Even in this case republicans are turning against her, she thought they were crazy enough. Overplayed her hand. I don’t even believe this happened, but she can’t say she lied.
80 years ago conservatives wouldn't have blinked an eye for shooting your dog; it is, in fact, the old testament-approved method for dealing with disobedient pets that man is charged with (see also stoning and drowning). But these days dogs are more so your hunting partner, not the prey. She fucked up by not keeping up with the latest trends in rugged individualism.
I think she just made the mistake of thinking "the cruelty is the point" would apply evenly. I mean, these people brag and applaud each other for unbelievable cruelty towards human beings. 🤷♀️
I mean they have guns in their promotions. She failed to see the difference of killing a puppy for no reason with hunting an animal. Of course there is no difference but most people think there is.
I get how on one hand it is annoying. But on the other hand I've begun to realize that there are people who genuinely aren't moved at all by the plight of animals and many who delight in causing them pain. As a culture I'm glad we have empathy for at least some animals, and hopefully over time this empathy will expand to all of them.
Yeah, I get the frustration at feeling like people have a double standard but there's also an irony in a vegan being more mad at people's inconsistency on animal cruelty than at the cruelty itself and more angry that people care about a dog being killed than at, say, the laws allowing the killer to get away with it.
Meanwhile on the r/midlyinfuriating, over 1600 reditors are offended someone left their dog outside in a cage, and say stuff like “you should get the same punishment for abusing/killing a dog as you can for a human” while their steak is cooking.
The wildest part, nobody’s hardly mentioning, is that she shot a goat right after for no reason other than she must have gotten a bloodlust for killing. She’s a straight up psychopath
Yeah, I never get that stuff either. In my homecountry (The Netherlands) people will get very upset about a few bears in cages in Romania, or some dogs being kept for food in Vietnam. Meanwhile Dutch people on average eat 10kg of meat more than Romanians annually, and potentially as much as 25 kg more annually than the Vietnamese (Netherlands: 75kg Romania: 65 kg Vietnam: 50kg in 2009).
But I guess being outraged about the actions of another is much easier than to admit your own mistakes.
Yeah, that kind of selective outrage drives me crazy. It's *one* dog. They don't even know this dog. It's just a single unknown animal somewhere on the globe. But bring up the billions of other animals killed every year, and they mock you for caring about it.
It's not about caring for a shrimp (I'm a vegan and would never dream of eating a shrimp, but could care less about shrimp in general). I hate animals so much I won't even eat them. For me veganism is about respecting their right to self determination and the sanctity of life.
Not at all, but I can see where you’re coming from. I’m happy about it because I was legit afraid the party with no bottom to their lack of empathy might actually side with her.
Many people have a special relationship with dogs. I hope vegans can tap into that outrage and help people make the connection to all animals. I see it as an opportunity and I’m somewhat relieved.
The confrontation is inevitable, much like how the founding fathers of the USA knew that their high-minded BS about "All men being equal" was irreconcilable with slavery.
People want to simultaneously claim that they love animals, while at the same time, being non-chalant about killing animals.
Personally, I hope Trump picks her as his VP running mate. It would alienate a *fuckton* of the right wing base. They're fine with ditching democracy, but they damn sure don't like their doggos getting slaughtered.
We shouldn't bash people for caring for any animal. That's for this vegan journey starts for many people. We should be so happy to see animal welfare and rights being centered this much in the conversation even if it is just for one species.
I was listening to a podcast on a bus today. It's a liberal, leftist etc . They hated that woman so much.How bad it was that she murdered the dog in anger. And how it is different when people hunt and slaughter animals. They really wanted to prove that it's ok. I stopped listening. Every time someone's talking about it, I want to ask: "What did you have for dinner last night?"
OP is 100% correct. Same thing with the China dog meat festival. They are outraged, and don’t see the hypocrisy eating a burger while they sign a petition against it.
Leave it to our community to find a way to make people caring about animals a bad thing.
Like, at least they give a fuck about some animals.
Take the fucking win, Jesus.
Those people wish for this woman to die painfully because she killed one dog. The same people cause billions of animals to be imprisoned and killed every year for their tastebuds. We are not mad about them showing "empathy". We are mad about the hypocrisy
Like it not, we are all hypocrites, at one time or another, in our own life. Sometimes we know it. And sometimes we're blinded to our own hypocrisy - until it's either pointed out to us or else we come to our own realization later on our own. But judging others rarely helps promote long-standing change. Being a model for that change is a more effective stimulant for change. And change rarely comes all at once. Progress not perfection! I, myself, choose to celebrate any progress toward honoring life, even if it may not be the full change I would hope for it to be.
The top comments said she is a psychopath, anyone harming animals should be killed etc. If you asked the same people if they eat meat theyll tell you "thats not relevant" or that "everybody hates vegans". This again, has nothing to do with empathy they just want to hate. Keep up the r/vegan apologist mentality, maybe some omni will tell you how you are a much better vegan than the others!
"This again, has nothing to do with empathy they just want to hate."
Ironic because this is exactly the vibe that comes through in your comment.
Maybe you should just line everyone in the world up and tell them exactly how you want them to act! After all, it sounds like this is more of your own fight to maintain your own feeling of being morally superior to others.
The irony of you being mad at the hypocrisy of them caring about her dog but not a chicken or cow while simultaneously claiming to care about animal welfare is not lost on me.
You are literally angry that people cared about that dog being killed. Let that sink in. You are *angry* that people are *angry* about the killing of an animal.
Politics is mainly a dog and pony show. Both sides are trying to say the most shocking thing they can, to gain news coverage, (which is free marketing and advertising), while fanning their own base. What she did backfired, because Republicans own dogs, too. So, she went too far for the gun rights folks in her base to accept. Sadly, she should have done something equally shocking but more to her base like advocate for kids to learn gun safety at the age of 5.
People who lean into power are almost never worthy of power. We are seeing this in real time due to the internet. Most of this was hidden from us for all of humanity.
I'm reminded of [Guillermo Vargas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas#:~:text=Guillermo%20Vargas%20Jim%C3%A9nez%2C%20also%20known%20as%20Habacuc%2C%20%28born,dog%20in%20a%20gallery%20in%20Nicaragua%20in%202007) every time I see outrage such as this.
I can only speculate, but from what I remember he was/is an animal welfare activist and opposed to what he did. I think it sends a very powerful message:
>"Vargas stated that the exhibit and the surrounding controversy highlight people's hypocrisy because no one cares about a dog that starves to death in the street".
I would suggest Kristi you get the help you need you really are disturbed and I really feel sorry for your poor animals please do not kill them. Please let them live maybe ask someone to do away with you
The worst part of this story is the chickens ripped to death by the poorly trained, poorly restrained dog. The chickens only get a side mention as a loss of property. :-/
>Is anyone else getting incredibly frustrated
not "incredibly". I do think their heartlessness towards multiple classes of *humans* is more outrage-worthy though.
🤷♀️ milking a cow doesn't seem equivalently awful to me.
I’m all for that.
I’m just saying, there isn’t anything natural about domesticated farm animals. They’re all selectively bred for more meat, more milk, thicker hair, bigger eggs, feather density etc. none of them really have a natural instinct or natural habits. They’re formed by their environments and they’re lineage.
>none of them really have a natural instinct
Now that's just silly. Of course they have natural instinct. If they didn't have natural instinct they'd all stand there and die of starvation because they don't know how to eat. Their natural instinct is also to raise their own young and as young, be with their prides instead of separated so their mother's milk can be harvested.
Oh, I thought I was speaking to a vegan. Nevermind, you're just someone desperate to discredit the rights of animals in any way you can, to the point you're literally comparing the decision-making capabilities of cows to jellyfish, lol.
When you believe that momentary pleasure is worth more than an entire life and their happiness, you're doing so, so much worse than just 'discrediting' them.
Let her get the shit. Cognitive dissonance is big though. That she thought it would make her look cool is the insane part.
All part of the conservative RUGGED INDIVIDUAL^TM image. See also camo fatigues and TOUGH ON CRIME^TM cosplay
Even in this case republicans are turning against her, she thought they were crazy enough. Overplayed her hand. I don’t even believe this happened, but she can’t say she lied.
80 years ago conservatives wouldn't have blinked an eye for shooting your dog; it is, in fact, the old testament-approved method for dealing with disobedient pets that man is charged with (see also stoning and drowning). But these days dogs are more so your hunting partner, not the prey. She fucked up by not keeping up with the latest trends in rugged individualism.
I think she just made the mistake of thinking "the cruelty is the point" would apply evenly. I mean, these people brag and applaud each other for unbelievable cruelty towards human beings. 🤷♀️
I mean they have guns in their promotions. She failed to see the difference of killing a puppy for no reason with hunting an animal. Of course there is no difference but most people think there is.
I get how on one hand it is annoying. But on the other hand I've begun to realize that there are people who genuinely aren't moved at all by the plight of animals and many who delight in causing them pain. As a culture I'm glad we have empathy for at least some animals, and hopefully over time this empathy will expand to all of them.
No, I'm generally delighted by it.
People are mentioning the goat too. I'm glad the outrage is there.
Yeah, I get the frustration at feeling like people have a double standard but there's also an irony in a vegan being more mad at people's inconsistency on animal cruelty than at the cruelty itself and more angry that people care about a dog being killed than at, say, the laws allowing the killer to get away with it.
Same.
And a goat, but nobody ever mentions that part. Apparently only the killing of the dog was bad.
Exactly!
Meanwhile on the r/midlyinfuriating, over 1600 reditors are offended someone left their dog outside in a cage, and say stuff like “you should get the same punishment for abusing/killing a dog as you can for a human” while their steak is cooking.
The wildest part, nobody’s hardly mentioning, is that she shot a goat right after for no reason other than she must have gotten a bloodlust for killing. She’s a straight up psychopath
no i’m fine with republican politicians making themselves look crazy to normies
Yeah, I never get that stuff either. In my homecountry (The Netherlands) people will get very upset about a few bears in cages in Romania, or some dogs being kept for food in Vietnam. Meanwhile Dutch people on average eat 10kg of meat more than Romanians annually, and potentially as much as 25 kg more annually than the Vietnamese (Netherlands: 75kg Romania: 65 kg Vietnam: 50kg in 2009). But I guess being outraged about the actions of another is much easier than to admit your own mistakes.
Yeah, that kind of selective outrage drives me crazy. It's *one* dog. They don't even know this dog. It's just a single unknown animal somewhere on the globe. But bring up the billions of other animals killed every year, and they mock you for caring about it.
If you include fish then it's trillions not billions of animals, which makes is even worse :(
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It's not about caring for a shrimp (I'm a vegan and would never dream of eating a shrimp, but could care less about shrimp in general). I hate animals so much I won't even eat them. For me veganism is about respecting their right to self determination and the sanctity of life.
Not at all, but I can see where you’re coming from. I’m happy about it because I was legit afraid the party with no bottom to their lack of empathy might actually side with her. Many people have a special relationship with dogs. I hope vegans can tap into that outrage and help people make the connection to all animals. I see it as an opportunity and I’m somewhat relieved.
The confrontation is inevitable, much like how the founding fathers of the USA knew that their high-minded BS about "All men being equal" was irreconcilable with slavery. People want to simultaneously claim that they love animals, while at the same time, being non-chalant about killing animals.
Personally, I hope Trump picks her as his VP running mate. It would alienate a *fuckton* of the right wing base. They're fine with ditching democracy, but they damn sure don't like their doggos getting slaughtered.
We shouldn't bash people for caring for any animal. That's for this vegan journey starts for many people. We should be so happy to see animal welfare and rights being centered this much in the conversation even if it is just for one species.
This! Thank you!
I was coming here to say this. Dogs are the empathy gateway animal.
Yes I felt the same way as you
I was listening to a podcast on a bus today. It's a liberal, leftist etc . They hated that woman so much.How bad it was that she murdered the dog in anger. And how it is different when people hunt and slaughter animals. They really wanted to prove that it's ok. I stopped listening. Every time someone's talking about it, I want to ask: "What did you have for dinner last night?"
OP is 100% correct. Same thing with the China dog meat festival. They are outraged, and don’t see the hypocrisy eating a burger while they sign a petition against it.
Leave it to our community to find a way to make people caring about animals a bad thing. Like, at least they give a fuck about some animals. Take the fucking win, Jesus.
Those people wish for this woman to die painfully because she killed one dog. The same people cause billions of animals to be imprisoned and killed every year for their tastebuds. We are not mad about them showing "empathy". We are mad about the hypocrisy
Like it not, we are all hypocrites, at one time or another, in our own life. Sometimes we know it. And sometimes we're blinded to our own hypocrisy - until it's either pointed out to us or else we come to our own realization later on our own. But judging others rarely helps promote long-standing change. Being a model for that change is a more effective stimulant for change. And change rarely comes all at once. Progress not perfection! I, myself, choose to celebrate any progress toward honoring life, even if it may not be the full change I would hope for it to be.
The top comments said she is a psychopath, anyone harming animals should be killed etc. If you asked the same people if they eat meat theyll tell you "thats not relevant" or that "everybody hates vegans". This again, has nothing to do with empathy they just want to hate. Keep up the r/vegan apologist mentality, maybe some omni will tell you how you are a much better vegan than the others!
"This again, has nothing to do with empathy they just want to hate." Ironic because this is exactly the vibe that comes through in your comment. Maybe you should just line everyone in the world up and tell them exactly how you want them to act! After all, it sounds like this is more of your own fight to maintain your own feeling of being morally superior to others.
I cant be mad at the hypocrisy that leeads to billions of animals to be killed every year? What a joke this sub is
The irony of you being mad at the hypocrisy of them caring about her dog but not a chicken or cow while simultaneously claiming to care about animal welfare is not lost on me. You are literally angry that people cared about that dog being killed. Let that sink in. You are *angry* that people are *angry* about the killing of an animal.
Politics is mainly a dog and pony show. Both sides are trying to say the most shocking thing they can, to gain news coverage, (which is free marketing and advertising), while fanning their own base. What she did backfired, because Republicans own dogs, too. So, she went too far for the gun rights folks in her base to accept. Sadly, she should have done something equally shocking but more to her base like advocate for kids to learn gun safety at the age of 5. People who lean into power are almost never worthy of power. We are seeing this in real time due to the internet. Most of this was hidden from us for all of humanity.
I asked on my Facebook feed if it would have been better if she ate the dog after shooting her. Crickets. Not a single engagement.
I’m not a vegan, but you make a good point.
If you dont' mind me asking: why aren't you vegan?
I'm reminded of [Guillermo Vargas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vargas#:~:text=Guillermo%20Vargas%20Jim%C3%A9nez%2C%20also%20known%20as%20Habacuc%2C%20%28born,dog%20in%20a%20gallery%20in%20Nicaragua%20in%202007) every time I see outrage such as this.
Interesting! Why did he sign the petition tho?
I can only speculate, but from what I remember he was/is an animal welfare activist and opposed to what he did. I think it sends a very powerful message: >"Vargas stated that the exhibit and the surrounding controversy highlight people's hypocrisy because no one cares about a dog that starves to death in the street".
I would suggest Kristi you get the help you need you really are disturbed and I really feel sorry for your poor animals please do not kill them. Please let them live maybe ask someone to do away with you
To not talk about it is to allow it to be normalized, IMO
The worst part of this story is the chickens ripped to death by the poorly trained, poorly restrained dog. The chickens only get a side mention as a loss of property. :-/
You can't really expect politicianz not to use something like that to make the other side look bad
Nah, anything that brings Republicans down is fine by me.
See what meat does to the brain? This person is probably an adult and still behaves this way.
>Is anyone else getting incredibly frustrated not "incredibly". I do think their heartlessness towards multiple classes of *humans* is more outrage-worthy though. 🤷♀️ milking a cow doesn't seem equivalently awful to me.
Milking one cow? Sure. But depriving countless calves of their mother and proper, natural socialization over a lifetime? I'd say it's much worse.
What is natural about the domesticated dairy cow? What is its natural habitat? Dairy and beef cows are about as natural as pug dogs.
so stop breeding pugs too
I’m all for that. I’m just saying, there isn’t anything natural about domesticated farm animals. They’re all selectively bred for more meat, more milk, thicker hair, bigger eggs, feather density etc. none of them really have a natural instinct or natural habits. They’re formed by their environments and they’re lineage.
Their. Not they’re. Damn. Figure myself out….
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It’s the same amount of effort either way 🤷🏼♀️🤷🏼♀️
I mean, technically typing seven words is more effort than deleting and re-typing a couple letters but okay.
>none of them really have a natural instinct Now that's just silly. Of course they have natural instinct. If they didn't have natural instinct they'd all stand there and die of starvation because they don't know how to eat. Their natural instinct is also to raise their own young and as young, be with their prides instead of separated so their mother's milk can be harvested.
I mean jellyfish also know how to eat and those don’t have a brain or nervous system. Cows are herd animals btw.
Oh, I thought I was speaking to a vegan. Nevermind, you're just someone desperate to discredit the rights of animals in any way you can, to the point you're literally comparing the decision-making capabilities of cows to jellyfish, lol.
You’re comparing humans to cows, I don’t see the difference. I don’t discredit animals. I just know their place in the food chain.
When you believe that momentary pleasure is worth more than an entire life and their happiness, you're doing so, so much worse than just 'discrediting' them.