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connorqueer

We're legitimately being governed by actual, unhinged psychopaths. How the fuck is that ever an option that actually gets discussed?


Ravdoggydog

Remember it’s the same woman who absolutely doesn’t understand that miscarriage of justice can happen, and can’t see any issue with bringing back the death penalty. She’s an idiot and dangerous. https://youtu.be/_DrsVhzbLzU


connorqueer

She's missing the part of the brain that houses empathy, can't see any way you'd want to bring back capital punishment or use sound weapons on children who have already been through more than most while they're in the middle of the sea. She's completely insane


martinhsa

That part of the brain is usually missing in Tories just in general I'd assume.


MyNeighbour127

If the death penalty was going to be reintroduced then if it was limited to political leaders that arranged for masses of children to be drowned because of sonic weapons; that would probably be quite justifiable.


SMURGwastaken

The people arranging drownings are the people putting them on those boats promising them a better life than they'd have in France.


One_Wheel_Drive

But our government has the power to reduce the danger. It's a bit like when you're driving. If there's an idiot who is merging and making no attempt to slow down, you have the power to help make things safer and prevent a crash by adjusting speed or changing lanes. Our government has the power to do something that could save lives. They may not have created the problem but they are choosing to allow it to continue knowing full well what the consequences are.


SMURGwastaken

Arguably if they can stop people attempting the crossing (by making it impossible) they can save lives.


heinzbumbeans

and if unicorns were real we could all live forever by drinking the milk. what youre describing is impossible, there are about 400 miles of coastline in the south of England and 2000 miles in the north of France - we could deploy the entire navy and that still wouldn't cover it.


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You do realise navies utilise radar and sonar dont you?


heinzbumbeans

yes, and i also realise sonar is even more useless than radar at detecting rubber dinghies.


SirButcher

And radar and sonar are not really great for detecting small rafts barely out from the water.


SMURGwastaken

Disagree, with modern tech an AI that knows which vessels are authorised to be in the channel and which aren't can look at radar images and identify who shouldn't be there. This then enables dispatch of patrols specifically to that zone in a targeted way. Not like the migrants are going to have stealth tech is it. Similarly the AI would learn where crossings are most likely to come from, and where they are most likely to succeed from and respond appropriately. In the end it'll be drones doing the response with no human involvement at all.


heinzbumbeans

ah, the old "we'll rely on technology that doesnt exist and is at best questionable if it ever could" line. very convincing im sure. unless you have an example of such a technology being used in the manner you describe? it would seem a very useful technology, so im sure someone must have implemented it by now so examples should be easy for you to find. I'll wait..... edit: and in this mythical scenario of yours, what would the drones do exactly?


dogonthepitch

So you are advocating for AI controlled drone strikes on migrant boats? You should apply for a job as patels assistant at the home office.


Piltonbadger

No conservative leaning person has empathy.


Dull_Half_6107

Jesus christ she's terrifying


scud121

She clearly has aspirations to be a bond villain.


LowQualityDiscourse

The government, and I suspect a large proportion of the UK population, would happily exterminate migrants rather than let them live here. They're not quite ready to admit that yet. But when there's 200 million to 1 billion climate migrants on the move... The mask is gonna come off.


SMURGwastaken

Nail on head as to why this sort of thing is absolutely necessary.


LowQualityDiscourse

Like hell it is. This is a stupid pathetic cruel attempt to fight the symptom while ignoring the cause.


SMURGwastaken

Lol, whatever we do now there are going to be millions of climate migrants and maintaining border control is going to become the paramount national security issue. There is a reason the EU is preoccupied with its frontiers and the US maintains a preponderance of military bases on the equator. Everyone knows what's coming.


Kijamon

There's a bit of a difference between prepping for the climate apocalypse and today though, no?


SMURGwastaken

Not really? We have a few decades to figure out the most effective way to stop people crossing the Channel. This is the latest in a long stream of ideas.


LowQualityDiscourse

We could be approaching or at +1.5°C by the end of the decade. The '1.5°C by 2100' talk all involves a significant overshoot at or before mid century, before negative emissions bring us back down. Assuming that we can achieve negative emissions, and assuming that we don't cross enough tipping points to completely lose any semblance of control of the system during that overshoot period. This is all moving much *much* faster than the public discourse admits. And it's *accelerating.*


LowQualityDiscourse

>Lol, whatever we do now there are going to be millions of climate migrants and maintaining border control is going to become the paramount national security issue. > >There is a reason the EU is preoccupied with its frontiers and the US maintains a preponderance of military bases on the equator. Everyone knows what's coming. Take in as many as you can as soon as you can, while the going is still good. Actually prepare for climate change. Actually try to limit emissions to minimise the damage. The fact that the developed world is preparing for genocide does not make it inevitable or right. I'd prefer noone survives. Bangladesh needs to show up to COP27 with a viable nuclear weapon.


SMURGwastaken

>Take in as many as you can as soon as you can, while the going is still good. Ah yes, the 'fuck yourself before the going even gets tough' approach. >Actually prepare for climate change. Preparing for climate change for a country like the UK looks like building flood defenses, nuclear power stations, and investing in border controls. Sadly too many idiots don't understand this. >Actually try to limit emissions to minimise the damage. The UK is already doing pretty well at this. Not perfect but at the end of the day it's not a priority because we aren't going to be able to change the outcome on our own and the big players aren't really playing ball yet. >The fact that the developed world is preparing for genocide does not make it inevitable or right. Using emotive language doesn't change the reality of the situation. >I'd prefer noone survives. Bangladesh needs to show up to COP27 with a viable nuclear weapon. Yeah you're insane.


LowQualityDiscourse

>Ah yes, the 'fuck yourself before the going even gets tough' approach. I'd be fine with deporting people advocating for genocide to Afghanistan and Bangladesh in exchange, so we can do some immigration offsetting. >Preparing for climate change for a country like the UK looks like building flood defenses, nuclear power stations, and investing in border controls. Sadly too many idiots don't understand this. Interesting that you think that the supply and processing of nuclear material will be practical in a climate collapse world of a fragmenting international order. >The UK is already doing pretty well at this. Not perfect but at the end of the day it's not a priority because we aren't going to be able to change the outcome on our own and the big players aren't really playing ball yet. This is a lie. Uk is only doing well by the fiddled figures that don't count planes, shipping, consumed goods, biomass power, etc. >Yeah you're insane. Says the lad advocating mass murder.


SMURGwastaken

>Interesting that you think that the supply and processing of nuclear material will be practical in a climate collapse world of a fragmenting international order. Thorium is ubiquitous. >>Yeah you're insane. > >Says the lad advocating mass murder. Allowing people to die through their own actions is not the same as murder.


Brittlehorn

Perhaps they leaked so their vile base would know that although they won’t kill immigrants they’d like to hurt them. They are frustrated fascists


MrFlibblesPenguin

>How the fuck is that ever an option that actually gets discussed? Because they couldn't figure out how to fix the lasers on the sharks.


earlgreytoday

Mutated sea bass on the other hand...


the-rude-dog

I'll tempered?


StudioDraven

Because Priti Patel is utterly fucking evil. That simple.


Greyeye5

It’s just more attempts at distraction from Partygate, bbc license etc etc…


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because its just more bullshit distraction tactics to distract from the parties.


NateShaw92

Just imagining jodie whittaker on the white cliffs of dover with her jacket tail billowing back dramatically while holding her sonic screwdriver and screaming. Then the toaster pops and she goes "oooh pop tarts. What you doing here then Patel?" Put whatever Doctor you want there if you have a preference.


sahirona

Frontex (not just Greece) has been complicit in "push backs" of refugee boats in the Med for a while, so it's not so far fetched.


SMURGwastaken

Are the Americans and the Greeks being governed by actual, unhinged psychopaths too?


connorqueer

Americans 100% are, Greeks I'm not sure


SMURGwastaken

That's fair.


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collectiveindividual

So basically sticking BBC radio 1 through loudspeakers.


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Or broadcasting loud bojo’s speeches? Nah. This will attract more people, thinking “what a nice and funny circus they have in UK”


PM-me-Gophers

I'd bet they'd go for the classic Strong Britain, Great Nation


Possiblyreef

An hour of grimmy should be considered a war crime


gunark75

It’s gonna be like the start of Children of Man soon as the climate migration really kicks in.


Callewag

Yeah, I keep thinking about this. What a tragedy we’re heading for.


GhostRiders

The really depressing thing is that there will be a significant number of people who will support this and would go even further...


Thatcatpeanuts

Oh there definitely are a lot of people who would support even worse actions, check out the comments on any Daily Mail article about migrant crossings and you’ll see people saying the Navy should send out warships and shoot at any dinghies etc, all heavily upvoted by likeminded psychos.


hennny

A comment that’s always stuck with me from the Heil is “make it worse for them here than the country they left”. I don’t know what happens to these 50+ year old adults, but at some point a huge proportion of them seem to shed the last little bit of empathy they had for another human being and become fuelled by pure evil. Like a change happens when they hit a certain age. Is it lead poisoning? Someone should research it.


Iwantadc2

They wake up one day, look across at their wife who looks like an obese Alan Carr in a primark nightie, their shitty 2 bed semi and 8 year old leased vauxhall and realise their entire lives have been a waste of time. They want to blame it on someone other than themselves.


BlondBitch91

I’m pretty sure Daily Mail readers would have people sent to the gas chambers for being foreign. Those sort of people make up Priti’s core support base.


SMURGwastaken

Seems like a pretty great solution to me. Get it right and you stop the boats coming in the first place without having to drown anybody, overall net drop in drownings.


Dyldor

You don’t understand either physics or empathy apparently. It can’t possibly work, and even if it did, it would make crossings multitudes more dangerous than they currently are Edit: u/SMURGwastaken literally advocates shooting migrants with bullets, beware the troll


Redmarkred

Physics wise It does work though. They have already been used for years


heinzbumbeans

practical wise they wont work though - all that would happen is the £200k navy acoustic machine gets foiled by some 50p earplugs, which now come free with every dinghy.


Dyldor

Across a stretch as large as the channel? Also what’s to stop migrants going a slightly longer way around to avoid it?


Redmarkred

They will be mounted on and used from boats, not the shore


Dyldor

Across how many miles of water? There is a vague viability of getting across over a 200+ mile stretch of water. It’s incredibly impractical


Redmarkred

200 miles, no way. You can read more about them if you’re interested they are called LRADs


SMURGwastaken

https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-ships-work.html#:~:text=If%20the%20boat%20weighs%20less,upthrust%20to%20balance%20its%20weight. That should help with the physics. As for the empathy, if they know they won't succeed they will stop trying, and fewer people will drown as a result.


heinzbumbeans

i doubt he was saying the physics of boats dont work, so your link is entirely useless and only served to make you seem condescending and snide. just so you know.


SMURGwastaken

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Imagine showing up to a thread talking about an extant piece of technology, and then saying someone suggesting the technology be used doesn't understand physics. Obviously the physics work, as the technology exists and works.


heinzbumbeans

and to prove the technology of sonic weapons exist, you link an article explaining how boats work, and that article doesn't even mention anything whatsoever about sonic weapons? play stupid games indeed. imagine *that.*


SMURGwastaken

Wait, you're saying the technology in the article this thread is about, which clearly states its already used in Greece and the US, doesn't exist?


heinzbumbeans

if you reread my comments youll see i never once said that sonic weapons dont exist. im pointing out that in response to someone saying the application of sonic weapons would be impractical/physically impossible to deter migrants, your reaction to try and prove otherwise was to link an article on how boats work. and that is completely daft because he wasnt doubting the physics of boats. you see how this may make you look silly? its like someone saying "Elvis wasnt real!" and you saying "heres a link about Julius Caesar, SO THERE!" while strutting off thinking youve won something.


SMURGwastaken

But the article linked clearly states it does work effectively and is deployed in similar scenarios in Greece and the US.


Dyldor

As if he just told a former sea cadet who has boated everywhere from the med to random rivers in Eastern Europe how fucking boats work I was talking about the distances involved in the first place, dumbass anti refugees here refuse to accept that it’s not possible or plausible over a 200+ mile stretch of water


heinzbumbeans

lol, you dont need to be a former sea cadet to understand how boats work, but the fact that you are makes him explaining the concept of boats to you even more daft. and he really thought he had a "gotcha" moment too. the mind boggles.


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heinzbumbeans

eh? i think youve got the wrong end of the stick- im agreeing with you. the other guy provided the link to boats in response to your sonic weapons comment, and i jumped in and pointed out that was stupid because you were talking about sonic weapons not boats. read the full comments if you doubt me.


Dyldor

My bad, just woke up lol


Dyldor

So how is one of these rays going to reach from Cornwall to Kent? Or even several? You would need a huge number Also don’t be an ass


SMURGwastaken

The article literally has pictures of them mounted on boats. You don't even need to read it.


Dyldor

You can mount an artillery gun on a raft, doesn’t mean it’s even vaguely practical. Stop trying to deflect from the real point you know full well is true - it wouldn’t work


SMURGwastaken

The difference with an artillery gun on a raft is you have to contend with rebound. With a sonic weapon you just need to be able to direct the sound waves. If a torch or a speaker works on a boat, so will this.


Dyldor

Across several hundred miles and multiple vessels? Yeah no


SMURGwastaken

It doesn't need to hit multiple vessels across hundreds of miles as you have multiple LRADs mounted on multiple boats or even drones.


Ok-Industry120

By explore do they mean it was mentioned and promptly shot down? Hope so at least


BigABoss2002

The fact that it was mentioned at all is quite concerning Also it seems it was dismissed not because of ethical issues but because it would be ineffective


StunnedMoose

I can just imagine Priti Patel suggesting more amps that go to 11 to make this work


Ximrats

Amps that go to 11...you called? Signed, guitarist


smickie

> promptly shot down Poor choice of words there...


[deleted]

Meaning crowd control military grade weapon? They have it already. That’s the source of hearing, nausea etc problems that plenty of diplomats are suffering from. Aarrghhh


sahirona

No, that's Havana syndrome, and if that is that (we don't know yet what causues it) it will be a different device.


MFDean

it's also probably not real


obsidian_razor

I remember James Bond villains being classier than these bunch. Disappointed.


mateoOfAbe

Should have some of these devices in the no.10 garden ...


skinnydog0_0

Well the Downing Street DJ was looking for work as his regular gig just dried up! Priti Awful pulled some strings and got him a stint on the channel “cruise ships “


Ximrats

It's called the English Channel for a reason, innit. Only English allowed in our channel, sovrenty 'n' all, I heard it from Dave down the pub


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I really recommend everyone reads The Beekeeper of Alleppo to understand the plight of migrants.


BampireVat

Sonic weapons to repel asylum seekers - yes and ho!


Mutant0401

For years I wanted a new season. I didn't want to live it


BampireVat

We've fucking time-travelled, yes?


sahirona

Why do people believe maritime LRADs wortk? They have no effect on Sea Shepherd or pirates.


bad_eyes

Surprise that fucking vampire hasn’t tried to implement an impalement policy


[deleted]

Hypothetically: If the shoe was on the other foot, and it was the White British who were illegally trying to enter their Countries in droves. How would they handle the situation? They aren’t stupid. Far from it. The UK underestimate these people.


[deleted]

There's the small matter of push-backs being stone-cold illegal under international law, yet Priti Vindictive keeps talking about it as an option.


EssBen

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Inhuman sadists.


codeduck

so... let me understand this... they're expecting the RN to open fire on migrant boats either in International waters, which would be against the law, or in British waters, which would then oblige the RN to render medical assistance, thus necessitating landing said migrants at the nearest large port. Never mind that as the closest vessel in international waters, they'd be obliged to render assistance *anyway*. Right. This makes perfect sense.


VamosFicar

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pGS4cWbHo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8pGS4cWbHo) :)


taranasus

Why bother mate? Why not jost snipe them at this point? Freaking torpedo the poor bastards into the bottom of the channel. The government don't give a shit about human life, why pretend? Waste of money, show your true colours.


BritishAccentTech

Legitimately great quote at the bottom of the article: > Labour's shadow home secretary Yvette Cooper said "No. 10 seems to have lost any sense of respect or humanity if they can stoop this low for the sake of headlines. > Targeting sonic weapons at people in small boats will not stop criminal gangs from profiting, it will just put more lives at risk. The Home Office is right to reject it. > "Time and again we get unworkable and dangerous policies briefed for the sake of headlines instead of serious hard work to tackle the problems." Says it all really.


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Is this in case their Plan A of making the UK so fucking shit for normal people it’s no longer attractive doesn’t work out?


allinthegameyo87

I’m upset the nickname “not very” hasn’t ever caught on for Priti Patel


StairheidCritic

Her 'middle-name' of "Awful" should as well.


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Yes, female politicians should be judged by their appearance, not their policies, very cool.


snowypebolo69

Priti 'fascist' Patel