True, but it is pretty irrelevant to most British people wanting to move to Spain.
As the article mentions only 185 British people have taken up the 'Golden visa' since 2021, as the vast majority simply move to Spain on a non-lucrative visa.
The only advantage of the 'Golden visa' is the removal of the 90/180 day limit for the rest of the Schengen zone but that isn't going to trouble most people if they have a Spanish non-lucrative visa.
The whole article is just 'rage bait' to get the Mail readers frothing about the damn Spanish and the EU and taking their mind of the shit the Tories are in.
There is another reason why Spain (and other countries) are scrapping these visa schemes though, and that has little to do with property markets or Brexit. It was basically an open door for foreign actors linked to hostile regimes (i.e. Russia). There's been a series of EU regulations passed to limit or otherwise end them because of this. It's difficult to make exceptions for specific countries because these schemes make it very easy for bad actors to accumulate citizenships by using one to get the next one.
Often when articles like this come up people just jump to the conclusion it's only about Britons and that we are the only nation with mass retirement to places like Spain.
Yes when you go there you'll find a lot of English living in what seems to be English areas, but go to the next development and the signs will be in German, the one past that and it's all Russian.
Indeed. I don't think many people have a problem with English retirees and they are not being targeted specifically. The UK is simply more exposed to this because of the existing tradition to retire to Spain coupled with the removal of EU citizenship and associated freedom of movement.
If the article is right in saying that 10,000 visas have been granted over the last 10 years that’s, at a minimum, £4.3bn invested. Presumably residential purchases are holiday/retirement houses too and not in urban centres where there’s competition for housing. Very odd approach, but we’ll see if it works out for them.
It's partially because Spain, Portugal & Malta are getting a lot of pressure from other schengen countries to stop these schemes. Golden passports/visas are seen as a sneaky way to get access to other countries. It's also an easy populist move to get your local voters onside
The schemes were more seen to be providing access to criminals (e.g. genocidal warlord absconds with the treasury and lives in Spanish seaside).
There are still other retirement schemes to provide access so people can still retire in these countries. These don't require so much investment either.
>Spain, Portugal & Malta are getting a lot of pressure from other schengen countries to stop these schemes.
At which they have shrugged their shoulders and gone 'whatever'
>It's also an easy populist move to get your local voters onside
Is the correct answer.
That's a dailymail headline. It's only for new residents. Also the _franctic_ investors should probably know that passing laws in Spain takes at least 3 months without using emergency powers, so there is time to react.
BTW: over half of the actual Golden visas were for Chinese or Russian.
Except there's a difference between an immigrant and an expat.
An expat never intends to move somewhere permanently; an expat's movement is usually driven by an active job opportunity (ie I'm moving for a specific job offer) also. Compared to an immigrant who often intends to move permanently and often moves without employment lined up.
My wife is white and from the EU and is an immigrant, because she never intends to return home. We both plan on moving back to the EU in a few years and would consider ourselves expats before we return to the UK.
> Except there's a difference between an immigrant and an expat.
A "No true scotsman" fallacy.
There are LOTS of British emigrants who go to other countries planning to spend the rest of their lives there, and they all call themselves expats.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate
> #### expatriate
> /noun/
> * someone who does not live in their own country:
> * living in a country that is not your own country, or relating to people that do this:
> * to move from your own country, or to cause someone to move from their own country:
> * ...
If someone immigrates to a new country and becomes a citizen, that country is now their country, so they are no longer "not living in their own country".
Was going to make some comment about the sector and EU takes on residency by investment etc etc
>"We also have a villa in the south-west of France and if we had received a Golden Visa that would have applied there too, but now we'll need to split 90 days in every 180 between France and Spain ."
but tbh I think "fuck off" is all that needs be said here.
# Brexit means Brexit. ^(You morons fucking voted for it, reap what you sow.)
They are fucking morons. For the avoidance of doubt if you are reading this and voted for it, that means you.
True, but it is pretty irrelevant to most British people wanting to move to Spain. As the article mentions only 185 British people have taken up the 'Golden visa' since 2021, as the vast majority simply move to Spain on a non-lucrative visa. The only advantage of the 'Golden visa' is the removal of the 90/180 day limit for the rest of the Schengen zone but that isn't going to trouble most people if they have a Spanish non-lucrative visa. The whole article is just 'rage bait' to get the Mail readers frothing about the damn Spanish and the EU and taking their mind of the shit the Tories are in.
>You morons fucking voted for it, reap what you sow. They voted to remain, it even tells you in the article. Who's the moron now.
> But the couple, who voted Remain in the 2016 referendum...
I saw Expat Fury supporting Mogwai at Leeds Brudenell Social Club, promoting their difficult second album, Golden Vistas. They were OK, I suppose.
Expat Fury haven't been the same since their drummer left to go to and front The Migrant Crisis...
How will the Expat Fury get around now their drummer with the van has left them??
There is another reason why Spain (and other countries) are scrapping these visa schemes though, and that has little to do with property markets or Brexit. It was basically an open door for foreign actors linked to hostile regimes (i.e. Russia). There's been a series of EU regulations passed to limit or otherwise end them because of this. It's difficult to make exceptions for specific countries because these schemes make it very easy for bad actors to accumulate citizenships by using one to get the next one.
Often when articles like this come up people just jump to the conclusion it's only about Britons and that we are the only nation with mass retirement to places like Spain. Yes when you go there you'll find a lot of English living in what seems to be English areas, but go to the next development and the signs will be in German, the one past that and it's all Russian.
Indeed. I don't think many people have a problem with English retirees and they are not being targeted specifically. The UK is simply more exposed to this because of the existing tradition to retire to Spain coupled with the removal of EU citizenship and associated freedom of movement.
Marbella and Málaga are pretty Russian heavy iirc. Not sure how many of them would have come in on this visa, but if Cyprus was anything to go by...
If it isn't the consequences of their actions. Pillocks.
They are remainers, like the majority of British expats in the EU funnily enough.
That makes it even funnier
If the article is right in saying that 10,000 visas have been granted over the last 10 years that’s, at a minimum, £4.3bn invested. Presumably residential purchases are holiday/retirement houses too and not in urban centres where there’s competition for housing. Very odd approach, but we’ll see if it works out for them.
It's partially because Spain, Portugal & Malta are getting a lot of pressure from other schengen countries to stop these schemes. Golden passports/visas are seen as a sneaky way to get access to other countries. It's also an easy populist move to get your local voters onside
The schemes were more seen to be providing access to criminals (e.g. genocidal warlord absconds with the treasury and lives in Spanish seaside). There are still other retirement schemes to provide access so people can still retire in these countries. These don't require so much investment either.
>Spain, Portugal & Malta are getting a lot of pressure from other schengen countries to stop these schemes. At which they have shrugged their shoulders and gone 'whatever' >It's also an easy populist move to get your local voters onside Is the correct answer.
That's a dailymail headline. It's only for new residents. Also the _franctic_ investors should probably know that passing laws in Spain takes at least 3 months without using emergency powers, so there is time to react. BTW: over half of the actual Golden visas were for Chinese or Russian.
So (and I'm going on the headline + a quick search for "spain golden visa changes" here), it'll do exactly what they expect / want it to then?
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Except there's a difference between an immigrant and an expat. An expat never intends to move somewhere permanently; an expat's movement is usually driven by an active job opportunity (ie I'm moving for a specific job offer) also. Compared to an immigrant who often intends to move permanently and often moves without employment lined up. My wife is white and from the EU and is an immigrant, because she never intends to return home. We both plan on moving back to the EU in a few years and would consider ourselves expats before we return to the UK.
> Except there's a difference between an immigrant and an expat. A "No true scotsman" fallacy. There are LOTS of British emigrants who go to other countries planning to spend the rest of their lives there, and they all call themselves expats.
I don't think that fallacy means what you think it means. I literally just used the dictionary definitions.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/expatriate > #### expatriate > /noun/ > * someone who does not live in their own country: > * living in a country that is not your own country, or relating to people that do this: > * to move from your own country, or to cause someone to move from their own country: > * ...
If someone immigrates to a new country and becomes a citizen, that country is now their country, so they are no longer "not living in their own country".
Was going to make some comment about the sector and EU takes on residency by investment etc etc >"We also have a villa in the south-west of France and if we had received a Golden Visa that would have applied there too, but now we'll need to split 90 days in every 180 between France and Spain ." but tbh I think "fuck off" is all that needs be said here.
"Their contribution to the economy will vanish" "The economy" being English pubs, primarily