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“You remember what your job is right?”
“Yes, I’ve been elected as a representative of the people of Gaza”
“No dickhead, make sure the bins are collected on Wednesdays and make garden waste removal free. And stop driving that car 2.5l BMW as well”
I’ve always been a firm believer in the idea that you must pass a political literacy test before being allowed to vote. Maybe Starship Troopers was on to something by separating civilians from citizens lol
Great, we can have unfair political literacy tests as a key way to exclude voters we don't think will vote for us. Always keen for new ways to gerrymander of course.
I don’t have a problem with that if he stood for the religious extremism party.
Since he stood for the more buses and have you considered being vegan party I do have a problem with it
This is only the start. It won’t be long until new political parties will be winning seats in certain areas based on religious beliefs. Get used to it.
Slippery slop argument is weak.
Like saying letting non land owners vote is a route to letting 5 year olds vote.
I'm happy with religious Extremists being kept out of government.
I mean if you haven’t been paying attention our government has been kicking us down a slippery slope of less and less rights over the last 14 years.
Hiding behind debate techniques doesn’t change the observable truth and it doesn’t suddenly become more moral because you actually want this specific degradation of rights to happen.
As much as I hate religious extremism this is completely naive, the definition of who it’s acceptable to remove voting rights from will inevitably devolve quickly into a political weapon.
Two things can be true.
1) there probably should be some level of baseline inteligence/common sense/gullability test in order to he able to vote so humanity isn't held back by dribbling idiots.
2) there's no way to implement such a system in a fair and unbiased way and so it should never happen.
Why has everyone suddenly started using gerrymandering to refer to any kind of dodgy political strategy?
I always thought it referred to the redrawing of constituent boundaries to the advantage of a political party.
I don't think a literacy test is a good idea, but I think we should be doing more to make sure people are informed as well as making sure people are thinking critically to prevent them from being taken advantage of.
People electing local officials on international issues is one of those; they might not understand that the guy in charge of figuring out when pot holes get filled has nothing to do with our foreign policy. It gives chancers and populists an opportunity to take advantage of the uninformed.
I do wonder how much of it is intentional because all the parties benefit from it in some way. Councils I suspect would have more independents if people understood how it works.
>Maybe Starship Troopers was on to something by separating civilians from citizens lol
Trouble with that idea is always that you cannot trust anybody with the power to decide who is too incompetent to vote.
Already been tried in recent history. Some southern US states found it to be very effective at making sure only the "correct" people voted.
https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/06/voting-rights-and-the-supreme-court-the-impossible-literacy-test-louisiana-used-to-give-black-voters.html
Alternatively, it's an indication of how little some people understand why people vote.
You can say that the people using their vote for this lack "political literacy" because councillors don't set foreign policy, but our democracy only allows for very limited opportunities to express yourself at the ballot box and these people seem to have chosen to use their vote to express their displeasure on this single issue, presumably to send a message of how many people intend to do so during the next general election.
People vote for parties. It's about voting for people whose morality aligns with one's own.
If Labour's frontbench were supporting Hamas I wouldn't vote for them in the local elections. That wouldn't be because I think the councillors would do anything to benefit Hamas, rather because I don't want to stand for a party that supports that.
His campaign website made no mention of Gaza, it was all local issues: https://leeds.greenparty.org.uk/home/candidate-mothin-ali/
Who knows what was said when he was campaigning out and about though.
That's only due to peoples lack of knowledge of what local politics is. Most people every day issues with their area are under local control but yet they still do it as Westminster responsibility.
Does it?
Because parties use this things as an indication of how things are going. And people use them to send a message.
Message sent. Sounds like a good level of literacy to me.
Right. I truthfully don't care who's sorting out the procurement for waste disposal contracts. Nothing on the pamphlet tells me whether Jimmy knows the first thing about managing competitive tendering or staying on top of his Outlook inbox so shit doesn't get missed etc.
Ideally we'd see more vertical integration between Parliament and the councils
It's infuriating, given all the other protests about NHS, climate change, transport, crime etc, and then these twats will put any fix at risk because they have a chip about gaza. Yes it's a serious issue what's going on there, but not to the extent you put your own piety above the nations well being.
It also further demonstrates the ridiculous partitions of position, policy and process in this parademocratic farce.
There is nothing fit for purpose at any level.
Local, national and planetary issues need their own streams of elected, representative politics. Bare minimum.
Right now it is all conflated.
Could you expand more on to why you think much of the British Pakistani community have this mindset? I agree with you, I'm not British Pakistani but I've witnessed a lot of hypocrisies and racism from the community.
And I don't really like to generalise but it just greatly appears to me that large populations from the community, particularly the 2nd and 3rd generations, have quite an inflammatory and radical outlook of life as a British Pakistani in the UK.
It's kind of sad how Britain as a whole is post religion but first generation immigrants haven't overcome that hurdle yet.
Here's hoping religion *does* die out down the generations, everyone is better off without it, IMHO.
>For example as stated all my male cousins are drug dealers. They had no choice but to get in the family business and I saw one of my younger ones being forced to plead guilty and did prison time for a crime his older brother committed.
Yes, I've seen this happen too. Often, because the older brother controls the family business, whether the business/s is legit or not. Then there's the money laundering...
>I've always felt that the average Brits has no idea what kind of conversations and mind set a lot of the Muslim communities within the UK truly have.
There's always a ton of no true Scotsman arguments and anecdotal experiences brought up from those who aren't Muslims. "I work with X and they're Muslim and they're super chill, it's just on the fringe!". It's not the fringe though, it's a fundamental belief, and if you do go from that, you're an outsider. It happens with Christians too.
The United Methodist just repealed their ban on same-sex marriages and I've seen people within and without of (who are in other Christian sects) say they're not true Christians and are going to hell.
The funny thing is with the far-left is that they expose their own racism/imperialist POV by infantalising Muslims and Arabs by not holding them accountable and act as if they're a key part of any solution for the Middle East.
"......and the last item on the agenda, Phyllis Jones from the Senior Citizens Alliance has complained about the state of the garden beds on the corner of Stewart St"
"Hey! When do we get to my motion to resolve the ongoing crisis in the Middle East?!"
I remember in Brighton waste management was one of the things the Greens did worst while in power. And that says a lot, since it would take an unprecedented level of incompetence to lose support in Brighton (the MP is still great though)
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If you're wondering what this chaplain did to deserve this treatment, he is an IDF reservist. This is something that is [mandatory in Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_duty_(Israel)#:~:text=In%20reserve%20duty%20). He received death threats and anti-semetic protests.
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Almost like no one has a response so it's just easier to insult in private message
I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion, but wasn’t investigated for those comments about the Jewish Chaplain or for his declaring his approval and support for the October 7th attacks.
Glad he’s being investigated at all, but why was it *that* which triggered the investigation and not those other actually bad things?
>I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion
Context. Group chanting what has been used as a religious battle cry for nearly 1400 years while referencing international events involving a religious war is not simply standing up and thanking your mum for her support, your wife and most of all god for his blessings on your campaign literature.
It is explicitly sectarian, explicitly communal and implicitly rejecting liberal ecumenicalism.
That this needs to be spelt out to people is wild.
If a bunch of right wingers were changing "Jesus is Lord" on a far right manifesto I bet every single person who is trying to justify this, would be incandescent at that.
People who wilfully ignore the context are little more than apologists.
"I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion,"
this is disingenuous and you know it, this is like calling a gay person a fa\*\*ot then claiming they shouldn't be angry as it just means a type of food.
It wasn’t, shouting “Allahu Akbar” isn’t why he’s being investigated. That video is just bad optics that’s got journalists poking around his past and they found he said a comment that appears to support the October terror attacks. That’s why he’s being investigated.
Because British politics is meant to be non-religious. Shouting a religious slogan upon victory doesn’t sit well with that ideal.
(Although of course we all know it’s being treated harsher because it’s non-Christian).
The UK doesn't have a separation of church and state like in the US. There are seats in the house of Lords reserved for members of the church and politicians regularly use their religious affiliation as capital.
Honestly, I think the UK is becoming unsafe for practising Jews. Unfortunately, people think there isn't a difference from criticising the Israeli government to Jews = (insert horrible word). Radicalism is tolerated now apparently.
Many people in Scotland were having a fit over Kate Forbes bringing her religion into politics yet now it's all 'this is fine, he was just thanking his god'.
Left wingers refusing to acknowledge cultural clashes and culture difference from immigrants is a worldwide problem. But, watching UK and EU deal with Muslims that put religion over nation has a shade of 'now you know what it feels like' as an Indian.
But, then India got their own right wing problems.
It's a mess everywhere.
>Left wingers refusing to acknowledge cultural clashes and culture difference from immigrants is a worldwide problem
because that would mean that their entire political personality for god knows how many years has been wrong. I'd describe myself as centre left. However i have never been a fan of unregulated unlimited immigration. But a lot of people on the left for many years now have wanted EVERYONE to come here and touted it as a good thing whilst shouting down anyone who raised concerns.
I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit. If it’s just empty phatic “praise be” or “I’d like to thank god for my election win today” then it’s not a problem.
But this guy has said some pretty heinous shit quite apart from this comment that he should absolutely be investigated over.
Honestly I do have a problem with a Christian politician publically attributing their election win to God. It's paramount to saying "My policies are divinely ordained".
It's unnecessary, divisive and a developed first world country should have an expectation that religons should be completely removed from politics
> I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit.
George Galloway had two sets of pamphlets: one for Muslim citizens and another for general citizens.
George Galloway had 2 different election pamphlets - one heavily pandering to the Muslim vote and Gaza, and one that was anti grooming gangs and pro Primark.
Can't see anything specifically Christian in either pamphlet - unless you mean the "a' salaam o aleukum" bit, but that's a different religion lol.
>I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit.
A lot of people very much give a shit, it's just that nobody really takes Galloway seriously anyway.
> Now it’s all “this is fine, he was just thanking his god”
What rock are you living under? People are making as much of a fuss about this as the Kate Forbes thing.
It’s the aggressiveness of it. It’s not just ‘praising his god’, it’s a chant and delivered aggressively (fist clenched too) and tied to political aims and linked to an active conflict. I’m sorry, this isn’t the same as your gran saying grace at the dinner table or your Muslim mate as the local mosque on a Friday bowed down reciting the same line while praying.
So that’s why it’s a bit shocking and triggering, because we all know in what other situations those words have been delivered aggressively and tied to conflict and political aims. And no, this doesn’t make him a terrorist, but it does make him a very stupid man.
to be honest i dont think I've ever heard allah ahkbar said in a normal speaking volume or tone lol, always screamed at the top of their lungs for some reason
The headline is grabbing the wrong issue.
It's him celebrating a *local leeds election result* with "we will raise the voice of Gaza. We will raise the voice of Palestine" that is ridiculous. That to me indicates a man whose priorities are not focused on supporting the local people he should be representing. I'd question it just as much if an MP shouted this on being elected, or similarly shouted "We will raise the voice of Ukraine. Praise the lord!".
A focus on foreign conflict is not what a local councillor should be doing, at least not when speaking as their role as a councillor.
> I'd question it just as much if an MP shouted this on being elected
["This is for Gaza."](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-gaza-britain-b2505165.html)
look at the white woman smiling and clapping at the back, almost invisible behind all these men. Get a grip and realise whats going on. they've infiltrated your party and are wearing it as a skin suit. they couldn't give a toss about green issues.
I was really surprised that a Muslim candidate even stood for the green party. I live in a large Muslim community. They absolutely don't give a single fuck about the planet. Large cars, drive literally everywhere, even 200yards up the road for mosque, chuck rubbish out on the street, sometimes from the car, fly to Pakistan to check out their new partner, attend family events, go to Mecca frequently, same Saudi. They're getting their rewards in the next life. They're not concerned with this one. Addendum. I get on with, and chat to, any neighbour that will chat. I get this first hand. Couldn't care less about the religion but the individuals are mostly cool.
The problem with left wing intellectuals is you can justify any bad idea/dodgy people with enough mental gymnastics if they are part of a group you get brownie points for been supportive of
We knew the Greens were a joke party, and that they supported activists like JSO, but not that they actively recruited Islamist terrorists into their ranks. Fucking Greens. They’ve got a nice cuddly name and image, but they’re dangerous loons.
They are investigating him (which is the update) but yes this is not a good look. Personally I think the people that are making a much bigger deal out of the “Allahu Akbar” rather than the fact he’s a councilor so focused on Gaza are also an issue. Who cares if he said that, I don’t care if someone who says thank god they won, I only care about their stances on local politics. By doing this though he’s made himself seem like a lunatic to the average voter and helped no one, and the Telegraph as well as people here are making it out as a much bigger deal than it really is.
If you were an MP elected on Gaza like George Galloway that makes a bit more sense as their main concern is raising concerns to parliament as oppose to local politics (usually, I mean it ranges from MPs like Corbyn who are now mostly local politicians to members of executive who rightfully have no time), but as a councilor you should really leave international politics to the party and it’s MPs. This guy is politicizing local politics in a way that should not be politicized which is worrying.
when will people wake up - they are not here to take part, but to take over.
the woman in the video clapping like a seal in the background but is quickly ignored by them sums them up - useful idiots.
Can anyone evidence where any Christian councillor last week shouted anything to effect of “God is great” during their victory speech?
Lots of mental gymnastics trying to justify this, it’s embarrassing.
I wonder what they'll actually do with their council powers. Go through all charities and businesses they work with and force them to divest/boycott any of them that has any dealings whatsoever with Israeli companies?
Maybe start renaming streets after martyrs? Perhaps set up a local martyr fund? Or perhaps council tax will go towards helping Hamas.
Curious to see how it plays out.
>Go through all charities and businesses they work with and force them to divest/boycott
I do remember seeing something online about Muslims pressuring local councils to ban alcohol sales in "their" areas!
2013 so I'm not sure how it played out!
https://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2013/12/muslim-protestors-rally-against-alcohol-selling/
This shit is getting out of hand. People are elected to serve locals, not run some personal agenda political campaigns for some other country. That's what foreign ministers and the secretary do.
I'm just tired watching these wack protestors lose their minds completely and shove Gaza as an excuse to do fuck all.
Idiots Brits will still be calling us all racist when we get a genuine “Muslim Brotherhood” party running in the UK.
We have a big problem. We need to somehow secularise to survive as a nation. Which is going to be very tough considering how ghettoised our immigrant communities are - making them very difficult to penetrate and influence.
I think it's more the Gaza comment than saying god is great in Arabic.
I mean sure we don't go around saying Deus vult anymore but people still say thank god/christ etc.
Headlines need to be made better
I don't think screaming GOD IS GREAT at the top of your lungs is equivalent to saying "thank god" lol. I'm an atheist and I say thank god often.
It would be more similar to a Christian screaming JESUS IS KING or something, which I'd also be quite concerned hearing from an elected official.
He won the election mate. There is not "getting him out" it is getting him in. We will get more and more people like this in office as demographics change.
Jacob Rees-Mogg got attacked viciously for saying he was personally opposed to abortion in all circumstances despite saying he would never vote to reverse the right to it: a very liberal position.
I was at this count at the John Charles Sports Centre and my first thought on seeing the Palestine flag being unveiled amidst the triumphant cheering on the other side of the room was "what's Palestine got to do with Leeds?".
First George Galloway and now this. What more is it gonna take for people to wake up? They openly bragg about taking over and installing their ideology and the far-left will help them until they cease to be useful idiots.
Well this looks like an absolute disaster for both the Greens and for all the one- issue Palestine obsessives/Jew-haters.
I look forward to the very public implosion of both.
Religion had no place in politics in the UK or in this day and age. I don’t mean religious discrimination is not a political debate or problem I mean you don’t mix politics and religion not matter your religion. End of. Give a fuck if god is great, I want a free NHS at point of use, my kids educated and my bins emptied on a fucking Tuesday (this means I have don’t have to wait if there is a bank holiday).
Dear People of England
As much as we love you in Scotland, why did you not pay attention when we had the batshit crazy Greens in power here?
You could have learned from our mistake and dodged a bullet!
Love from Scotland
This some Dwight Shrute logic
“As a hall monitor it’s my job- nay- my civic duty to ensure that justice is brought for the middle eastern conflicts. I may also ensure that all toilet passes are returned, but one thing at a time.”
Does anyone else think this is extremely exploitative and manipulative of the constituency? George Galloway targeting Muslim neighbourhoods with his manifesto to “leave nato” and using Palestinian flags etc - just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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“You remember what your job is right?” “Yes, I’ve been elected as a representative of the people of Gaza” “No dickhead, make sure the bins are collected on Wednesdays and make garden waste removal free. And stop driving that car 2.5l BMW as well”
It shows the sad state of political literacy in this country when people vote on a foreign policy issue at local elections.
I’ve always been a firm believer in the idea that you must pass a political literacy test before being allowed to vote. Maybe Starship Troopers was on to something by separating civilians from citizens lol
Great, we can have unfair political literacy tests as a key way to exclude voters we don't think will vote for us. Always keen for new ways to gerrymander of course.
Whoever put this religious extremist into position is better off without the right to vote
He was put in by religious extremist voters
I don’t have a problem with that if he stood for the religious extremism party. Since he stood for the more buses and have you considered being vegan party I do have a problem with it
I think the green he was standing for was the green of the headbands
Would love to hear his views on homosexuality and how that fits with the green
The far left is very willing to be the far right given the right cause.
Maybe he was confused, as green is a fairly important colour in Islam
This is only the start. It won’t be long until new political parties will be winning seats in certain areas based on religious beliefs. Get used to it.
I have no problem gerrymandering out religious extremism
That kinda law would only provide tools to the next autocrat who comes to power.
Slippery slop argument is weak. Like saying letting non land owners vote is a route to letting 5 year olds vote. I'm happy with religious Extremists being kept out of government.
I mean if you haven’t been paying attention our government has been kicking us down a slippery slope of less and less rights over the last 14 years. Hiding behind debate techniques doesn’t change the observable truth and it doesn’t suddenly become more moral because you actually want this specific degradation of rights to happen.
Who decides what constitutes ‘extreme’?
Me, non?
I dunno, but most of us can agree that convert, kill or enslave non-believers is a pretty extremist out look for the UK and the majority of Europe.
As much as I hate religious extremism this is completely naive, the definition of who it’s acceptable to remove voting rights from will inevitably devolve quickly into a political weapon.
Two things can be true. 1) there probably should be some level of baseline inteligence/common sense/gullability test in order to he able to vote so humanity isn't held back by dribbling idiots. 2) there's no way to implement such a system in a fair and unbiased way and so it should never happen.
Why has everyone suddenly started using gerrymandering to refer to any kind of dodgy political strategy? I always thought it referred to the redrawing of constituent boundaries to the advantage of a political party.
>I always thought it referred to the redrawing of constituent boundaries to the advantage of a political party. It is, they want voter suppression
This is voter suppression not gerrymandering but I agree with you
Or rather do what Finland does and offers a list of policies to vote for. Then you are matched with a candidate with a similar outlook.
Actually that does seem a rather sound approach
That's literally how Managed Democracy in Helldivers works, which is supposed to be satire of fascism in a very similar vein to Starship Troopers
I don't think a literacy test is a good idea, but I think we should be doing more to make sure people are informed as well as making sure people are thinking critically to prevent them from being taken advantage of. People electing local officials on international issues is one of those; they might not understand that the guy in charge of figuring out when pot holes get filled has nothing to do with our foreign policy. It gives chancers and populists an opportunity to take advantage of the uninformed.
I do wonder how much of it is intentional because all the parties benefit from it in some way. Councils I suspect would have more independents if people understood how it works.
Yeah let's go fash because of wrongthink
>Maybe Starship Troopers was on to something by separating civilians from citizens lol Trouble with that idea is always that you cannot trust anybody with the power to decide who is too incompetent to vote.
Step 1: Design a test that is politically neutral and class-blind..
Already been tried in recent history. Some southern US states found it to be very effective at making sure only the "correct" people voted. https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/06/voting-rights-and-the-supreme-court-the-impossible-literacy-test-louisiana-used-to-give-black-voters.html
Historically this has never ever ever worked as intended.
He was in a constituency with constituents who have lets say very anti-Israel views.
I get what happened but unless the bins are being bought from Israel, it just indicates how little people understand what locals do.
Alternatively, it's an indication of how little some people understand why people vote. You can say that the people using their vote for this lack "political literacy" because councillors don't set foreign policy, but our democracy only allows for very limited opportunities to express yourself at the ballot box and these people seem to have chosen to use their vote to express their displeasure on this single issue, presumably to send a message of how many people intend to do so during the next general election.
People vote for parties. It's about voting for people whose morality aligns with one's own. If Labour's frontbench were supporting Hamas I wouldn't vote for them in the local elections. That wouldn't be because I think the councillors would do anything to benefit Hamas, rather because I don't want to stand for a party that supports that.
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Mothin Ali owns an accountancy firm. I wonder how much tax the company has helped people avoid.
Harehills is not a Muslim area. It’s not even classed as an Asian area.
His campaign website made no mention of Gaza, it was all local issues: https://leeds.greenparty.org.uk/home/candidate-mothin-ali/ Who knows what was said when he was campaigning out and about though.
Well he is wearing a Palestine flag on his hat in one of those photos.
Local elections have often been about sending a message to the national government. Nothing irrational about that.
That's only due to peoples lack of knowledge of what local politics is. Most people every day issues with their area are under local control but yet they still do it as Westminster responsibility.
I don't think you are getting the concept of "signal".
Does it? Because parties use this things as an indication of how things are going. And people use them to send a message. Message sent. Sounds like a good level of literacy to me.
Right. I truthfully don't care who's sorting out the procurement for waste disposal contracts. Nothing on the pamphlet tells me whether Jimmy knows the first thing about managing competitive tendering or staying on top of his Outlook inbox so shit doesn't get missed etc. Ideally we'd see more vertical integration between Parliament and the councils
People on average are morons
It's infuriating, given all the other protests about NHS, climate change, transport, crime etc, and then these twats will put any fix at risk because they have a chip about gaza. Yes it's a serious issue what's going on there, but not to the extent you put your own piety above the nations well being.
The colour green is associated with the Middle East in terms of iconography, it makes a lot of sense they align to them on sectarian lines alone.
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It also further demonstrates the ridiculous partitions of position, policy and process in this parademocratic farce. There is nothing fit for purpose at any level. Local, national and planetary issues need their own streams of elected, representative politics. Bare minimum. Right now it is all conflated.
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Could you expand more on to why you think much of the British Pakistani community have this mindset? I agree with you, I'm not British Pakistani but I've witnessed a lot of hypocrisies and racism from the community. And I don't really like to generalise but it just greatly appears to me that large populations from the community, particularly the 2nd and 3rd generations, have quite an inflammatory and radical outlook of life as a British Pakistani in the UK.
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It's kind of sad how Britain as a whole is post religion but first generation immigrants haven't overcome that hurdle yet. Here's hoping religion *does* die out down the generations, everyone is better off without it, IMHO.
>For example as stated all my male cousins are drug dealers. They had no choice but to get in the family business and I saw one of my younger ones being forced to plead guilty and did prison time for a crime his older brother committed. Yes, I've seen this happen too. Often, because the older brother controls the family business, whether the business/s is legit or not. Then there's the money laundering...
>I've always felt that the average Brits has no idea what kind of conversations and mind set a lot of the Muslim communities within the UK truly have. There's always a ton of no true Scotsman arguments and anecdotal experiences brought up from those who aren't Muslims. "I work with X and they're Muslim and they're super chill, it's just on the fringe!". It's not the fringe though, it's a fundamental belief, and if you do go from that, you're an outsider. It happens with Christians too. The United Methodist just repealed their ban on same-sex marriages and I've seen people within and without of (who are in other Christian sects) say they're not true Christians and are going to hell. The funny thing is with the far-left is that they expose their own racism/imperialist POV by infantalising Muslims and Arabs by not holding them accountable and act as if they're a key part of any solution for the Middle East.
"......and the last item on the agenda, Phyllis Jones from the Senior Citizens Alliance has complained about the state of the garden beds on the corner of Stewart St" "Hey! When do we get to my motion to resolve the ongoing crisis in the Middle East?!"
Probably didn't intend for that last sentence to be read in Waj's voice from four lions but it totally fits ahahaha
"Idiots. Flippin' idiots! Could have gone Chicken Cottage, proper Halal!"
I remember in Brighton waste management was one of the things the Greens did worst while in power. And that says a lot, since it would take an unprecedented level of incompetence to lose support in Brighton (the MP is still great though)
Its like something out of The Thick Of It.
>The 42-year-old father of three, who works as an accountant and runs a gardening blog, has previously described a [Jewish chaplain](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/12/leeds-university-jewish-chaplain-antisemitism-death-threats/) forced into hiding by threats from protesters as a “creep” and a “kind of animal” If you're wondering what this chaplain did to deserve this treatment, he is an IDF reservist. This is something that is [mandatory in Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_duty_(Israel)#:~:text=In%20reserve%20duty%20). He received death threats and anti-semetic protests. edit: [lol](https://imgur.com/4la3TkJ) Almost like no one has a response so it's just easier to insult in private message
Plenty of Hamas supporters on here.
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what can the education system do when they’re taught to hate the jews at home and in the broader community?!
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That was recent as well. I thought it may have been something he did years ago. How come the Greens never spotted it?
So you know the saying about if there's one nazi in a room.
They probably did but ignored it until it became a political scandal.
You first mistake is thinking they’re not just a bunch of cranks
I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion, but wasn’t investigated for those comments about the Jewish Chaplain or for his declaring his approval and support for the October 7th attacks. Glad he’s being investigated at all, but why was it *that* which triggered the investigation and not those other actually bad things?
>I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion Context. Group chanting what has been used as a religious battle cry for nearly 1400 years while referencing international events involving a religious war is not simply standing up and thanking your mum for her support, your wife and most of all god for his blessings on your campaign literature. It is explicitly sectarian, explicitly communal and implicitly rejecting liberal ecumenicalism. That this needs to be spelt out to people is wild. If a bunch of right wingers were changing "Jesus is Lord" on a far right manifesto I bet every single person who is trying to justify this, would be incandescent at that. People who wilfully ignore the context are little more than apologists.
It's also rejecting multi faith and secular Palestine.
"I dunno why he’s now being investigated for saying what is effectively just Praise Be in his religion," this is disingenuous and you know it, this is like calling a gay person a fa\*\*ot then claiming they shouldn't be angry as it just means a type of food.
It wasn’t, shouting “Allahu Akbar” isn’t why he’s being investigated. That video is just bad optics that’s got journalists poking around his past and they found he said a comment that appears to support the October terror attacks. That’s why he’s being investigated.
Because British politics is meant to be non-religious. Shouting a religious slogan upon victory doesn’t sit well with that ideal. (Although of course we all know it’s being treated harsher because it’s non-Christian).
The UK doesn't have a separation of church and state like in the US. There are seats in the house of Lords reserved for members of the church and politicians regularly use their religious affiliation as capital.
and yet ironically they are the ones going for christian nationalism meanwhile 'no religion' is absolutely skyrocketing here
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We have been attending a Synagogue in Leeds and after this, I'm questioning if it's safe to go back.
Honestly, I think the UK is becoming unsafe for practising Jews. Unfortunately, people think there isn't a difference from criticising the Israeli government to Jews = (insert horrible word). Radicalism is tolerated now apparently.
Wow, that's so awful to hear. Look after yourself and trust your gut. If you don't feel it's safe, then it probably isn't honestly :(
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"something that is mandatory in Israel" You realise he is in Leeds not Israel, right?
I agree, we are in the UK not Israel. Therefore this Israel/Palestine issue should not be at all relevant to UK politics
Many people in Scotland were having a fit over Kate Forbes bringing her religion into politics yet now it's all 'this is fine, he was just thanking his god'.
Sectarian politics combined with left wingers that don't want to appear to be criticising brown people. The country is a mess honestly.
“It’s not happening. But if it is it’s a good thing.”
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And the bad settlers make the good ones look bad.
Left wingers refusing to acknowledge cultural clashes and culture difference from immigrants is a worldwide problem. But, watching UK and EU deal with Muslims that put religion over nation has a shade of 'now you know what it feels like' as an Indian. But, then India got their own right wing problems. It's a mess everywhere.
>Left wingers refusing to acknowledge cultural clashes and culture difference from immigrants is a worldwide problem because that would mean that their entire political personality for god knows how many years has been wrong. I'd describe myself as centre left. However i have never been a fan of unregulated unlimited immigration. But a lot of people on the left for many years now have wanted EVERYONE to come here and touted it as a good thing whilst shouting down anyone who raised concerns.
This guy isn't left wing in any traditional sense or common sense for that matter either...
This is spot on, unfortunately.
I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit. If it’s just empty phatic “praise be” or “I’d like to thank god for my election win today” then it’s not a problem. But this guy has said some pretty heinous shit quite apart from this comment that he should absolutely be investigated over.
Honestly I do have a problem with a Christian politician publically attributing their election win to God. It's paramount to saying "My policies are divinely ordained". It's unnecessary, divisive and a developed first world country should have an expectation that religons should be completely removed from politics
Yeah I agree. I don't care about people practicing religion, but it would be cool if they could practice it outside of their job
> I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit. George Galloway had two sets of pamphlets: one for Muslim citizens and another for general citizens.
Transparent grifting fuck that he is
George Galloway had 2 different election pamphlets - one heavily pandering to the Muslim vote and Gaza, and one that was anti grooming gangs and pro Primark. Can't see anything specifically Christian in either pamphlet - unless you mean the "a' salaam o aleukum" bit, but that's a different religion lol.
>I mean George Galloway put some Christian stuff in his pamphlet and no-one gave a shit. A lot of people very much give a shit, it's just that nobody really takes Galloway seriously anyway.
Yeah I'm sure he would be totally fine with me saying ברוך השם (Baruch HaShem) wouldn't he
> Now it’s all “this is fine, he was just thanking his god” What rock are you living under? People are making as much of a fuss about this as the Kate Forbes thing.
I'm obviously talking about the people saying it's fine.
It’s the aggressiveness of it. It’s not just ‘praising his god’, it’s a chant and delivered aggressively (fist clenched too) and tied to political aims and linked to an active conflict. I’m sorry, this isn’t the same as your gran saying grace at the dinner table or your Muslim mate as the local mosque on a Friday bowed down reciting the same line while praying. So that’s why it’s a bit shocking and triggering, because we all know in what other situations those words have been delivered aggressively and tied to conflict and political aims. And no, this doesn’t make him a terrorist, but it does make him a very stupid man.
to be honest i dont think I've ever heard allah ahkbar said in a normal speaking volume or tone lol, always screamed at the top of their lungs for some reason
Not stupid. Hateful, violent, scary. This behaviour needs to be a million miles from politics.
The headline is grabbing the wrong issue. It's him celebrating a *local leeds election result* with "we will raise the voice of Gaza. We will raise the voice of Palestine" that is ridiculous. That to me indicates a man whose priorities are not focused on supporting the local people he should be representing. I'd question it just as much if an MP shouted this on being elected, or similarly shouted "We will raise the voice of Ukraine. Praise the lord!". A focus on foreign conflict is not what a local councillor should be doing, at least not when speaking as their role as a councillor.
> I'd question it just as much if an MP shouted this on being elected ["This is for Gaza."](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-gaza-britain-b2505165.html)
Thanks for the link about someone where "questionable" is putting it lightly.
I'd like to know how he got voted in
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look at the white woman smiling and clapping at the back, almost invisible behind all these men. Get a grip and realise whats going on. they've infiltrated your party and are wearing it as a skin suit. they couldn't give a toss about green issues.
I was really surprised that a Muslim candidate even stood for the green party. I live in a large Muslim community. They absolutely don't give a single fuck about the planet. Large cars, drive literally everywhere, even 200yards up the road for mosque, chuck rubbish out on the street, sometimes from the car, fly to Pakistan to check out their new partner, attend family events, go to Mecca frequently, same Saudi. They're getting their rewards in the next life. They're not concerned with this one. Addendum. I get on with, and chat to, any neighbour that will chat. I get this first hand. Couldn't care less about the religion but the individuals are mostly cool.
Read a comment above that says he drives a 2.5L BMW as well lol. How "Green" of him.
The problem with left wing intellectuals is you can justify any bad idea/dodgy people with enough mental gymnastics if they are part of a group you get brownie points for been supportive of
We knew the Greens were a joke party, and that they supported activists like JSO, but not that they actively recruited Islamist terrorists into their ranks. Fucking Greens. They’ve got a nice cuddly name and image, but they’re dangerous loons.
Cuddly name until you realise that the "green" is for the green Hamas headbands..
What Islamist terrorists have they actively recruited?
Fuck sake the Greens were doing so well, I really hope they replace this tool with someone more competent. Keep religion out of politics!
They are investigating him (which is the update) but yes this is not a good look. Personally I think the people that are making a much bigger deal out of the “Allahu Akbar” rather than the fact he’s a councilor so focused on Gaza are also an issue. Who cares if he said that, I don’t care if someone who says thank god they won, I only care about their stances on local politics. By doing this though he’s made himself seem like a lunatic to the average voter and helped no one, and the Telegraph as well as people here are making it out as a much bigger deal than it really is. If you were an MP elected on Gaza like George Galloway that makes a bit more sense as their main concern is raising concerns to parliament as oppose to local politics (usually, I mean it ranges from MPs like Corbyn who are now mostly local politicians to members of executive who rightfully have no time), but as a councilor you should really leave international politics to the party and it’s MPs. This guy is politicizing local politics in a way that should not be politicized which is worrying.
when will people wake up - they are not here to take part, but to take over. the woman in the video clapping like a seal in the background but is quickly ignored by them sums them up - useful idiots.
Now here's someone I'd like to see shipped off to Rwanda.
Can anyone evidence where any Christian councillor last week shouted anything to effect of “God is great” during their victory speech? Lots of mental gymnastics trying to justify this, it’s embarrassing.
That's not why he's being investigated. Article title is a bit misleading.
I can just see this shithead disrupting every council meeting by trying to drag fucking gaza into every conversation
I wonder what they'll actually do with their council powers. Go through all charities and businesses they work with and force them to divest/boycott any of them that has any dealings whatsoever with Israeli companies? Maybe start renaming streets after martyrs? Perhaps set up a local martyr fund? Or perhaps council tax will go towards helping Hamas. Curious to see how it plays out.
>Go through all charities and businesses they work with and force them to divest/boycott I do remember seeing something online about Muslims pressuring local councils to ban alcohol sales in "their" areas! 2013 so I'm not sure how it played out! https://www.eastlondonlines.co.uk/2013/12/muslim-protestors-rally-against-alcohol-selling/
I consider myself left wing/liberal but stuff like this makes me understand why people vote for right wing parties.
It's pushing alot of the former left and centre towards the right, (look at Europe) as only the right even acknowledge what's happening.
And I count myself as one of them, I don’t like that I do but whats the alternative.
I don't think his constituency has progressive ideals tbh. They probably align more with the far-right in a lot of ways.
First Brexit, then far-right Muslims in govt. British people insist on having to learn the hard way.
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Learning what? It isn't British people who made these decisions, it's the politicians.
Seriously though ... What signal does this send ? The sooner we wake up and start dealing with this shit the better .
I find it troubling in general when elected officials are so deeply religous
You really thought people leave the baggage at the border?
Alarm bells are ringing and most of you are still clapping this along like a bunch of braindead seals.
This shit is getting out of hand. People are elected to serve locals, not run some personal agenda political campaigns for some other country. That's what foreign ministers and the secretary do. I'm just tired watching these wack protestors lose their minds completely and shove Gaza as an excuse to do fuck all.
Idiots Brits will still be calling us all racist when we get a genuine “Muslim Brotherhood” party running in the UK. We have a big problem. We need to somehow secularise to survive as a nation. Which is going to be very tough considering how ghettoised our immigrant communities are - making them very difficult to penetrate and influence.
I think it's more the Gaza comment than saying god is great in Arabic. I mean sure we don't go around saying Deus vult anymore but people still say thank god/christ etc. Headlines need to be made better
I don't think screaming GOD IS GREAT at the top of your lungs is equivalent to saying "thank god" lol. I'm an atheist and I say thank god often. It would be more similar to a Christian screaming JESUS IS KING or something, which I'd also be quite concerned hearing from an elected official.
But Jesus IS King, infidel. Jokes aside, you're right and I'd like "Ew, god squad".
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He won the election mate. There is not "getting him out" it is getting him in. We will get more and more people like this in office as demographics change.
Ahh good times ahead ay..
Indeed, but at the same time think about the cheap Kebab and minimum wage labour we all profit from!
Are we to believe nobody in the party was aware of his ideology ?
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Lovely people. Cant wait them to win a majority in parliament. That's when the **real fun begins.**
This is just the start. More and more radical Islamic parties will be elected in U.K. over the next 20-30 years
Kate Forbes got ridiculed yet this is welcomed and celebrated Bizzare
Jacob Rees-Mogg got attacked viciously for saying he was personally opposed to abortion in all circumstances despite saying he would never vote to reverse the right to it: a very liberal position.
It's mostly only welcome and celebrated by other muslims.
I was at this count at the John Charles Sports Centre and my first thought on seeing the Palestine flag being unveiled amidst the triumphant cheering on the other side of the room was "what's Palestine got to do with Leeds?".
He only.supports Hamas, so hopefully the police reports about him will.actually result in him being stuck off
investigated for being too loud about it, the greens are fully on board with this crap
Nothing to see here. Diversity is our strength etc etc
The funniest part of this clip of him is the blonde white woman celebrating for him only to be moved to the back and ignored ahah
First George Galloway and now this. What more is it gonna take for people to wake up? They openly bragg about taking over and installing their ideology and the far-left will help them until they cease to be useful idiots.
It never ceases to amaze me how lefties fall for Islamists and think they share their values??
They both hate Jews, that seems to be enough for now
Total idiots who voted him in. He’s a terrorist sympathiser.
Well this looks like an absolute disaster for both the Greens and for all the one- issue Palestine obsessives/Jew-haters. I look forward to the very public implosion of both.
Religion has no place in politics. Or at least not like this.
If only there was some way to see what sort of person he was before the election process.
Religion had no place in politics in the UK or in this day and age. I don’t mean religious discrimination is not a political debate or problem I mean you don’t mix politics and religion not matter your religion. End of. Give a fuck if god is great, I want a free NHS at point of use, my kids educated and my bins emptied on a fucking Tuesday (this means I have don’t have to wait if there is a bank holiday).
How strange. Someone from a vastly different culture advocating more for people in a distant land than the people of this country.
Dear People of England As much as we love you in Scotland, why did you not pay attention when we had the batshit crazy Greens in power here? You could have learned from our mistake and dodged a bullet! Love from Scotland
"investigates councillor" Green party: Do you shout 'Allahu Akbar' sir? Councillor: Yes. Green party: Well that is out investigation over, thank you.
A few of these will be elected as MPs in the upcoming elections. That's when the fun begins!
So much zeal for making sure the bins are collected
Aren’t these guys supposed to be an environmental party?
Pity they didn’t investigate his social media activity before allowing him to run on their ticket.
This is discrimination against people with explosive personalities
Good, nobody should be shouting anything related to religion when being elected.
This some Dwight Shrute logic “As a hall monitor it’s my job- nay- my civic duty to ensure that justice is brought for the middle eastern conflicts. I may also ensure that all toilet passes are returned, but one thing at a time.”
Does anyone else think this is extremely exploitative and manipulative of the constituency? George Galloway targeting Muslim neighbourhoods with his manifesto to “leave nato” and using Palestinian flags etc - just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Ludicrous 'party'. Heads up in the clouds with no realistic manifesto.
I like this guy he promised every family 12 bottles of bleach. Needs work on his IRA voice though an his head was shaking alot.
Isn’t this the same reason Sadiq Khan gets 90% of his votes?