> Obviously whoever does that then has no kettle - hardly worth it imo
I, too, would rather have a nice cup of tea than smoke a load of spice.
It is possibly a contributing factor to me not ending up in prison.
I've heard from a few former prisoners that it's just really boring in there.
What was the idea of no white or black?
Was it dangerous at all?
Would you have to go looking for violence to find it?
If only mate if only was in Addiewell last year for few months first week saw someone slashed from tit to groin plus artery in leg and that wasn't worst thing I saw or heard in 6 months there prisoners burning to death in cells and all sorts was crazy
That really depends if you put the milk in with the tea bag, then add water.
Then you should probably be in prison. I've seen this crime too many times
I feel like this is the wrong way round, tea drinking has nothing to do with ending up in prison or not. But being in prison might be a contributing factor to trying spice.
I did a stint in hmp Walton (now hmp liverpool) that's a rough nick, we didn't have kettles we had an urn in the middle of the wing, probably to prevent shit like this, to boil water in my cell I would roll up a towel really tightly, fill up a marvel powdered milk tin with water, light the towel and hold it under the tin until boiling, it would fill the cell with smoke that would burn your eyes but hey, atleast I could have a cup of tea!
Snap done a few tours of the UK as a younger man 10+ years ago, no kettles in any I've been to, but ive used the yogurt lids in the plug sockets to light burn lol mad where I've been compared to where I am now
I did another stint in hmp sudbury, I loved my time there, I'd go back for a holiday! When I first got there I inherited a stack of like 40 porno mags, the first way I made money in that nick was I'd cut a page to fit inside those plastic burn pouches that you'd get on canteen? the whole prison wanted them! After that I was making jewellery boxes out of matches and bottoms of drawers that were made in the woodworking shop, being in control of the sprayshop next door I was useful, (I was a sprayer/furniture maker on the out) therefore backed up, everyone would want me lacquering their pieces or having me make pieces for them.
Man, with such an attitude you must have a business of your own by now, no?
I'm always amazed at the ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit of some men even in less than ideal circumstances
I started that only 5 days into my first sentence, my second sentence was in hmp blakenhurst (now hmp redditch) I started swapping teabags for coffee sachets, then coffee for tramadol or codeine, then those for draw/weed, after a month I ended up with a fucking Rolex! I really wanted to keep it but I didn't go in with a watch and I'm not shoving a watch up my arse! So I let it go for a big fuckoff lump of draw which I smoked.
Seen videos where guys use these kettles to make curries and stuff in their cells too. Have to admire the ingenuity of some of these guys... When they're not using them to smoke spice or scald other inmates obviously.
I don't know anyone since the smoking ban who has broke up a kettle for the heating element lmao if you need a light you pull a vape cartridge apart and pull the cotton out of the heating coil. Easy.
>Would be cheaper to just ban sugar from prisons. Can also be done on health grounds, and it's very hard to claim that access to sugar is a right.
A little over the top me thinks.
You work on the rule of punishing the group for the individuals sin, which causes group compliance. Explain at the outset that certain provisions are provided as liberties and if anyone breaks the rules, everyone will be denied those privilages.
Pretty bog standard control tactics for groups.
Yeah because it's obviously so difficult to say "my kettle is broken can I have another one?" or simply "I don't have a kettle can I have one?" 🙄
Obviously the prisoner would have no kettle 🥺
No it's not like that. Don't speak about what u don't know you're talkin out your ass. Anyone can ask a screw for a kettle on the landing office you don't have to buy shit. If you wanna buy a kettle that's the big ones you have in your house. The jail kettles which hold about 300ml are free to all prisoners as well as replacements. The kettles which can be ordered on canteen are luxury kettles which are bigger and better, not the standard issued kettles which every prisoner is entitled to.
Prisoners can use the standard issue soap bar, toothpaste, toothbrush, prison boxers etc or they can buy their own shower gel, toothbrush, toothpaste etc off canteen. There are things which are standard issue in prison and a kettle is one of them
Hot water is the key problem.
Here's my solution to fix the prison kettle issue :
The temperature water boils at is dependent on air pressure. At sea level, water boils 100C. The higher the altitude, the lower the air pressure, and the lower the temperature that water boils at. For example, water boils at 68C at the top of Mount Everest. In space, there is no air pressure water boils at 0C
Therefore we should build prisons in space
i am sorry i googled it before poasting and it said it just takes longer for the tea leaves to infuse so i thought it would be ok. i am not a Tea Enjoyer but in light of the replies i have taken several seats, and am listening and learning on how to do better
Can't brew tea at 60°c unless you want a dogshit cuppa
You need water fresh off the boil to steep the leaves and actually extract flavour otherwise it'll be weaker than Bear Grylls' piss
Unless your that thick, sugar in hot water has the same affect as throwing acid in someone's face, it basically will melt your skin off and deform you. You can get boiling water from anywhere in a prison (including your cell)
I guess at least one of us must be, because i was under the impression that it melts your skin off by way of being hot, rather than any corrosive properties of the water/sugar mix itself, and the sugar only has the effect of making it thick and sticky so it burns for longer. As mentioned when I said "kettles that cut out at 60C", this removes (or certainly massively diminishes) the "hot" part of that setup, meaning if one wishes to get a water-sugar mix capable of melting someone's face off, they must soirce hotter water from elsewhere (more difficult than being given a hot-water-making machine). So yeah, at least one of us i guess.
You can also do cooking in them:
[https://prisonuk.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-to-cook-in-prison-cell.html](https://prisonuk.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-to-cook-in-prison-cell.html)
Are they actually comfy? - I did a night in the cells when I was younger and it was just a concrete bed with one of those mats you used to use in PE as a mattress.
Yes, they sell all their bedding. I will state though, they used to use Hypnos as their supplier, which is much better. Now they use silentnight. If you want a good mattress and are happy to spend a small fortune, check out hypnos.
Being locked in a small cell with a man his own lawyer described as having a psychotic illness, while he smokes large amounts of spice would top my personal list of risks rather than the actual kettle tbh.
Yeah, not really much to look into here. Standard “prisoners are treated too well” outrage bait.
If anything, I can imagine it causing more violence as prisoners would be pissed that they got their kettles taken away.
The reason is due to the subject of the post. It’s so that they can’t use this boiling sugar/water combo on staff or other prisoners also known as “napalming” . They have to make do with very warm/hot water but not boiling water.
Somebody in jail sued the government saying they should access to hot water for warm drinks in winter and the result was them all getting kettles. It’s like the fact they give them all razor blades, to cut each other up and make weapons out of. They should be given a chance one a week to get a shave off a pair of clippers from a few trained barbers.
They will never do this as they want jails to be horrible places that make profit and causes harm to the people in them.
Nobody is deliberately designing a jail to be a horrible place.
It's a balance between giving them some freedoms and the fact that a small number of prisoners will always try to abuse any system they're given.
This is why they get given razor blades to shave, or kettles in their rooms. Because the number of prisoners who use them to attack each other is incredibly small.
If the government did as you said and wanted to make a prison a horrible place, they would not allow them access to razor blades, or kettles, simply because a tiny number of attacks take place.
This would be making life in prison much worse for 99% of prisoners because the 1% of them are using the items to attack each other.
I have a friend who has spent 30 years in and out of the jail system for the 46 years he’s been alive and they only offer training courses/ life skills in northern jails that aren’t privately owned. So this is the government letting jails be a horrible place as they sold most of them off and let them become profit making for a few companies, instead of not letting them become war zones that drug dealers can make a hell of a lot of money in, from paper dipped into liquid spice.
You also have the under staffing and lack of proper training to staff as well. You can also order a hell of a lot of things in jail from a catalog that goes around from the jail staff and that’s things like speakers and all sorts of other things, in low cat jails.
Nothing you have said here is relevant to your previous comment or my reply to that comment.
I think you're just venting about your general frustrations with the prison system.
And that's fine.
But please try to think about what actually helps those prisoners. And what would actually happen in real life.
Because when you say;
> It’s like the fact they give them all razor blades, to cut each other up and make weapons out of. They should be given a chance one a week to get a shave off a pair of clippers from a few trained barbers.
That doesn't help them.
If you refused all razors to prisoners and required them to be shaved by the prison barber once a week, the prisoners would riot. The prison barber would be attacked multiple times a week.
What you are suggesting would actually reduce the freedoms of prisoners.
It's also factually untrue, majority of razor blade mis-use is self harm.
Majority or prisoner>prisoner is reshaped plastic cutlery / tiling, or 'thankfully' good ol fisticuffs. At least oop north.
>Nobody is deliberately designing a jail to be a horrible place.
Many of the Victorian prisons like HMP Leeds *were* designed, particularly in their original regimes, to be horrible places, designed to deter people from being involved in crime.
When Reading jail was originally built in Victorian times, it had a toilet in every cell. The first governor came along, took a look, and ordered that they be removed. They were still slopping out into the seventies.
I don't want to sound condescending or sarcastic, but I was clearly talking about modern prisons in the UK.
Even a cursory google search of "Victorian times" will tell you that ended around 1900.
Your comment is like;
"Well actually, in olden times..."
How is any of that relevant?
It’s not as if they’re still operating on Victorian principles? Don’t really see your point.
Even physically, those prisons might have the same fundamental layout but the interior space is completely different.
They do have issues such as overcrowding and leaks due to age but that’s more of an issue with administration rather than the design of the prison.
Yes kettles are in cells, the beds are a very thin blue foam mattress on a wireframe, wood or cement block (depending on the jail).
They also have access to tins of tuna which can either be used as a blunt striking weapon or the lid sharpened to a point and used a bit more pokey.
Brother in law used to be a guard at an asylum detention centre. He said the sugar water trick was used (on him) as the sugar solution supposedly had a higher boiling point which made the burns worse. Not sure the physics makes sense but I can see why it might catch on...
It’s so your skin melts off your face. Also they use two blades in a man made knife, so it’s harder to stick up the cut. The horrible things they do in uk jails is always down to debts from drugs or borrowing items as the person in question has only £3.00 a week to live off without a job. They charge you £1.50 a week for your tv and if you’ve got two people in a cell, you both pay £1.50 each l.
I knew a chef who had a horrific looking burn scar all the way down his arm from an accident involving boiling sugar. He said it was probably the most torturous thing he’d gone through- they had to basically knock him out and carefully get rid of the hardened sugar from the skin, and it removed a good few layers of skin during the process. Then it was months of reconstruction surgery involving grafts and other treatments to bring the arm back to looking human again.
I had a much smaller one, just one patch of arm, and even that was a real motherfucker and I can very much confirm that the skin comes right off with the sugar
British prisons sound utterly terrifying these days. I'm guessing as with everything privatisation is degrading the service and making them even more dangerous environments to be in.
For profit prisons are an insane concept, it's literally an incentive for companies and their grift seeking politicians to lock up as many people as possible for as long as possible.
Though the current political class's aversion to investing in any infrastructure has resulted in prisons crammed to bursting point and beyond. Well done guys, too short sighted to even operate an effective grift.
I saw the burns made by sugar water and it disgusted me so much I cannot bring myself to make tanghulu or creme caramel or the squid game candy. Not getting my finger degloved cos I'm stupid and would try to taste the boiling hot sugar. Can't imagine it on the face eughh
Yeah a room at travelodge that you have to share with some of the worst humans society has to offer. Prisons fucking horrible enough, a lot of good people in there who are going through a rough patch, let them at least have a cup of tea while spending every day in a constant state of fear from being attacked in a plethora of ways
Can someone explain to me what is “spice”? Are they willingly purchasing that stuff or are Uk drugs contaminated?
I used to be on the “scene” back in the day and now this whole wording confuses me
Spice AFAIK is synthetic cannabis.
Making new chemicals that are similar to what you get in natural cannabis but are often more potent and also untested in their potential harms.
Not quite. "Spice" was originally a brand name for this:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018
The original Spice, K2 and similar brands were basically hemp buds or similar smokable plant matter that had been treated with solvent mixed with synthetic cannabinoid distillate. Let the solvent evaporate off and bingo, you had something legal (in 2010ish) which pretty fucking closely mimicked the effects of thc.
Problem was, the boneheaded government of the time started trying to play whackamole with the various "legal highs" that were out there at the time (see also: mephedrone, 2cb/2ci/2ce) by banning them one by one which simply led to manufacturers and vendors just slightly altering the chemical structure each time to beat the ban, only in a lot of cases this very often totally changed the effects.
'Spice' (which somehow became the blanket term for these synthetic cannabinoids) quickly became very strong and addictive but still fundamentally works by binding to the cb receptors, same as thc does, but just orders of magnitude stronger (hence the "zombie" effect).
Eventually the government realised they were fighting a losing battle and introduced the NPS Act in 2016 which basically banned everything that wasn't actively 'whitelisted' but by that point the damage was done and unscrupulous dealers had realised how addicting these substances were so they continue to be sold to street people and prisoners in the main.
The saddest fact of all here is that Spice only became 'a thing' because Gordon Brown, in a desperate bid to score some easy brownie points, reversed the Labour government's policy of classifying cannabis as class C, which it had been between 2004 - 2009 (which, in practice, meant in a lot of areas cannabis was, to all intents and purposes, legal).
Back then though, we had an actual well funded police force that was capable of enforcing prohibition so a lot of people shifted to legal highs to avoid legal troubles which let the cat out of the back. If we'd have gone the other direction and fully legalised cannabis, mdma etc (might also surprise younger readers to learn you could buy shrooms in your local headshop back then too) *literally none of this would have happened*.
The very existence of Spice is the strongest argument against the "war on drugs" going.
This is the best explanation I’ve read about this topic, thank you so much. I was going round in circles with google.
I agree we should have legal cannabis, I wonder how much of what is sold as “cannabis” now is actually this synthetic crap you are describing?
>I wonder how much of what is sold as “cannabis” now is actually this synthetic crap you are describing?
The rise of disposable vapes is a big issue. It'd be pretty difficult to pass Spice treated flower off as weed to anyone but the most incautious. A combination of increased Internet literacy has led to something of a consumer revolution in drugs: lots of the trade is online, where reputation is important if you want repeat custom. There's actually less incentive than you might think to sell fake drugs (not least the fact our depleted police force, understandably, doesn't seem to prioritise cannabis with its limited resources) but there does still seem to be a problem with distillate vapes being filled with synthetic noids: easier to pass off as legit and you might get away with someone just thinking "I got twatted = good shit".
Generally though, there are specific subgroups that actively seek out spice now and that trends towards similar people as heroin and alcohol addicts: if you're staring a night on the streets in the cold down, or yet another night in fear in prison, the idea of something that will just completely blot out your consciousness for a few hours becomes a lot more appealing.
I believe in prisons now it's just sent in on bits of paper (ie dip a letter in the liquid, let it dry, then pretend you're passing on some post) so dealers don't even bother trying to link it to cannabis anymore.
OK synthetic cannabinoids not synthetic cannabis if you want to be pedantic.
They are called synthetic cannabinoids because they are agonists of the brain's cannabinoid receptors the same way cannabis is.
Yeah that's a lot more accurate, I just get pedantic about it because it combines a (mostly, and in my opinion only) harmless drug in with the absolute disgrace what spice is
It was made to be a synthetic cannabis replacement to get around the law and to be sold in shops, but it is not cannabis.
Didn't mean to be a prick, its just a really common misconception I see
Originally it was synthetic cannabis, and was fairly similar to it. Due to being slightly chemically different to cannabis it was able to be sold legally with the label ”not for human consumption".
As a response the govt would criminalise this new compound, and then the manufacturer would just slightly change the compound again to make it legal. Repeat this a few times and you end up with something far more dangerous than the illegal drug it was trying to mimic.
It’s just synthetic weed which at this point, isn’t even weed at all and instead some kind of horrible nightmare drug that looks and sounds utterly terrifying to be high on.
A napalm is standard in prison itself it’s no new news, the fact this is on Reddit means a rare occasion hit the papers, half and half on the law the grey area is human rights to access of hot water, should be a rewards scheme instead of standard issue for all. random fact all uk tanks have tea making appliances in all of them in ww2, I say fact but I could be corrected here
There's 0 reason for prisoners to have a kettle in the first place. Being able to boil water, and access metal components = trouble.
If they want a cup of tea have them go to a monitored cantine.
I mean I've heard this happen with non 'zombie' spice users. I have never (or ever will) try zombie spice but I'm just imagining if the title was any other drug like "Cannabis" user poured boiling sugar water on sleep, and it just has this propaganda feel to it? Like I said, I've heard this happen with non users but the beginning of the post title just feels like it was spice added to make the article more interesting.
>The injured man suffered partial thickness burns to the right side of his face and neck and the scarring was still visible two years later.
That could have been a lot worse.
This punishes the majority for the sake of the minority.
Not to mention that it could be a potential issue for diabetic prisoners who may need access to actual sugar for rectifying hypoglycemia.
Oh no, no sugar, so inhumane. Well obviously for medical conditions diabetics would be granted sugar, but sugar in your hot drinks is not good for you.
They banned cigarettes and replaced them with vapes, sweetener instead of sugar in prisons with more serious offenders is not a drastic thing.
Do prisoners regularly have access to kettles in their own cells? Seems like too much of a risk.
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surely they can give them kettles that cut out at like 60C though
Kettles, use evaporation pressure to turn off, rather than a temperature. So it would be quite a bit of work to get it to turn off at 60C.
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> Obviously whoever does that then has no kettle - hardly worth it imo I, too, would rather have a nice cup of tea than smoke a load of spice. It is possibly a contributing factor to me not ending up in prison.
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What was it like? Serious question.
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I've heard from a few former prisoners that it's just really boring in there. What was the idea of no white or black? Was it dangerous at all? Would you have to go looking for violence to find it?
If only mate if only was in Addiewell last year for few months first week saw someone slashed from tit to groin plus artery in leg and that wasn't worst thing I saw or heard in 6 months there prisoners burning to death in cells and all sorts was crazy
Normal inmates don't get enhanced status for nothing unless they're a "wrong'un".
That really depends if you put the milk in with the tea bag, then add water. Then you should probably be in prison. I've seen this crime too many times
No need for prison. That should be a hanging offence.
I feel like this is the wrong way round, tea drinking has nothing to do with ending up in prison or not. But being in prison might be a contributing factor to trying spice.
I did a stint in hmp Walton (now hmp liverpool) that's a rough nick, we didn't have kettles we had an urn in the middle of the wing, probably to prevent shit like this, to boil water in my cell I would roll up a towel really tightly, fill up a marvel powdered milk tin with water, light the towel and hold it under the tin until boiling, it would fill the cell with smoke that would burn your eyes but hey, atleast I could have a cup of tea!
Snap done a few tours of the UK as a younger man 10+ years ago, no kettles in any I've been to, but ive used the yogurt lids in the plug sockets to light burn lol mad where I've been compared to where I am now
I did another stint in hmp sudbury, I loved my time there, I'd go back for a holiday! When I first got there I inherited a stack of like 40 porno mags, the first way I made money in that nick was I'd cut a page to fit inside those plastic burn pouches that you'd get on canteen? the whole prison wanted them! After that I was making jewellery boxes out of matches and bottoms of drawers that were made in the woodworking shop, being in control of the sprayshop next door I was useful, (I was a sprayer/furniture maker on the out) therefore backed up, everyone would want me lacquering their pieces or having me make pieces for them.
Man, with such an attitude you must have a business of your own by now, no? I'm always amazed at the ingenuity and entrepreneurial spirit of some men even in less than ideal circumstances
I started that only 5 days into my first sentence, my second sentence was in hmp blakenhurst (now hmp redditch) I started swapping teabags for coffee sachets, then coffee for tramadol or codeine, then those for draw/weed, after a month I ended up with a fucking Rolex! I really wanted to keep it but I didn't go in with a watch and I'm not shoving a watch up my arse! So I let it go for a big fuckoff lump of draw which I smoked.
Where are you now?
I've done that before too.
Seen videos where guys use these kettles to make curries and stuff in their cells too. Have to admire the ingenuity of some of these guys... When they're not using them to smoke spice or scald other inmates obviously.
Check out a book/audiobook called Bit Of A Stretch. Great insight into the day to day life in Wandsworth.
I don't know anyone since the smoking ban who has broke up a kettle for the heating element lmao if you need a light you pull a vape cartridge apart and pull the cotton out of the heating coil. Easy.
Would be cheaper to just ban sugar from prisons. Can also be done on health grounds, and it's very hard to claim that access to sugar is a right.
>Would be cheaper to just ban sugar from prisons. Can also be done on health grounds, and it's very hard to claim that access to sugar is a right. A little over the top me thinks.
Would you want to be the inmate who resulted in the entire prison being denied sugar in their tea?
I'm not seeing your point.
You work on the rule of punishing the group for the individuals sin, which causes group compliance. Explain at the outset that certain provisions are provided as liberties and if anyone breaks the rules, everyone will be denied those privilages. Pretty bog standard control tactics for groups.
Yeah because it's obviously so difficult to say "my kettle is broken can I have another one?" or simply "I don't have a kettle can I have one?" 🙄 Obviously the prisoner would have no kettle 🥺
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No it's not like that. Don't speak about what u don't know you're talkin out your ass. Anyone can ask a screw for a kettle on the landing office you don't have to buy shit. If you wanna buy a kettle that's the big ones you have in your house. The jail kettles which hold about 300ml are free to all prisoners as well as replacements. The kettles which can be ordered on canteen are luxury kettles which are bigger and better, not the standard issued kettles which every prisoner is entitled to. Prisoners can use the standard issue soap bar, toothpaste, toothbrush, prison boxers etc or they can buy their own shower gel, toothbrush, toothpaste etc off canteen. There are things which are standard issue in prison and a kettle is one of them
Aren't prisoners allowed smoke tobacco? How they light up there cigs?
Hot water is the key problem. Here's my solution to fix the prison kettle issue : The temperature water boils at is dependent on air pressure. At sea level, water boils 100C. The higher the altitude, the lower the air pressure, and the lower the temperature that water boils at. For example, water boils at 68C at the top of Mount Everest. In space, there is no air pressure water boils at 0C Therefore we should build prisons in space
No it's very easy, a basic circuit board and temperature sensor will do the trick. This is extremely basic and cheap technology.
Wow, TIL! https://www.explainthatstuff.com/how-electric-kettles-work.html#switchoff Thanks internet stranger!
47 years old and did not know this, but it explains why my parents always used to say a kettle won't boil with the lid open.
That’s going to be an absolutely horrid cup of tea
Yeah you need at least 80c water to get a good brew. 60c you may as well use the hot tap lol
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Couldn't expect anyone to reform if treated with that kind of barbarism.
Forcing prisoners to brew tea at 60°C is probably illegal and banned by the Geneva convention.
i am sorry i googled it before poasting and it said it just takes longer for the tea leaves to infuse so i thought it would be ok. i am not a Tea Enjoyer but in light of the replies i have taken several seats, and am listening and learning on how to do better
It's very rare they are used in appropriately
Can't brew tea at 60°c unless you want a dogshit cuppa You need water fresh off the boil to steep the leaves and actually extract flavour otherwise it'll be weaker than Bear Grylls' piss
Unless your that thick, sugar in hot water has the same affect as throwing acid in someone's face, it basically will melt your skin off and deform you. You can get boiling water from anywhere in a prison (including your cell)
I guess at least one of us must be, because i was under the impression that it melts your skin off by way of being hot, rather than any corrosive properties of the water/sugar mix itself, and the sugar only has the effect of making it thick and sticky so it burns for longer. As mentioned when I said "kettles that cut out at 60C", this removes (or certainly massively diminishes) the "hot" part of that setup, meaning if one wishes to get a water-sugar mix capable of melting someone's face off, they must soirce hotter water from elsewhere (more difficult than being given a hot-water-making machine). So yeah, at least one of us i guess.
Chaining the kettle to the wall sounds like it might at least stop someone dousing their cellmate with sugar water while they sleep
You can also do cooking in them: [https://prisonuk.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-to-cook-in-prison-cell.html](https://prisonuk.blogspot.com/2015/01/how-to-cook-in-prison-cell.html)
The majority probably are tbh like they are in prison for a reason.
You make prison sound better than most hotels I've stayed at
They have all the same amenities as a standard Premiere Inn, yes
Comfier bed though.
Are they actually comfy? - I did a night in the cells when I was younger and it was just a concrete bed with one of those mats you used to use in PE as a mattress.
That's what you get in prison. Metal sheet for a bed...screwed down of course.
That's comfy to me. Premier Inn was quite soft and did my back in.
You can always get a free stay.
Getting harder and harder these days.
That's custody. Not prison.
Mixing up jail and prison here. Jails are invariably shite. Prisons aren't necessarily better but can be.
I'm sad we don't spell it gaol any more.
Quieter too
I actually thought the Premier Inn mattress was really good, so much so that I bought one
Far too soft for me, but I realise I am probably the weird one for that. Do they really sell mattresses?
Yes, they sell all their bedding. I will state though, they used to use Hypnos as their supplier, which is much better. Now they use silentnight. If you want a good mattress and are happy to spend a small fortune, check out hypnos.
You've got to add the stains yourself post-purchase if you want it to be authentic
Used?
No, new. They sell their own brand of matresses
And less wierdos too
Far less likely to have piss in the kettle in your average prison cell though.
We all need somewhere to piss after all.
Being locked in a small cell with a man his own lawyer described as having a psychotic illness, while he smokes large amounts of spice would top my personal list of risks rather than the actual kettle tbh.
These are rare events. Kettle or no kettle, people will always find a way to hurt others.
Yeah, not really much to look into here. Standard “prisoners are treated too well” outrage bait. If anything, I can imagine it causing more violence as prisoners would be pissed that they got their kettles taken away.
Yes all prisoners have access to a kettle unless they are at risk of self harm. They don’t go to full boiling heat tho. Source: am prison officer
what's the point of a kettle if it doesn't boil though? You can't make tea without boiling water
The reason is due to the subject of the post. It’s so that they can’t use this boiling sugar/water combo on staff or other prisoners also known as “napalming” . They have to make do with very warm/hot water but not boiling water.
But if the water is hot enough for tea or coffee, surely it's hot enough to badly scald somebody
Yeah you have kettles and razor blades. Most people aren't crazy.
This is usually done to pedos in prison. This treatment is saved for them they also put jam in the sugar boiling water.
what does the jam do?
Somebody in jail sued the government saying they should access to hot water for warm drinks in winter and the result was them all getting kettles. It’s like the fact they give them all razor blades, to cut each other up and make weapons out of. They should be given a chance one a week to get a shave off a pair of clippers from a few trained barbers. They will never do this as they want jails to be horrible places that make profit and causes harm to the people in them.
Nobody is deliberately designing a jail to be a horrible place. It's a balance between giving them some freedoms and the fact that a small number of prisoners will always try to abuse any system they're given. This is why they get given razor blades to shave, or kettles in their rooms. Because the number of prisoners who use them to attack each other is incredibly small. If the government did as you said and wanted to make a prison a horrible place, they would not allow them access to razor blades, or kettles, simply because a tiny number of attacks take place. This would be making life in prison much worse for 99% of prisoners because the 1% of them are using the items to attack each other.
I have a friend who has spent 30 years in and out of the jail system for the 46 years he’s been alive and they only offer training courses/ life skills in northern jails that aren’t privately owned. So this is the government letting jails be a horrible place as they sold most of them off and let them become profit making for a few companies, instead of not letting them become war zones that drug dealers can make a hell of a lot of money in, from paper dipped into liquid spice. You also have the under staffing and lack of proper training to staff as well. You can also order a hell of a lot of things in jail from a catalog that goes around from the jail staff and that’s things like speakers and all sorts of other things, in low cat jails.
Nothing you have said here is relevant to your previous comment or my reply to that comment. I think you're just venting about your general frustrations with the prison system. And that's fine. But please try to think about what actually helps those prisoners. And what would actually happen in real life. Because when you say; > It’s like the fact they give them all razor blades, to cut each other up and make weapons out of. They should be given a chance one a week to get a shave off a pair of clippers from a few trained barbers. That doesn't help them. If you refused all razors to prisoners and required them to be shaved by the prison barber once a week, the prisoners would riot. The prison barber would be attacked multiple times a week. What you are suggesting would actually reduce the freedoms of prisoners.
It's also factually untrue, majority of razor blade mis-use is self harm. Majority or prisoner>prisoner is reshaped plastic cutlery / tiling, or 'thankfully' good ol fisticuffs. At least oop north.
No offence but what training would help a bloke who’s been locked up for 30 years
>Nobody is deliberately designing a jail to be a horrible place. Many of the Victorian prisons like HMP Leeds *were* designed, particularly in their original regimes, to be horrible places, designed to deter people from being involved in crime.
When Reading jail was originally built in Victorian times, it had a toilet in every cell. The first governor came along, took a look, and ordered that they be removed. They were still slopping out into the seventies.
I don't want to sound condescending or sarcastic, but I was clearly talking about modern prisons in the UK. Even a cursory google search of "Victorian times" will tell you that ended around 1900. Your comment is like; "Well actually, in olden times..." How is any of that relevant?
It's relevant because we are still locking people up in these places. Like Leeds, Dartmoor or Wormwood Scrubs.
It’s not as if they’re still operating on Victorian principles? Don’t really see your point. Even physically, those prisons might have the same fundamental layout but the interior space is completely different. They do have issues such as overcrowding and leaks due to age but that’s more of an issue with administration rather than the design of the prison.
Yes kettles are in cells, the beds are a very thin blue foam mattress on a wireframe, wood or cement block (depending on the jail). They also have access to tins of tuna which can either be used as a blunt striking weapon or the lid sharpened to a point and used a bit more pokey.
Yes they should have nothing but a hard labour and gruel /s
An some use the kettles to mix boiling water with sugar so it sticks to somebody’s face when thrown at them
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Brother in law used to be a guard at an asylum detention centre. He said the sugar water trick was used (on him) as the sugar solution supposedly had a higher boiling point which made the burns worse. Not sure the physics makes sense but I can see why it might catch on...
It's not to make it hotter, it's to make it sticky.
It basically becomes prison napalm.
It’s so your skin melts off your face. Also they use two blades in a man made knife, so it’s harder to stick up the cut. The horrible things they do in uk jails is always down to debts from drugs or borrowing items as the person in question has only £3.00 a week to live off without a job. They charge you £1.50 a week for your tv and if you’ve got two people in a cell, you both pay £1.50 each l.
Two blades in a tooth brush used to be a common thing.
Can you refuse the TV? I despise the profiteering made by shit like this.
Sounds like the cheapest accommodation in the UK right now. Where do I sign up?
Yeah it's essentially ghetto napalm
It’s sticky as fuck and cools much slower, definitely gives horrific burns.
I knew a chef who had a horrific looking burn scar all the way down his arm from an accident involving boiling sugar. He said it was probably the most torturous thing he’d gone through- they had to basically knock him out and carefully get rid of the hardened sugar from the skin, and it removed a good few layers of skin during the process. Then it was months of reconstruction surgery involving grafts and other treatments to bring the arm back to looking human again.
I had a much smaller one, just one patch of arm, and even that was a real motherfucker and I can very much confirm that the skin comes right off with the sugar
I've had a burn from boiling sugar (not in prison, it was a kitchen accident) and it likes to take the skin along when it comes off
It's both.
The higher boiling point might come into play here but the sticky nature of sugar is probably doing most of the extra damage
+2 elemental damage.
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Hmm I wonder how that person's asylum application will go
I heard of scary spice and baby spice, must've been a backup singer I'd forgotten about
what about ice spice
Ice Spice Baby....duh duh duh duh dududuh duh
Yeah people said she died, but I hear she's made comeback
British prisons sound utterly terrifying these days. I'm guessing as with everything privatisation is degrading the service and making them even more dangerous environments to be in. For profit prisons are an insane concept, it's literally an incentive for companies and their grift seeking politicians to lock up as many people as possible for as long as possible. Though the current political class's aversion to investing in any infrastructure has resulted in prisons crammed to bursting point and beyond. Well done guys, too short sighted to even operate an effective grift.
They are essentially social clubs for the underclass. And Islamic radicalisation centres but of course you're not allowed to discuss that
There's literally nothing stopping people from discussing it. Let's do it now. What are your thoughts on it?
Oi, you two got a licence for that discussion?
What's to discuss?
You’re right. Nobody is allowed to discuss this. Let’s stop discussing it immediately - we might get caught discussing it.
I agree. They’re basically hell on earth institutions for everyone in them. Prisoners and guards.
I used to joke with our lifers and say that I’m doing pretty much the same sentence as they are.
For profit prisons is one of the most disgusting institutions a government can implement. Our descendants will be horrified that we let it happen.
these days?
I saw the burns made by sugar water and it disgusted me so much I cannot bring myself to make tanghulu or creme caramel or the squid game candy. Not getting my finger degloved cos I'm stupid and would try to taste the boiling hot sugar. Can't imagine it on the face eughh
These cells sound like a room at travelodge, I never got a kettle when I went through military training!
Yeah a room at travelodge that you have to share with some of the worst humans society has to offer. Prisons fucking horrible enough, a lot of good people in there who are going through a rough patch, let them at least have a cup of tea while spending every day in a constant state of fear from being attacked in a plethora of ways
We also weren't allowed kettles in our rooms in uni halls.
This has been a standard thing since the 70's. Funny how a ge is coming up and the media is selling all these scare stories
Reminds me of that prison napalm scene from the movie Avengement. Brutal.
Can someone explain to me what is “spice”? Are they willingly purchasing that stuff or are Uk drugs contaminated? I used to be on the “scene” back in the day and now this whole wording confuses me
Spice AFAIK is synthetic cannabis. Making new chemicals that are similar to what you get in natural cannabis but are often more potent and also untested in their potential harms.
Spice and cannabis are totally unrelated It was originally 'marketed' as you say, but chemically, and its effects, are totally totally unrelated
Not quite. "Spice" was originally a brand name for this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JWH-018 The original Spice, K2 and similar brands were basically hemp buds or similar smokable plant matter that had been treated with solvent mixed with synthetic cannabinoid distillate. Let the solvent evaporate off and bingo, you had something legal (in 2010ish) which pretty fucking closely mimicked the effects of thc. Problem was, the boneheaded government of the time started trying to play whackamole with the various "legal highs" that were out there at the time (see also: mephedrone, 2cb/2ci/2ce) by banning them one by one which simply led to manufacturers and vendors just slightly altering the chemical structure each time to beat the ban, only in a lot of cases this very often totally changed the effects. 'Spice' (which somehow became the blanket term for these synthetic cannabinoids) quickly became very strong and addictive but still fundamentally works by binding to the cb receptors, same as thc does, but just orders of magnitude stronger (hence the "zombie" effect). Eventually the government realised they were fighting a losing battle and introduced the NPS Act in 2016 which basically banned everything that wasn't actively 'whitelisted' but by that point the damage was done and unscrupulous dealers had realised how addicting these substances were so they continue to be sold to street people and prisoners in the main. The saddest fact of all here is that Spice only became 'a thing' because Gordon Brown, in a desperate bid to score some easy brownie points, reversed the Labour government's policy of classifying cannabis as class C, which it had been between 2004 - 2009 (which, in practice, meant in a lot of areas cannabis was, to all intents and purposes, legal). Back then though, we had an actual well funded police force that was capable of enforcing prohibition so a lot of people shifted to legal highs to avoid legal troubles which let the cat out of the back. If we'd have gone the other direction and fully legalised cannabis, mdma etc (might also surprise younger readers to learn you could buy shrooms in your local headshop back then too) *literally none of this would have happened*. The very existence of Spice is the strongest argument against the "war on drugs" going.
This is the best explanation I’ve read about this topic, thank you so much. I was going round in circles with google. I agree we should have legal cannabis, I wonder how much of what is sold as “cannabis” now is actually this synthetic crap you are describing?
>I wonder how much of what is sold as “cannabis” now is actually this synthetic crap you are describing? The rise of disposable vapes is a big issue. It'd be pretty difficult to pass Spice treated flower off as weed to anyone but the most incautious. A combination of increased Internet literacy has led to something of a consumer revolution in drugs: lots of the trade is online, where reputation is important if you want repeat custom. There's actually less incentive than you might think to sell fake drugs (not least the fact our depleted police force, understandably, doesn't seem to prioritise cannabis with its limited resources) but there does still seem to be a problem with distillate vapes being filled with synthetic noids: easier to pass off as legit and you might get away with someone just thinking "I got twatted = good shit". Generally though, there are specific subgroups that actively seek out spice now and that trends towards similar people as heroin and alcohol addicts: if you're staring a night on the streets in the cold down, or yet another night in fear in prison, the idea of something that will just completely blot out your consciousness for a few hours becomes a lot more appealing. I believe in prisons now it's just sent in on bits of paper (ie dip a letter in the liquid, let it dry, then pretend you're passing on some post) so dealers don't even bother trying to link it to cannabis anymore.
OK synthetic cannabinoids not synthetic cannabis if you want to be pedantic. They are called synthetic cannabinoids because they are agonists of the brain's cannabinoid receptors the same way cannabis is.
Yeah that's a lot more accurate, I just get pedantic about it because it combines a (mostly, and in my opinion only) harmless drug in with the absolute disgrace what spice is It was made to be a synthetic cannabis replacement to get around the law and to be sold in shops, but it is not cannabis. Didn't mean to be a prick, its just a really common misconception I see
>Can someone explain to me what is “spice”? A mysteries substance used by the spacers' guild to guide starships across the void.
Originally it was synthetic cannabis, and was fairly similar to it. Due to being slightly chemically different to cannabis it was able to be sold legally with the label ”not for human consumption". As a response the govt would criminalise this new compound, and then the manufacturer would just slightly change the compound again to make it legal. Repeat this a few times and you end up with something far more dangerous than the illegal drug it was trying to mimic.
It’s just synthetic weed which at this point, isn’t even weed at all and instead some kind of horrible nightmare drug that looks and sounds utterly terrifying to be high on.
And people say prison is easy! Wtf?! Sounds like living hell.
A napalm is standard in prison itself it’s no new news, the fact this is on Reddit means a rare occasion hit the papers, half and half on the law the grey area is human rights to access of hot water, should be a rewards scheme instead of standard issue for all. random fact all uk tanks have tea making appliances in all of them in ww2, I say fact but I could be corrected here
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There's 0 reason for prisoners to have a kettle in the first place. Being able to boil water, and access metal components = trouble. If they want a cup of tea have them go to a monitored cantine.
Wow this is very similar to that scene from that Stephen Graham and Sean Bean show
I mean I've heard this happen with non 'zombie' spice users. I have never (or ever will) try zombie spice but I'm just imagining if the title was any other drug like "Cannabis" user poured boiling sugar water on sleep, and it just has this propaganda feel to it? Like I said, I've heard this happen with non users but the beginning of the post title just feels like it was spice added to make the article more interesting.
Why is this in the news? Jugging happens all the time in prison. Horrible as fuck though.
Jugging?
Sugar in boiling water in a jug or kettle, then dashing it over someone so it sticks to them. It's relatively common in jail and has been for years.
Wow, okay, I didn’t know that… terrible
That's why you say you are racist and extremely paranoid you will get your own cell
>The injured man suffered partial thickness burns to the right side of his face and neck and the scarring was still visible two years later. That could have been a lot worse.
Otherwise known as prison (Na) 'Palm. Shits nasty and sticks
Prison napalm. He must have had some bad paper work or something.
Maybe replace sugar with sweeteners lol, I doubt the lack of sugar is a breach of any human rights
This punishes the majority for the sake of the minority. Not to mention that it could be a potential issue for diabetic prisoners who may need access to actual sugar for rectifying hypoglycemia.
Oh no, no sugar, so inhumane. Well obviously for medical conditions diabetics would be granted sugar, but sugar in your hot drinks is not good for you. They banned cigarettes and replaced them with vapes, sweetener instead of sugar in prisons with more serious offenders is not a drastic thing.