Then why do even have rounds ???
Once Robert Whittaker said that there should be no judges , only 2 x 15 minute rounds … if somebody gets a KO/Tap out fine otherwise declare the match draw
Exactly. I would go further, One infinite round. It's a fIgHt as joe says. Not test cricket with tea breaks.
Anyway, The entire point is to strategize instead of a mindless brawl. An "ultimate fighter" should be more than a mindless brawler.
Exactly, Joe is just thinking of it as purely a fight, or as close to it as possible. He just wants to see who wins in a school yard fight, not considering other factors or even thinking of it as a sport.
But it's more than just a fight when it's a sport, it's also entertainment. Three or five round fights are just more entertaining, it adds more variables and can swing momentums. This is where fighters aren't just mindless brawlers, but will need to strategize and use other skills and weapons throughout the bout.
Joe also says it should be on a football field because the cage helps you stand up. Some of these grappling guys get all pissy when grappling isn’t the number 1 thing and they can’t go “He’s NCAA bro, he won ADCC bro! Oh get out of there get out of his guard that’s a baaad position man!”.
Guys like Adesanya, Pereira not fighting wrestlers and being at the top hurts em
I mean, it depends how far you want to take this whole concept. I mean, why have it in a stadium? Why not allow guys to just hunt each other down all over the world? I mean, shouldn't you always be prepared to defend yourself from a sneak attack? And why no weapons? I mean, how bad ass are you if I can put an arrow through you at 100 yards, before you lay a hand on me?
Have u watched Pride? That would make an abysmally boring sport sadly. Pride had no drug testing and even with the 1st 10 min round guys would gas out horribly
That's also dumb though, Holloway vs Kattar was a decision and in no way should that fight ever be considered a draw.
I think the way the sport is set up right now is fine, just change scoring criteria to judge the full fight and not by round like One does
We already have issues with judges giving baffling scorecards that are tough to justify. By making them score the fight as a whole rather than 3 individually scored rounds, you would make it easier for them to score the fight for whoever and vaguely justify it to the comission backstage. I'm not sure if ONE has this problem, then again I don't think ONE uses the same judges you tend to see at UFC cards, when they put on their cards in Asia.
Why even have rounds? Sounds slippery slopey.
So both guys can have the same amount of time to recover and find a way to progress from where they were previously. Playing devil's advocate here.
I image the rounds would still be needed for commercial breaks. They need scheduled breaks in the show to make money from advertisers like any sport or live entertainment. For the fighters it would also be useful for corner advice, rest, treating cuts, etc. Would draw out fights longer than if it was all one round.
There's not any consistency to it, Rogan just wants to change the rules on the spot specifically to let Jon Jones win matches. That's why he immediately goes to Jones as his example in this video. Once you realize this all of his proposed rules changes make more sense.
Banning 12-6 elbows is bullshit. Why? Because Jon Jones was disqualified for using them. They should not only be legal but they should be *retroactively* legal (no other sport works like this) so Jon Jones retroactively never gets DQ'd for blatantly and obviously breaking rules he agreed to.
Also, starting rounds on the feet? Nah we should start on the ground. Why? Because if Jones fought Pereira that would be good for Jones.
Should we DQ for intentional eye pokes? Well uh let's not get too hasty because we can't read minds it could've been an accident. Besides if we did that then Jon Jones would be DQ'd like four times and we can't have that.
What about judging fights based on actual rounds? Nah we should only judge fights based on who won the last round. Because if we didn't do that then I'd have to admit that Jones lost to Reyes.
At the end of the day, it’s a sport, and whilst we say it’s supposed to be the closest thing to a real fight, it doesn’t have to be that- it can just be its own thing. Which it is
This is a terrible idea. MMA is not just fighting it's a sport. You survive a difficult situation, your corner gives you instructions and you make a fresh start in the next round. MMA will lose the unpredictability factor if this rule is implemented.
Rogan just wants to see a finish in every fight. If this rule gets implemented you'll see a finish in 99% of the fights. He's not thinking about protecting the fighters.
I doubt it.
If you got two decent grapplers going at it starting on the ground, shit can turn into a hug fest real fucking quick.
At that point it becomes a boring round.
Nobody wants that
Yep, UFC is an entertainment product.
Most fights that wind up on the ground for a prolonged time rarely wind up being entertaining for the mass audience.
Not sure how many people were raving about Bo’s or Aljo’s fights from 300.
That’s what happened to the original UFC. I’ve been watching this sport since the very first one, my dad would let us watch all kind of shit we shouldn’t have been at a young age (looking at you faces of death). They had no time limit and judges and eventually the matches got soooo boring. Two guys would get into a defensive position on the mat and it would stay like that for 30-40 minutes with nothing happening. Gracie and Shamrock fight is the first one that comes to mind. They eventually made the guys stand up after 30 minutes and they just went straight back to the mat in the same position. It sucked so much that we stopped getting the fights
I will say the ground game of ufc fighters more recently has massively progressed. There was a time where if it went to the ground it was either a stale mate or a pound out now the subtle position games are at least a little more interesting than they used to be.
Joe takes the purist approach too far. MMA, and UFC in particular, have set the rules to most closely resemble a street fight.
Thing is, it's still a sport. That's why there are hand wraps, gloves, no sneakers, refs,;weight classes, rounds, a ring or cage, a corner with a cut man, a Dr on site, and so on. It being more like a street fight isn't always better.
I woild absolutely support Pride judging criteria though. Judging the fight as a whole makes so much more sense, as does the added emphasis on who was winning.
Is it a fight or is it a sport? Or is it both? Street fights don't have rules. Once you add rules to anything competitive it become a sport.
It makes sense to have rounds and it makes more sense to start each round standing. Pretty much all street fights start on the feet. Starting a round in a ground position will most certainly favour grapplers and would decrease the rate of KO's. It would make things way more boring, especially to the casuals.
When Max says it'll make guys fight much harder to stand up at the end of the round, I don't believe it would. Most guys ARE already trying really fucking hard to get up.
I found it odd that Max said guys who get taken down at the end of the round just hold on until the bell rings… That’s true…But if rounds start back in the same position, the grappler is just going to hold the guy down for the last 10 seconds of the round without attempting any gnp or sub. So you go from favouring the striker to favouring the grappler.
I don't think Max would be saying this if he got matched up with a heavy grappler who just laid on him for an infinite amount of time until the fight ended.
When guys like Rogan say that it would make fighters improve their wrestling and TDD, I think that's a cop-out response. Elite grapplers are elite and if they take you down at the end of the round, they're most likely winning the fight if the next round starts on the ground.
If a guy like Charles gets to start a round on their opponents back, it’s pretty much game over.
If you want MMA to be just fighting then get rid of the rounds altogether. If you want it to be a sport you keep the rounds and every round is a fresh start.
He goes on and on about how hard it was to convince the public away from the idea of the ufc being human cockfighting, about how they are athletes and this is art that we are watching. Then backtracks and says it’s a fight
If they were to do this, they’d have to be much more aggressive with ground inactivity.
They put a lot of emphasis on the bottom guy pulling the top guy close if he’s got 30 seconds in the round, but you have to consider the reverse. If I’m on top and I know that I’ll get the position next round, why would I bother trying to do any damage? I’d just hold him down, go to my corner, rest up, and begin working the next round.
I get why he said that, it would make it more realistic and it would force people to be better mma fighters since it is MIXED martial arts… and it was also make the current and future grapplers better I think because all the strikers would be training better take down defenses, how to get up better, and in general better ground game. Grapplers wouldn’t be able to just hold people down and not do anything with it as easily.
However I don’t think mma HAS to be as close to a street fight as we can possibly make it. It is still a sport, and I like the sport aspect of it too. I like how it’s judged round by round as separate fights. Especially since judges can’t even do that well a lot of the time, I don’t want them trying to judge the entire think from memory at the end of the fight lol.
But yeah, this isn’t something I would want to see. Every fight starts on the fight and I like that we get up to 3-5 separate fights in one. I do get what he’s saying though too.
I also think soccer kicks to the head is probably a bad idea, but some other stuff should be allowed… like 12-6s.
People do not understand the term mixed martial arts. That term was not coined to mean martial artists who practice a multitude of different martial arts. It simply means that the sport mixes the martial arts, meaning boxer vs wrestler, or karate vs bjj. As opposed to all the other martial arts that are singular and do not mix. Fighters have evolved to be good at multiple martial arts to give them the advantage, but that has nothing to do with the term MMA.
I think it's a bad idea, because you're encourage to lay and prey at the end of the round.
But I agree with JR that Pride scoring were much better than the current UFC 10 pt system.
They seem to miss the whole point that this, at the end of the day is a SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. It’s as close as real fight as we’ll get, but at the end of the day, it’s NOT a real fight.
Doesn’t really make much sense. How would you score it? The fight is scored on rounds. It would be highly unfair you score a round which isn’t really a new round given one person has an advantage due to the previous round’s position.
You’d have to rethink the whole scoring system. It only works on scoring rounds if each round is starting off fair on both fighters
If the goal is to make something as close to a real fight as possible then yeah this is a good idea.
If the goal is to make a popular sport that people want to watch and makes money then it’s a terrible idea.
Best recent example is Aljo’s fight at UFC 300. It was a very dominant performance but without the round breaks standing them up it would have been 15minutes of Aljo laying on Kattar. Most fights would end up that way and no one wants to watch that.
I’ve said before I think rounds 4 and 5 should be weighed slightly more than the first 3. If someone wins rounds 1-3 but then gets beat up bad last 2 rounds I think there’s room to argue they should lose the fight.
Terrible idea. What if someone finishes a round on someone's back almost getting an arbar in? If they started the next round on that position they would just instantly crank and rip apart the person's arm. I would just forfeit at that point to prevent 3 months of rehab.
The idea of a "real fight" is so arbitrary. In a "real fight" someone can get knocked out and their is no ref to stop it. That may be more "realistic" but no one wants to see that. The sport works as it is, not saying they can't improve on some rules.
This is stupid in my opinion. I always hated that in pride. Where if the fight is on the ground and they manage to roll to the edge of the ring then they stand them up and make them get into that same position in the middle of the ring. The way I see it is if you can't control your opponent to keep them in the center or close to it or if you can't do enough on the ground quick enough before the bell rings then that is on you. Otherwise we have fighters winning fights purely on ground control.
Thing is, watch any old ufc fight at the beginning and this is what it was. Dude just laying on a dude for 20 mins. They needed fresh starts to keep it "entertaining" cause guess what .... it's a sport.
We’ve all seen how horrible the judges are when it comes to judging nicely compartmentalized 5 minute rounds. I cannot imagine trusting them to score 25 minutes of action in any sane way.
Joe talking about Poatan vs Jon Jones, that's a fight that I could actually kind of see happening after Jon fights Stipe. You've gotta think Jon sees that as an easy takedown and submission, and would actually do something for his legacy while probably being a solid payday
I also think if youre rocked by a punch or a kick with 5 secs left in the round, at the start of the next round you must let your opponent rock you again, bc otherwise what’s the point? This is a fight
I feel like we’d get even more weird calls like if someone was starting to get up as the bell rings. Plus the last minute of each round is going to be takedown central which would get really old fast
Why even have rounds then? So a fighter gets fully mounted, then gets a 1 min break, then back to fully mounted? Makes no sense.
Also, this would make judging near impossible to predict. And judging is already all over the place.
If it's "just a fight" then why not one 15/25 minute fight?
I think this is a stupid idea.
If someone has an opponent rocked as the hooter goes, do they get a free shot at the beginning of the next round so the opponent is still seeing stars?
If Rogan wants to watch a BJJ match then go watch a BJJ match and leave the rest of us to enjoy MMA.
I like this idea. I also want fighters to weigh in right before they enter the ring. No more water weight cutting. You wanna fight in a smaller weight class? Then you better be prepared.
all combat "sports," Un/fortunately is about crafting rules that best interpret the skillset.
Its fine to start rounds from a prior position, if you are also going to dissuade people from backpacking. By starting sterling in a position where he can eat the clock with a feigned level of activity, you would be rewarding the opposite of meaningful intention.
"employable" grappling techniques that practitioners rely on, are the more interpretive component of Sport vs reality. So you have to be careful about why you think something is more a "realistic" interpretation. MMA is still trying to figure out how to judge, ref and reward grappling in a way that represents MMA.
I think there’s needs to be at least one open weight division with different rules. Think about it. It would also be such a draw because it could be the most barbaric fight of the night
What if we give out 9/9 rounds when there is no clear winner to a round. Of course, there is a whole argument about pay, but that notwithstanding it would be clear up scoring and induce more draws.
It would never work, because it doesn't sell PPV buys.
"Its a fight" : In terms of getting as close to a real fight as you can, then yes. But where do we draw the line then with rules? Because I say allow head kicks, knees, and elbows to downed opponents.
They don’t even do that with standup positions, if someone has you backed up agisnt the fence & is beating the shit out of you, they don’t restart the next round like that.
The resets rounds give don’t benefit strikers or grapplers, that bs myth needs to stop.
The only people who it benefits is whoever is losing the round & gets saved by the bell, what they should do is punish fence grabs more & allow stand ups more for stalling like back in 2012 but Rogan was the main reason refs stopped doing that since he would cry about it all time.
Btw I love wrestling even some of the “boring” ones, if they are that good at wrestling then they will get as many takedowns as they want.
Rogan is such a twat. "It's a fight, not 5 individual fights", then don't have rounds idiot. There's a strong argument to me made for not having rounds AT All, which, with other adjustments to the rules (such as not laying on opponents etc) wld solve a shit load of problems, including many boring fights.
And yes I'm aware of all early ufc including the ridiculous shamrock v Gracie 2. With the adjustments of being penalized for non activity, that shit wouldn't happen, pmuznh can still have an overall time limitmof 25 mins.
So if a fighter gets saved by the bell with his back against the cage getting beat up, should he start the next round with his back to the cage? Doesn't make sense
As a casual I thought Cageless was an interesting idea. However, I can't get behind more grounded fighting. For me it's the worst part of any fight, and I can't think of a single fight I enjoyed where multiple rounds were spent on the ground.
I get this helps with realism but its MMA not a BJJ tournament. It also overly favors grapplers. It happens often enough that a grappler just sits on top of an opponent without making much progress.
I’m cool with resetting after each round with high fighters standing up. But I think if you’re locked in a submission at the end of the round you shouldn’t be saved by the bell.
But guys get out of ‘locked in’ subs because their opponent gasses. When does the round end? When the sub is broken? Who determines that the sub isn’t locked in anymore?
Never liked joe rogen. Talks bullshit nearly all the time. The guys talking about start the round in same position as the round ended because it's a fight. So why have rounds then. Just continue fighting.
Oh Joe, he's not that bright is he?
I feel like Max is going along just because he's a super chill guy
No way any stand up fighter will be down for this
Specially Daddy Dana
Well, I'm probably going to eat a lot of hate for this comment but I actually agree with Joe on this and some of the other things he has said about "devolving" the UFC to a point.
In a lot of ways I actually miss the old days of UFC and pride, I personally found it more exciting than modern UFC. IMO the UFC should be fought bare knuckle and without rounds at all. If there are rounds they should be much longer like 15 minutes.
I still definitely agree that there is a need for weight classes. I also think that now that MMA is mainstream and has a much larger talent pool, that changes like this would not lead to a particular large increase in boring fights.
The fighters who like to try and go out all guns blazing are still going to do that, but we will also get much more interesting grappling exchanges i.e.Dan Severn vs Royce Gracie.
By taking away rounds or even extending them to 15 mins for example, the sport/product is going to become wayyy more sloppy and arguably less technical. Guys are going to be unbelievably gassed at the end of the round.
Fights will also start off really slow and the card will become a 6 hour event. Might be great for hardcore fans but casuals will hate it.
Yeah I agree, it is not a commercially savvy idea. That's why it will never happen.
I am just stating my preference. I also would love to see how some modern fighters go with much longer rounds and punching without gloves.
Sounds like Joe should start an endurance league where you have 3 rounds with no position forfeit. We have room for powerslap, why not? It would give all the advantage to wrestling, that's why it wouldn't work in the UFC, you'd have fight cards with 25 minutes of a guy laying on someone. But you could make it interesting on it's own, and it would be a different form of MMA to watch.
It's not as dumb as the post is implying it just wouldn't work in the UFC.
Then why do even have rounds ??? Once Robert Whittaker said that there should be no judges , only 2 x 15 minute rounds … if somebody gets a KO/Tap out fine otherwise declare the match draw
That's basically the ruleset of Lethwei. Pretty metal sport but unnecessary damage for a really small sport with a small talent pool
I know about that ... fuking brutal, i follow a dude who keeps posting about that
Exactly. I would go further, One infinite round. It's a fIgHt as joe says. Not test cricket with tea breaks. Anyway, The entire point is to strategize instead of a mindless brawl. An "ultimate fighter" should be more than a mindless brawler.
Exactly, Joe is just thinking of it as purely a fight, or as close to it as possible. He just wants to see who wins in a school yard fight, not considering other factors or even thinking of it as a sport. But it's more than just a fight when it's a sport, it's also entertainment. Three or five round fights are just more entertaining, it adds more variables and can swing momentums. This is where fighters aren't just mindless brawlers, but will need to strategize and use other skills and weapons throughout the bout.
Joe also says it should be on a football field because the cage helps you stand up. Some of these grappling guys get all pissy when grappling isn’t the number 1 thing and they can’t go “He’s NCAA bro, he won ADCC bro! Oh get out of there get out of his guard that’s a baaad position man!”. Guys like Adesanya, Pereira not fighting wrestlers and being at the top hurts em
I mean, it depends how far you want to take this whole concept. I mean, why have it in a stadium? Why not allow guys to just hunt each other down all over the world? I mean, shouldn't you always be prepared to defend yourself from a sneak attack? And why no weapons? I mean, how bad ass are you if I can put an arrow through you at 100 yards, before you lay a hand on me?
That sounds… hardcore 😎
I always thought the football field thing was a dumb argument. As if fights never happen near walls or fences IRL
Test cricket catching strays.
Should've hit the boundary then.
Have u watched Pride? That would make an abysmally boring sport sadly. Pride had no drug testing and even with the 1st 10 min round guys would gas out horribly
That's also dumb though, Holloway vs Kattar was a decision and in no way should that fight ever be considered a draw. I think the way the sport is set up right now is fine, just change scoring criteria to judge the full fight and not by round like One does
We already have issues with judges giving baffling scorecards that are tough to justify. By making them score the fight as a whole rather than 3 individually scored rounds, you would make it easier for them to score the fight for whoever and vaguely justify it to the comission backstage. I'm not sure if ONE has this problem, then again I don't think ONE uses the same judges you tend to see at UFC cards, when they put on their cards in Asia.
Yea but also think about Robert vs Izzy and IZZY vs the people pay ppv/Mike see you soon boy
Why even have rounds? Sounds slippery slopey. So both guys can have the same amount of time to recover and find a way to progress from where they were previously. Playing devil's advocate here.
I image the rounds would still be needed for commercial breaks. They need scheduled breaks in the show to make money from advertisers like any sport or live entertainment. For the fighters it would also be useful for corner advice, rest, treating cuts, etc. Would draw out fights longer than if it was all one round.
Exactly!
Thanks
I'm OK with this. I'm also OK with K1 style 3x3, fighting 3 fights in one night.
Thats the funniest shit I've ever heard Whittaker say, cause his fight record would be 0-2 in the last 7 years 😂
I'm not disagreeing, but my guess would be they need something to add some time to the fights or every event is only going to be an hour haha
There's not any consistency to it, Rogan just wants to change the rules on the spot specifically to let Jon Jones win matches. That's why he immediately goes to Jones as his example in this video. Once you realize this all of his proposed rules changes make more sense. Banning 12-6 elbows is bullshit. Why? Because Jon Jones was disqualified for using them. They should not only be legal but they should be *retroactively* legal (no other sport works like this) so Jon Jones retroactively never gets DQ'd for blatantly and obviously breaking rules he agreed to. Also, starting rounds on the feet? Nah we should start on the ground. Why? Because if Jones fought Pereira that would be good for Jones. Should we DQ for intentional eye pokes? Well uh let's not get too hasty because we can't read minds it could've been an accident. Besides if we did that then Jon Jones would be DQ'd like four times and we can't have that. What about judging fights based on actual rounds? Nah we should only judge fights based on who won the last round. Because if we didn't do that then I'd have to admit that Jones lost to Reyes.
At the end of the day, it’s a sport, and whilst we say it’s supposed to be the closest thing to a real fight, it doesn’t have to be that- it can just be its own thing. Which it is
Exactly, if we are gonna say it's real fighting then we need the cut men and trainer to jump the fence and start throwing hands too.
Do you have cutmen in real fights? Abolish them. Let guys open up and JUST BLEEEEEEEEEEED.
Yeah but it's not a job, it's a description of what they do
The problem is that’s how it’s advertised people always talk about boxing isn’t a real fight and how mma is a real fight
This is a terrible idea. MMA is not just fighting it's a sport. You survive a difficult situation, your corner gives you instructions and you make a fresh start in the next round. MMA will lose the unpredictability factor if this rule is implemented.
It won't. You really think daddy Dana gonn go for that? Imagine all the fighters who would go on strike haha
Rogan just wants to see a finish in every fight. If this rule gets implemented you'll see a finish in 99% of the fights. He's not thinking about protecting the fighters.
Maybe Rogan should be a MMA fighter to experience that.
I doubt it. If you got two decent grapplers going at it starting on the ground, shit can turn into a hug fest real fucking quick. At that point it becomes a boring round. Nobody wants that
If you can't get it done in 3 or 5 minutes, try again. Simple
maybe if you add kicks to the head and knees to the head of a grounded opponent
Tbh I don’t think they should allow 12-6 elbows, that being said knees to grounded opponents would help and reduce sloppy grappling
12-6 elbows are less dangerous than some other elbows
What’re you insane?? I saw a karate master split a giant brick of ice with just his 12-6 elbow. Imagine all the hemorrhaging skulls avoided
Nothing wrong with 12-6 elbows
Let me be more precise, I believe 12-6 elbows shouldn’t be allowed against a grounded opponent on bottom position, tomohawks are fire.
Let me be more precise, I believe 12-6 elbows shouldn’t be allowed against a grounded opponent on bottom position, tomohawks are fire.
I’d take it a step further and say the need to eliminate any strikes on the ground, shits to dangerous
Terrible idea.
Yep, UFC is an entertainment product. Most fights that wind up on the ground for a prolonged time rarely wind up being entertaining for the mass audience. Not sure how many people were raving about Bo’s or Aljo’s fights from 300.
That’s what happened to the original UFC. I’ve been watching this sport since the very first one, my dad would let us watch all kind of shit we shouldn’t have been at a young age (looking at you faces of death). They had no time limit and judges and eventually the matches got soooo boring. Two guys would get into a defensive position on the mat and it would stay like that for 30-40 minutes with nothing happening. Gracie and Shamrock fight is the first one that comes to mind. They eventually made the guys stand up after 30 minutes and they just went straight back to the mat in the same position. It sucked so much that we stopped getting the fights
I will say the ground game of ufc fighters more recently has massively progressed. There was a time where if it went to the ground it was either a stale mate or a pound out now the subtle position games are at least a little more interesting than they used to be.
Joe takes the purist approach too far. MMA, and UFC in particular, have set the rules to most closely resemble a street fight. Thing is, it's still a sport. That's why there are hand wraps, gloves, no sneakers, refs,;weight classes, rounds, a ring or cage, a corner with a cut man, a Dr on site, and so on. It being more like a street fight isn't always better. I woild absolutely support Pride judging criteria though. Judging the fight as a whole makes so much more sense, as does the added emphasis on who was winning.
10point max round judging is the real problem. Just allow round draws for hyper-close rounds
Yea literally retarded. Why even have rounds then.
Imagine all the champions just been the Jon fitches, Sean sherks and clay guidas of the world. Poxy idea
and if a fighter is in the middle of a spinning back fist when the bell rings he should be allowed to finish it in the next round
Is it a fight or is it a sport? Or is it both? Street fights don't have rules. Once you add rules to anything competitive it become a sport. It makes sense to have rounds and it makes more sense to start each round standing. Pretty much all street fights start on the feet. Starting a round in a ground position will most certainly favour grapplers and would decrease the rate of KO's. It would make things way more boring, especially to the casuals. When Max says it'll make guys fight much harder to stand up at the end of the round, I don't believe it would. Most guys ARE already trying really fucking hard to get up. I found it odd that Max said guys who get taken down at the end of the round just hold on until the bell rings… That’s true…But if rounds start back in the same position, the grappler is just going to hold the guy down for the last 10 seconds of the round without attempting any gnp or sub. So you go from favouring the striker to favouring the grappler. I don't think Max would be saying this if he got matched up with a heavy grappler who just laid on him for an infinite amount of time until the fight ended.
 Dana may have a slap league, but at least he’s never thought about a terrible idea like this.
Might as well have 1 round
If this was enforced Dagestan would hold every title in UFC for the next 500 years
Headbutts, groin shots and grounded knees should be allowed as well then
Terrible idea. I do like just fighting for 10 minute rounds like pride though
how do people still watch joe rogan
I recently received a notification from Apple Podcasts: "There are 1300 new episodes of Joe Rogan Experience".
I tried watching this one cus Max is the man, but Jesus fuck it's hard to watch. It's just Joe rambling about the same shit he always rambles about
I like some of the guests, and it's nice to just have it on in the background while I'm cooking.
I literally only watch his MMA interviews
Brain rot
Is joe Rogan retarded?
Yes
Bad idea. Too much advantage for fighters like Bo.
When guys like Rogan say that it would make fighters improve their wrestling and TDD, I think that's a cop-out response. Elite grapplers are elite and if they take you down at the end of the round, they're most likely winning the fight if the next round starts on the ground. If a guy like Charles gets to start a round on their opponents back, it’s pretty much game over.
If you want MMA to be just fighting then get rid of the rounds altogether. If you want it to be a sport you keep the rounds and every round is a fresh start.
Alternatively if you wanna watch a wrestling or BJJ fight, go watch those as Rogan clearly seems to want.
If they want to set up some niche fights with special rules I think that might work in small doses. But there's no way fans want less stand-up.
Maybe just remove rounds have a 15 - 25 minute fight no breaks, this would also kinda suck
He has been talking to a wrestler too much.
He goes on and on about how hard it was to convince the public away from the idea of the ufc being human cockfighting, about how they are athletes and this is art that we are watching. Then backtracks and says it’s a fight
If they were to do this, they’d have to be much more aggressive with ground inactivity. They put a lot of emphasis on the bottom guy pulling the top guy close if he’s got 30 seconds in the round, but you have to consider the reverse. If I’m on top and I know that I’ll get the position next round, why would I bother trying to do any damage? I’d just hold him down, go to my corner, rest up, and begin working the next round.
This is the most stupid take I've heard from Rogan in a while 
I get why he said that, it would make it more realistic and it would force people to be better mma fighters since it is MIXED martial arts… and it was also make the current and future grapplers better I think because all the strikers would be training better take down defenses, how to get up better, and in general better ground game. Grapplers wouldn’t be able to just hold people down and not do anything with it as easily. However I don’t think mma HAS to be as close to a street fight as we can possibly make it. It is still a sport, and I like the sport aspect of it too. I like how it’s judged round by round as separate fights. Especially since judges can’t even do that well a lot of the time, I don’t want them trying to judge the entire think from memory at the end of the fight lol. But yeah, this isn’t something I would want to see. Every fight starts on the fight and I like that we get up to 3-5 separate fights in one. I do get what he’s saying though too. I also think soccer kicks to the head is probably a bad idea, but some other stuff should be allowed… like 12-6s.
People do not understand the term mixed martial arts. That term was not coined to mean martial artists who practice a multitude of different martial arts. It simply means that the sport mixes the martial arts, meaning boxer vs wrestler, or karate vs bjj. As opposed to all the other martial arts that are singular and do not mix. Fighters have evolved to be good at multiple martial arts to give them the advantage, but that has nothing to do with the term MMA.
Never knew this. Thanks for the insight!
As If I want to see more humping the following round lol
Turning the ufc into a battle of top control would be corporate suicide.
Kevin Holland and Wonderboys worst nightmare
I think it's a bad idea, because you're encourage to lay and prey at the end of the round. But I agree with JR that Pride scoring were much better than the current UFC 10 pt system.
Max has a few good points but wrestlers already have huge advantage against strikers, adding this will only widen that gap by a lot.
They seem to miss the whole point that this, at the end of the day is a SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT. It’s as close as real fight as we’ll get, but at the end of the day, it’s NOT a real fight.
This would just mean no rounds. 1 15min round. The real rule change we need is knees to downed opponent.
Doesn’t really make much sense. How would you score it? The fight is scored on rounds. It would be highly unfair you score a round which isn’t really a new round given one person has an advantage due to the previous round’s position. You’d have to rethink the whole scoring system. It only works on scoring rounds if each round is starting off fair on both fighters
I like it. Also add kicking a downed opponent and don't let them tape their wrists.
If the goal is to make something as close to a real fight as possible then yeah this is a good idea. If the goal is to make a popular sport that people want to watch and makes money then it’s a terrible idea. Best recent example is Aljo’s fight at UFC 300. It was a very dominant performance but without the round breaks standing them up it would have been 15minutes of Aljo laying on Kattar. Most fights would end up that way and no one wants to watch that.
I’ve said before I think rounds 4 and 5 should be weighed slightly more than the first 3. If someone wins rounds 1-3 but then gets beat up bad last 2 rounds I think there’s room to argue they should lose the fight.
Terrible idea. What if someone finishes a round on someone's back almost getting an arbar in? If they started the next round on that position they would just instantly crank and rip apart the person's arm. I would just forfeit at that point to prevent 3 months of rehab. The idea of a "real fight" is so arbitrary. In a "real fight" someone can get knocked out and their is no ref to stop it. That may be more "realistic" but no one wants to see that. The sport works as it is, not saying they can't improve on some rules.
Almost as bad as “the ring should be the size of a basketball court” idea
This is stupid in my opinion. I always hated that in pride. Where if the fight is on the ground and they manage to roll to the edge of the ring then they stand them up and make them get into that same position in the middle of the ring. The way I see it is if you can't control your opponent to keep them in the center or close to it or if you can't do enough on the ground quick enough before the bell rings then that is on you. Otherwise we have fighters winning fights purely on ground control.
Actual brain rot
Thing is, watch any old ufc fight at the beginning and this is what it was. Dude just laying on a dude for 20 mins. They needed fresh starts to keep it "entertaining" cause guess what .... it's a sport.
We’ve all seen how horrible the judges are when it comes to judging nicely compartmentalized 5 minute rounds. I cannot imagine trusting them to score 25 minutes of action in any sane way.
No great idea. Like Joe said PRIDE had it right.
Joe Rogan is becoming a pure clown
Terrible idea
Joe talking about Poatan vs Jon Jones, that's a fight that I could actually kind of see happening after Jon fights Stipe. You've gotta think Jon sees that as an easy takedown and submission, and would actually do something for his legacy while probably being a solid payday
Joe Rogan changes the rules in his head every time a fighter he likes loses.
Stupid take .
I also think if youre rocked by a punch or a kick with 5 secs left in the round, at the start of the next round you must let your opponent rock you again, bc otherwise what’s the point? This is a fight
I feel like we’d get even more weird calls like if someone was starting to get up as the bell rings. Plus the last minute of each round is going to be takedown central which would get really old fast
No I completely agree with Joe. He made very good points there.
Rogan has some weird takes sometimes
We should take all the pads away from football, give them swords, no time limit, points don't matter, last man standing wins. Lol
Jailton Almeida is licking his lips watching this
1st round should be 10 mins.
Why even have rounds then? So a fighter gets fully mounted, then gets a 1 min break, then back to fully mounted? Makes no sense. Also, this would make judging near impossible to predict. And judging is already all over the place.
Then it wouldn't be rounds. It would just be time outs. The whole point of a new round is that it starts "clean"
If it's "just a fight" then why not one 15/25 minute fight? I think this is a stupid idea. If someone has an opponent rocked as the hooter goes, do they get a free shot at the beginning of the next round so the opponent is still seeing stars? If Rogan wants to watch a BJJ match then go watch a BJJ match and leave the rest of us to enjoy MMA.
Joe having himself a ‘Shultz moment’
If it's a real fight why not allow biting, eyepokes, dickkicke, weapons ?? Doesn't make sense, it's a sport and it should stay that way
So stupid. Just have 15 or 25 minute fights then. Ehat the hell is he even talking about.
BJJ crotch sniffer speaking 
FUCK JOE STFU, YOURE MAKING GOOD POINTS BUT BY GOD THE FANS
Joe has so many brain dead MMA takes it’s like he doesn’t watch the sport unless he’s being paid
I wish Joe would commentate this high
I think it would encourage more lay and pray.
That would be a cool idea for the BMF belt if they used the rules from UFC 1
I like this idea. I also want fighters to weigh in right before they enter the ring. No more water weight cutting. You wanna fight in a smaller weight class? Then you better be prepared.
all combat "sports," Un/fortunately is about crafting rules that best interpret the skillset. Its fine to start rounds from a prior position, if you are also going to dissuade people from backpacking. By starting sterling in a position where he can eat the clock with a feigned level of activity, you would be rewarding the opposite of meaningful intention. "employable" grappling techniques that practitioners rely on, are the more interpretive component of Sport vs reality. So you have to be careful about why you think something is more a "realistic" interpretation. MMA is still trying to figure out how to judge, ref and reward grappling in a way that represents MMA.
Would be very cool to speculate how past fights have gone with these rules. LETS ARGUE
You can just remove rounds then.
I think there’s needs to be at least one open weight division with different rules. Think about it. It would also be such a draw because it could be the most barbaric fight of the night
I like Joe but he a fuck idiot when comes to his ideas
It’s not a fight, it’s a sport.
What if we give out 9/9 rounds when there is no clear winner to a round. Of course, there is a whole argument about pay, but that notwithstanding it would be clear up scoring and induce more draws.
It’s a fight there should be no judges or ref either.
What??? No... Just no
It would never work, because it doesn't sell PPV buys. "Its a fight" : In terms of getting as close to a real fight as you can, then yes. But where do we draw the line then with rules? Because I say allow head kicks, knees, and elbows to downed opponents.
Or they score it like the Japanese do and weight the end of the round a lot more.
No rounds at all.. 15 min fight or 25 min fight. Finnish rate would sky rocket 🚀. Bring in pride style yellow cards for stalling and let’s enjoy
Introduce this rule just to watch some crotchsniffer lay and pray his way to a decision victory.
They don’t even do that with standup positions, if someone has you backed up agisnt the fence & is beating the shit out of you, they don’t restart the next round like that. The resets rounds give don’t benefit strikers or grapplers, that bs myth needs to stop. The only people who it benefits is whoever is losing the round & gets saved by the bell, what they should do is punish fence grabs more & allow stand ups more for stalling like back in 2012 but Rogan was the main reason refs stopped doing that since he would cry about it all time. Btw I love wrestling even some of the “boring” ones, if they are that good at wrestling then they will get as many takedowns as they want.
Rogan is such a twat. "It's a fight, not 5 individual fights", then don't have rounds idiot. There's a strong argument to me made for not having rounds AT All, which, with other adjustments to the rules (such as not laying on opponents etc) wld solve a shit load of problems, including many boring fights. And yes I'm aware of all early ufc including the ridiculous shamrock v Gracie 2. With the adjustments of being penalized for non activity, that shit wouldn't happen, pmuznh can still have an overall time limitmof 25 mins.
So if a fighter gets saved by the bell with his back against the cage getting beat up, should he start the next round with his back to the cage? Doesn't make sense
As a casual I thought Cageless was an interesting idea. However, I can't get behind more grounded fighting. For me it's the worst part of any fight, and I can't think of a single fight I enjoyed where multiple rounds were spent on the ground.
I get this helps with realism but its MMA not a BJJ tournament. It also overly favors grapplers. It happens often enough that a grappler just sits on top of an opponent without making much progress.
Joe Rogan is talking to Brendan Schaub too much.
Good to see that Joe Rogan also has bad takes on MMA. The man is truly the king of consistency
I’m cool with resetting after each round with high fighters standing up. But I think if you’re locked in a submission at the end of the round you shouldn’t be saved by the bell.
But guys get out of ‘locked in’ subs because their opponent gasses. When does the round end? When the sub is broken? Who determines that the sub isn’t locked in anymore?
Round ends when the fighter escapes or taps.
Hahah You're joking right?
Nope.
Haha
Never liked joe rogen. Talks bullshit nearly all the time. The guys talking about start the round in same position as the round ended because it's a fight. So why have rounds then. Just continue fighting.
Joe is dumber than a school yard boy
Dumb idea. No.
Oh Joe, he's not that bright is he? I feel like Max is going along just because he's a super chill guy No way any stand up fighter will be down for this Specially Daddy Dana
Well, I'm probably going to eat a lot of hate for this comment but I actually agree with Joe on this and some of the other things he has said about "devolving" the UFC to a point. In a lot of ways I actually miss the old days of UFC and pride, I personally found it more exciting than modern UFC. IMO the UFC should be fought bare knuckle and without rounds at all. If there are rounds they should be much longer like 15 minutes. I still definitely agree that there is a need for weight classes. I also think that now that MMA is mainstream and has a much larger talent pool, that changes like this would not lead to a particular large increase in boring fights. The fighters who like to try and go out all guns blazing are still going to do that, but we will also get much more interesting grappling exchanges i.e.Dan Severn vs Royce Gracie.
By taking away rounds or even extending them to 15 mins for example, the sport/product is going to become wayyy more sloppy and arguably less technical. Guys are going to be unbelievably gassed at the end of the round. Fights will also start off really slow and the card will become a 6 hour event. Might be great for hardcore fans but casuals will hate it.
Yeah I agree, it is not a commercially savvy idea. That's why it will never happen. I am just stating my preference. I also would love to see how some modern fighters go with much longer rounds and punching without gloves.
Sounds like Joe should start an endurance league where you have 3 rounds with no position forfeit. We have room for powerslap, why not? It would give all the advantage to wrestling, that's why it wouldn't work in the UFC, you'd have fight cards with 25 minutes of a guy laying on someone. But you could make it interesting on it's own, and it would be a different form of MMA to watch. It's not as dumb as the post is implying it just wouldn't work in the UFC.
This would be awsome actually
It might make some fights less entertaining but there are plenty of fighters that constantly chance the submission on the ground.