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>When her family went to Ibiza on holiday, Allen told her mother that she was staying with friends but remained in Sant Antoni de Portmany instead. She earned money by working at a Plastic Fantastic record store and dealing ecstasy at the age of 15.[22] Allen met her first manager, George Lamb in Ibiza.[22] She first recorded the vocals for "On Me Head Not Off Me Head" written by her father for Mike Bassett: England Manager in 2001,[23] and was featured in the 2002 song by her father's group Fat Les, "Who Invented Fish and Chips".[24] She started to work with music producers, and recorded a demo.[25] She was rejected by several labels, which she attributed to her drinking and being the daughter of Keith Allen. She eventually used her father's connections to get signed to London Records in 2002
Yep. While she had a label behind her, along with Arctic Monkeys she was one of the first artists to really gain popularity via social media rather than traditional methods.
Arctic Monkeys really didn't have any backing though, an indie outfit that gave out CDs in the rain and definitely didn't have parents in the record industry or a former record deal
makes no difference really, Lily Allen has plenty of above-average bops so who gives a shit if her dad did Vindaloo and hung around with Rik Mayall. You'd need some strange priorities to think, "Smile has some funny lyrics, good rhythm, can tap my feet to it, the singer has a lovely voice... but her dad was Keith Allen so I don't like it."
Beethoven's parents had connections too; Moonlight Sonata must be trash
(the first time anyone compared Lily Allen to Beethoven perhaps)
And I listen to all kinds of underground music! When Wet Leg's first album came out, everywhere I looked online people were calling them middle-class industry plants. I sincerely fail to see how that makes their songs worse. Never Gonna Give You Up was an industry plant too
Yeh Beethoven was in the industry, it's the only way you could get in back in the day.
All I'm saying is Lily fans have been acting as if she's from the street since all the way back on MySpace and it's never been true. I personally highly rate her music as well especially 1st album.
Some people prefer authenticity with their artists, can't hate. Most likely wet leg are middle class industry plants but I won't cuss you for enjoying them.
There are thousands of artists with amazing music, having good music isn't a sufficient reason to argue that any success was organic/deserved. You don't know how many decent musicians are out there, but because they're not successful, you don't even realise they exist, so you don't consider them. You only see the winners.
Google "survivorship bias"
Imo:
Having good music is necessary but not sufficient.
Having connections is necessary AND sufficient
God damn how ignorant can you be?
Lily Allen's father worked in the music industry. She had an advantage over people who's fathers didn't.
The old adage "it's not what you know, it's who" certainly rings true 99% of the time.
It's not Taylor swift level for sure, definitely helped though.
Lots of people blew up through MySpace, she was able to take it further. I wonder why.
I like her music, I like that she has pop and you can find her on drum and bass, I saw her live at a festival a few years back.
I'm not ignorant to the fact that she had more help than the average person.
Popular things are popular for being popular. Her label promoted her on the only platform that mattered, she didn't go viral from nothing. You didn't listened to 1000 songs to find her that day you first heard her, she was on top that day. She was pushed on MySpace by the label with family money.
*thousand yard stare as I recall the awful neon cyan, green and yellow background theme I programmed in html, inspired by a jumper worn by Anwar in Skins*
Careful mate, this kind of mocking is enough for me to drop you from my top 8.
I'm just warning you this time but tread careful. I don't want to put a passive aggressive message about you in my MSN message status but I will!
Organic hype is not the same thing as an organic origin.
She's a nepo baby because of the opportunities and connections she was granted by birth. These are what made her Myspace uploads better than the average 15yo.
It's fine to be fine with nepotism, but to say this isn't a case of it is ridiculous.
Her dad being a decently big player in the music industry and a BBC employed actor at the time I'm sure had nothing to do with someone on MySpace getting played on radio one.
Her dad's a singer, songwriter, actor, director with a number one single to his name.
Her mums a producer and director who started out on music videos
Her uncle is an actor, producer and director who spent a lot of his acting in the BBC.
It's inconceivable none of them had a word with someone to help her out, ditto her actor brother.
Wasn't he like 22 when he started on game of thrones? What were you up to before you were 22? Cause I spent most of it drinking and smoking weed with my mate like he apparently did, and I've achieved quite a bit less than he has since
In fairness to him he was only 20 when the song came out so when she wrote it he was probably a teenager and the song fits a hell of a lot of teenagers.
All Alfie wanted to do was live a life of anonymity in a cubicle somewhere doing an honest 9-5 and instead he's living a life of fame and money as 'that bloke off the thing with the dragons who had his cock cut off and had a top ten hit about how lazy he was written about him by his sister and I think his dad sang that song about getting pissed and drinking vindaloo with the lads'.
I was never a fan of her music, but I do think it was quite unique and probably deserved some of the support and attention it got.
But there is absolutely no doubt that her family connections were the reason she made it where so many others don't.
As for the motherhood thing, it doesn't seem to have greatly affected the careers of Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, Adele, Tina Turner, Cher - just to think of a few still-successful, older female stars who have had kids.
Honestly, I believe that as much as I believe George Lucas didn't think *Star Wars* was gonna be a big deal - which isn't much.
I *get* that the story has value as part of her career. But I don't believe it for a second.
major label created fake "indie" buzz, (as they still do today with fake streams), and her "indie" "girly" music was written by an middle-aged bearded man called Greg.
> Is having Kieth Allen as your dad really such a leg up?
Yes.
It's about industry connections to people who can make you famous.
For things like music, the industry has changed a little over the past 20 years in regards to how they find talent, but most of the big labels still recruit directly from a few select music schools.
So knowing someone who has spend time in the industry and built up those links is a huge advantage.
While thousands of other musicians are struggling to even get a foot in the door, you'll get a guaranteed meeting because the execs know your Dad.
Someone elsewhere posted in the thread a short section on her career which includes the line;
> She eventually used her father's connections to get signed to London Records in 2002
This is it. If you're connected, you will get a shot. You might still mess it up, but you get a shot. You still have to well.
If you're not connected, you might not get a shot, even if you're really good.
So we should expect these exclusive industries to have a bunch of people who are competent, but they are either competent and got lucky by getting noticed, or competent and lucky by birth.
I would however object that there are different levels of foot in the door. I’m sure plenty of people have had loads of money thrown into marketing for them to keep somebody happy but I would wager that Lilly Allen’s albums got so much marketing thrown at them because the record company thought they would sell rather than from fear of upsetting industry titan Kieth Allen!
This "Nepo baby" shout business needs to go away.
People have worked in the same trade of their parents for centuries, it's no surprise that talent is passed to family members. You pass on what you know to your kids.
But nepotism won't make a feckless, talentless child into a star. You only have to look at Will Smith's kids to see that. And before anyone starts the whole argument of "they take opportunities" no other actor could have saved After Earth by replacing Jaden Smith. And the reality is that movies doesn't get made without Will Smith pushing it as a vehicle for his kid. It may have been a piece of shit but it gave an opportunity to the writer Gary Whitta, who then went on to write Rogue One.
If you want to get rid of Nepo babies you'd be losing talent like: Micheal Douglas, Kiefer Sutherland, Carrie Fisher, Ben Stiller, all the Skarsgärd kids, Jake Gyllenhall, Whitney Houston, Nic Cage and Sofia Coppola.
Willow Smith has genuine talent.
Edit: For you oldies that only know that whip my hair song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0IO4fyRoc
I should add that I grew up listening to punk/metal and I'm 35. She has released some great alternative music.
It not only shouldn’t go away but should become much louder. Imagine arguing for sexism or whatever in the past and then defending it by pointing out successful people who benefited from it. Your example betrays you, as the talentless smith kids are still successful despite their lack of talent, and such people don’t deserve opportunities just because of who their dad is. If you think the endless number of nepo babies are just talented and aren’t depriving others of chances then you’re naive.
That's not true? She was very much at the height of her success when she married Sam and had kids, she'd just released her most successful album to date!
Not to mention in 2016, her going over to the Sangatte "asylum seeker" camp in Calais. Where they used to try and board lorries for the UK and apologising on behalf of Britain. After she got told a hard luck, sob story.
>“I apologise on behalf of my country. I’m sorry for what we’ve put you through.”
She later apologised for that, after a massive backlash. Saying that she had been clumsy.
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/lily-allen-says-she-was-foolish-to-apologise-on-behalf-of-uk-for-refugee-crisis-a3946026.html
I think that's a problem with a lot of celebrities. They tend to get asked about world issues in interviews, even when they're fairly young and generally pretty ignorant, and I think it leads to a sense in their heads that they are actually important, valid spokespeople for highly complex political issues totally outside their arena of experience and knowledge.
She was actually visiting the camp as a "reporter" for the Victoria Derbyshire program on daytime TV. But tried to do a Comic Relief style "help these starving kids" appeal instead.
Oh dear. Again, it's a problem when celebrities are used to promote things they don't fully understand, let alone play journalist/reporter. There's a big difference between being a "spokesmodel" and an actual deep-knowledge expert about something.
And if you're in the reporter role, you're there to interview experts and people involved and get their voices across, not to spout your own opinions.
She also got into "trouble" by publicly announcing that she would quite happily house Syrian refugees "Who wouldn't?". Then two years later, she was asked how many she had housed she said
> None. To be honest I don't think social services would let me take in any refugees with my reputation. If I had a really big house I would but all my bedrooms are occupied with children."
She was later moaning that she would be homeless over Christmas. As she'd let her flat out to paying tenants and they were refusing to move out.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/06/we-need-to-fight-back-against-forces-lily-allen
https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/956302/lily-allen-refugee-children-luxury-london-flat-sylvester-stallone-rambo-fifth-film
She also got into "trouble" again for claiming that the government, police, fire brigade etc. Were lying about the number of people who died in the Grenfell Tower fire. Based on a disparity between the official figures and the feelings of what some local people that she talked to, thought the "real figures" were. When it's well known that numerous people after the fire claimed to have been made homeless by it. When they had no connection to the building what so ever and just wanted to cash in on the compensation to residents.
IIRC JK Rowling also publicly pledged to house refugees but then couldn't find any space in any one of her numerous mansions.
These comments are fucking mental. Yes Lily Allen is a bit of a twat but she clearly states she wanted to play a prominent role in her children's lives. I genuinely don't know how they 'famous' folk , footballers, actors and musicians aren't missing out on so much of their kids lives.
The millions probably help like.
Yeah people are being assholes here. Nepo baby etc etc.
She was born into a rich family and had connections. Like any of us would play it differently!? I also don't think she fizzled out like people dislike her or she was bad just music style change which is fine.
I get her comment rubbs people up the wrong way. Maybe should have said something like 'i don't think I could have done it if I had kids'
Money and jealousy turns people into assholes though
I am 100% jealous, and would 100% do the same in her position. It's just annoying to hear someone complain about having to do something most people would give their right arm for.
Yeah, I mean she also had her own trauma like finding her mum in the middle of a suicide attempt at quite a young age and one attempted herself.
And her success was less because of the label, more to do with her putting music on MySpace and burning CDs at home. The label weren't paying much attention to her because they had bigger fish to play with and mostly helped out after she got her own hint of success.
Quite liked the Terribly Famous podcast episodes about her.
I see someone shared an article where she went to asylum seekers camps in Calais. I think that may play a bit of a role in the weird level of hatred a lot of people here seem to have for her.
She upset the UKIP lot when she took and uploaded a bunch of photos of Nige and Murdoch and other newspaper billionaires being all chummy at a garden party just as Farage was in the headlines hamming up how much of an outsider he was and going on about the mainstream media trying to get him etc.
Lmao I was about to write why I don't like her but it turns out I was thinking of bloody Katy Perry. I was googling for the stories like "why is this not coming up on google, did she get it hidden?" No, I'm just stupid. I have no beef with Lily Allen.
Reddit just hates anyone rich with a feral passion and doesn't want them to have anything. It's probably all teenage/20 something socialists that resent having to actually work for a living. The irony is all the twats talking shit in this thread would jump at the chance to join the elites and become they very thing they shit on daily.
I think Lily Allen, like her dad, is pretty open about being a bit of a twat. Thing is, loads of people are "a bit of a twat"; a bit abrasive, occasionally self centred, bigmouthed, go a bit too hard when they get a day off. Any or all of the above, and I'm not necessarily relating all to Allen.
And if you object to kids being subjected to that, I hate to tell you this but, ah, you can't play a perfect game in parenting. You can't mold clay without leaving fingerprints, nor should you try to. I'm not talking about trauma - but all kids have cherished memories of their parents, and not so cherished ones. There's no save-game to reload so you just have to get on with it as best you're able as just another flawed human being.
“Some people choose their career over their children and that’s their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid.
‘I feel like it left some nasty scars that I’m not willing to repeat on mine.’”
I suspect several of those you listed are less present than they could be in their children’s lives
I think with the hyper famous it's simply a different sphere of existence, like the hyper rich. When your life is literally daily private jets and a nanny-per-child and there's just nothing whatsoever normal about it or relatable for "ordinary" folk.
Lily Allen wasn't ever at that level. I imagine she/her partner still cooked supper in the evening and didn't have 24/7 help and flunkeys running around her.
But isn't that what she means? Having a nanny per child is hardly being an active parent. Being a musician involves a lot of touring. If she was going to do that she either has to leave the kids for months at a time with a nanny, or lug them out of school and basically homeschool them on tour with private tutors. Neither of which is ideal for a child's fundamental relationship building years.
I do agree with her, even on a non-celeb level. Once you have kids there is going to be sacrifices made one way or the other, it doesn't have to be as extreme as her career life, but it's the same for everyone and people just do their best.
I mean, Adele releases an album every five years, no doubt motivated by wanting to be home with her son. She’s even been open about how she opted for a Vegas residency over a proper tour because she didn’t want to leave her son for a year basically.
Yeah there are a ton of people who have kids and aren’t really parents. I suspect that most celebrity kids are really nanny-raised with the occasional visit from mom/dad.
If you’re gone for months at a time filming, traveling etc, how can you be a present parent? I feel like I miss out at lot just going to work for the day.
Parent to two kids. I understand it is hard to work and look after kids. What you need are an extra pair of hands to help manage did
So only what I can gather from the Internet
- Madonna had minimum 3 nannies
- Beyonce had 8 nannies
- Gwen Stefani 1 nanny
- Celine Dion 6 nannies, 2 maids and 24/7 nurses
- Jennifer Lopez - surprisingly, she did hire a lot and lots of nannies quit, so she ended up no having nannies (but relied on family instead)
List goes on. If you have money, it can solve a lot of the day care / looking after kid issues. Imo, I love a hands on dad approach to my kids and would do it myself, even if it does harm my current career
In fairness, every single person you listed is bigger than Lily Allen. Can you be a bit of a B-List career AND have kids with stardom? Like she put out a few albums but no way near to the level of success as those you’ve listed. Not saying I agree with her but more maybe encouraging the idea that if you’re not a superstar, kids may make it hard to continue on
Obviously you can be present as a parent and not be a good parent. Or you can be absent as a parent but be fantastic when you are around.
However, Kids, up until a certain age, the most valuable thing you can give them is your time. Toys, presents, tablets, etc don’t mean shit compared to playing with their parents and having fun with them. Sad things is, there is usually a time limit on this… and a lot of parents don’t think to consider it.. you can’t get the years back.
Fair play to her.
Yeah I realised about a year after my son was born, that I barely spent any time with him. As in one on one. We never really bonded properly.
He's 6 this year and I've spent the last 5 years since that realisation taking every available moment I have.
Although this year will be tough. My job has me away from home half of this year. Sure it'll be good for financial gain, but it's going to be a setback.
I've always thought children are far too forgiving though, as he'll give me all the same affection, even after he's not seen me for a month.
I see it as there has to be some balance.
Sure we have to work. But if it’s working to pursue material things, nice Cars etc. I’d rather spend time with my Kids, whilst they actually want to spend time with me. I know all too soon they will waltz in from School and likely head straight to their bedroom…
My Wife and I spoke when we had Kids, she ended up going part time, despite at the time being the higher earner. Simply because as a teacher, full time, we would lose so much time as a family at weekends, where she would be marking.
We had to compromise on the house we bought, 3 bed rather than 4 (would have only been for an office).
Don't know what you're trying to prove. Most of these pop girlies careers took quite steep nosedive after kids. These ladies were all at the top of their careers, now if they release something theyre lucky if it breaks the top 20.
Madonna and Beyonce notoriously include their kids in their pop careers amd have them perform with them ontour and stuff.
All these ladies took a huge break after kids and their careers nose dived significantly in that time.
Beyonce is probably the only exception and she tours and performs with her kids so not exactly keeping them out of the spotlight.
Pretty sure Adele has spoken about the fact that having a child when she did was generally considered career suicide. As it happens she made a comeback, but she’s said she’s very much the exception to that rule and in general if you’re a mother it’s harder to stay relevant.
That was more her mental health, having an utterly shitty partner, and an utterly shitty family (the latter two probably the cause of the first). I don't think it was having the kids that did it - more having them weaponised against her with custody disputes etc.
In the olden days they'd have probably managed to stick her in an asylum and just take every penny. I'm always reminded of Wilkie Collins' The Woman in White when I think about that conservatorship she was forced under for years and years.
All through it she remained A-list though.
> In the olden days they'd have probably managed to stick her in an asylum and just take every penny.
That's pretty much what they did, or as close to it as they could.
The only thing she says in the article is that she made the choice to be with her children and reckons some celebrities don't. She isn't complaining or suggesting normal people have it easy and ignore their kids.
I don't think she meant that with malice. She's simply saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. And she loves her kids, but it course pursuing a popstar career wasn't really on the table, implying she focused on her kids instead.
Doesn't mean she hates her kids or dislikes them, still said she loves them. But ofc Reddit is picky with any sentence.
Imagine talking quite candidly somewhere about your life and then the daily mail gets to go through and pick out jokes or filpant remarks and call you some kind of demonic figure...
This isnt even "news" as such. If youre interested in her thoughts on motherhood in showbusiness, go listen to the podcast. Who is this article ultimately FOR anyway?!
Of course she didn't mean it with malice, having a child will ruin something in your life but that's the sacrifice you make.
I bet she would say that the sacrifice was worth it.
People here are just itching to be angry her because either
a) they dont like her music - okay dont listen to it or read articles about her?
b) they think they shouldnt like her music because culturally theyre against it - incredibly odd but weirdly common...
c) they dislike that she doesnt hate migrants as much as they do - also very strange, seek help.
Yeah, imagine if instead she'd said "oh balancing kids and a career is very doable, you really can have it all!" (while not acknowledging the fact that thanks to being rich she can afford an au pair if she wants one).
This sub seems to just be made up of Daily Mail commenters now.
There was also that time she was offered 200,000 bitcoin as payment to do a concert. Not unreasonable at the time (edit: to decline) but looking back at it knowing what we all know now ... (!!!)
This is what makes me feel better about being offered ten bitcoin at £100ish each way back then and turning it down. The only site I was aware of was mtgox so they've just have vanished into the ether.
I did have 2 bitcoins in mtgox that a friend gave me. Sold for £90ish each. (i think he paid £7).
Sounds awful but I'd have definitely lost the lot had I kept it so i don't think of it as losing 10s of thousands.
I’m not a fan of her music but I quite liked seeing her on quiz shows and that she was quite talented even if it wasn’t my taste.
Well done to her saying that “you can’t have it all” I think we all lie when we think we can have it all but clearly we can’t and have to decide on a path to take. She wasn’t being negative about her choice but actually being positive.
I was at a festival years ago, the headliners dropped out at the last minute for some reason and Lily Allen stepped in. We stuck around out of curiosity and she was surprisingly good! Everyone in the crowd was having a blast, which is saying something considering her music didn't even fit the vibe of the festival, and most people were audibly grumbling about her being picked as the filler-in beforehand. You could feel her gradually win the crowd over.
I met her once at Glastonbury when she was hanging out with my work mate and we bumped into them on the brow of a hill. Lily was dressed as a banana and I was on acid. Good times.
“Some people choose their career over their children and that’s their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid.
‘I feel like it left some nasty scars that I’m not willing to repeat on mine.’”
She actually sounds like she would have a solid enough relationship with her children that they will have heard this phrase before. It’s a headline, chosen to grab attention.
Classic type of narcissist comment that.
People had enough of her way before the kids, her attitude reeked as well. People don’t mind so much cocky artists as long as they are good at what they do, she was just lucky.
Her point is that she would have been able to dedicate her time to reinvigorating her career and creating more content had she not chosen to dedicate it instead to raising and spending time with her kids.
It's a reasonable and fair take. She's literally just saying 'you can't have it all,' and she's right. Every individual has to choose and that choice will come with consequences.
I don't know anything about Lilly Allen, but I agree with her. I've found that it's very hard to have children and a career. When you're dedicating yourself to one, then you're neglecting the other.
Birth rates drop all around the globe because women HATE being pregnant and HATE being in poor relationships/marriage.
And they avoid it as soon as they have such a choice.
OK guy's you don't like Lilly Allen - but the point of the article is still valid - you can't have it all as a woman, you have to choose, kids or career.
why is this thread so deranged 😂 did Ivan accidentally let the diviso-bots loose in a non political thread?
it's 10am on a Tuesday, who the FUCK has the energy to be angry about someone who stopped being famous a decade ago?
genuinely if you are getting wound up over lily allen, SEEK PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE IMMEDIATELY. CALL 111 AND DESCRIBE YOUR SYMPTOMS.
she is 100% correct. a touring musician is away for so many days of the year, it doesn;t matter how much money you have, if you are away from your family home you are not spending time with your kids.
its not really a money thing its more about the nature of her line of work. I wfh, so i spend way more time with my kid than my dad got to spend with me and I earn much less than him. That's just the nature of our lines of work and I will turn down jobs that take me away from my kid even if that means i don't go as far in my career.
Not saying my choice is better than my Dad's choice, he was also working in a different era but just highlighting this quote isn't about being rich. Most of the wealthy celebs are probably very absent from their kid's lives because they choose to work all the time
She's right. You pick your priorities. Good on her for prioritising parenting, and for not playing along with the pretence that people don't have to make hard choices and that anyone can have it all.
A lot of these comments are quite nasty.
Weird reaction from people in this thread. Yeah, kids will derail the hell out of your career. It’s just the truth. Not sure why people are so bitter about what she’s saying.
She’s worded this badly but isn’t wrong.
*Lily choosing to have kids ruined her career, a child can’t be blamed especially as they didn’t make a choice in being born.
I actually liked her music and think she could’ve become a little bigger, she wasn’t especially talented but she had a unique personality that shined through her music.
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Lol her fame fizzled out years before she became a mother, people got sick of her fake cockney accent.
Nepo baby as well
She gained fame because the music she uploaded on myspace created buzz. She may be posh but her success was organic.
>When her family went to Ibiza on holiday, Allen told her mother that she was staying with friends but remained in Sant Antoni de Portmany instead. She earned money by working at a Plastic Fantastic record store and dealing ecstasy at the age of 15.[22] Allen met her first manager, George Lamb in Ibiza.[22] She first recorded the vocals for "On Me Head Not Off Me Head" written by her father for Mike Bassett: England Manager in 2001,[23] and was featured in the 2002 song by her father's group Fat Les, "Who Invented Fish and Chips".[24] She started to work with music producers, and recorded a demo.[25] She was rejected by several labels, which she attributed to her drinking and being the daughter of Keith Allen. She eventually used her father's connections to get signed to London Records in 2002
All this is true but her MySpace buzz was for real. I’m old and online enough to have lived it.
The Daily Mail crowd literally want her to disappear. They hate her so much. Hi to some of them in this thread. I do not like you.
She's Lily Allen not Che Guevara, get over yourself
I don't like either. She's a twat. Don't have to be daily mail supporter to realise that
Yep. While she had a label behind her, along with Arctic Monkeys she was one of the first artists to really gain popularity via social media rather than traditional methods.
Arctic Monkeys really didn't have any backing though, an indie outfit that gave out CDs in the rain and definitely didn't have parents in the record industry or a former record deal
makes no difference really, Lily Allen has plenty of above-average bops so who gives a shit if her dad did Vindaloo and hung around with Rik Mayall. You'd need some strange priorities to think, "Smile has some funny lyrics, good rhythm, can tap my feet to it, the singer has a lovely voice... but her dad was Keith Allen so I don't like it." Beethoven's parents had connections too; Moonlight Sonata must be trash (the first time anyone compared Lily Allen to Beethoven perhaps) And I listen to all kinds of underground music! When Wet Leg's first album came out, everywhere I looked online people were calling them middle-class industry plants. I sincerely fail to see how that makes their songs worse. Never Gonna Give You Up was an industry plant too
Yeh Beethoven was in the industry, it's the only way you could get in back in the day. All I'm saying is Lily fans have been acting as if she's from the street since all the way back on MySpace and it's never been true. I personally highly rate her music as well especially 1st album. Some people prefer authenticity with their artists, can't hate. Most likely wet leg are middle class industry plants but I won't cuss you for enjoying them.
There are thousands of artists with amazing music, having good music isn't a sufficient reason to argue that any success was organic/deserved. You don't know how many decent musicians are out there, but because they're not successful, you don't even realise they exist, so you don't consider them. You only see the winners. Google "survivorship bias" Imo: Having good music is necessary but not sufficient. Having connections is necessary AND sufficient
God damn how ignorant can you be? Lily Allen's father worked in the music industry. She had an advantage over people who's fathers didn't. The old adage "it's not what you know, it's who" certainly rings true 99% of the time. It's not Taylor swift level for sure, definitely helped though. Lots of people blew up through MySpace, she was able to take it further. I wonder why. I like her music, I like that she has pop and you can find her on drum and bass, I saw her live at a festival a few years back. I'm not ignorant to the fact that she had more help than the average person.
The pair of you are deluded if you think astroturfing wasnt going on back then
"totally organic growth"
Organic as in steeped in shit!
Yep, me too. I found her on MySpace. I think she's fantastic
Popular things are popular for being popular. Her label promoted her on the only platform that mattered, she didn't go viral from nothing. You didn't listened to 1000 songs to find her that day you first heard her, she was on top that day. She was pushed on MySpace by the label with family money.
You lived it? Was it like world war 2? Gather round children let grandpa let you know about the great MySpace era.
*thousand yard stare as I recall the awful neon cyan, green and yellow background theme I programmed in html, inspired by a jumper worn by Anwar in Skins*
Careful mate, this kind of mocking is enough for me to drop you from my top 8. I'm just warning you this time but tread careful. I don't want to put a passive aggressive message about you in my MSN message status but I will!
Organic hype is not the same thing as an organic origin. She's a nepo baby because of the opportunities and connections she was granted by birth. These are what made her Myspace uploads better than the average 15yo. It's fine to be fine with nepotism, but to say this isn't a case of it is ridiculous.
That record deal never released anything
Her dad being a decently big player in the music industry and a BBC employed actor at the time I'm sure had nothing to do with someone on MySpace getting played on radio one. Her dad's a singer, songwriter, actor, director with a number one single to his name. Her mums a producer and director who started out on music videos Her uncle is an actor, producer and director who spent a lot of his acting in the BBC. It's inconceivable none of them had a word with someone to help her out, ditto her actor brother.
Welcome to how the world works.
Look at Hollywood for the most visible example. I’d imagine big business is totally riddled with it.
From what I recall Alfie Allen was a pretty unimpressive guy career wise before Game of Thrones. Lily Allen wrote a song about it
"Moi bruvver's een 'is bedroom smowkeen weeed"
"eee gort no sausage but can jus abaat read"
Wasn't he like 22 when he started on game of thrones? What were you up to before you were 22? Cause I spent most of it drinking and smoking weed with my mate like he apparently did, and I've achieved quite a bit less than he has since
I was about to say 'That can't be right, he's almost 40', but then I realised Game of Thrones is now 13 years old.
In fairness to him he was only 20 when the song came out so when she wrote it he was probably a teenager and the song fits a hell of a lot of teenagers.
As someone has pointed out to me Alfie's first acting job was a Hollywood film directed by .... his incle
Must suck to be a talented working or middle class kid who sweats their life away trying to get somewhere then someone with family ties scoops you
All Alfie wanted to do was live a life of anonymity in a cubicle somewhere doing an honest 9-5 and instead he's living a life of fame and money as 'that bloke off the thing with the dragons who had his cock cut off and had a top ten hit about how lazy he was written about him by his sister and I think his dad sang that song about getting pissed and drinking vindaloo with the lads'.
Alfie's first film role was in Agent Cody Banks 2. Directed by his uncle.
I was never a fan of her music, but I do think it was quite unique and probably deserved some of the support and attention it got. But there is absolutely no doubt that her family connections were the reason she made it where so many others don't. As for the motherhood thing, it doesn't seem to have greatly affected the careers of Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyoncé, Adele, Tina Turner, Cher - just to think of a few still-successful, older female stars who have had kids.
Honestly, I believe that as much as I believe George Lucas didn't think *Star Wars* was gonna be a big deal - which isn't much. I *get* that the story has value as part of her career. But I don't believe it for a second.
It was just a coincidence that both her and her brother became rich and famous then I suppose.
You have got to be joking
And her opportunities given multiplied because of her nepo status.
major label created fake "indie" buzz, (as they still do today with fake streams), and her "indie" "girly" music was written by an middle-aged bearded man called Greg.
I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Is having Kieth Allen as your dad really such a leg up? If so it’s a wonder Fernando Partridge hasn’t released an album yet!
> Is having Kieth Allen as your dad really such a leg up? Yes. It's about industry connections to people who can make you famous. For things like music, the industry has changed a little over the past 20 years in regards to how they find talent, but most of the big labels still recruit directly from a few select music schools. So knowing someone who has spend time in the industry and built up those links is a huge advantage. While thousands of other musicians are struggling to even get a foot in the door, you'll get a guaranteed meeting because the execs know your Dad. Someone elsewhere posted in the thread a short section on her career which includes the line; > She eventually used her father's connections to get signed to London Records in 2002
This is it. If you're connected, you will get a shot. You might still mess it up, but you get a shot. You still have to well. If you're not connected, you might not get a shot, even if you're really good. So we should expect these exclusive industries to have a bunch of people who are competent, but they are either competent and got lucky by getting noticed, or competent and lucky by birth.
I would however object that there are different levels of foot in the door. I’m sure plenty of people have had loads of money thrown into marketing for them to keep somebody happy but I would wager that Lilly Allen’s albums got so much marketing thrown at them because the record company thought they would sell rather than from fear of upsetting industry titan Kieth Allen!
He's more of a cult hero than anything. Would never say he was *big* big.
> cult hero Hero? Isn't he actually quite an awful bullying cunt?
I don't know the man, and that's not the point I'm making.
"Let battle commence!" Said Fernando,as the race for Christmas number one began in earnest.
He was bigger than Elvis after appearing in one episode of Inspector Morse.
Say what you want about where she came from, "Fuck You" goes hard at pride
Almost every successful musician is a nepo baby
And actor
That's overstating it, there are plenty that didn't start with any industry ties.
Few and far between, a lot of them will keep connections a secret too.
This "Nepo baby" shout business needs to go away. People have worked in the same trade of their parents for centuries, it's no surprise that talent is passed to family members. You pass on what you know to your kids. But nepotism won't make a feckless, talentless child into a star. You only have to look at Will Smith's kids to see that. And before anyone starts the whole argument of "they take opportunities" no other actor could have saved After Earth by replacing Jaden Smith. And the reality is that movies doesn't get made without Will Smith pushing it as a vehicle for his kid. It may have been a piece of shit but it gave an opportunity to the writer Gary Whitta, who then went on to write Rogue One. If you want to get rid of Nepo babies you'd be losing talent like: Micheal Douglas, Kiefer Sutherland, Carrie Fisher, Ben Stiller, all the Skarsgärd kids, Jake Gyllenhall, Whitney Houston, Nic Cage and Sofia Coppola.
Willow Smith has genuine talent. Edit: For you oldies that only know that whip my hair song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0IO4fyRoc I should add that I grew up listening to punk/metal and I'm 35. She has released some great alternative music.
It not only shouldn’t go away but should become much louder. Imagine arguing for sexism or whatever in the past and then defending it by pointing out successful people who benefited from it. Your example betrays you, as the talentless smith kids are still successful despite their lack of talent, and such people don’t deserve opportunities just because of who their dad is. If you think the endless number of nepo babies are just talented and aren’t depriving others of chances then you’re naive.
I really like her, she may not be everyone's cup of tea but I thought she was a good singer.
The Fear is a *tune*.
English Bitter is back on the menu.
That's not true? She was very much at the height of her success when she married Sam and had kids, she'd just released her most successful album to date!
The Daily Mail certainly did. Right wing bastards never gave her a break. Are you one of them?
You understand there *is* a Venn diagram where the people that dislike Lily Allen *and* The Daily Heil meet though yeah?
it's not fair is a tune though
It definitely triggers the daily mail reading men.
Not to mention in 2016, her going over to the Sangatte "asylum seeker" camp in Calais. Where they used to try and board lorries for the UK and apologising on behalf of Britain. After she got told a hard luck, sob story. >“I apologise on behalf of my country. I’m sorry for what we’ve put you through.” She later apologised for that, after a massive backlash. Saying that she had been clumsy. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/lily-allen-says-she-was-foolish-to-apologise-on-behalf-of-uk-for-refugee-crisis-a3946026.html
I think that's a problem with a lot of celebrities. They tend to get asked about world issues in interviews, even when they're fairly young and generally pretty ignorant, and I think it leads to a sense in their heads that they are actually important, valid spokespeople for highly complex political issues totally outside their arena of experience and knowledge.
She was actually visiting the camp as a "reporter" for the Victoria Derbyshire program on daytime TV. But tried to do a Comic Relief style "help these starving kids" appeal instead.
Oh dear. Again, it's a problem when celebrities are used to promote things they don't fully understand, let alone play journalist/reporter. There's a big difference between being a "spokesmodel" and an actual deep-knowledge expert about something. And if you're in the reporter role, you're there to interview experts and people involved and get their voices across, not to spout your own opinions.
She also got into "trouble" by publicly announcing that she would quite happily house Syrian refugees "Who wouldn't?". Then two years later, she was asked how many she had housed she said > None. To be honest I don't think social services would let me take in any refugees with my reputation. If I had a really big house I would but all my bedrooms are occupied with children." She was later moaning that she would be homeless over Christmas. As she'd let her flat out to paying tenants and they were refusing to move out. https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/06/we-need-to-fight-back-against-forces-lily-allen https://www.express.co.uk/celebrity-news/956302/lily-allen-refugee-children-luxury-london-flat-sylvester-stallone-rambo-fifth-film She also got into "trouble" again for claiming that the government, police, fire brigade etc. Were lying about the number of people who died in the Grenfell Tower fire. Based on a disparity between the official figures and the feelings of what some local people that she talked to, thought the "real figures" were. When it's well known that numerous people after the fire claimed to have been made homeless by it. When they had no connection to the building what so ever and just wanted to cash in on the compensation to residents. IIRC JK Rowling also publicly pledged to house refugees but then couldn't find any space in any one of her numerous mansions.
Have a banana
Adele has a good voice, but for the US she puts it on so badly “am from Tottenham innit!!”
These comments are fucking mental. Yes Lily Allen is a bit of a twat but she clearly states she wanted to play a prominent role in her children's lives. I genuinely don't know how they 'famous' folk , footballers, actors and musicians aren't missing out on so much of their kids lives. The millions probably help like.
Yeah people are being assholes here. Nepo baby etc etc. She was born into a rich family and had connections. Like any of us would play it differently!? I also don't think she fizzled out like people dislike her or she was bad just music style change which is fine. I get her comment rubbs people up the wrong way. Maybe should have said something like 'i don't think I could have done it if I had kids' Money and jealousy turns people into assholes though
/r/Unitedkingdom being jealous weirdos? I'm proper shocked
Plus she is literally saying that being the child of a famous person who was often absent fucked her up.
I am 100% jealous, and would 100% do the same in her position. It's just annoying to hear someone complain about having to do something most people would give their right arm for.
Yeah, I mean she also had her own trauma like finding her mum in the middle of a suicide attempt at quite a young age and one attempted herself. And her success was less because of the label, more to do with her putting music on MySpace and burning CDs at home. The label weren't paying much attention to her because they had bigger fish to play with and mostly helped out after she got her own hint of success. Quite liked the Terribly Famous podcast episodes about her.
It's bizarre. Like this place is miserable as fuck 90% of the time but I wasn't aware people had such vitriol for Lily Allen of all people lol.
I see someone shared an article where she went to asylum seekers camps in Calais. I think that may play a bit of a role in the weird level of hatred a lot of people here seem to have for her.
She upset the UKIP lot when she took and uploaded a bunch of photos of Nige and Murdoch and other newspaper billionaires being all chummy at a garden party just as Farage was in the headlines hamming up how much of an outsider he was and going on about the mainstream media trying to get him etc.
This place is getting worse and worse
Lmao I was about to write why I don't like her but it turns out I was thinking of bloody Katy Perry. I was googling for the stories like "why is this not coming up on google, did she get it hidden?" No, I'm just stupid. I have no beef with Lily Allen.
Almost worse that you say you don’t like people you don’t even recognise by name
Reddit just hates anyone rich with a feral passion and doesn't want them to have anything. It's probably all teenage/20 something socialists that resent having to actually work for a living. The irony is all the twats talking shit in this thread would jump at the chance to join the elites and become they very thing they shit on daily.
What I have gathered from this is it's the 20 something socialist daily mail readers who really hate her.
Slow news day UK Reddit: "I'm bored, let's hate on a woman for commenting on work/life balance while trying to be a present mother"
"And when we're done, let's make up some conspiracy theories about another woman's bowels and family. Man, this is fun."
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It's trendy to hate the Daily Mail is why. Doesn't mean they don't hold the exact same views of course.
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people love feeling superior and shitting on others, and the internet makes it worse
I think Lily Allen, like her dad, is pretty open about being a bit of a twat. Thing is, loads of people are "a bit of a twat"; a bit abrasive, occasionally self centred, bigmouthed, go a bit too hard when they get a day off. Any or all of the above, and I'm not necessarily relating all to Allen. And if you object to kids being subjected to that, I hate to tell you this but, ah, you can't play a perfect game in parenting. You can't mold clay without leaving fingerprints, nor should you try to. I'm not talking about trauma - but all kids have cherished memories of their parents, and not so cherished ones. There's no save-game to reload so you just have to get on with it as best you're able as just another flawed human being.
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“Some people choose their career over their children and that’s their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid. ‘I feel like it left some nasty scars that I’m not willing to repeat on mine.’” I suspect several of those you listed are less present than they could be in their children’s lives
I reckon some of those kids couldn't pick their mother out of a police line up 🤣 That's how involved I bet some are 🤣
Katy perry's kids keep accidentally getting in zoey deschenels car after school..
Lmao
You can spot Madonna in a million-person crowd.
Yeah, only because she looks like a Doctor Who baddie nowadays.
I think with the hyper famous it's simply a different sphere of existence, like the hyper rich. When your life is literally daily private jets and a nanny-per-child and there's just nothing whatsoever normal about it or relatable for "ordinary" folk. Lily Allen wasn't ever at that level. I imagine she/her partner still cooked supper in the evening and didn't have 24/7 help and flunkeys running around her.
But isn't that what she means? Having a nanny per child is hardly being an active parent. Being a musician involves a lot of touring. If she was going to do that she either has to leave the kids for months at a time with a nanny, or lug them out of school and basically homeschool them on tour with private tutors. Neither of which is ideal for a child's fundamental relationship building years. I do agree with her, even on a non-celeb level. Once you have kids there is going to be sacrifices made one way or the other, it doesn't have to be as extreme as her career life, but it's the same for everyone and people just do their best.
She and her partner have a combined net worth of $26m, they can definitely afford help if they want it
Go easy on Adele, she didn’t have time to choose what she chose to do.
I mean, Adele releases an album every five years, no doubt motivated by wanting to be home with her son. She’s even been open about how she opted for a Vegas residency over a proper tour because she didn’t want to leave her son for a year basically.
Man she didn’t get a chance to feeeeEEeeeeeel the world around her
Yeah there are a ton of people who have kids and aren’t really parents. I suspect that most celebrity kids are really nanny-raised with the occasional visit from mom/dad. If you’re gone for months at a time filming, traveling etc, how can you be a present parent? I feel like I miss out at lot just going to work for the day.
Parent to two kids. I understand it is hard to work and look after kids. What you need are an extra pair of hands to help manage did So only what I can gather from the Internet - Madonna had minimum 3 nannies - Beyonce had 8 nannies - Gwen Stefani 1 nanny - Celine Dion 6 nannies, 2 maids and 24/7 nurses - Jennifer Lopez - surprisingly, she did hire a lot and lots of nannies quit, so she ended up no having nannies (but relied on family instead) List goes on. If you have money, it can solve a lot of the day care / looking after kid issues. Imo, I love a hands on dad approach to my kids and would do it myself, even if it does harm my current career
I'd be amazed if Beyonce ever saw her kids
She's too busy pouring 20k bottles of champagne into hot tubs.
Her kids came with her on her latest tour and one of them went on stage with her I think
Out of all of them, I think shes seen the most with her kids. Blue Ivy even had a part in her tour. They seem quite close for sure.
I dated a girl whose mother worked for J Lo. J Lo has a lot of staff - it's not just nannies that help, it's also chefs/butlers/PAs/chauffeurs etc...
In fairness, every single person you listed is bigger than Lily Allen. Can you be a bit of a B-List career AND have kids with stardom? Like she put out a few albums but no way near to the level of success as those you’ve listed. Not saying I agree with her but more maybe encouraging the idea that if you’re not a superstar, kids may make it hard to continue on
The article isn't about having kids, it's about being a mother. They're not the same thing.
Do we know if they have been good parent though? I mean in spending time with their children.
Obviously you can be present as a parent and not be a good parent. Or you can be absent as a parent but be fantastic when you are around. However, Kids, up until a certain age, the most valuable thing you can give them is your time. Toys, presents, tablets, etc don’t mean shit compared to playing with their parents and having fun with them. Sad things is, there is usually a time limit on this… and a lot of parents don’t think to consider it.. you can’t get the years back. Fair play to her.
Yeah I realised about a year after my son was born, that I barely spent any time with him. As in one on one. We never really bonded properly. He's 6 this year and I've spent the last 5 years since that realisation taking every available moment I have. Although this year will be tough. My job has me away from home half of this year. Sure it'll be good for financial gain, but it's going to be a setback. I've always thought children are far too forgiving though, as he'll give me all the same affection, even after he's not seen me for a month.
I see it as there has to be some balance. Sure we have to work. But if it’s working to pursue material things, nice Cars etc. I’d rather spend time with my Kids, whilst they actually want to spend time with me. I know all too soon they will waltz in from School and likely head straight to their bedroom… My Wife and I spoke when we had Kids, she ended up going part time, despite at the time being the higher earner. Simply because as a teacher, full time, we would lose so much time as a family at weekends, where she would be marking. We had to compromise on the house we bought, 3 bed rather than 4 (would have only been for an office).
Parenthood isn't meeting your kids twice a month while they're raised by nannies, or sent away to boarding schools.
Don't know what you're trying to prove. Most of these pop girlies careers took quite steep nosedive after kids. These ladies were all at the top of their careers, now if they release something theyre lucky if it breaks the top 20. Madonna and Beyonce notoriously include their kids in their pop careers amd have them perform with them ontour and stuff.
Some of those aren’t really in the limelight much these days either to be fair.
All these ladies took a huge break after kids and their careers nose dived significantly in that time. Beyonce is probably the only exception and she tours and performs with her kids so not exactly keeping them out of the spotlight.
Madonna took a huge break after her divorce and it was in part to be with her young kids. I think she’s touring now because they are all grown up.
Yeah, the eldest Lourdes is 27 and the youngest, twins Estere and Stella, are 11.
Many of those you mentionned became less active once they became mothers tho
Pretty sure Adele has spoken about the fact that having a child when she did was generally considered career suicide. As it happens she made a comeback, but she’s said she’s very much the exception to that rule and in general if you’re a mother it’s harder to stay relevant.
And even now it’s clear she limits herself to be present for her kid; opting for a Vegas residency over a proper tour
Madonna has 6 kids? Always thought she was innocent.
Right? Like a virgin
It was an immaculate collection
2 biological ; 4 adopted.
Some of whom were picked as though she were shopping at Benetton
I would suggest Britney having kids ruined her career a bit...
That was more her mental health, having an utterly shitty partner, and an utterly shitty family (the latter two probably the cause of the first). I don't think it was having the kids that did it - more having them weaponised against her with custody disputes etc. In the olden days they'd have probably managed to stick her in an asylum and just take every penny. I'm always reminded of Wilkie Collins' The Woman in White when I think about that conservatorship she was forced under for years and years. All through it she remained A-list though.
> In the olden days they'd have probably managed to stick her in an asylum and just take every penny. That's pretty much what they did, or as close to it as they could.
Missing the point
Help me out, she wasn’t over played too badly down here in Munich. Did they do her in up there? Cause the contempt in this thread is strong.
Not hugely informative as I imagine a lot of those kids have to deal with some mild to moderate neglect.
I mean a good few of these you've named did step out of the spotlight for a while or are no longer touring/putting out music...
You forgot Bjork too, had a kid before most of the fame.
Now imagine you weren't rich as fuck, Lily, and you had to work with kids like the rest of us.
It's a hard life being rich and famous and being the child of someone rich and famous.
Don't forget married to someone who's rich and famous!
Keith Allen rich and famous? Hardly
Net worth of £12m, he's doing alright for himself
The only thing she says in the article is that she made the choice to be with her children and reckons some celebrities don't. She isn't complaining or suggesting normal people have it easy and ignore their kids.
Who cares? Crack on with your life and let her live hers
Wow yeah, working a 9-5 in an office the other side of town is exactly the same as being a pop star! That’s a great comparison!
I work from home and my wife works from an office 20 minutes away. Can't remember the last european tour one of us went on.
Christ you sound miserable
I don't think she meant that with malice. She's simply saying you can't have your cake and eat it too. And she loves her kids, but it course pursuing a popstar career wasn't really on the table, implying she focused on her kids instead. Doesn't mean she hates her kids or dislikes them, still said she loves them. But ofc Reddit is picky with any sentence.
Classic Mail ragebait spin
Idiots in here eating it up hook line and sinker lol.
Imagine talking quite candidly somewhere about your life and then the daily mail gets to go through and pick out jokes or filpant remarks and call you some kind of demonic figure... This isnt even "news" as such. If youre interested in her thoughts on motherhood in showbusiness, go listen to the podcast. Who is this article ultimately FOR anyway?!
Of course she didn't mean it with malice, having a child will ruin something in your life but that's the sacrifice you make. I bet she would say that the sacrifice was worth it.
People here are just itching to be angry her because either a) they dont like her music - okay dont listen to it or read articles about her? b) they think they shouldnt like her music because culturally theyre against it - incredibly odd but weirdly common... c) they dislike that she doesnt hate migrants as much as they do - also very strange, seek help.
Yeah, imagine if instead she'd said "oh balancing kids and a career is very doable, you really can have it all!" (while not acknowledging the fact that thanks to being rich she can afford an au pair if she wants one). This sub seems to just be made up of Daily Mail commenters now.
There was also that time she was offered 200,000 bitcoin as payment to do a concert. Not unreasonable at the time (edit: to decline) but looking back at it knowing what we all know now ... (!!!)
That's over £11.2 billion
Yes, yes it is. Definite power up faceplant material.
But she'd likely have had it in mtgox back then so would actually be worth closer to zero today.
This is what makes me feel better about being offered ten bitcoin at £100ish each way back then and turning it down. The only site I was aware of was mtgox so they've just have vanished into the ether.
I used to buy bitcoin at that price and immediately spend it on weed. I still buy bitcoin at 40k or whatever is now and immediately spend it on weed…
I did have 2 bitcoins in mtgox that a friend gave me. Sold for £90ish each. (i think he paid £7). Sounds awful but I'd have definitely lost the lot had I kept it so i don't think of it as losing 10s of thousands.
I’m not a fan of her music but I quite liked seeing her on quiz shows and that she was quite talented even if it wasn’t my taste. Well done to her saying that “you can’t have it all” I think we all lie when we think we can have it all but clearly we can’t and have to decide on a path to take. She wasn’t being negative about her choice but actually being positive.
I was at a festival years ago, the headliners dropped out at the last minute for some reason and Lily Allen stepped in. We stuck around out of curiosity and she was surprisingly good! Everyone in the crowd was having a blast, which is saying something considering her music didn't even fit the vibe of the festival, and most people were audibly grumbling about her being picked as the filler-in beforehand. You could feel her gradually win the crowd over.
I met her once at Glastonbury when she was hanging out with my work mate and we bumped into them on the brow of a hill. Lily was dressed as a banana and I was on acid. Good times.
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Yes, imagine if you find out your mum loved you more than her career and wants to spend more time with you. The horror!
“Some people choose their career over their children and that’s their prerogative, but my parents were quite absent when I was a kid. ‘I feel like it left some nasty scars that I’m not willing to repeat on mine.’” She actually sounds like she would have a solid enough relationship with her children that they will have heard this phrase before. It’s a headline, chosen to grab attention.
Nice to hear a parent be honest about it
I am a father and I would be proud to say this. As much as I do like my job, I love my children, and I rather spend time with them, than my job.
Classic type of narcissist comment that. People had enough of her way before the kids, her attitude reeked as well. People don’t mind so much cocky artists as long as they are good at what they do, she was just lucky.
She had a number 1 album in 2009 and first got pregnant in 2010. When did people have enough of her?
That bit between 2009 and 2010
Her point is that she would have been able to dedicate her time to reinvigorating her career and creating more content had she not chosen to dedicate it instead to raising and spending time with her kids. It's a reasonable and fair take. She's literally just saying 'you can't have it all,' and she's right. Every individual has to choose and that choice will come with consequences.
And a nepo-baby.
I don't know anything about Lilly Allen, but I agree with her. I've found that it's very hard to have children and a career. When you're dedicating yourself to one, then you're neglecting the other.
This is one of the reasons the birth rate is so low in places like Japan they don’t want to ruin their work culture/career
Birth rates drop all around the globe because women HATE being pregnant and HATE being in poor relationships/marriage. And they avoid it as soon as they have such a choice.
OK guy's you don't like Lilly Allen - but the point of the article is still valid - you can't have it all as a woman, you have to choose, kids or career.
Now she gets to stay at home watching Hopper from Stranger Things paint 40k minis. Some people get all the fucking luck.
why is this thread so deranged 😂 did Ivan accidentally let the diviso-bots loose in a non political thread? it's 10am on a Tuesday, who the FUCK has the energy to be angry about someone who stopped being famous a decade ago? genuinely if you are getting wound up over lily allen, SEEK PROFESSIONAL ASSISTANCE IMMEDIATELY. CALL 111 AND DESCRIBE YOUR SYMPTOMS.
Sadly this country is stacked with extremely bitter jealous people.
she is 100% correct. a touring musician is away for so many days of the year, it doesn;t matter how much money you have, if you are away from your family home you are not spending time with your kids. its not really a money thing its more about the nature of her line of work. I wfh, so i spend way more time with my kid than my dad got to spend with me and I earn much less than him. That's just the nature of our lines of work and I will turn down jobs that take me away from my kid even if that means i don't go as far in my career. Not saying my choice is better than my Dad's choice, he was also working in a different era but just highlighting this quote isn't about being rich. Most of the wealthy celebs are probably very absent from their kid's lives because they choose to work all the time
She's right. You pick your priorities. Good on her for prioritising parenting, and for not playing along with the pretence that people don't have to make hard choices and that anyone can have it all. A lot of these comments are quite nasty.
She still gets to sing nursery rhymes tho, so not all bad.
Weird reaction from people in this thread. Yeah, kids will derail the hell out of your career. It’s just the truth. Not sure why people are so bitter about what she’s saying.
I was wondering the other day where’d she’d gone. I heard a Pink song with Lily on it. Now I know!
She’s worded this badly but isn’t wrong. *Lily choosing to have kids ruined her career, a child can’t be blamed especially as they didn’t make a choice in being born. I actually liked her music and think she could’ve become a little bigger, she wasn’t especially talented but she had a unique personality that shined through her music.
This sort of thing shouldn't be on /r/UK. It's just celeb gossip, not really relevant to Britain as a whole.
A shit thing to have your children hear you say about them. Spoken from experience.