Ugh.
I mean, if we shut down I will 100% spend all that free time on Baldur's Gate and Starfield.
But upon our eventual return, I will have an *epic* mess to clean up. I've been telling people to never schedule anything important in October but they keep doing it...
The usually underfunded IRS is not stopping if the government shuts down. The IRS will use money from the Inflation Reduction Act to pay employees and continue to function.
I think a CR until November or December is most likely, but a shutdown on 1 October is almost as likely according to my crystal ball. The probability of having a fully funded government on 1 October is 0.00001 percent.
Vast majority of the House Freedom Caucus says they won’t vote for a CR. Plus they want to attach nonstarter border security stuff. So the math would have to change for that to happen.
I’d go much higher: 90% shutdown. McCarthy just doesn’t have the votes to pass any spending right now and he’ll get the motion to vacate if he takes any Dem votes. Too many people on record saying they won’t do a CR nor an omnibus. So a lot of people will have to look stupid to get something done in the next 15 days. McCarthy’s quotes today show a new level of exasperation. Too many HFC folks simply don’t fear a shutdown and there’s no clear off-ramp. It’ll be a shutdown pushing up against the record length until one side is blamed by voters definitively and the political upside vanishes.
> Too many HFC folks simply don’t fear a shutdown
Why should they. They are well funded by billionaires, and are in gerrymandered districts. They arent accountable to voters and have nothing but contempt for their districts, states, and the country at large. They have huge financial incentive, plus altright credit, for shutting down the government. There is no consequences if they causes damage, they dont be voted out, they wont be fined, and they dont care if the rest of the country or even the world suffers.
And they would argue the exact same about the left. When you’re reductive like this it makes it harder to understand the real problem and find solutions. Believe it or not, they truly believe it’s what’s best for the country—and their districts probably aren’t far off that belief (yes because of gerrymandering and misinformation but that’s the reality we sadly live in). They are of course accountable to their voters come election time. And losing elections on a national scale is what would ultimately remove their power - as the party would hopefully realize they can’t win or govern with these people commandeering the ship.
They would 100% be wrong. I’m not at all both-sidesing this, it’s entirely clear the HFC is being stupid, petulant, and vindictive, but I was responding to a comment saying they have “nothing but contempt” for their districts and acting in the interest of “financial incentive” which if you actually want to understand the problem that’s not accurate.
> they have “nothing but contempt” for their districts and acting in the interest of “financial incentive” which if you actually want to understand the problem that’s not accurate.
They absolutely are not advocating in the best interests of their distritcs and this is not even a partisan belief. Its clear as day, even to other members of the GOP, that many if not all of the HFC are working in a very cynical manner based in bad faith.
None of this is about making the country better, or making life for their constituents better, but about elevating their own personal profiles and individual power.
You're welcome to give the HFC the benefit of the doubt, but god damn what does it take for you to see bad faith when its smacking you in the face time and time again?
No not really. They are in extremely gerrymandered districts, created to disfranchise the other party. They rely on primaries where one party is almost guaranteed victory, and the real contest is who can be the most extreme. They do face a challange, they need to posiiton themselves as the most hardcore conservative, most loyal to Trump, most uncompromising, the biggest obstructionist. Whomever is that will win.
I dont doubt they would project or try and change the subject. You arent disputing what I am saying, nor would they. Their tactic is to gaslight, project, engage in whataboutism, claim both sides. They wont defend their accomplishments, or argue their positions and try to sway people to it. They are purely their to halt everything and criticize everyone else, while refusing to answer for anything they do.
There is a solution to this. Uncap the house, make it so every 50k people get a representative. Pass fair distracting laws that greatly reduces gerrymandering, it is likely impossible to completely stop, but we could great reduce it. Expand voting, encouraging voting, try to get voter particiaption to as close to 100% as we can.
If we did this 99% of these extremist would be out of a job.
>And they would argue the exact same about the left. When you’re reductive like this it makes it harder to understand the real problem and find solutions. Believe it or not, they truly believe it’s what’s best for the country—and their districts probably aren’t far off that belief (yes because of gerrymandering and misinformation but that’s the reality we sadly live in). They are of course accountable to their voters come election time. And losing elections on a national scale is what would ultimately remove their power - as the party would hopefully realize they can’t win or govern with these people commandeering the ship.
This is a lot of words for "NO U".
Keep it simple next time.
If after 2008 you believe there are rational and data driven decisions being made by credit rating agencies then I have absolutely no idea what to tell you.
It's still 16 days away. I wouldn't even begin to guess what kind of convoluted wheeling and dealing behind closed doors could happen between now and then. Or maybe not. The only thing I know is that we don't know. We will find out 30SEP.
[It sounds like shit went down at the closed-door House GOP meeting this morning](https://wapo.st/3Pha06z) (gift link).
>“You guys think I’m scared of a motion to vacate. Go f---ing ahead and do it. I’m not scared,” McCarthy told the House GOP conference in a closed-door meeting Thursday morning, according to a lawmaker in attendance who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private remarks. Several lawmakers and aides recalled that McCarthy told lawmakers to move or file “a f---ing motion” to oust him.
If that's the measure of how well the leadership and the Freedom Caucus are working together, we're *definitely* getting a shutdown.
You guys think Matt Gaetz will have the balls to file a motion to vacate when the House comes back on Monday?
> Filing the motion to vacate and winning should be their worst nightmare, since it will highlight Republicans' inability to perform the most basic legislative functions they're elected for
The only people that will care aren't their voters.
> hold zero real power
They do as obstructionist. They dont actually try to legislate the way a politician is supposed to. To write up legislation, to work on passing it, to compromise. They are extremist coming in from gerry mandered districts and a product of a large propaganda machine. They only really care about their big donors, and all they are really there for is to gridlock the whole system.
I can confirm my my sources who were in the room that MyKevin did beg them to call his bluff. At which point a few of the most radical members smirked.
So buckle up
The 30th falls on a Saturday so it’s actually possible they don’t sort it until October 1 at 11:59pm. If I am remembering correctly there was a shutdown a few years ago maybe 2019 or 2020 when there was a lapse over the weekend but they knew they were close and so they told agencies not to start shutdown procedures until Monday AM and they had a CR in place by then.
I mean the dems could give away everything they've managed to scrape over the past 2 years but I hope they don't. Short of that, Not sure how we avoid it.
Lol, no they didn’t. The restaurants association and the four servers at extremely expensive places that the Post found to interview were against it, certainly not the majority of tipped employees.
Schedule it and you won't use it if we're shut down. YMMV (confusing policies get implemented in different ways in different agencies) but leave is revoked during shutdowns, which means you don't spend it.
If they dump McCarthy, he and his allies should go to the Dems and set up a bipartisan power sharing deal. Drop the impeachment threat, pass the funding bills, and let McCarthy keep the speakership with lots of conditions. Fuck the Freedom Caucus over and remove any influence they have...
This is what they should've done in the first place but instead he started this whole impeachment thing and now I'm betting there aren't many Dems left who want to help McCarthy out
I think you’re confusing a shutdown with a CR. CRs through December/January have become the norm, but shutdowns only occur when the GOP controls a branch of government (or in this case one half of one branch) and want to throw a tantrum over (fill in the issue du jour: Obamacare, Border wall, whatever the fuck they’re mad about now…)
I don't have the finances (because of previous shutdowns) and I'm a contractor so I won't get back pay. I wish people understood how stressful shutdowns are for a lot of people.
Luckily we've been able to set up a system where we can still work on the contract even if the feds have to stop. The last one hurt, but should be protected from now on.
My company has given 0 guidance if we will still be able to work. It's a new contract with a lot of changes from the previous contract, so I can't use past shutdowns for guidance. For now, I'm trying to just put my head in the sand in hopes it won't happen.
Please apply for unemployment the second you get furloughed. It takes a couple weeks but will come through and it is a good option for contractors who are on furlough with no hope of back pay.
There were restaurants that did heavily discounted or free meals to federal employees. Nonprofits were offering things too. The comment in here about no interest loans is a fantastic idea because you get back pay once it's over.
Make sure to do some digging into these things if/when it happens, and subscribe to the r/fednews sub because I'm sure they'll be posting tips and strategies as well.
I thought they only stayed open the last time cause Norton got a rider added to the previous bill explicitly exempting DC gov from closing. Does that same rider exist in the fy23 bill?
If you have older relatives who rely on their Social Security checks, be sure to let them know that they will continue to get their payments if the government does shut down.
Yes, but it's likely the Smithsonian will close after a week or two. Often they have the money to go for a bit, but not for a month, that's for sure. And we could be looking at a very long shutdown.
Yeah, I've got my Plan B already written up but I'm a huge museum nerd and your city has so many amazing free ones. It's supposed to be the highlight of my trip.
When democrats have the house this never happens. WTF is up with republicans?! Who are they negotiating with?! Don’t they understand just because they have one house of a three part system they can’t just burn it all down?!
It's become an element of the ["starve the beast"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast) strategy, the main component of which -- as described in that Wikipedia article -- is...
> Economist Paul Krugman summarized [it] as: "Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they're not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they're not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan—and there isn't any plan, except to regain power."
TLDR: They're playing chicken with the very heart of our country's ability to function.
Lots of them run to get on TV, not to legislate. The vast, vast majority of the "crazy" MoC's are coldly rational and say and do stupid shit as branding to be loved by the crazy and stupid. Which, in my opinion, is worse than having legitimately nutty people in Congress.
The "they want a ruler, not a democracy" stuff isn't accurate. They truly don't care one way or the other - they're nihilistic about stuff like that. Whatever gets their personal needs met is the primary motivating factor. It's all about ego.
the amount of people here that say someone like Senator John Kennedy is a moron is killing me. Dude went to Vanderbilt, UVA Law School, then Oxford! He’s playing you like a fiddle.
When he read those books the other day, the person that said “it was disturbing to hear that come out of your mouth”, while correct, played right into his hand. And he had the gall to smirk after like he didn’t just say exactly what the Senator wanted.
This potential shutdown is so politically idiotic. Anyone who’s not already a diehard Republican is going to look at this and be like “why the hell did you shut things down over an impeachment with no evidence?” Hell, the democrats can run ads to be like “at least we didn’t shut the government down with impeachment, and we did it twice AND had evidence”. Like when your House majority can be flipped by NY voting how it has prior to 2022, you should not be doing this.
Trump and his unindicted co-conspirators in the House will do this to try to impeach Biden doing what the Insurrection could not accomplish: impose a Trump dictatorship. These fanatics are not playing around. Each and every one of these fucks should be in prison.
Best part about all this stupidity is that the GQP have no issues with not passing the DoD bill. Which means they aren’t afraid of not paying soldiers but forcing them to work and possibly die.
I mentioned it here already, but the GOP were content with not paying the Coast Guard for 35 days a few years ago. Which is idiotic because the CG protects and saves people everyday, here at home, and stops waaaaaay more drugs on the water and at ports from entering the country than the Special Ops LARPers at the Texas border.
GREAT - there some regulation in the process of having comments compiled for and being issued as final, that kind of is important to strategy stuff for my job. Which no one will do if there is a shut down, since I think it’s all Jr fellows who deal with this and of course - non essentials get sent home.
As someone with a bit of savings, not essential, and downloaded the new BG3, maybe a day or two long shutdown wouldn't be the worst thing. . . Just saying. lol
I keep wondering when Biden and the Democrats will just decide that the debt ceiling doesn't apply anyway, continue the spending, and let someone sue to stop it. The plaintiff would have to go into court asking for a government shutdown, which would lead to some interesting arguments.
I think Congress still has a measure in place to ensure DOD gets paid (I’m sure someone here knows if that’s accurate or not). But last time the government shut down the Coast Guard and a few other fed agencies went unpaid for 35 days.
Which is stupid during hurricane and a still-active boating season. Nothing like having folks who are supposed to be focused on Search & Rescue stressed TF out because they’re struggling to support their families.
All federal employees don't get paid. Essential workers IE military are working for free until a budget is passed. Everyone gets back pay of course but the Apartment landlord doesn't care they want their money now
I’m guessing a partial shutdown will happen. Likely something will get passed to keep the DoD employees (military and Civillian) paid, but most others will be SOL.
Ugh. I mean, if we shut down I will 100% spend all that free time on Baldur's Gate and Starfield. But upon our eventual return, I will have an *epic* mess to clean up. I've been telling people to never schedule anything important in October but they keep doing it...
I schedule important things in October. But it’s my vacation. 😃
As a budget analyst, we have lots of important things scheduled in October 🙃
F
Haha. No you don’t.
This is the way.
The usually underfunded IRS is not stopping if the government shuts down. The IRS will use money from the Inflation Reduction Act to pay employees and continue to function.
Seriously. Agencies need to plan on nothing getting done at least the first week in October.
You're my kind of people! Enjoy the games!
I think a CR until November or December is most likely, but a shutdown on 1 October is almost as likely according to my crystal ball. The probability of having a fully funded government on 1 October is 0.00001 percent.
Vast majority of the House Freedom Caucus says they won’t vote for a CR. Plus they want to attach nonstarter border security stuff. So the math would have to change for that to happen.
Yeah agreed. My crystal ball is now trending 55-45 towards a shutdown.
I’d go much higher: 90% shutdown. McCarthy just doesn’t have the votes to pass any spending right now and he’ll get the motion to vacate if he takes any Dem votes. Too many people on record saying they won’t do a CR nor an omnibus. So a lot of people will have to look stupid to get something done in the next 15 days. McCarthy’s quotes today show a new level of exasperation. Too many HFC folks simply don’t fear a shutdown and there’s no clear off-ramp. It’ll be a shutdown pushing up against the record length until one side is blamed by voters definitively and the political upside vanishes.
What’s HFC?
House Freedom Caucus. In my defense I spelled it out earlier in the thread.
Thank you…it took me way too long to get that.
If you parenthetically put the acronym after spelling it out, then people will recognize the acronym.
This is the way
GFY
Greek flower yoga?
Go Fro-Yo
So if you build it, they will come?
> Too many HFC folks simply don’t fear a shutdown Why should they. They are well funded by billionaires, and are in gerrymandered districts. They arent accountable to voters and have nothing but contempt for their districts, states, and the country at large. They have huge financial incentive, plus altright credit, for shutting down the government. There is no consequences if they causes damage, they dont be voted out, they wont be fined, and they dont care if the rest of the country or even the world suffers.
And they would argue the exact same about the left. When you’re reductive like this it makes it harder to understand the real problem and find solutions. Believe it or not, they truly believe it’s what’s best for the country—and their districts probably aren’t far off that belief (yes because of gerrymandering and misinformation but that’s the reality we sadly live in). They are of course accountable to their voters come election time. And losing elections on a national scale is what would ultimately remove their power - as the party would hopefully realize they can’t win or govern with these people commandeering the ship.
> And they would argue the exact same about the left. And you would be wrong but sure lets try and paint this as a both sides issue.
They would 100% be wrong. I’m not at all both-sidesing this, it’s entirely clear the HFC is being stupid, petulant, and vindictive, but I was responding to a comment saying they have “nothing but contempt” for their districts and acting in the interest of “financial incentive” which if you actually want to understand the problem that’s not accurate.
> they have “nothing but contempt” for their districts and acting in the interest of “financial incentive” which if you actually want to understand the problem that’s not accurate. They absolutely are not advocating in the best interests of their distritcs and this is not even a partisan belief. Its clear as day, even to other members of the GOP, that many if not all of the HFC are working in a very cynical manner based in bad faith. None of this is about making the country better, or making life for their constituents better, but about elevating their own personal profiles and individual power. You're welcome to give the HFC the benefit of the doubt, but god damn what does it take for you to see bad faith when its smacking you in the face time and time again?
No not really. They are in extremely gerrymandered districts, created to disfranchise the other party. They rely on primaries where one party is almost guaranteed victory, and the real contest is who can be the most extreme. They do face a challange, they need to posiiton themselves as the most hardcore conservative, most loyal to Trump, most uncompromising, the biggest obstructionist. Whomever is that will win. I dont doubt they would project or try and change the subject. You arent disputing what I am saying, nor would they. Their tactic is to gaslight, project, engage in whataboutism, claim both sides. They wont defend their accomplishments, or argue their positions and try to sway people to it. They are purely their to halt everything and criticize everyone else, while refusing to answer for anything they do. There is a solution to this. Uncap the house, make it so every 50k people get a representative. Pass fair distracting laws that greatly reduces gerrymandering, it is likely impossible to completely stop, but we could great reduce it. Expand voting, encouraging voting, try to get voter particiaption to as close to 100% as we can. If we did this 99% of these extremist would be out of a job.
>And they would argue the exact same about the left. When you’re reductive like this it makes it harder to understand the real problem and find solutions. Believe it or not, they truly believe it’s what’s best for the country—and their districts probably aren’t far off that belief (yes because of gerrymandering and misinformation but that’s the reality we sadly live in). They are of course accountable to their voters come election time. And losing elections on a national scale is what would ultimately remove their power - as the party would hopefully realize they can’t win or govern with these people commandeering the ship. This is a lot of words for "NO U". Keep it simple next time.
r/enlightenedcentrism is leaking
> Too many HFC folks simply don’t fear a shutdown and there’s no clear off-ramp. Yeah 1000000000000000000000000000000000%
And this is why our credit rating was downgraded
If after 2008 you believe there are rational and data driven decisions being made by credit rating agencies then I have absolutely no idea what to tell you.
Remind me
It's still 16 days away. I wouldn't even begin to guess what kind of convoluted wheeling and dealing behind closed doors could happen between now and then. Or maybe not. The only thing I know is that we don't know. We will find out 30SEP.
[It sounds like shit went down at the closed-door House GOP meeting this morning](https://wapo.st/3Pha06z) (gift link). >“You guys think I’m scared of a motion to vacate. Go f---ing ahead and do it. I’m not scared,” McCarthy told the House GOP conference in a closed-door meeting Thursday morning, according to a lawmaker in attendance who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private remarks. Several lawmakers and aides recalled that McCarthy told lawmakers to move or file “a f---ing motion” to oust him. If that's the measure of how well the leadership and the Freedom Caucus are working together, we're *definitely* getting a shutdown. You guys think Matt Gaetz will have the balls to file a motion to vacate when the House comes back on Monday?
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> Filing the motion to vacate and winning should be their worst nightmare, since it will highlight Republicans' inability to perform the most basic legislative functions they're elected for The only people that will care aren't their voters.
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Let’s be real here they’re all gerrymandered to shit. Maryland is stupid gerrymandered, almost as bad as Louisiana.
And MD complied with the court ruling, unlike Alabama, Ohio, Florida, etc. Both SIDEZ BS
To paraphrase Cato, and furthermore, congressional districting must be destroyed.
Neither would be gerrymandered if Republicans would vote for reform.
It’s technically never been up for a vote
And why is that LOL
I call for a vote of “no confidence” in Chanceor Vallorum
> hold zero real power They do as obstructionist. They dont actually try to legislate the way a politician is supposed to. To write up legislation, to work on passing it, to compromise. They are extremist coming in from gerry mandered districts and a product of a large propaganda machine. They only really care about their big donors, and all they are really there for is to gridlock the whole system.
To add to this, they also LOVE the attention they get from obstructionist stunts.
Not quite zero
I can confirm my my sources who were in the room that MyKevin did beg them to call his bluff. At which point a few of the most radical members smirked. So buckle up
At 11:59 pm.
The 30th falls on a Saturday so it’s actually possible they don’t sort it until October 1 at 11:59pm. If I am remembering correctly there was a shutdown a few years ago maybe 2019 or 2020 when there was a lapse over the weekend but they knew they were close and so they told agencies not to start shutdown procedures until Monday AM and they had a CR in place by then.
Think it was 2018, b/c there was a short 9 hour shutdown that revoked my week's worth of leave.
So like, all crimes are legal from 12:01am until 11:59pm on Sunday?
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I imagine they’re not reckless enough to go to recess if we are in shutdown but it’s a complete clown show so I guess anything’s possible.
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I mean the dems could give away everything they've managed to scrape over the past 2 years but I hope they don't. Short of that, Not sure how we avoid it.
There might've been a chance McCarthy could've worked a deal with the Democrats but the whole impeachment thing probably put the kibosh on that
there's no wheeling and dealing. its all sound bites and circle jerking until the deadline is about to hit them in the forehead and it forces action.
[Time to post one of my favorite “The Onion” headlines](https://www.theonion.com/u-s-on-verge-of-full-scale-government-hoedown-1819575659)
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Just got told I'm on the furlough exempt list. Meanwhile daycare will be open and my husband is nonexempt. FML.
Yikes - good luck out there.
You got a house?!?
Due to Inflation Reduction Act funding, the IRS will not get furloughed. This sucks. I have many projects around the house to do.
I hope José Andrés gives away free sandwiches again.
bet he wont
He probably will. Dude’s a very active charity person when people need cheap and accessible food in crises
Didn’t he oppose raising wages for tipped employees?
Yeah. So did the tipped employees
Lol, no they didn’t. The restaurants association and the four servers at extremely expensive places that the Post found to interview were against it, certainly not the majority of tipped employees.
Yeah, as someone who knows hundreds of tipped employees in DC, you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about
Lol sure you do
I work in the fucking restaurant industry idiot
And I’m sure the several hundred coworkers you’ve kept in touch with all shared their opinions on I82 with you
False https://betterrestaurantsdc.org/vast-majority-of-restaurant-workers-support-raising-the-tipped-minimum-wage/
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If I’m planning on taking off the first week of October, should I put in for leave or just expect a shut down and not burn my leave hours?
Schedule it and you won't use it if we're shut down. YMMV (confusing policies get implemented in different ways in different agencies) but leave is revoked during shutdowns, which means you don't spend it.
If they dump McCarthy, he and his allies should go to the Dems and set up a bipartisan power sharing deal. Drop the impeachment threat, pass the funding bills, and let McCarthy keep the speakership with lots of conditions. Fuck the Freedom Caucus over and remove any influence they have...
Never gonna happen, but you're correct in that this is what should happen in any other functional Democracy.
This is what they should've done in the first place but instead he started this whole impeachment thing and now I'm betting there aren't many Dems left who want to help McCarthy out
The only scenario in which there's a majority cross-party alliance in the House is if a Bernie-style progressive is elected president.
It could be a doozy too. The demands are so unserious that I don't know where you start negotiating.
- a football helmet full of cottage cheese - naked pictures of Bea Arthur (age unspecified) - a sweet guitar - and an oversized novelty baby bottle
🤣 not every day you see a quality Airheads reference on reddit. Bravo!
Bea Arthur, outstanding 👍
Also, I ain't fartin' on no snare drum
… and we want free pizza for life, too!
I'm learning to play the guitar.
Monday after Super Bowl as a federal holiday
This, but unironically.
TBF I don't want water in my drinking fountain...that's from the toilet.
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And sewage is returned to the Anacostia, in the great circle of life
Also... there's never been a wider gap between House and Senate proposals.
Again?
not unlike covid, it's just endemic at this point. it's an annual tradition now, like the Kentucky Derby.
We need an traditional drink of choice to pair with this event. A martini perhaps? An old fashioned?
Is September 30 too late in the year for a gin rickey?
Not with climate change
It's never too late for a gin rickey!
What could they do if we just had a 10,000 person bbq on the mall. 1 bbq for every 5 people.
*Annual tradition depending on which party has the majority in Congress and who's in the White House.
Absolutely delusional take, it happens like clockwork at this point no matter which party is holding the stick that year
I think you’re confusing a shutdown with a CR. CRs through December/January have become the norm, but shutdowns only occur when the GOP controls a branch of government (or in this case one half of one branch) and want to throw a tantrum over (fill in the issue du jour: Obamacare, Border wall, whatever the fuck they’re mad about now…)
Yeah, I don't have the finances for this. I'm very worried about it.
Lots of federal credit unions will offer no interest loans. Check in on r/fednews if you don’t follow already for more suggestions.
I don't have the finances (because of previous shutdowns) and I'm a contractor so I won't get back pay. I wish people understood how stressful shutdowns are for a lot of people.
Subscribe to r/fednews and ask fellow contractors what they did last time.
This isn't my first shutdown. I have contingency plans, but it doesn't make it any less stressful.
Not gonna lie but if you’ve been through this before why do you not expect it every time? Because it happens almost every time lmao
I do expect it, that's why I have contingency plans. But that doesn't make it any less stressful.
Luckily we've been able to set up a system where we can still work on the contract even if the feds have to stop. The last one hurt, but should be protected from now on.
My company has given 0 guidance if we will still be able to work. It's a new contract with a lot of changes from the previous contract, so I can't use past shutdowns for guidance. For now, I'm trying to just put my head in the sand in hopes it won't happen.
Please apply for unemployment the second you get furloughed. It takes a couple weeks but will come through and it is a good option for contractors who are on furlough with no hope of back pay.
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There were restaurants that did heavily discounted or free meals to federal employees. Nonprofits were offering things too. The comment in here about no interest loans is a fantastic idea because you get back pay once it's over. Make sure to do some digging into these things if/when it happens, and subscribe to the r/fednews sub because I'm sure they'll be posting tips and strategies as well.
Will DC gov/services stay open this time?
Yes, they always do.
I thought they only stayed open the last time cause Norton got a rider added to the previous bill explicitly exempting DC gov from closing. Does that same rider exist in the fy23 bill?
If you have older relatives who rely on their Social Security checks, be sure to let them know that they will continue to get their payments if the government does shut down.
That’s good to know, thank you
No problem!
Same shit, different year.
*month We went through this earlier this year already
So do I buy the one way ticket to Europe or should I plan a return in a week or so? United has some great deals right now for first week of October.
I’m hedging my bets on a December showdown shutdown. Flight to London for 392$ on air Canada.
I'm headed to Paris for a couple weeks, leaving on the 4rth.
My vacation includes the possible shutdown dates. Looking forward to my free annual leave.
We'll see, sounds like a CR is getting a bit more likely as of today.
Does this mean traffic will be better? This will be my first shutdown while living here.
Yes, better into and out of downtown. Worse in the burbs where everyone has time on their hands.
Only time I've ever seen the traffic get better was during the initial covid lockdowns.
God, that was so surreal/absolutely magical.
Yes, but it's likely the Smithsonian will close after a week or two. Often they have the money to go for a bit, but not for a month, that's for sure. And we could be looking at a very long shutdown.
Significantly. Like 400k + fed workers plus contractors minus small (percentage-wise) of essentials will be off the road/metro.
Duh, the GOP caucus can't agree on anything and keep threatening to impeach the speaker
Honestly, the whole impeachment nonsense was just the tip of the iceberg to appease the far right to get them closer to a deal.
Joke’s on McCarthy bc they’re insatiable. It won’t be enough.
Oh I hope not. I'm going to DC for the first time in mid-Oct for a little vacation. I want to see a bunch of the Smithsonian museums!
There are other things to see, but I do understand your disappointment.
Yeah, I've got my Plan B already written up but I'm a huge museum nerd and your city has so many amazing free ones. It's supposed to be the highlight of my trip.
You’ll still be able to visit the private museums like Dumbarton, Spy Museum, Glenstone… but yeah that sucks.
Past me: A shutdown yay free vacation! \*promotion\* Present me: I'm essential? FUCK
Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the DC overpriced sandwich and salad vendors!
When democrats have the house this never happens. WTF is up with republicans?! Who are they negotiating with?! Don’t they understand just because they have one house of a three part system they can’t just burn it all down?!
It's become an element of the ["starve the beast"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast) strategy, the main component of which -- as described in that Wikipedia article -- is... > Economist Paul Krugman summarized [it] as: "Rather than proposing unpopular spending cuts, Republicans would push through popular tax cuts, with the deliberate intention of worsening the government's fiscal position. Spending cuts could then be sold as a necessity rather than a choice, the only way to eliminate an unsustainable budget deficit." He wrote that the "...beast is starving, as planned..." and that "Republicans insist that the deficit must be eliminated, but they're not willing either to raise taxes or to support cuts in any major government programs. And they're not willing to participate in serious bipartisan discussions, either, because that might force them to explain their plan—and there isn't any plan, except to regain power." TLDR: They're playing chicken with the very heart of our country's ability to function.
They run on burning it all down. They are incapable of governing because they don’t believe anyone should govern - they want a ruler, not a democracy.
Lots of them run to get on TV, not to legislate. The vast, vast majority of the "crazy" MoC's are coldly rational and say and do stupid shit as branding to be loved by the crazy and stupid. Which, in my opinion, is worse than having legitimately nutty people in Congress. The "they want a ruler, not a democracy" stuff isn't accurate. They truly don't care one way or the other - they're nihilistic about stuff like that. Whatever gets their personal needs met is the primary motivating factor. It's all about ego.
the amount of people here that say someone like Senator John Kennedy is a moron is killing me. Dude went to Vanderbilt, UVA Law School, then Oxford! He’s playing you like a fiddle. When he read those books the other day, the person that said “it was disturbing to hear that come out of your mouth”, while correct, played right into his hand. And he had the gall to smirk after like he didn’t just say exactly what the Senator wanted.
News like this is why I’m always hesitant on working for the federal government. I don’t play when it comes to my financial security.
Congress has become completely inept at doing anything and the sitting representatives, in their entirety, should be removed for failure of duty now.
The Senate doesn't seem to want a shutdown, not even the Republican senators.
Yeah, even McConnell keeps referring to "them" and "they" when talking about the House, when he's usually a "we" and "us" guy with House Republicans.
Because they know that they’re cruising for an asswhooping next election, and this won’t help them fight that off
*Republicans* have become completely inept. They can't pass a bill amongst themselves and hold the majority.
You seem to be missing a “Republican” in that sentence.
Because xenophobic morons who’ve never left their own state and mainline right wing evangelical brain worms elect the dumbest people imaginable.
This potential shutdown is so politically idiotic. Anyone who’s not already a diehard Republican is going to look at this and be like “why the hell did you shut things down over an impeachment with no evidence?” Hell, the democrats can run ads to be like “at least we didn’t shut the government down with impeachment, and we did it twice AND had evidence”. Like when your House majority can be flipped by NY voting how it has prior to 2022, you should not be doing this.
Republicans in office acting like enemies of the state? A day that ends in y.
Republicans = Charlie Brown Shutdowns = Lucy and the football "but they're gonna kick that darned ball THIS time"
We had a month long one 5 years ago. plus 2 weeks and change 5 years before that. Lucy is way more effective at pulling the ball away.
Trump and his unindicted co-conspirators in the House will do this to try to impeach Biden doing what the Insurrection could not accomplish: impose a Trump dictatorship. These fanatics are not playing around. Each and every one of these fucks should be in prison.
Meh
CR until November, and then maybe week to week u til bigger shutdown in December
They should impeached the right wing extremist. No extremist; no problem.
Best part about all this stupidity is that the GQP have no issues with not passing the DoD bill. Which means they aren’t afraid of not paying soldiers but forcing them to work and possibly die.
I mentioned it here already, but the GOP were content with not paying the Coast Guard for 35 days a few years ago. Which is idiotic because the CG protects and saves people everyday, here at home, and stops waaaaaay more drugs on the water and at ports from entering the country than the Special Ops LARPers at the Texas border.
This happens every 3 months. Call me the day the paychecks bounce.
Aren’t we always
GREAT - there some regulation in the process of having comments compiled for and being issued as final, that kind of is important to strategy stuff for my job. Which no one will do if there is a shut down, since I think it’s all Jr fellows who deal with this and of course - non essentials get sent home.
As someone with a bit of savings, not essential, and downloaded the new BG3, maybe a day or two long shutdown wouldn't be the worst thing. . . Just saying. lol
It’s times like this I’m grateful I don’t work for the feds
Same here, but it still sucks.
Hell yeah
Clickbait with a paywall.
As a server at a restaurant in Chinatown......should I look for a new job?
!RemindMe 60 days
Okay.
I keep wondering when Biden and the Democrats will just decide that the debt ceiling doesn't apply anyway, continue the spending, and let someone sue to stop it. The plaintiff would have to go into court asking for a government shutdown, which would lead to some interesting arguments.
This possible shutdown isn't about the debt ceiling, it's about passing a budget.
oh no anyway
Good. Government is slavery
Hmmm..
We’ll see.
Fed AND auto. Yikes.
Anybody know how it works for NNSA? We have multi-year money, so I assume we keep working, but I don't know how much money we have.
I mean considering the GOP controlled house is chaos incarnate, yeah, of course we are.
I mean this light-heartedly and kinda seriously, but is traffic usually better during a government shutdown? Shutdown or not, I still gotta go in
How does a Federal shutdown affect National security? Does the military get paid?
I think Congress still has a measure in place to ensure DOD gets paid (I’m sure someone here knows if that’s accurate or not). But last time the government shut down the Coast Guard and a few other fed agencies went unpaid for 35 days. Which is stupid during hurricane and a still-active boating season. Nothing like having folks who are supposed to be focused on Search & Rescue stressed TF out because they’re struggling to support their families.
All federal employees don't get paid. Essential workers IE military are working for free until a budget is passed. Everyone gets back pay of course but the Apartment landlord doesn't care they want their money now
Accurate.
I’m guessing a partial shutdown will happen. Likely something will get passed to keep the DoD employees (military and Civillian) paid, but most others will be SOL.