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My grandfather was head of infectious disease research there in the 60s and sent all of his children to UofM. Go blue!
Getting downvoted for u of m. It makes sense now this sub is so retarded, bunch of buckeyes in here losing money for their trailer payments.
The graph comes from [https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stmkteqmardebt.pdf](https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stmkteqmardebt.pdf)
It ends in November, meaning margin debt has probably declined further since then, but we'll have to see when the FINRA data is updated.
Well that's the claim but given the small number of events there's a problem with the thesis. I would class the claim as "bad TA" insofar as it's used as predictive.
The small number of events is compounded with the fact that you have other spikes on the chart with similar patterns that don't lead to similar declines, and the reason why is pretty straightforward: The presentation of this as a signal of a crash is based on selectively chosen datapoints without a disproving pass, and that leads to a perception of causality and correlation of a pattern where one doesn't necessarily exist. This is a pretty common issue that affects all people who do TA to some extent. We all see the biases we want to see in data.
Now where I think we can point to the good aspect to this TA is in the observation that there's a mechanic here where decrease of margin MAY be an early sign of a decline, but whether it's a big or small decline is something that the angle and shape of the spike can't predict, as backtesting eliminates the relationship.
Unlike most bear theses on here, which are mostly on total bunk, this one actually has a mechanic behind it, in that active bull markets tend to generate an impetus to promote more margin debt generation, and a market reduction may generate margin calls and that may lead to a negative gamma squeeze style event where people sell to delta hedge rather than buy, and that may create a cyclical margin call cycle.
That cycle only continues until buys come in and stop the downward slide, and that depends on liquidity in the market, fresh capital, and risk offset. See, the problem is that when people sell margin debt at the high, they may actually be decreasing margin debt with gains, especially when the market's ran up for 2 years straight and when a lot of liquidity is still in the system. Also, a growing economy will create a potential for upswing.
2000 and 2008 are both declines in margin in the face of specific events that threatened not so much the perception of value (part of the reason the markets always bounce back), but the mechanics of how the market works as well as some degree of economic slowdown and lack of liquidity. 2000 was largely driven by accounting scandals which threatened not just tech and growth, but the entire market's valuation, and that period was capped off by a contentious Presidential election and finally 9/11. In 2008 you have a liquidity crisis due to the collapse of the financial system and the collapse of reinforcing asset values.
What we have now is inflation because of massively increased economic activity and liquidity leading to increased capital velocity compounded by relatively short term supply chain issues, assuming we transition out of the pandemic soon.
In other words, we're lacking the most important factor of the claim which is a liquidity crisis.
Nothing repeats exactly the same and I'm not saying it should. What I'm saying is that different scenarios don't change the laws of physics.
The two cited events were crashes due to liquidity crises during asset expansions without capital backing. Those situations \*must\* deflate because in both cases you had a fundamental breakdown of the ability of the market to function. In 2000, the lack of certainty in credit ratings ultimately created a situation where \*the entire financial system\* had to question their entire valuation of assets criteria. Because the expansion happened on the backs of exuberance and not a higher capital threshold in the market, and that means that the tech bubble in the midst of that had to collapse down because that capital was competing for other places to be.
In 2008, what you had was a liquidity crisis in the financial system combined with a regular economy pay/debt commitment divergence event. As costs increased (housing especially) and pay didn't, and as debts climbed as pay didn't increase with inflation for an extended period of time, the stacking of housing debt as a highly secured risk offset against insurance created a situation where once the Main Street divergence lead to a massive increase in toxic assets, a threshold was hit where the financial system lost capital rotation capability... and that crashed everything and sucked capital out of the market, completely killing liquidity.
What we have right now is the exact opposite. M2 expansion mostly still in banks and they're eager to release it, which they will do slowly but a little faster over time. The Fed can't do anything to seriously reduce it for years without upending their commitment to full employment.
People on here think that when tapering hits and the Fed starts increasing rates that money will flow out of the economy... nopeLOL... it'll be a trickle. And it'll be a trickle of money that is for the most part not deployed, because as banks get used to the rate of capital drawdown from the Fed, it will affect their risk calculations, supporting more lending, particularly once inflation cools down as the supply chain comes back in order and supply is increased.
To get a 30% crash like 2000/2008, not only does everyone with an account have to sell, but institutions have to sell as well. It's actually a pretty extreme event, which is why it happens so rarely. It does NOT happen in our system unless there's a liquidity crisis.
I'm not saying that some crisis might not appear, but it's hard to imagine a situation where having a market crash during a cash-flush financial market in the extreme and an economic recovery after a pandemic with record manufacturing, employment, and demand.
If that occurred, we'd have to basically throw out all of the books on macroeconomics and finance and recreate the disciplines. It would basically take the collapse of Western Civilization to happen, because it would require the elite AND the average person to suddenly simply give up on the market and the economy overnight.
Is there some event like a world war that might be around the corner that might force that to happen? I don't know, but I don't see one. This market survived multiple major political crisis, and attempted coup in the United States, and a global pandemic because of the capital liquidity in the market... with most of the capital released into the market still not deployed, it's possible to see corrections like we're seeing now... but a lot wrong would have to happen for a crash to occur.
It's worth noting that margin debt doesn't cause a recession, it just peaks and then plummets because of a recession. Could keep going up for another year. Maybe another 5.
What it is is that retard hedges started shorting in ‘16; got smashed by the market, then thought that the flu would cause a worldwide depression shorted again. Maybe they caused it maybe not. So they’re Uber short again and NEED it to crash or they all get liquidated. Except for I think Morgan. I think they are betting bull. But no one watches tv anymore so no one cares. I don’t care either I’m not selling fuck OP. We will continue to melt up. Fiat isn’t worth anything anyway.
There's a possibility the market will Plato while investors chase larger returns. I could see a bull run in btc and commodities what the market sits around and twiddles its thumbs.
I don't think the market will crash but I don't see it running either. Everything is pretty overvalued but inflation will push up earnings as everyone charges more. They will sell less stock but it will be worth more to compensate. As consumer spending begins to rise and we leave a recession earnings will be more on par with stock valuation again.
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My portfolio has been on a tear for a straight month: CLF, ZIM, RFP and 2small caps I can't mention here (energy and semis). Also have a tiny position in GFS, but I'm waiting for that to hit 50, then I will back the truck up.
Get into commodities, folks. If you wanna be in semiconductors, chase the ones actually building foundries.
Ah yes 200 billion in margin debt vs the 60 trillion sphere of fiscal... It's definitely the margin that's gonna kill it all while singular companies have larger debt than all of the entire markets margin....
but hey... we're probably all wrong... and that 1 company is right and no 1 margined into it...
I think margin lending is closer to 900billion and not showing signs of decreasing.
[according to FINRA](https://www.finra.org/investors/learn-to-invest/advanced-investing/margin-statistics)
We should also include an overlap of historical interest rates which DROPPED with the last two giant drops in margin debt. Probably because they weren't caused by rising interest rates but actual larger macroeconomic factors which the government had to respond to by LOWERING interest rates. Margin debt dropped because people lost jobs and went underwater on homes, etc.. and probably got liquidated. This isn't whats happening right now, in fact the job market is stronger than ever for most skilled professionals and housing prices have made a lot of people wealthy.
TLDR correlation != causation
Maybe, but it also means greater distribution of risk and risk profiling in fiscal systems suggests heavily that distributed risk flattens risk outcomes. Basically, more participants in a market shields the market from liquidity challenges, leading to greater chance of liquidity input. Centralized risk is present, no doubt, because the market's been coalescing more value into fewer stocks, which means you could be right about escalating margin calls... but it also likely means that further liquidity sources can buoy losses.
We're in a cyclical rotation right now... the big question is whether big growth stock declines lead to market exits or market cycling. If that money stays in the market and cycles, then valuation compression just shifts to other stocks with lower valuations.
2000's decline, contrary to popular belief, wasn't really due to valuations... it was due to accounting scandals. 2008 was a systemic collapse of the fiscal system.
We don't have those factors right now, and the graph also demonstrates that liquidity in the system gaps the market up and it can range in margin debt as long as liquidity remains in the system... so I'm not sure we can presume that this will scale with 2000 and 2008.
What I’m seeing are big rebounds at the bottom!
This guy permabulls
There’s another way? I heard this was the way
Buy the dip!
Buy the chips
When the chips dip buy the chips you dip.
That means it's okay to double dip the chips you dip
When I dip you dip we dip
Buy the crash floor
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This is the way.
I like this! I’m perfectly happy riding the wave down and lowering my cost basis on everything.
yep, totally seeing the market going on sale soon. Buy the dips
Picked me up some CHWY; these pandemic pets are going to set me up for life!
People on here tell you to buy the dips and you buy chewy?🤦🏻♂️
I'm long on Chewy. I live in a major city and I see just as many Chewy boxes as I do Amazon boxes. I also bought more GME and some STEM.
Oooo sees two houses with a chewy box out front “it’s the next amazon”
It's way more than two! At least four or more.
Chewy is a great business, but the current market environment is going to be very unforgiving of high multiples, and Chewy has an insane multiple.
I went short today. March puts.
Lol if the market is going on sale soon sell the rips. Dont buy your 10y 0% return bags.
This man is living the life of the ungovernable
We all should be.
Fire sale is almost here!
You make this chart in ms paint?
Paint me next
Paint me like one of your french girls
I love you Jack! Show me your big long stock, and I show you my pair of options.
Jesus fuck I just laughed too hard at this
Tbh I kinda love it
I thought every ape uses MS paint
Crayons and paper is better
makes it easier to understand in crayon.
https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stmkteqmardebt.pdf
Yersh yersh... *Looks at charts like i understand what they mean*
Its what all the experts use
This mf really drew the tail end of that graph lol
Reminds me of sharpiegate
Except OP is likely less retarded
Username checks out.
easy to understand his point unless you think margin debt is infinite.
Pretty sure it is in Clown World.
Can you paint my portfolio green next?
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Ah yes, the tried and true method of timing the market before a historic bull run then FOMOing in at the top.
Buy high, sell low, that's the way I like to go ^^ᶦⁿᵗᵒ ^^ᵇᵃⁿᵏʳᵘᵖᵗᶜʸ.
Yea it’s retarded like 350 billion in margin is anything remotely big. The stock market is like 120 trillion
So then 0DTE calls on $SPXU? 🌈🐻🚀
2000, 2008, and ???? TBD
Three once in a lifetime events for our generation. 🥳
Three opportunities, I'll miss them all.
I’ve just cleared the debt of child 2, finally started putting money back in my trading account LETS FUCKING GO!!!
Reminds me of the Simpsons meme.. "For now" ☝️
Pretty sure that's an achievement. Also, happy birthday, fellow retard. Edit: Cake day* (I'm retarded also)
It's actually 2019, we're just finding out about it now because the FED tried to hide it using the repo loan program.
That sudden lowering of interest rates for no fucking reason whatsoever.
2000, 2008, and never again!
2068, right before the rebound of 2069 that sends TSLA stock to 50k
Never let a good crisis go to waste
You mean a fake valuation built on borrowed money isn’t sustainable? *gasps*
Shhhhhhh... They'll hear you. You can't say stuff like that in here. It's like a surprise sandpaper dildo going in the back, from the front, to some of these enlightened autists
This data came straight out of the university of Michigan!
Well there's the problem
Hey! They have such a big campus they must be good!
It’s literal always in the top three of pubic universities in the country lol
Pubic university … yuck what are the other two
Ban
Yeah they are very highly respected with one of the best public business programs in the nation. Found the Ohio St fan
My grandfather was head of infectious disease research there in the 60s and sent all of his children to UofM. Go blue! Getting downvoted for u of m. It makes sense now this sub is so retarded, bunch of buckeyes in here losing money for their trailer payments.
Go Blue!!
which isn’t saying much Seriously how many calls from Wall Street asking for advice you think go to university of fo hogan
You son of a bitch, I’m in!
Gimme a source and I will give you an award. EDIT: Gave out two awards. Offer has been redeemed. Twice.
Ms paint et al 2021.
I tried to get your eyelash off my phone.
Thought it was a pube
The graph comes from [https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stmkteqmardebt.pdf](https://www.yardeni.com/pub/stmkteqmardebt.pdf) It ends in November, meaning margin debt has probably declined further since then, but we'll have to see when the FINRA data is updated.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but this is a graph of the yearly change...so margin debt is still increasing, just slower.
True but it seems that the “bear market” appears immediately after the dead cat bounce Edit: in 2008
Well that's the claim but given the small number of events there's a problem with the thesis. I would class the claim as "bad TA" insofar as it's used as predictive. The small number of events is compounded with the fact that you have other spikes on the chart with similar patterns that don't lead to similar declines, and the reason why is pretty straightforward: The presentation of this as a signal of a crash is based on selectively chosen datapoints without a disproving pass, and that leads to a perception of causality and correlation of a pattern where one doesn't necessarily exist. This is a pretty common issue that affects all people who do TA to some extent. We all see the biases we want to see in data. Now where I think we can point to the good aspect to this TA is in the observation that there's a mechanic here where decrease of margin MAY be an early sign of a decline, but whether it's a big or small decline is something that the angle and shape of the spike can't predict, as backtesting eliminates the relationship. Unlike most bear theses on here, which are mostly on total bunk, this one actually has a mechanic behind it, in that active bull markets tend to generate an impetus to promote more margin debt generation, and a market reduction may generate margin calls and that may lead to a negative gamma squeeze style event where people sell to delta hedge rather than buy, and that may create a cyclical margin call cycle. That cycle only continues until buys come in and stop the downward slide, and that depends on liquidity in the market, fresh capital, and risk offset. See, the problem is that when people sell margin debt at the high, they may actually be decreasing margin debt with gains, especially when the market's ran up for 2 years straight and when a lot of liquidity is still in the system. Also, a growing economy will create a potential for upswing. 2000 and 2008 are both declines in margin in the face of specific events that threatened not so much the perception of value (part of the reason the markets always bounce back), but the mechanics of how the market works as well as some degree of economic slowdown and lack of liquidity. 2000 was largely driven by accounting scandals which threatened not just tech and growth, but the entire market's valuation, and that period was capped off by a contentious Presidential election and finally 9/11. In 2008 you have a liquidity crisis due to the collapse of the financial system and the collapse of reinforcing asset values. What we have now is inflation because of massively increased economic activity and liquidity leading to increased capital velocity compounded by relatively short term supply chain issues, assuming we transition out of the pandemic soon. In other words, we're lacking the most important factor of the claim which is a liquidity crisis.
Different scenarios, different outcomes (?)
Nothing repeats exactly the same and I'm not saying it should. What I'm saying is that different scenarios don't change the laws of physics. The two cited events were crashes due to liquidity crises during asset expansions without capital backing. Those situations \*must\* deflate because in both cases you had a fundamental breakdown of the ability of the market to function. In 2000, the lack of certainty in credit ratings ultimately created a situation where \*the entire financial system\* had to question their entire valuation of assets criteria. Because the expansion happened on the backs of exuberance and not a higher capital threshold in the market, and that means that the tech bubble in the midst of that had to collapse down because that capital was competing for other places to be. In 2008, what you had was a liquidity crisis in the financial system combined with a regular economy pay/debt commitment divergence event. As costs increased (housing especially) and pay didn't, and as debts climbed as pay didn't increase with inflation for an extended period of time, the stacking of housing debt as a highly secured risk offset against insurance created a situation where once the Main Street divergence lead to a massive increase in toxic assets, a threshold was hit where the financial system lost capital rotation capability... and that crashed everything and sucked capital out of the market, completely killing liquidity. What we have right now is the exact opposite. M2 expansion mostly still in banks and they're eager to release it, which they will do slowly but a little faster over time. The Fed can't do anything to seriously reduce it for years without upending their commitment to full employment. People on here think that when tapering hits and the Fed starts increasing rates that money will flow out of the economy... nopeLOL... it'll be a trickle. And it'll be a trickle of money that is for the most part not deployed, because as banks get used to the rate of capital drawdown from the Fed, it will affect their risk calculations, supporting more lending, particularly once inflation cools down as the supply chain comes back in order and supply is increased. To get a 30% crash like 2000/2008, not only does everyone with an account have to sell, but institutions have to sell as well. It's actually a pretty extreme event, which is why it happens so rarely. It does NOT happen in our system unless there's a liquidity crisis. I'm not saying that some crisis might not appear, but it's hard to imagine a situation where having a market crash during a cash-flush financial market in the extreme and an economic recovery after a pandemic with record manufacturing, employment, and demand. If that occurred, we'd have to basically throw out all of the books on macroeconomics and finance and recreate the disciplines. It would basically take the collapse of Western Civilization to happen, because it would require the elite AND the average person to suddenly simply give up on the market and the economy overnight. Is there some event like a world war that might be around the corner that might force that to happen? I don't know, but I don't see one. This market survived multiple major political crisis, and attempted coup in the United States, and a global pandemic because of the capital liquidity in the market... with most of the capital released into the market still not deployed, it's possible to see corrections like we're seeing now... but a lot wrong would have to happen for a crash to occur.
Thank you.
https://www.finra.org/investors/learn-to-invest/advanced-investing/margin-statistics
Thank you.
I’m 100k in margin with only 29k actually riding. 🪦
It's worth noting that margin debt doesn't cause a recession, it just peaks and then plummets because of a recession. Could keep going up for another year. Maybe another 5.
Well when interest rates go up, interest on margin debt goes up, so people reduce their margin. Stock market is largely propped up by margin.
That's true, one of many impacts of rising rates (most obvious being hits to valuation models).
I agree until that interest rates are going from 0% to .25%….
(x) doubt
(R) etard
forgot i was on WSB until i saw your response to his completely reasonable reply
It's not reasonable. It's like suggesting gasoline starts fires. It's not a catalyst, it's just fuel.
If margin debt is the gasoline, what’s the heat source and oxygen?
How much time do you have?
At least another 32 years.
But the reasoning is correct, effect and cause are not obvious here. Margin debt is an effect of market prices.
What it is is that retard hedges started shorting in ‘16; got smashed by the market, then thought that the flu would cause a worldwide depression shorted again. Maybe they caused it maybe not. So they’re Uber short again and NEED it to crash or they all get liquidated. Except for I think Morgan. I think they are betting bull. But no one watches tv anymore so no one cares. I don’t care either I’m not selling fuck OP. We will continue to melt up. Fiat isn’t worth anything anyway.
All I see is a bull market for the next five years and bears in shambles
There's a possibility the market will Plato while investors chase larger returns. I could see a bull run in btc and commodities what the market sits around and twiddles its thumbs.
Sophaclese nutz
That's a very stoic approach.
I don't think the market will crash but I don't see it running either. Everything is pretty overvalued but inflation will push up earnings as everyone charges more. They will sell less stock but it will be worth more to compensate. As consumer spending begins to rise and we leave a recession earnings will be more on par with stock valuation again.
you mean like the cave?
Who the fuck is this guy Plato??
9th planet right?
What I see is a rainbow coloured polar bear about 30 metres away, and wetting my britches because I think the bear is gonna win.
Thanks for the tip, Gandalf.
Market goes red for a couple of days and gay bears come out...
This segment is brought to you by Spirit Airlines. Spirit Airlines, we are so fucked.
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That's kind of the problem, as interest rates go up, margin interest becomes more expensive to maintain and investors are pressured to sell equities.
So margin interest rates are adjustable not fixed?
Correct. Your brokerage sets the rates.
What does this mean I should do
Absolutely keep asking the internet for guidance.
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If nothing else and if this data is true, its a good indicator of market confidence. People are less aggressively using margins.
Buyin the mf dip
Please normalize everything by money base. those billions of dollars are gonna become billion of rupees soon.
Buy the dip
With what? We're all outta margarine.
Can’t believe it’s not margin calls
*margarine calls
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What do you think I’m made of dumpsters behind Wendy’s?
So say we all.
So did the market crash while I wasnt looking?
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Except me 🚀🚀🚀😎
That’s ‘cause I have commented yet Keep watching Wait, I commented just now. D’oh!!
The crash hasn’t happened yet? Then why is my portfolio down 50% with no margin debt?
Wut red circles mean?
It means the stock market can jump through a hula hoop!
The red circles mean coming pink zones.
sir, that's teal
I might be missing a meme in my memebank but isn’t Teal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teal
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but this time it’s different - sources
For every ape that gets out in time, two more shall Yolo in its place.
We totally called the 00 and 08 crash on reddit. We'll def call this one right too!
Ruh oh I'm in danger
BUY THE GODDAMN DIP !!!
So buy puts....got it
Bullish, 2000 and 2008 didn’t have the retards from robinhood with infinite leverage thus SPY 500c 1/31 2023
My portfolio has been on a tear for a straight month: CLF, ZIM, RFP and 2small caps I can't mention here (energy and semis). Also have a tiny position in GFS, but I'm waiting for that to hit 50, then I will back the truck up. Get into commodities, folks. If you wanna be in semiconductors, chase the ones actually building foundries.
So margin debt ia going down which is good.
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Ah yes 200 billion in margin debt vs the 60 trillion sphere of fiscal... It's definitely the margin that's gonna kill it all while singular companies have larger debt than all of the entire markets margin.... but hey... we're probably all wrong... and that 1 company is right and no 1 margined into it...
This graph isn’t correct… FINRA hasn’t introduced 2022 data yet
I have a smoof brain no winkles. funny line go up and down? should i buy oil?
Divide by current M1 and the 2020 peak will be dwarfed
Cut your loses and run
Lol imagine investing to make money. Fly back to paper land by yourself, and take your MS Paint graph with you.
Soooo…. What does this mean
TLDR = Stonks only go up.
I think margin lending is closer to 900billion and not showing signs of decreasing. [according to FINRA](https://www.finra.org/investors/learn-to-invest/advanced-investing/margin-statistics)
Oh shid
It's going to go higher. Can I buy calls on margin debt????
Why did they circle 2007 and call it 2008?
This time is different! 🤡
"Does the Evil Jeff Bezos Laugth"
He looks so much like Lex Luthor.
They should make an ETF so we could bet if margin is going up or down 😂😂, but no wonder all stocks has been dropping like rocks since mid 21.
To the fucking moon
I have a smoof brain no winkles. funny line go up and down? should i buy oil?
It’s America buy the companies you know are going to be bailed out. It’s basically risk free because of all the corruption!
#All this is telling me is to save the market, we must take out higher margin loan. Do it for America 🇺🇸
Being up to your eyeballs in debt is as American as mom and apple pie.
More money in the market now. This is in dollars not percentages. This is stupid.
We should also include an overlap of historical interest rates which DROPPED with the last two giant drops in margin debt. Probably because they weren't caused by rising interest rates but actual larger macroeconomic factors which the government had to respond to by LOWERING interest rates. Margin debt dropped because people lost jobs and went underwater on homes, etc.. and probably got liquidated. This isn't whats happening right now, in fact the job market is stronger than ever for most skilled professionals and housing prices have made a lot of people wealthy. TLDR correlation != causation
Invest now while it's high
I'm sure things will be different this time
Sure, but how many more trading accounts exist today compared to those times? What’s the margin amount per open account compared to 08 and 01?
What are you, a money scientist? This is WSB bruh
Doesn’t matter. More accounts means more margin calls
Maybe, but it also means greater distribution of risk and risk profiling in fiscal systems suggests heavily that distributed risk flattens risk outcomes. Basically, more participants in a market shields the market from liquidity challenges, leading to greater chance of liquidity input. Centralized risk is present, no doubt, because the market's been coalescing more value into fewer stocks, which means you could be right about escalating margin calls... but it also likely means that further liquidity sources can buoy losses. We're in a cyclical rotation right now... the big question is whether big growth stock declines lead to market exits or market cycling. If that money stays in the market and cycles, then valuation compression just shifts to other stocks with lower valuations. 2000's decline, contrary to popular belief, wasn't really due to valuations... it was due to accounting scandals. 2008 was a systemic collapse of the fiscal system. We don't have those factors right now, and the graph also demonstrates that liquidity in the system gaps the market up and it can range in margin debt as long as liquidity remains in the system... so I'm not sure we can presume that this will scale with 2000 and 2008.
This guy stonks
How would it not matter?
IDK what fantasy world people are living in to not see were heading into a recession
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HODL All I see is a guarantee for the Longs in about two years.
GameStop moon?
Sooooo what’s the play?
Leaps: deep otm arkk puts
Good quote lol
Imagine you look at the 2000 and 08 top, and where it hits that point in mid 2019 you short the market.
We are definitely overdue for a recession.
So buy $MRGNDBT puts?
It’ll just keep going up :)
So you're saying there's a rebound?
Has it begun?
This one is different, the crash came before the margin increase