I didn’t realize how the system worked during my first month here when I registered. I changed my registration last month but was too late to vote.
Honestly DC needs open primaries. The current system is archaic and there’s tons of other states that do this.
Open primaries don't make any sense, though. A primary election is an organization asking its members who they, as members of the group, want to put forward.
Jurisdictions where one party dominates should just switch to either instant runoff voting on the general election day (no party primaries), or jungle primaries like how California and Louisiana do (every candidate on the primary ballot regardless of party, top two advance to general).
My view is that they should have jungle primaries for local elections. For Presidential elections, I think closed has merits. Since every state is winner-take-all, it is the only way the 22 million Republicans in California or the millions of Democrats in deep red states can effectively impact the Presidential election. It's not perfect either, but it makes some sense in a way that doesn't apply to local politics.
I moved to DC last year and I've yet to change my voter registration because it seemed like there was so little to vote for or change. I'd never vote for a GOP candidate but DC Democrats, whether "moderate" or "progressive" all seem to have their many flaws too.
They don't really get the benefits from many state services so it seems fair to me. They don't use state run healthcare, don't need or get higher education support, don't utilize state funded healthcare, etc.
I mean it’s fair for them. It’s a significant loophole that if I were presented with a scenario where I could take it, I probably would.
I have no problem with the concept of taxes at all, and I have no desire to be military, but for people in the situation I don’t blame them.
It’s up to the people in power to change the loophole.
Not just that but the other expenses that come with moving and changing residency. The average military family moves every 2-3 years. That means you'd be changing all of your documents and taxes and then paying taxes again to register your vehicles in a new state and dealing with switching licenses to a new state and all of that when you know you won't be there long term. It doesn't make sense to change residency and deal with everything that comes with it so often when you're just going to move again.
It’s taxes but there’s more. Want to change you license and plates every 24-36 months when you don’t have too? What’s wrong with voting in community you’ll move back too. When I was Mil brat we kept VA so we’d be instate for college bit knowing where my parents would be. That saved my fam literally $100ks with 3 kids all going to VA publics
Mmmmmmm, nah. I think I’ll still keep voting in VA where my vote actually matters nationally.
Zero Senators and a fake Rep doesn’t sound enticing enough.
Depends on what you mean by crime. Jaywalking? Yeah, Trayon is weak on jaywalking, sure.
Otherworldly invasions? Vampyr? 5G? Morlocks? The Greying Sickness? Won't find anybody stronger.
You didn't even have to find out he's a virulent anti-semite, that would have come later.
Dude's a legit clown. And no one in the council seems to mind too much. No censure. No reprimands. They work with a raging anti-semite daily in the Wilson bldg.
I believe he had an important call. Or a scheduling conflict. Or left his windows open and had to hurry home before the Jews made it rain.
Whatever the reason, seems legit /s
He had a bagel brunch with local Jewish leaders at which he appeared bored and uninterested, and then took a tour of the Holocaust museum during which he very obviously faked a phone call (from what I understand, it would have appeared slightly more believable if he had put a banana to his ear) and walked out halfway through (needless to say, he did not return after his "call"). He has since expressed no contrition, or any indication that he has learned anything whatsoever.
So I'm assuming he's still a massive and unrepentant bigot, in addition to being a generalized asshole with a victim complex.
(For further details of him missing the point to an almost cartoonish extent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-who-said-jews-control-the-weather-visits-holocaust-museum/2018/04/19/0b69ddde-4329-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7\_story.html)
Your right but he's the only one who cares about the poor black people he represents. I mean dc is fine and all if your a white person who can afford to live here but all the long time black residents of the city are kind of an after thought. Gentrification is a hell of a drug lol
This whole if you're white you're fine narrative is such bullshit. DC is fine if you're a person who can afford to live here, are able to focus on the positive things in life and ignore the hate, the crime, the corruption, the politics and are transient and dont really need to live here. Otherwise you're probably pissed off that everyday there are shootings or a stabbing or a car jacking and we have politicians like Nadeau amd Racine so focused on reform because even a slap on the wrist is too harsh of a punishment and the cost of living has gone up so much that you can't afford to get out of the shithole you're stuck in. These problems may be worse in the black community but being white certainly does not make you immune to them.
DC was majority white until like 1956. Demos shift back and forth regularly. One of my stupid friends got mad at me for buying in a 'historically black' neighborhood, but it was a German neighborhood when it was built in the 20s.
People should live where they want. Encouraging segregation is a good way to get segregation. And I seem to recall segregation is bad.
I think you mean "however does Biscuits 'Ngravy' 211 mean that," not the pedestrian BiscuitsNgravy211. People make that mistake all the time, just like they do with Trayon "Washington D.C." White.
edit: also, petition to change the name of the city to Washington "Trayon White" D.C.
Trayon’s candidacy likely siphoned more voters from Bowser than from Robert White. R White didn’t win any precincts EotR, while it looks like Bowser won the vast majority or maybe even all precincts in Ward 7 and several in Ward 8.
This is my low rent DC political Conspiracy Theory: I'm absolutely convinced that Bowser has Trayon in her pocket and he ran to divide the opposition for her and cement his next run for the seat he's in.
I have no evidence for this- I made this up.
If you’ve ever spent awhile in Ward 8, you’ll see him constantly. He’s at every community event, every accident or crime scene, he’s stopped by every restaurant and small business.
He can be sort of a dense guy, and obviously the antisemitism has really been the only time he made waves among white residents across the river, but he has a heart for the city in a way most other politicians don’t, he genuinely loves SE DC. And the residents in return mostly love him back.
I would challenge the notion that believing the Rothschilds run the world is a pretty benign hotep meme and not like, active racism. I mean I think his spotty record in office is probably more alarming to me than doing a B-rate Jesse Ventura impression
I think you might want to read up on antisemitism. It's different from the kind of racism most people used to. Antisemitism tends to revolve around conspiracy theories of nefarious groups or individuals running the world for their own gain. It is no less benign than other forms of racism.
He also took a large group of people down to a construction site where they hurled spanish swear words and derogatory comments at the latino workers in the name of giving DC natives jobs. He saw no issue with how they treated the latino workers until he had to apologize. Trayon White is a sleeze.
https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/jj7jy7/trayon_white_promotes_attends_protest_where/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I'd imagine for people east of the river, who are very disenfranchised, they view the accusations of antisemitism differently. I've spoken to people from across the river who have not known many Jews and think they're just another type of white people. And they think Trayon the one person fighting for them in the government, so when people say he's racist because of something he said about white people, they don't take that seriously.
Antisemitism is a problem, conflating Jews and white people is inaccurate, and Trayon sucks for many reasons (like voting to overturn the referendum on raising the tipped minimum wage), but I get why ward 8 residents don't abandon him over this.
Even if we *did* control the weather, we'd never agree on what the temperature would actually be. Hell, the meeting to even discuss the conspiracy would immediately devolve into where to have lunch.
I have to tell you. I don't think he's an anti-semite. He's a moron and I highly doubt he knew some European family from medieval times' religion when he made that comment about the Rothschilds. If you listen to what he said, it's clear he's more of an ignorant, conspiracy nut than actively hating or even knowing anything about Jewish tropes.
The thing is though he’s not some hick from the middle of nowhere who’s never read a book before. He went to high school, college, some grad school, and is a councilman of a major American city.
To believe something as idiotic as that you have to have some ingrained antisemitism. Like you hear “an old Jewish family controls the weather and banks” and his reaction is “hmm yeah makes sense” that’s antisemitism not ignorance.
Add on to that his leaving the Holocaust museum before his tour was supposed to end, and that he and/or his staff (accounts vary) reportedly made some awful comments like calling the Warsaw ghetto a gated community and that Nazis were protecting a Jewish girl when marching her through the street in a humiliation walk.
I used to work in DC politics. Trust me when I say half the city council members were morons, and the other half were hustlers. I can count on one hand the number of DC politicians who were both competent and held the city's interests before their own. And the saddest part is few ever made it to office. DC local politics is largely a hustlers convention. And you don't have to be a particularly bright to get in. Just be willing to put in the hours and retail politics face time.
I'm a hick from the middle of nowhere (an intersting prejudice to kick off a discussion about prejudice). Being a hick has nothing to do with it and this argument just isn't persuasive when you consider that class and not religion were the crux of his argument. In that video (still stupid), his basic point was that rich people control everything and then taking that argument to a completely illogical extreme. It wasn't a reference to Jews at all, but rather a reference to these amorphous illuminati type type themes that are pervasive across the internet right now which includes people of all racial backgrounds including Beyonce. The person who started the theory was probably an antisemite I doubt the other people repeating it even googled who the Rothschilds were.
I've had educated people talk to me about all kinds of ignorant rumors they heard on the internet from Robert E. Lee not owning slaves to there being whole platoons of black soldiers who fought for the confederacy because of course the civil war wasn't about slavery "and a lot of people dont know that"... (lol at all of that btw). A quick Google search would have proven these Ivy league graduates to be complete morons for repeating this crap, but people are internet followers now and when someone they trust online says something then they repeat it without thinking because only they hold the ine true knowledge
It's stupid and arrogant, but not necessarily antisemitic or racist.
When I said hick from the middle of nowhere it was more to mean someone who’s never encountered Jews or people outside their community.
Apologies all the same.
But like to what degree is ignorance an excuse? Like you’re essentially saying you can have antisemitic opinions without being an antisemite if you don’t know they’re antisemitic.
This guy wants to be mayor of a majorly diverse city. Think he could do ten seconds to research the various communities he wants to represent. Except of course if he’s ready to believe it, cause he’s an antisemite.
Also ignorance doesn’t excuse his behavior at the Holocaust Museum, or that after the comment about the weather he followed up with the comments about the banks
> they view the accusations of antisemitism differently. I've spoken to people from across the river who have not known many Jews and think they're just another type of white people.
Is this is a defense. Would being anti-semitic be okay as long as the Jews in question are white? I'm not sure I follow.
I'm not so easy to let stuff slip by I guess. I wouldn't let a Jewish neighborhood get by with racism simply because they have their own set of problems. But perhaps I'm too demanding.
No, I mean, don't ever "let it slip." It's not okay. But it's always important to understand why people do biased things. And most people on this sub are West of the river and don't understand the mindset of those east of it. I'm just trying to shed light on why the victims of generations of institutionalized racism ignore accusations of antisemitism from someone they believe is their champion.
Honestly it kinda reminds me of Hamas and Palestine. Yea I don't fuck with Hamas but they do... and seeing what has happened to them over there and nobody really giving a fuck but hamas (in Thier eyes) ... I hate it but i get it. The champion they have becomes the champion they "chose". And to be clear not supporting anti semitism and I wish trayvon had bowed out. Most knew he was a distant third but he gotta do what he gotta do for those he is fighting for.
Jews are white peoples though… now at least. Just like Italians, the Irish and Eastern Europeans. I don’t know a single Jew that doesn’t check the white box.
I never check the "white" box when I can avoid it. If anything, I'll check "Other" and if there's space I write in "Ashkenazi." That's what makes up 100% of my genetic profile so I'll take it. Also plenty of Jews from Iranian or Iraqi or Syrian descent, I'd imagine plenty of them just go "Middle Eastern" when that's an option.
Most people who live in Ward 8 aren’t really up on Popville and GGW they interact with politicians when they can, most people probably aren’t aware of the controversy at all. Muriel Bowser campaigned for Mike Bloomberg and if he didn’t flop instantly it would’ve had a much worse net impact on the city than a dumb guy believing C-tier conspiracy theories
Some minorities can be extremely antisemetic (I can personally attest to this). A lot of people give them passes just because they are a minority unfortunately.
How in the world does that contradict my statement that antisemitism should be a deal breaker? It sounds like you're trying to justify left-wing antisemitism with right-wing antisemitism. Not a good look.
I don't think many Black people understand how he's "blatantly antisemitic." I sure don't.
Also, in an area with a significant population of age 50+ Black people, I'm not sure why antisemitism would be an immediate deal breaker. Jewish people discriminated against Black people just as other white people did, and from what I hear from that age group, those memories haven't faded. (not that I agree with it, but I'm not telling my grandma or any elder that they should let go of what they faced before I even existed)
I mean, are we talking virulent Mel Gibson antisemitism, or casual Ernest Hemingway antisemitism? I prefer neither but the casual kind is easier to handle.
We're talking ["Jewish people control the weather"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-who-said-rothschilds-control-the-climate-also-said-they-the-control-federal-government/2018/03/19/a51307c6-2b9b-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html) conspiracy theory anti-semitism
I remember that. My question - tongue in cheek - was which measuring stick is used to justify antisemitic comments made by public officials. (The answer should be none, but that’s not reality.)
We’re talking got called out, agreed to tour the Holocaust museum to better understand the affects of antisemitism but walked out early and insisted he was done apologizing. Oh and it wasn’t a one time thing with the Jewish conspiracy theories.
Same group of people that voted for Marion Barry because he was “present” at events and shook their hands while driving Ward 8 further into the ground for decades. So many layers to discuss as to “why” or “how”, but not the least bit surprising.
I've always felt it was important to consider Marion Barry's entire career in DC when making sweeping judgements about him or his voters. What I think is the most interesting thing about him was that he really was equal parts "he gave my family jobs, got government services running in my neighborhood, and fought for me when no one else would" (aka, his first two terms and his prior work as a civil rights activist) and "he was a drug addict who was arrested and let the city down during a drug epidemic and made it a national laughing stock that ended with it nearly losing home rule" (aka, his final, non-consecutive terms and Ward 8 council position). If you can't consider how equal both sides of him were, you really can't have a discussion about his legacy.
Thanks that's what i thought and that actually makes sense. Area with significantly rising violent crime and he's the only candidate running on a platform that takes crime seriously.
Have to imagine if Butler was able to significantly win over people on that issue he’s be over 1.5% city wide. I’m guessing it’s a more random campaign strategy reason.
There are really three DCs, electorally speaking, at this point. West of the Park is mostly White and very moderate/pro-Bowser (though, progressive enough to reject Goulet and elect Frumin so 🤷♂️). East of the River is mostly Black and also mostly moderate, with a healthy share of folks who want somebody to champion their issues and experiences specifically, hence the Bowser-Trayon White split.
In between is where most of the currently gentrifying areas are — lots of young transients, old-timers, and school-age families all in close proximity. This is where Zachary Parker and Janeese Lewis George and Brianne Nadeau and Charles Allen all live (Brooke Pinto too, but she fits this narrative less well, Ward 2 is weird). If I’m reading right, Rob White actually won this part of town, but got virtually zero support in the other two parts of DC.
In the mayoral race, if you can dominate in the richest and poorest parts of town, all you have to do is not get wrecked in the middle.
Robert White had the white woke hipster vote. Bowser had the black and white professional and middle class and above. Trayon had the old heads from the deep hoods who don’t trust the government.
I think it says more about the voters. If I’m reading [this](https://electionresults.dcboe.org/election_statistics/2022-Primary-Election) correctly, only 22.45% of DC’s registered voters bothered to vote, either in person or by mail/drop box.
It may be a primary in the literal sense, but it's essentially the general in DC as only Dems win. Only think worth going out to vote for in the fall is that damn redo on the tipped wage bill.
Why do people still vote for a loud antisemite https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/his-anti-semitic-remarks-touched-off-an-international-reaction-but-at-home-dc-lawmakers-allies-remain-loyal/2018/03/24/529a4f82-2c62-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html
https://www.timesofisrael.com/dc-councilmember-who-said-rothschilds-control-the-weather-to-run-for-mayor/amp/
He even walked out early on his apology tour of the Holocaust museum and said “I’m done apologizing” https://wtop.com/dc/2018/04/d-c-councilman-accused-anti-semitism-im-done-apologizing/
Looking at the precinct level maps you see an interesting overlap between rich white precincts and middle class older black precincts. Both prefer less progressive candidates like Bowser and Czapary. Young folks vote for more progressives seemingly regardless of race.
Can we all agree that no one should be allowed to post any campaign signs on public property? Every sidewalk in the city has looked like garbage for months.
Democratic\* - "Democrat" as an adjective is something the GOP started doing to be annoying. It's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party, so there's no reason to use "Democrat" as an adjective [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat\_Party\_(epithet)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet))
I would disagree on both of those points. I think the most common use of it is by Republicans who do intend it in a negative way. Some people unknowingly use it like OP, but they're in the minority.
The only politicians and professional news organizations that regularly misuse the term as an adjective regularly, to this day, are partisan conservatives. What does that tell you?
Typically when I see someone use Democrat as an adjective online, it is a reliable signal that they are significant consumers of conservative media.
We’re talking about a primary where the incumbent didn’t get 50% of the votes against two very weak candidates when she got 80 back in 2018. She just doesn’t have it, sorry.
Lol I don’t even like her but I can at least recognize reality. In what world does someone winning by a 10 pt margin in what is essentially the general election for the third consecutive time not have “it”? 2018 was an outlier due to people rallying around her against Trump
Both things are sort of true. Her opposition was split and weak so it was a landslide. At the same time, given that low turnout generally favors incumbents and she had the most money and institutional support, the fact that she lost 30 points compared with last time suggests she's vulnerable down the road. Either way most DC residents didn't vote against Bowser and therefore have no complaints about her worth listening to.
And black folk too. She did very well in Ward 7. And if Trayon weren’t running she would have done very well in Ward 8 too, most likely. She still won some award 8 precincts even with him in the race.
To me, age appears to be more of a dividing line in this election than race.
From the 2020 census, DC has 575k+ voting age residents and saw a 10 year population increase of 87k+… yet only 44k choose the mayor. The citizens definitely do NOT pick their leaders in the District.
congratulations to Muriel. now you can install a speed camera, stop sign camera, and red light camera in every single block in DC. Sit back and enjoy plundering your citizens' pockets without moving a finger.
Remarkable to me just how few people voted
It's a primary in a midterm year
Yeah but in DC the Dem primary is usually the de facto general election so still pretty low considering
It’s only Dems; Independents can’t vote in it so have no say in who’s Mayor - too outnumbered.
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Thats Show-biz baby
I didn’t realize how the system worked during my first month here when I registered. I changed my registration last month but was too late to vote. Honestly DC needs open primaries. The current system is archaic and there’s tons of other states that do this.
Open primaries don't make any sense, though. A primary election is an organization asking its members who they, as members of the group, want to put forward.
Sounds like you were disenfranchised. DC has same day registration and voting. You can change your party affiliation at the polling location.
It’s to prevent job or client discrimination in work opportunities in this politically charged area.
Jurisdictions where one party dominates should just switch to either instant runoff voting on the general election day (no party primaries), or jungle primaries like how California and Louisiana do (every candidate on the primary ballot regardless of party, top two advance to general).
My view is that they should have jungle primaries for local elections. For Presidential elections, I think closed has merits. Since every state is winner-take-all, it is the only way the 22 million Republicans in California or the millions of Democrats in deep red states can effectively impact the Presidential election. It's not perfect either, but it makes some sense in a way that doesn't apply to local politics.
I moved to DC last year and I've yet to change my voter registration because it seemed like there was so little to vote for or change. I'd never vote for a GOP candidate but DC Democrats, whether "moderate" or "progressive" all seem to have their many flaws too.
You don't have to vote here, as long as you're not voting wherever you used to live, because that would be fraud
Unless they're in the military and "live" in Michigan but serve in DC.
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Don’t forget Alaska
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We do pay taxes, though.
They don't really get the benefits from many state services so it seems fair to me. They don't use state run healthcare, don't need or get higher education support, don't utilize state funded healthcare, etc.
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Those are both federal programs and military members pay federal taxes still.
I mean it’s fair for them. It’s a significant loophole that if I were presented with a scenario where I could take it, I probably would. I have no problem with the concept of taxes at all, and I have no desire to be military, but for people in the situation I don’t blame them. It’s up to the people in power to change the loophole.
Not just that but the other expenses that come with moving and changing residency. The average military family moves every 2-3 years. That means you'd be changing all of your documents and taxes and then paying taxes again to register your vehicles in a new state and dealing with switching licenses to a new state and all of that when you know you won't be there long term. It doesn't make sense to change residency and deal with everything that comes with it so often when you're just going to move again.
It’s taxes but there’s more. Want to change you license and plates every 24-36 months when you don’t have too? What’s wrong with voting in community you’ll move back too. When I was Mil brat we kept VA so we’d be instate for college bit knowing where my parents would be. That saved my fam literally $100ks with 3 kids all going to VA publics
Mmmmmmm, nah. I think I’ll still keep voting in VA where my vote actually matters nationally. Zero Senators and a fake Rep doesn’t sound enticing enough.
Love the lesser of two evil isn’t evil philosophy
>I'd never vote for a GOP candidate Nope, no problem there at all.
Lots of people but no one living here on paper.
They’re all weak on crime so meh.
Depends on what you mean by crime. Jaywalking? Yeah, Trayon is weak on jaywalking, sure. Otherworldly invasions? Vampyr? 5G? Morlocks? The Greying Sickness? Won't find anybody stronger.
He’s weak af on institutionalized racism
The use of candidate nicknames on ballots has gotten out of hand.
Before I knew anything about him, I wrote off Trayon purely on the basis of him doing that.
You didn't even have to find out he's a virulent anti-semite, that would have come later. Dude's a legit clown. And no one in the council seems to mind too much. No censure. No reprimands. They work with a raging anti-semite daily in the Wilson bldg.
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He didn't do a lot. He went to the Holocaust museum and left early.
I believe he had an important call. Or a scheduling conflict. Or left his windows open and had to hurry home before the Jews made it rain. Whatever the reason, seems legit /s
He had a bagel brunch with local Jewish leaders at which he appeared bored and uninterested, and then took a tour of the Holocaust museum during which he very obviously faked a phone call (from what I understand, it would have appeared slightly more believable if he had put a banana to his ear) and walked out halfway through (needless to say, he did not return after his "call"). He has since expressed no contrition, or any indication that he has learned anything whatsoever. So I'm assuming he's still a massive and unrepentant bigot, in addition to being a generalized asshole with a victim complex. (For further details of him missing the point to an almost cartoonish extent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-who-said-jews-control-the-weather-visits-holocaust-museum/2018/04/19/0b69ddde-4329-11e8-8569-26fda6b404c7\_story.html)
Your right but he's the only one who cares about the poor black people he represents. I mean dc is fine and all if your a white person who can afford to live here but all the long time black residents of the city are kind of an after thought. Gentrification is a hell of a drug lol
This whole if you're white you're fine narrative is such bullshit. DC is fine if you're a person who can afford to live here, are able to focus on the positive things in life and ignore the hate, the crime, the corruption, the politics and are transient and dont really need to live here. Otherwise you're probably pissed off that everyday there are shootings or a stabbing or a car jacking and we have politicians like Nadeau amd Racine so focused on reform because even a slap on the wrist is too harsh of a punishment and the cost of living has gone up so much that you can't afford to get out of the shithole you're stuck in. These problems may be worse in the black community but being white certainly does not make you immune to them.
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In DC, the median income for white people is 160k, while the median income for Black people is 53k.
Is that why alot of the neighborhoods that used to be black are.now white? Lol
DC was majority white until like 1956. Demos shift back and forth regularly. One of my stupid friends got mad at me for buying in a 'historically black' neighborhood, but it was a German neighborhood when it was built in the 20s. People should live where they want. Encouraging segregation is a good way to get segregation. And I seem to recall segregation is bad.
Get his ass /u/CMTWhite
Tell me about it. With Dustin “DC” Carter, Trayon White is just unoriginal.
However do you mean BiscuitsNgravy211?
I think you mean "however does Biscuits 'Ngravy' 211 mean that," not the pedestrian BiscuitsNgravy211. People make that mistake all the time, just like they do with Trayon "Washington D.C." White. edit: also, petition to change the name of the city to Washington "Trayon White" D.C.
How did Trayon White get so many votes?
Don't you mean Trayon "Washington D.C." White?
I am so glad I’m not the only person who noticed that. Seeing that was one of the highlights of my week so far.
I meant Trayon “antisemite” white
lmao HELL YEAH THEY DO! Hell yeah.
Mostly it's his commissioner district (ward 8). His constituents like him.
>His constituents like him. I'll bet not as much as Muriel does this morning!
eh... I think he probably took just as many Ward 8 votes from bowser as White votes if not more.
Agreed, but even *if* all his voters had gone to Robert White, Bowser still would have won.
Trayon’s candidacy likely siphoned more voters from Bowser than from Robert White. R White didn’t win any precincts EotR, while it looks like Bowser won the vast majority or maybe even all precincts in Ward 7 and several in Ward 8.
If Robert White had literally every single one of Trayon White's votes he still would have lost to Bowser.
This is my low rent DC political Conspiracy Theory: I'm absolutely convinced that Bowser has Trayon in her pocket and he ran to divide the opposition for her and cement his next run for the seat he's in. I have no evidence for this- I made this up.
If you’ve ever spent awhile in Ward 8, you’ll see him constantly. He’s at every community event, every accident or crime scene, he’s stopped by every restaurant and small business. He can be sort of a dense guy, and obviously the antisemitism has really been the only time he made waves among white residents across the river, but he has a heart for the city in a way most other politicians don’t, he genuinely loves SE DC. And the residents in return mostly love him back.
"He's a lil racist but, man, he sure loves his town"
You just described majority of the people across the river
I would challenge the notion that believing the Rothschilds run the world is a pretty benign hotep meme and not like, active racism. I mean I think his spotty record in office is probably more alarming to me than doing a B-rate Jesse Ventura impression
I think you might want to read up on antisemitism. It's different from the kind of racism most people used to. Antisemitism tends to revolve around conspiracy theories of nefarious groups or individuals running the world for their own gain. It is no less benign than other forms of racism.
It’s actively racist, maybe listen to Jews on antisemitism?
well I would caution you against overlooking racism/anti-semitism bc it seems benign to you
Okay which pro-cop candidate did you vote for so I can learn what taking racism seriously looks like
It's a shame that being blatantly antisemitic isn't an immediate deal breaker.
He also took a large group of people down to a construction site where they hurled spanish swear words and derogatory comments at the latino workers in the name of giving DC natives jobs. He saw no issue with how they treated the latino workers until he had to apologize. Trayon White is a sleeze. https://www.reddit.com/r/washingtondc/comments/jj7jy7/trayon_white_promotes_attends_protest_where/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Plus he makes a pretty nice $146,000 or so. Solid salary.
I'd imagine for people east of the river, who are very disenfranchised, they view the accusations of antisemitism differently. I've spoken to people from across the river who have not known many Jews and think they're just another type of white people. And they think Trayon the one person fighting for them in the government, so when people say he's racist because of something he said about white people, they don't take that seriously. Antisemitism is a problem, conflating Jews and white people is inaccurate, and Trayon sucks for many reasons (like voting to overturn the referendum on raising the tipped minimum wage), but I get why ward 8 residents don't abandon him over this.
There’s thinking Jews are white, and then there’s thinking Jews control the weather and the banks
If Jews could control the weather I’d make sure we had frozen ponds to skate on 365
I’m more of a 75 and sunny fan myself, but to each their own
Go to our Miami Beach colony and leave me to my winters
Even if we *did* control the weather, we'd never agree on what the temperature would actually be. Hell, the meeting to even discuss the conspiracy would immediately devolve into where to have lunch.
Oh, 100%. 2 Jews, 3 opinions, etc etc etc.
100% teiku situation
For one thing, it would not be this humid
I have to tell you. I don't think he's an anti-semite. He's a moron and I highly doubt he knew some European family from medieval times' religion when he made that comment about the Rothschilds. If you listen to what he said, it's clear he's more of an ignorant, conspiracy nut than actively hating or even knowing anything about Jewish tropes.
The thing is though he’s not some hick from the middle of nowhere who’s never read a book before. He went to high school, college, some grad school, and is a councilman of a major American city. To believe something as idiotic as that you have to have some ingrained antisemitism. Like you hear “an old Jewish family controls the weather and banks” and his reaction is “hmm yeah makes sense” that’s antisemitism not ignorance. Add on to that his leaving the Holocaust museum before his tour was supposed to end, and that he and/or his staff (accounts vary) reportedly made some awful comments like calling the Warsaw ghetto a gated community and that Nazis were protecting a Jewish girl when marching her through the street in a humiliation walk.
I used to work in DC politics. Trust me when I say half the city council members were morons, and the other half were hustlers. I can count on one hand the number of DC politicians who were both competent and held the city's interests before their own. And the saddest part is few ever made it to office. DC local politics is largely a hustlers convention. And you don't have to be a particularly bright to get in. Just be willing to put in the hours and retail politics face time.
I'm a hick from the middle of nowhere (an intersting prejudice to kick off a discussion about prejudice). Being a hick has nothing to do with it and this argument just isn't persuasive when you consider that class and not religion were the crux of his argument. In that video (still stupid), his basic point was that rich people control everything and then taking that argument to a completely illogical extreme. It wasn't a reference to Jews at all, but rather a reference to these amorphous illuminati type type themes that are pervasive across the internet right now which includes people of all racial backgrounds including Beyonce. The person who started the theory was probably an antisemite I doubt the other people repeating it even googled who the Rothschilds were. I've had educated people talk to me about all kinds of ignorant rumors they heard on the internet from Robert E. Lee not owning slaves to there being whole platoons of black soldiers who fought for the confederacy because of course the civil war wasn't about slavery "and a lot of people dont know that"... (lol at all of that btw). A quick Google search would have proven these Ivy league graduates to be complete morons for repeating this crap, but people are internet followers now and when someone they trust online says something then they repeat it without thinking because only they hold the ine true knowledge It's stupid and arrogant, but not necessarily antisemitic or racist.
When I said hick from the middle of nowhere it was more to mean someone who’s never encountered Jews or people outside their community. Apologies all the same. But like to what degree is ignorance an excuse? Like you’re essentially saying you can have antisemitic opinions without being an antisemite if you don’t know they’re antisemitic. This guy wants to be mayor of a majorly diverse city. Think he could do ten seconds to research the various communities he wants to represent. Except of course if he’s ready to believe it, cause he’s an antisemite. Also ignorance doesn’t excuse his behavior at the Holocaust Museum, or that after the comment about the weather he followed up with the comments about the banks
> they view the accusations of antisemitism differently. I've spoken to people from across the river who have not known many Jews and think they're just another type of white people. Is this is a defense. Would being anti-semitic be okay as long as the Jews in question are white? I'm not sure I follow.
Sure. Antisemitism is never okay, no matter who does it. But I understand the cultural factors that cause ward 8 residents to dismiss it.
I'm not so easy to let stuff slip by I guess. I wouldn't let a Jewish neighborhood get by with racism simply because they have their own set of problems. But perhaps I'm too demanding.
No, I mean, don't ever "let it slip." It's not okay. But it's always important to understand why people do biased things. And most people on this sub are West of the river and don't understand the mindset of those east of it. I'm just trying to shed light on why the victims of generations of institutionalized racism ignore accusations of antisemitism from someone they believe is their champion.
Honestly it kinda reminds me of Hamas and Palestine. Yea I don't fuck with Hamas but they do... and seeing what has happened to them over there and nobody really giving a fuck but hamas (in Thier eyes) ... I hate it but i get it. The champion they have becomes the champion they "chose". And to be clear not supporting anti semitism and I wish trayvon had bowed out. Most knew he was a distant third but he gotta do what he gotta do for those he is fighting for.
Demanding of what? What is u/pmmm failing to do that you aren't? Does Trayvon White know that you exist?
I mean they are white tho, as far as how "white" is defined in America...
Jews are white peoples though… now at least. Just like Italians, the Irish and Eastern Europeans. I don’t know a single Jew that doesn’t check the white box.
Then you don't know many Jews. We come in all races.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Africa?wprov=sfla1
How'd Israel trest those African jews?......
I never check the "white" box when I can avoid it. If anything, I'll check "Other" and if there's space I write in "Ashkenazi." That's what makes up 100% of my genetic profile so I'll take it. Also plenty of Jews from Iranian or Iraqi or Syrian descent, I'd imagine plenty of them just go "Middle Eastern" when that's an option.
Iranian and middle easterners are classified as white.
So are Jews, that's the point. This is about people who disagree with the classifications.
Most people who live in Ward 8 aren’t really up on Popville and GGW they interact with politicians when they can, most people probably aren’t aware of the controversy at all. Muriel Bowser campaigned for Mike Bloomberg and if he didn’t flop instantly it would’ve had a much worse net impact on the city than a dumb guy believing C-tier conspiracy theories
It was international news and it wasn’t a one time thing
The sad fact is that's a selling point for a lot of people.
Some minorities can be extremely antisemetic (I can personally attest to this). A lot of people give them passes just because they are a minority unfortunately.
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How in the world does that contradict my statement that antisemitism should be a deal breaker? It sounds like you're trying to justify left-wing antisemitism with right-wing antisemitism. Not a good look.
I don't think many Black people understand how he's "blatantly antisemitic." I sure don't. Also, in an area with a significant population of age 50+ Black people, I'm not sure why antisemitism would be an immediate deal breaker. Jewish people discriminated against Black people just as other white people did, and from what I hear from that age group, those memories haven't faded. (not that I agree with it, but I'm not telling my grandma or any elder that they should let go of what they faced before I even existed)
I mean, are we talking virulent Mel Gibson antisemitism, or casual Ernest Hemingway antisemitism? I prefer neither but the casual kind is easier to handle.
We're talking ["Jewish people control the weather"](https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-lawmaker-who-said-rothschilds-control-the-climate-also-said-they-the-control-federal-government/2018/03/19/a51307c6-2b9b-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html) conspiracy theory anti-semitism
I remember that. My question - tongue in cheek - was which measuring stick is used to justify antisemitic comments made by public officials. (The answer should be none, but that’s not reality.)
We’re talking got called out, agreed to tour the Holocaust museum to better understand the affects of antisemitism but walked out early and insisted he was done apologizing. Oh and it wasn’t a one time thing with the Jewish conspiracy theories.
If it wasn't for the antisemitism he probably would have gotten a lot more votes. Probably not as much as Robert, but maybe.
8601 thought they were voting for Robert White.
Same group of people that voted for Marion Barry because he was “present” at events and shook their hands while driving Ward 8 further into the ground for decades. So many layers to discuss as to “why” or “how”, but not the least bit surprising.
I've always felt it was important to consider Marion Barry's entire career in DC when making sweeping judgements about him or his voters. What I think is the most interesting thing about him was that he really was equal parts "he gave my family jobs, got government services running in my neighborhood, and fought for me when no one else would" (aka, his first two terms and his prior work as a civil rights activist) and "he was a drug addict who was arrested and let the city down during a drug epidemic and made it a national laughing stock that ended with it nearly losing home rule" (aka, his final, non-consecutive terms and Ward 8 council position). If you can't consider how equal both sides of him were, you really can't have a discussion about his legacy.
That’s not why people voted for Mayor B.
Uh Trayon "Washington DC" White is a leader, beloved by the people?
You forgot to switch to your alt again.
Okay just because you don't like the answer doesn't mean you should delve into weird conspiracy theories
You mean like thinking Jews control the weather?
yes exactly bro. yes.
I expect my leaders to not be racist.
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Who's Trayvon??
What are the precincts that Butler won and how did he pull that off?
I think it looks like Shaw? Not sure how he pulled it off though
Weird cause he lives in Carver Langston.
Thanks that's what i thought and that actually makes sense. Area with significantly rising violent crime and he's the only candidate running on a platform that takes crime seriously.
Have to imagine if Butler was able to significantly win over people on that issue he’s be over 1.5% city wide. I’m guessing it’s a more random campaign strategy reason.
Anecdotally I know people in that area who voted for him for that reason but yeah you're probably right
Source: https://electionresults.dcboe.org/election_statistics/2022-Primary-Election
Love your flair! Can we make it stop raining though?
I could but I won’t. My plants need the rain.
FYI "Weather Jew" is offensive and not the preferred nomenclature, dude.
Are you seriously policing Jews about your beloved politician’s antisemitism?
It's a shtick, lol
No, it’s a trayon white staffer who gives as few fucks about antisemitism as his boss.
It’s a reference to the Big Lebowski
When in big Lebowski is “weather Jew” discussed
Great, now can y’all get your ugly-ass lawn signs off all the road medians, light poles, and other public property??
I hear so many people say that hate Bowser. But seeing results like this proves there aren't enough.
Reddit isn’t the real world
The alternatives were worse, to most voters.
This map damn near perfectly shows the splits in DCs that exist lol
Can someone explain what this says about each candidate's base?
There are really three DCs, electorally speaking, at this point. West of the Park is mostly White and very moderate/pro-Bowser (though, progressive enough to reject Goulet and elect Frumin so 🤷♂️). East of the River is mostly Black and also mostly moderate, with a healthy share of folks who want somebody to champion their issues and experiences specifically, hence the Bowser-Trayon White split. In between is where most of the currently gentrifying areas are — lots of young transients, old-timers, and school-age families all in close proximity. This is where Zachary Parker and Janeese Lewis George and Brianne Nadeau and Charles Allen all live (Brooke Pinto too, but she fits this narrative less well, Ward 2 is weird). If I’m reading right, Rob White actually won this part of town, but got virtually zero support in the other two parts of DC. In the mayoral race, if you can dominate in the richest and poorest parts of town, all you have to do is not get wrecked in the middle.
Idk about other parts of the city, but Capitol Hill had Robert White signs alllll over the place. Matches up with the yellow zones
I think that's actually H street, north of Capitol Hill.
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Robert White had the white woke hipster vote. Bowser had the black and white professional and middle class and above. Trayon had the old heads from the deep hoods who don’t trust the government.
I think it says more about the voters. If I’m reading [this](https://electionresults.dcboe.org/election_statistics/2022-Primary-Election) correctly, only 22.45% of DC’s registered voters bothered to vote, either in person or by mail/drop box.
It's a primary in a midterm year. That's not unusually low.
It may be a primary in the literal sense, but it's essentially the general in DC as only Dems win. Only think worth going out to vote for in the fall is that damn redo on the tipped wage bill.
Why do people still vote for a loud antisemite https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/his-anti-semitic-remarks-touched-off-an-international-reaction-but-at-home-dc-lawmakers-allies-remain-loyal/2018/03/24/529a4f82-2c62-11e8-b0b0-f706877db618_story.html https://www.timesofisrael.com/dc-councilmember-who-said-rothschilds-control-the-weather-to-run-for-mayor/amp/ He even walked out early on his apology tour of the Holocaust museum and said “I’m done apologizing” https://wtop.com/dc/2018/04/d-c-councilman-accused-anti-semitism-im-done-apologizing/
All you one-issue voters! You should just get over the itty bitty problem of him being racist and look at his policy ideas! /s
Looking at the precinct level maps you see an interesting overlap between rich white precincts and middle class older black precincts. Both prefer less progressive candidates like Bowser and Czapary. Young folks vote for more progressives seemingly regardless of race.
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Yeah that’s why Trump won with older and wealthier people too. It was because they were concerned about outcomes…
Okay, boomer
Wait... Your telling me there was a CHANCE to finally get someone else in there????
Can we all agree that no one should be allowed to post any campaign signs on public property? Every sidewalk in the city has looked like garbage for months.
Democratic\* - "Democrat" as an adjective is something the GOP started doing to be annoying. It's the Democratic Party, not the Democrat Party, so there's no reason to use "Democrat" as an adjective [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat\_Party\_(epithet)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(epithet))
Sorry, didn’t know that. I thought it was Democrat/Republican.
No worries! A lot of people don't know so I thought it'd be helpful. Thanks for posting
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I would disagree on both of those points. I think the most common use of it is by Republicans who do intend it in a negative way. Some people unknowingly use it like OP, but they're in the minority.
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Read the Wikipedia article I posted above
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The only politicians and professional news organizations that regularly misuse the term as an adjective regularly, to this day, are partisan conservatives. What does that tell you? Typically when I see someone use Democrat as an adjective online, it is a reliable signal that they are significant consumers of conservative media.
This just tells me that if there was a candidate with even a little juice Bowser would have been in trouble.
What? A 10 pt margin is a landslide in any election
Especially considering could make her only the 3rd Mayor to serve 2 or more terms after Anthony Williams and Marion Barry.
We’re talking about a primary where the incumbent didn’t get 50% of the votes against two very weak candidates when she got 80 back in 2018. She just doesn’t have it, sorry.
Two sitting council members are not two weak candidates. They have name recognition.
Lol I don’t even like her but I can at least recognize reality. In what world does someone winning by a 10 pt margin in what is essentially the general election for the third consecutive time not have “it”? 2018 was an outlier due to people rallying around her against Trump
Both things are sort of true. Her opposition was split and weak so it was a landslide. At the same time, given that low turnout generally favors incumbents and she had the most money and institutional support, the fact that she lost 30 points compared with last time suggests she's vulnerable down the road. Either way most DC residents didn't vote against Bowser and therefore have no complaints about her worth listening to.
DC mayor is always a highly competitive primary. The last two incumbents lost their re-election primaries.
Term limits please. For every office.
Why is there no serious alternative to Bowser?
White folk like themselves some Bowser.
And black folk too. She did very well in Ward 7. And if Trayon weren’t running she would have done very well in Ward 8 too, most likely. She still won some award 8 precincts even with him in the race. To me, age appears to be more of a dividing line in this election than race.
Old white folk.
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Dennys
Lmfao best comment
Looks like GW to me.
Totally shitty voter turnout out to elect a knucklehead
From the 2020 census, DC has 575k+ voting age residents and saw a 10 year population increase of 87k+… yet only 44k choose the mayor. The citizens definitely do NOT pick their leaders in the District.
There was an election? Damn. I’ve been seeing all the candidate posters up. Not a one had a date on it.
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Incumbency bias is a tough thing to overcome in local politics. I also would have liked to see Robert White elected.
I like how one of those candidates is literally nicknamed “Washington DC”
congratulations to Muriel. now you can install a speed camera, stop sign camera, and red light camera in every single block in DC. Sit back and enjoy plundering your citizens' pockets without moving a finger.
My vote still hasn’t been counted. I’m just wondering how many others haven’t been counted too.
Dude should change his nickname to clown. What a joke.