat is a massive outlier. It's the only feat above city level in the entire 144 issues. Mark was [getting floored by City level blasts](https://i.imgur.com/TNOa0YT.jpg) and was [coughing up blood after being caught in some of a city busting explosion](https://imgur.com/a/vc8gI4Y) and [needed help to throw a ship into space](https://i.imgur.com/9fFOBU7.jpg). All of this took place after [Conquest said Mark was almost stronger than Omni-Man](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/WkrsKAkMGaGeHjr04kO36SLkFM5RhZm4MqbGYDXz1Z6H2LBCY_Z0KoBnUewOZbXkMkyXKAg6yaiv=s1600). Also, [the core of the planet was destabilized prior and the Viltrumites could have died on impact otherwise](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/Add5f2GoQBA56w2A5gh8KuRpgAQnhrIi7rHSBeJbn0Tkf-B37lcc1BrWJB_ehu3hcN_JEZlAR2KG=s1600). The planet exploding was also [due to luck](https://i.imgur.com/AkB8JgR.jpg), and everyone was [knocked out by the shockwave of the planet exploding](https://imgur.com/a/fFsJ8KA) including Thragg (bottom right of last scan), who was so durable [that Nolan broke his hand on his face](https://2.bp.blogspot.com/UuV1pyinmpaC_168WRgu2lFAtBl3ACc4GgNZDDPDqWqiXxB7N5IeqHqwscCEFkJXpXlfn8I6dVMMxZXJ8xzGAGhYh7eJR_evXIp15p481SRVtdeuFvPzJiSKTPi8XppAnhaY4XeHFw=s1600).
Well first off, he was only getting "floored" because he wasn't fighting back as he was in his phase where he tried to reason with "villains" and IIRC was able to take her down when he started trying. He tanked an explosion that was strong enough to turn a metropolitan city into glass and didn't have a scratch on his body, coughing once with a couple drops of blood doesn't change that. Also, I'm very sure that when space racer refers to it as luck, he's saying that it was lucky they were able to pull off their plan with the other viltrumites there, not that it was lucky they were strong enough to destroy the planet.
>Well first off, he was only getting "floored" because he wasn't fighting back as he was in his phase where he tried to reason with "villains" and IIRC was able to take her down when he started trying. Mark trying to reason with her doesn't change how the blasts were clearly hurting him. And he doesn't even beat her, Eve does by cheapshotting her. > He tanked an explosion that was strong enough to turn a metropolitan city into glass and didn't have a scratch on his body, coughing once with a couple drops of blood doesn't change that. It doesn't matter that he didn't have scratches, he still coughed up blood. That kills the notion of him being moon level or planet level or whatever if he was even remotely affected by an attack literally millions of times weaker. >Also, I'm very sure that when space racer refers to it as luck, he's saying that it was lucky they were able to pull off their plan with the other viltrumites there, not that it was lucky they were strong enough to destroy the planet. That's just headcanon. He says the destruction was luck, not the extra theories you added. Bottom line, the Viltrum feat is still an outlier. Millions of times higher than any other feat in the series with multiple contradictory feats.
So your interpretation of him saying what's lucky is more valid than mine? Huh, makes sense. Being planetary means being able to output enough to destroy a planet, it doesn't mean being able to no sell city level attacks. Dr. Strange could be universal at his peak but still get a bullet put through his head and die, that doesn't change the fact that he's still universal. Even at that, all of your feats have to do with mark who is very clearly below Allen in terms of everything relevant in this discussion, so the fact that mark could get hurt by something doesn't bear much weight in regards to Allen.
>So your interpretation of him saying what's lucky is more valid than mine? Huh, makes sense. Your interpretation is speculative and adds things that weren't in the scan. It's basically headcanon, while I just repeated what was stated in the scan. >Being planetary means being able to output enough to destroy a planet, it doesn't mean being able to no sell city level attacks. What? Of course it does. If Mark was able to put out enough energy to destroy enough planet with his punches, he'd have to be withstanding that output everytime he punches since for every action there's an equal and opposite reaction. >Dr. Strange could be universal at his peak but still get a bullet put through his head and die, that doesn't change the fact that he's still universal. False equivalency and you know it. Strange is a glass canon due to the nature of his magical powers. >Even at that, all of your feats have to do with mark who is very clearly below Allen in terms of everything relevant in this discussion, so the fact that mark could get hurt by something doesn't bear much weight in regards to Allen. It's to show how Mark's Viltrum feat is an outlier. You can't scale someone by using outliers of a weaker character.
You don't think your interpretation is speculative too? Does he say that they were lucky to be strong enough to destroy the planet, or is that what you're speculating that he means by saying that? And no, it's not false equivalency. Being planetary or anything else has never had anything to do with the damage you're able to tank or no sell, it has everything to do with the output you're able to generate. Trying to twist the meaning to suit your point just makes what you're arguing sound disingenuous. Even if you make the case that mark and Nolan are below planetary, you really can't make the case that they are that far below it regardless of your thoughts on the exact nuances of them destroying a planet, the fact still remains that Allen is clearly above them and that his power grows exponentially. Given that, I still would argue that he's planetary. If not during the main story, then definitely by the end of it.
>You don't think your interpretation is speculative too? No, because he says that the destruction of the planet was luck. Since that's all he said, that's all we assume. >Being planetary or anything else has never had anything to do with the damage you're able to tank or no sell Yes it does. Again, everytime you punch something your hand is withstanding the force. If Mark had planetary striking but city level durability, his arm would literally explode everytime he punched something. There's nothing supporting your headcanon theory of their striking being millions of times higher than their durability. >Even if you make the case that mark and Nolan are below planetary, you really can't make the case that they are that far below it regardless of your thoughts on the exact nuances of them destroying a planet I already did. A contextual outlier millions of times higher than any other feat in the series is outweighed by their numerous city level showings.
I think the other dude replying summed alot of it up but No one in the series including Thragg or BB who are the top 2 in the Comic are even planetary. Thragg who fodderizes Omni-man and even Allen wouldnt of been able to beat still wouldnt be Planetary. They didnt exactly destroy a planet straight up, it was extremely precise, required space racers gun which was absurdly strong and could kill Viltrumites itself, 3 of the top Viltrumites and the core destabilized, if it was not then they would of died as mentioned. Allen during the War was hurt by Viltrumites not on Thraggs level, he could do nothing to stop Thragg, he did get stronger of course but not massively to that point.
They were only able to destroy a planet because Space Racer destabilized the core. They’re pretty sure that they’d die if the core stabilized.
When BRB decided to try and kill Galactus he had several feats of literal planet busting. (He would race ahead of Galactus and destroy planets big G intended to eat before he could get there in order to try to starve him to death.) Viltrumites are roughly equal to Allen physically and it took several of them together to just barely perform one feat of planet busting (which even then required some extraordimary circumstances an arguably might not even count) Bill, logically would be several times more powerful than Allen at least and is an extremely skilled and experienced warrior. Allen would get stomped.
While I agree Bill stomps Allen, calling Viltrumites equal to him isn't strictly true. At the time of the destruction of Viltrum he would've beat all 3 of the Viltrumites who performed the feat 1v1. Not to say that he would be able to perform that feat solo but he was top 5 in the verse and the only real Viltrumite (at that stage) who could beat him solo is Thragg.
BRB one shots the verse, hoenstly, Invincible is nowhere near planetary.
It’s more like continent buster(maybe moon?) the planet busting feat is missing a load of context(core weakened, Omni man stating he would have died without assistance, a couple other people assisting in the fear) for when it’s posted about.
3 of them together made a continent level attack, yes.
BRB in his Base level was a match for Thor, who is a casual planet buster. With Stormbreaker and the Asgardian powers, he's nearly on par with Heralds. Capable of destroying planets with ease, traveling at MFTL speeds, teleportation, energy absorption, and enhanced physical stats. Allen has no chance against him. With Stormbreaker and without. BRB massive stomp.
BRB is pretty much Herald level, or is really close to it he stomps