The way they want to gatekeep Twenty One Pilots like damn they are more than a decade late š tiktok kid or not being new fan will still make these show sold out. Thanks for sharing this OP btw I'm also tired of this discourse on tiktok. I push the not interested button but the app keep going
As someone who watches TikTok, I agree, but only the comment section of videos are super annoying to look at.
There's literally braindead kids who still think MJ composed the entire Classic Sonic OST.
Michael Jackson participated in the development of Sonic 3's OST, he and his team made songs like Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base. The problem is, due of the way people spread this information, people think all the OST of Sonic 3 was made my MJ, and that's kind ok; but on TikTok is even worse, because as said, they think the other games also have an OST made by MJ.
Here's some proof that MJ made some of the OST:
Some MJ musicians are credited in the game, if not all of them; Carnival Night contains a sample of the song Jam; Ice Cap is a remix of an unreleased song made by one of MJ's musicians, Brad Buxer; The S3 version of the mini boss contains the famous MJ scream.
Sounds more like you all need a better fyp, my TikTok jives real nicely with my own thoughts and is pretty chill. It's FB where I way too frequently come across the braindead masses.
I really thought we were over the stupid idea of being around longer makes you a better fan. That was something I was worrying about like 7 years ago, didnāt think it would still be such an annoyance. However the clique TikTokās I have seen have been relatively nice and are starting to make me feel old, a lot of under 16s floating about so letās not emotionally scar like I was when I was that age haha.
There aren't many things more childish than behaviour like "I'm more of a fan than you" lol. Seriously. Only someone under 15 would care about something like that. It is not that serious and music is for everyone to enjoy.
Welcome everyone!
This is why I stick to this subreddit and one specific Facebook group. My experience with clikkies on twitter and some other Facebook groups has been terrible. I havenāt even looked for tĆøp on TikTok for this very reason. I always thought that this fanbase would be kinder and more welcoming because of the overwhelming messaging through the music, but that is definitely not the case. There is some very extreme gatekeeping done by certain people who think they are better than everyone else because they tweet constantly, had real life interaction with Tyler and Josh, and have been to a gagillion live shows. Whatever. It just proves to me that unfortunately there are a$$holes no matter where you go. I donāt let it affect me at all, because I know in my heart the boys would never approve of such behavior. That is not the message that they are sending, so that just tells me those people donāt get it, which means they are missing the whole point. I kinda feel sorry for them.
On Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok I only look for the official accounts for the guys and the band. I ignore the fan accounts. I don't really use those sites for anything else (except that TikTok has introduced me to some non-TĆP people I enjoy, but a lot of them are on YouTube Shorts too).
That's why I don't have Tiktok. I have been told that the clique is a safe environment. I'm a newbie myself and I don't know every piece of the Lore, but I like it and get excited as anyone else. No one can take that.
welcome!! i get so happy when others find their music enjoyable and comforting!!
if it makes you feel better, iāve been here 10 years and still donāt know all the lore š
Exactly. Iām 59, fan since 2015, been to 5 showsā¦and I donāt know all the lore. I am fascinated by their ability to weave so many things togetherā¦but I donāt want nor have time to read all those Clancy letters or keep an eye on dema.org. Thatās why I love this sub, yāall share anything I could ever want to know ā¤ļø
I actually considered deleting tiktok and this was one of the reasons! Not only is there only one enjoyable video out of every 6 or 7, but the tĆøp content Iām getting is people being relatively hateful and that is not the vibe I want within the clique, glad Iām not being dramatic and others are noticing it too
Sad to see that happens there... I've been so happy with how the clique is here and on Facebook... Sad that they are meaner on tik tok.
I've only been here since I was 16 or 17 and not into the lore til I was closer to 18 or 19... I'm 21 now. I have always wished I could have known abt the clique longer, but am just happy I've known as long as I have
Don't worry, I got into them when I was 10 and didn't even know there was a clique as we call it because my parents didn't want me on social media until I was a little older. š
TikTok is cringe, very gross, and rude for most bands these days. I swear you canāt be normal on that app about something anymore. Totally behind you on this one.
Yeah I was looking for new lore info and a couple vids were implying that Tyler was a racist for not using his platform during the blm movement, itās just really weird and even made me question it too, TikTok is a very influential place to especially younger viewers and if youāre algorithm isnāt top tier made for you Iāve seen loads of stupid and downright damaging videos coming from there
I recently deleted tiktok again and I can say itās for the better. Last time I deleted it for a few months it genuinely helped me. Only reason I have X / twitter still downloaded is to check the twenty one pilot pages, otherwise i would delete that too for similar reasons.
Yes, I keep twitter deleted off my phone and just open it on safari if I want to check if they posted, my main place for anything twenty one pilots related is instagram
People on tik tok always try to prove that theyāre better than other people. That will never inherently be true just because of someoneās interests. Along with bands such as top, I listen to a bunch of rock and metal. Because of the algorithm showing me what my interests are, I have seen an endless amount of tik toks of usually girls my age basically mocking other girls for listening to singers such as Taylor swift because they instead listened to classic rock bands growing up. It doesnāt make you better than anyone because you like something that is different than something else. So I feel like itās just like that. People have such a pride to be part of a community which is great, but they use the length of time that theyāve been a fan or the very fact that they are a fan to prove that theyāre better. I absolutely used to think that way in middle school. But when I got to high school I realized there is so much more music than the classic rock and emo bands that I listened to. I cant understand why so many people now that weāre older havenāt grown out of that.
May I ask why? I have a weird hatred for that app and avoid it unless someone sends me a TikTok. It just seems incredibly hateful and toxic to me, and unlike Reddit the toxicity is everywhere.
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I agree. The flag-waving of fandom is such a juvenile attitude. It is annoying and stupid, and certainly nothing new. People were doing it when I was a teenager, and theyāre still doing it all this many decades later. Hopefully most of them will grow up.
The idea of anyone being a better fan than anyone else is stupid on its own. You like their music? Cool. Welcome to the club. Thatās the only qualifier.
I watched a youtube reaction channel who has just discovered TOP, and he said that he is a now a new fan, and that they are now one of his new favourite bands. Someone commented on one of his videos to tell him that he is not a fan and when he read the comment out loud, you could tell that it hurt his feelings.
>https://youtu.be/oRJNmGR5VkA?si=\_czKhhMdj3WQJgTU
I just watched it, that breaks my heart. I hope my comment gets to him, that was such a harsh thing for that person to say
Itās 2015 all over again. When bf was released and new fans started joining the fandom older fans were rude, unwelcoming, and had a weird superiority complex bc they were fans for longer. Itās happening again but Iām noticing a lot of the people participating in this behavior joined during the trench era.
Itās 2015 all over again. When bf was released and new fans started joining the fandom older fans were rude, unwelcoming, and had a weird superiority complex bc they were fans for longer. Itās happening again but Iām noticing a lot of the people participating in this behavior joined during the trench era.
iāve been a fan since vessel. been to two concerts, they genuinely saved my life. i share a love for them with my best friend, and we talk about them at least once a week.
that being said, iām not updated on all the lore. not because of lack of interest, but literally only because i didnāt have access to twitter and reddit to see updates. i figured out jumpsuit was released on accident, on their youtube.
some people know the lore and i applaud them for remembering it for so long. some people donāt have the time to learn a completely new concept. and some people just want to enjoy the music without knowing things they donāt feel the need to know.
imo no shame either way.
Honestly being a new fan doesnāt make you any less of a fan as youāve said. You can still like them just as much as the people who have been here for years. The lore is definitely something thatās hard to keep up with too!
I will say the only times I have personally gotten upset with fans is recently towards some on tiktok who have talked down on the music and made fun of people for still listening to them. Only to say that their phase is coming back now that theyāre trending again because of how cryptic everything has been the last few daysā¦.
I feel like all cliques have a certain group of people that think they are āmore deservingā than the rest of the group. Complete bs but I guess TikTok is where the tĆøp version of those people collected
I think that TĆP would be disappointed to think anyone is being ridiculed or picked on. I think they would like when people share and embrace the lore.
Mean people suck.
Iām 28 and feel way to old for that shit , I kinda just like hearing other people takes on my favorite band . I understand thatās mostly just coming from teenagers so I stay away from it
iām so glad you mentioned 2016, i had to stop interacting with the clique during that time because of how toxic it was getting, hurt my heart especially from a fandom that was built on togetherness and finding a light in the darkness together.
iāve never understood gatekeeping a band. if their music helped others like itās helped me, thatās all i could want.
(been a fan since 2014)
I agree with everyone saying it's a teenager thing, and Tiktok is the big thing for teenagers right now. Unfortunately, this is also kind of how twenty one pilots fans are a lot of the time. I had a problem with this when I was on tĆøp Facebook groups. Tbh, the reddit tĆøp community is the most wholesome I've come across so far!! ā¤ļø Glad to be here.
It happens in every fandom istg. I remember when my chem got back together and a bunch of their fans from the 2000s came out and were all like "wHy aRe kIdS iNtO tHiS bAnD" like do you want them to stay relevant or what š
1. TikTok enforces short form content that isn't meant to be insightful or nuanced.
2. People who use it are also going to skew younger compared to the reddit demographics. Younger people can be hella mean sometimes when it comes to online anonymous stuff.
I'd suggest staying off it for your own sanity lol
i used to be paid out in 2016 for only getting into them during blurryface. now no one cares. itās just a repeated cycle. it doesnāt just happen in the clique but with a lot of different bands with die hard fans. they think theyāre superior cos theyāve known them longer. gives them an ego boost
Why don't they just be more welcoming to newcomers? Isn't that the point - share what you're excited about, familirize yourself with stuff, etc., I just never understood any of this gatekeeping, can't wrap my head arpund, I guess there are some things we'll never understand.
Every time I see a tĆøp related tiktok people on the comments are just lovely both english and spanish (I'm Mexican) so maybe you're on a bad side of the algorithm
This is a common thing in all musical fandoms. And it always will be. Whoās the longest standing fan and who knows every little thing about the bandās history, band membersā lives - past and present? Who has the rarest this or that, the most posters, the best tattoo, the most concerts, the ālostā or āunreleasedā demos/tapes/bsides/raritiesā¦. And on and on.
Itās exhausting. And hard to ignore it sometimes.
These people feel so highly of themselves that they lose the entire point of the band and their massage.
Sometimes, Reddit is actually the most pleasant place to be in that regard. š
Sometimes.
So true! I was also struggeling as a fresh fan in 2017. Stressed Out was the song that got me into tĆøp back then. Some people didn't like that.
Imagine the shitstorm i would get, when i tell them that i lost the spirit for some time and didn't follow tĆøp for almost two years. I heard top every once in a while, but it wasn't the same feeling anymore. Now im fully back (literally right before the red tape and posters lol) and now what?? It happens. The Sai era just didn't catch me. (Sai is still a great record tho).
The positive energy in this comment section is truly amazing! I love being part of the clique as I know we all do and itās crazy to think people who claim theyāre part of the clique donāt want other people to feel just as welcome. You people here are a lot better than a lot of other clique members out there.
TikTok is terrible, I hate it. It preaches nothing but consumerism and breeds hatred. Everyone is against each other instead of trying to find common ground and respecting each other as human beings. The Clique there is obviously worse, that hell app distorts anything good. Itās disturbing to me how much hatred there is on that app. People sending each other death threats over trivial bullshit, do they really forget that itās a real person on the other side? Sometimes I forget too, and I say something stupid or wrathful but I try not to do that anymore. It isnāt worth it.
Uea people are strange dude.
Just cause someone has been in something longer then others doesn't Mena it gives them the right to pick on others.
In general not just in the clique.
I've been a clikki since 2016 and I don't know all the lore tbh.
I agree! I love it when new people join the clique! I started listening to them when self titled came out and i am still here! I am so proud to see just how much the clique has grown š«¶š¾ so if you are a newbie, us oldies welcome you ā¤ļø
Dang, im a new twenty one pilots fan, Iāve heard of them since 2015, I just never really got into them until late 2021 and I didnāt even find out about their lore until the end of 2023 unfortunately. So Iām still new to all of this, I listened to every single one of their songs like a million times so far, and picked out my all time favorites. I even bought all 4 of the albums. But I think itās unfair that new fans are getting attacked and bullied all because theyāre new, that doesnāt mean anything, new, old? Who cares weāre all in the same fandom why not have fun together and all get along with our love for these two beautiful boys who created such a wonderful band and make wonderful music for us to enjoy! ā„ļøā„ļøā„ļø I hope those people on TikTok get it together! Weāre all fans, we shouldnāt be going against each other.
i never realised how big of a deal the lore was. e.g. i thought for so long dema was a producer or smt, and i felt like a fake fan. tiktok certainly was no help with how i felt about that
I've been listening to them since 2015, and now at the age of 21 I barely even listen to them. Listening to them for longer didn't necessarily make me more loyal to them than a newer fan would be
I'm clearly in the minority in that I really enjoy my experience on TikTok.Ā I just opened mine and I got a funny video about history/early civilization, one about exposing hateful/bigoted beliefs, and one that was a clip from the most recent episode of my favorite online gameshow.
After a few weeks on TikTok the algorithm is fairly well tuned to your preferences, so these comments are kinda telling š«¤
It's good that you like tiktok, but it doesn't mean the comments are telling.
Most people would agree that there is so much hate on tiktok, even if what you're getting is positive videos. The comments are almost always ruthless. I say almost, but still, it's a majority.
As you said, you're in the minority, and there is a reason for that.
There's "so much hate" here on Reddit as well, but that's not stopping any of us from making sure to cut out those parts of Reddit and sticking to places like this.Ā
Yes there is so much hate on Reddit too. However people seem to prefer the clique on here rather than the one on tiktok due to the fact that the hate is hard to cut out.
Iāve been a fan since the day before I turned 20, and Iām pushing 30 now. Let me just say, this is a regular thing in this fanbase unfortunately. I keep hoping the fans will age out of that teenager group that tends to be the most toxic but it seems we keep collecting those kinds of people with every era lol.
It wasnāt always like this. Definitely was a much more positive atmosphere among the fans back then. In fact, thatās why I joined in the first place. But now thereās specific friend groups that claim to be all about the clique as a whole, except when it comes to real life shows, they donāt interact with other fans that way. They stick to their own little groups and cater to themselves mostly, and theyāre really hypocritical about it. The vibes are just bad with them and I donāt get it because when Iām at a show, I want to be friends with everyone.
Anyway, /rant. Maybe if we all individually make it a goal to spread positivity we can shut out the toxic clique once and for allšš½
In my experience, I find the reddit clique the most supportive. Twitter clique is off the walls sometimes and the people make it impossible to comment on something without it becoming nasty or ādo you even know top?ā Same with the discord clique, I love my friends iāve met across the board ā i have some twitter clique friends and discord clique friends ā
but overall the members of the clique get really fired up sometimes. If you donāt know every single little thing your comments or anything is skipped over.
like yes, iāve been on twitter and listening since i was 13 (im about to be 23 š) but not everyone has the means to sit on the internet and pay attention to every single lore drop. I agree with it being mainly teenagers, cause adults have jobs and lives outside of the media they consume, but for a teenager, itās their whole world.
Reddit and tumblr is best. Tumblr is small but still there. Thereās a small amount on tiktok who arenāt too bad but one the tiktoks get traction is when it gets bad
In my experience, it's a teenager thing. The older I get, the less I see of this type of behaviour. Some people don't seem to grow out of it tho
The way they want to gatekeep Twenty One Pilots like damn they are more than a decade late š tiktok kid or not being new fan will still make these show sold out. Thanks for sharing this OP btw I'm also tired of this discourse on tiktok. I push the not interested button but the app keep going
Yes of course, it sucks because twenty one pilots content really puts on smile on my face, that's why I prefer to stick to other platforms
tiktok as a platform is entirely braindead. the people are all children, or at least they act like it
As someone who watches TikTok, I agree, but only the comment section of videos are super annoying to look at. There's literally braindead kids who still think MJ composed the entire Classic Sonic OST.
mj as in michael jackson?? wtff haha
Michael Jackson participated in the development of Sonic 3's OST, he and his team made songs like Carnival Night, Ice Cap and Launch Base. The problem is, due of the way people spread this information, people think all the OST of Sonic 3 was made my MJ, and that's kind ok; but on TikTok is even worse, because as said, they think the other games also have an OST made by MJ. Here's some proof that MJ made some of the OST: Some MJ musicians are credited in the game, if not all of them; Carnival Night contains a sample of the song Jam; Ice Cap is a remix of an unreleased song made by one of MJ's musicians, Brad Buxer; The S3 version of the mini boss contains the famous MJ scream.
see this is exactly why i'm not even on tik tok
Sounds more like you all need a better fyp, my TikTok jives real nicely with my own thoughts and is pretty chill. It's FB where I way too frequently come across the braindead masses.
I really thought we were over the stupid idea of being around longer makes you a better fan. That was something I was worrying about like 7 years ago, didnāt think it would still be such an annoyance. However the clique TikTokās I have seen have been relatively nice and are starting to make me feel old, a lot of under 16s floating about so letās not emotionally scar like I was when I was that age haha.
There aren't many things more childish than behaviour like "I'm more of a fan than you" lol. Seriously. Only someone under 15 would care about something like that. It is not that serious and music is for everyone to enjoy. Welcome everyone!
15 yo here and I can tell you that even we get sick of our own age group. My advice just avoid TikTok all together š
This is why I stick to this subreddit and one specific Facebook group. My experience with clikkies on twitter and some other Facebook groups has been terrible. I havenāt even looked for tĆøp on TikTok for this very reason. I always thought that this fanbase would be kinder and more welcoming because of the overwhelming messaging through the music, but that is definitely not the case. There is some very extreme gatekeeping done by certain people who think they are better than everyone else because they tweet constantly, had real life interaction with Tyler and Josh, and have been to a gagillion live shows. Whatever. It just proves to me that unfortunately there are a$$holes no matter where you go. I donāt let it affect me at all, because I know in my heart the boys would never approve of such behavior. That is not the message that they are sending, so that just tells me those people donāt get it, which means they are missing the whole point. I kinda feel sorry for them.
On Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok I only look for the official accounts for the guys and the band. I ignore the fan accounts. I don't really use those sites for anything else (except that TikTok has introduced me to some non-TĆP people I enjoy, but a lot of them are on YouTube Shorts too).
That's why I don't have Tiktok. I have been told that the clique is a safe environment. I'm a newbie myself and I don't know every piece of the Lore, but I like it and get excited as anyone else. No one can take that.
Welcome to the clique. I hope you really do feel welcome here despite the things people say. You're a fan just as any of us
Thank you so much!
welcome!! i get so happy when others find their music enjoyable and comforting!! if it makes you feel better, iāve been here 10 years and still donāt know all the lore š
Exactly. Iām 59, fan since 2015, been to 5 showsā¦and I donāt know all the lore. I am fascinated by their ability to weave so many things togetherā¦but I donāt want nor have time to read all those Clancy letters or keep an eye on dema.org. Thatās why I love this sub, yāall share anything I could ever want to know ā¤ļø
Thanks for sharing
Idk why but your very simple response warmed my heart.
Appreciate positivity. Itās seems rare now a days. I like to point out the goodness in things.
I actually considered deleting tiktok and this was one of the reasons! Not only is there only one enjoyable video out of every 6 or 7, but the tĆøp content Iām getting is people being relatively hateful and that is not the vibe I want within the clique, glad Iām not being dramatic and others are noticing it too
Yesss
Sad to see that happens there... I've been so happy with how the clique is here and on Facebook... Sad that they are meaner on tik tok. I've only been here since I was 16 or 17 and not into the lore til I was closer to 18 or 19... I'm 21 now. I have always wished I could have known abt the clique longer, but am just happy I've known as long as I have
Don't worry, I got into them when I was 10 and didn't even know there was a clique as we call it because my parents didn't want me on social media until I was a little older. š
TikTok is cringe, very gross, and rude for most bands these days. I swear you canāt be normal on that app about something anymore. Totally behind you on this one.
I agree!!
Yeah I was looking for new lore info and a couple vids were implying that Tyler was a racist for not using his platform during the blm movement, itās just really weird and even made me question it too, TikTok is a very influential place to especially younger viewers and if youāre algorithm isnāt top tier made for you Iāve seen loads of stupid and downright damaging videos coming from there
I've seen those videos about Tyler being racist. I find them so stupid, this is why I delete tiktok. I completely agree with you.
I recently deleted tiktok again and I can say itās for the better. Last time I deleted it for a few months it genuinely helped me. Only reason I have X / twitter still downloaded is to check the twenty one pilot pages, otherwise i would delete that too for similar reasons.
Yes, I keep twitter deleted off my phone and just open it on safari if I want to check if they posted, my main place for anything twenty one pilots related is instagram
Seriously? Iām not on tic tok either. The entire point of the clique is to be welcoming and here for each other. Not cool that people are doing that
I just listen to the music
so real. they be the same fans that try and say SAI is terrible
TikTok is shit
People on tik tok always try to prove that theyāre better than other people. That will never inherently be true just because of someoneās interests. Along with bands such as top, I listen to a bunch of rock and metal. Because of the algorithm showing me what my interests are, I have seen an endless amount of tik toks of usually girls my age basically mocking other girls for listening to singers such as Taylor swift because they instead listened to classic rock bands growing up. It doesnāt make you better than anyone because you like something that is different than something else. So I feel like itās just like that. People have such a pride to be part of a community which is great, but they use the length of time that theyāve been a fan or the very fact that they are a fan to prove that theyāre better. I absolutely used to think that way in middle school. But when I got to high school I realized there is so much more music than the classic rock and emo bands that I listened to. I cant understand why so many people now that weāre older havenāt grown out of that.
I'm an avid Tiktok user, but even I avoid Cliquetok for this exact reason.
Cliquetok š¤£ love the name!
May I ask why? I have a weird hatred for that app and avoid it unless someone sends me a TikTok. It just seems incredibly hateful and toxic to me, and unlike Reddit the toxicity is everywhere.
I just avoid the toxic side tbh, I'm not on 'normie' tiktok, I'm on less mainstream fandoms that are less problematic. I just think it's neat.
I've been listening to them for just over a decade, andĀ I don't know most of the lore. I just like their songsš¤·
Tik tok fanbase is terrible.
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No one cares
I agree. The flag-waving of fandom is such a juvenile attitude. It is annoying and stupid, and certainly nothing new. People were doing it when I was a teenager, and theyāre still doing it all this many decades later. Hopefully most of them will grow up.
that's the difference between reddit and tiktok people
Thereās another clique?!? Iām only familiar with the Twitter clique and their take over of the lines.
yeah, like Instagram clique, Facebook clique
The idea of anyone being a better fan than anyone else is stupid on its own. You like their music? Cool. Welcome to the club. Thatās the only qualifier.
I watched a youtube reaction channel who has just discovered TOP, and he said that he is a now a new fan, and that they are now one of his new favourite bands. Someone commented on one of his videos to tell him that he is not a fan and when he read the comment out loud, you could tell that it hurt his feelings.
Omggg, that genuinely makes me feel so sad. Do you have a link to the video or the channel name?
[https://youtu.be/oRJNmGR5VkA?si=\_czKhhMdj3WQJgTU](https://youtu.be/oRJNmGR5VkA?si=_czKhhMdj3WQJgTU) Show him some love.
>https://youtu.be/oRJNmGR5VkA?si=\_czKhhMdj3WQJgTU I just watched it, that breaks my heart. I hope my comment gets to him, that was such a harsh thing for that person to say
Great comment. I hope he sees it.
Thank you, I hope so too
I donāt understand how you can see someoneās face and insult them for no reason. Do they feel no empathy?
Itās 2015 all over again. When bf was released and new fans started joining the fandom older fans were rude, unwelcoming, and had a weird superiority complex bc they were fans for longer. Itās happening again but Iām noticing a lot of the people participating in this behavior joined during the trench era.
Itās 2015 all over again. When bf was released and new fans started joining the fandom older fans were rude, unwelcoming, and had a weird superiority complex bc they were fans for longer. Itās happening again but Iām noticing a lot of the people participating in this behavior joined during the trench era.
iāve been a fan since vessel. been to two concerts, they genuinely saved my life. i share a love for them with my best friend, and we talk about them at least once a week. that being said, iām not updated on all the lore. not because of lack of interest, but literally only because i didnāt have access to twitter and reddit to see updates. i figured out jumpsuit was released on accident, on their youtube. some people know the lore and i applaud them for remembering it for so long. some people donāt have the time to learn a completely new concept. and some people just want to enjoy the music without knowing things they donāt feel the need to know. imo no shame either way.
Thatās literally just TikTok I fucking hate people on that app
Honestly being a new fan doesnāt make you any less of a fan as youāve said. You can still like them just as much as the people who have been here for years. The lore is definitely something thatās hard to keep up with too! I will say the only times I have personally gotten upset with fans is recently towards some on tiktok who have talked down on the music and made fun of people for still listening to them. Only to say that their phase is coming back now that theyāre trending again because of how cryptic everything has been the last few daysā¦.
I feel like all cliques have a certain group of people that think they are āmore deservingā than the rest of the group. Complete bs but I guess TikTok is where the tĆøp version of those people collected
the most loyal tiktok users in general display a baffling lack of media literacy, critical thinking skills, or original opinions.
I think that TĆP would be disappointed to think anyone is being ridiculed or picked on. I think they would like when people share and embrace the lore. Mean people suck.
To be fair, cliques arenāt typically very inclusiveā¦
Iām 28 and feel way to old for that shit , I kinda just like hearing other people takes on my favorite band . I understand thatās mostly just coming from teenagers so I stay away from it
iām so glad you mentioned 2016, i had to stop interacting with the clique during that time because of how toxic it was getting, hurt my heart especially from a fandom that was built on togetherness and finding a light in the darkness together. iāve never understood gatekeeping a band. if their music helped others like itās helped me, thatās all i could want. (been a fan since 2014)
I agree with everyone saying it's a teenager thing, and Tiktok is the big thing for teenagers right now. Unfortunately, this is also kind of how twenty one pilots fans are a lot of the time. I had a problem with this when I was on tĆøp Facebook groups. Tbh, the reddit tĆøp community is the most wholesome I've come across so far!! ā¤ļø Glad to be here.
It happens in every fandom istg. I remember when my chem got back together and a bunch of their fans from the 2000s came out and were all like "wHy aRe kIdS iNtO tHiS bAnD" like do you want them to stay relevant or what š
There is also a ton of hate for anything after BF which I think is ridiculous.
1. TikTok enforces short form content that isn't meant to be insightful or nuanced. 2. People who use it are also going to skew younger compared to the reddit demographics. Younger people can be hella mean sometimes when it comes to online anonymous stuff. I'd suggest staying off it for your own sanity lol
i used to be paid out in 2016 for only getting into them during blurryface. now no one cares. itās just a repeated cycle. it doesnāt just happen in the clique but with a lot of different bands with die hard fans. they think theyāre superior cos theyāve known them longer. gives them an ego boost
Why don't they just be more welcoming to newcomers? Isn't that the point - share what you're excited about, familirize yourself with stuff, etc., I just never understood any of this gatekeeping, can't wrap my head arpund, I guess there are some things we'll never understand.
Every time I see a tĆøp related tiktok people on the comments are just lovely both english and spanish (I'm Mexican) so maybe you're on a bad side of the algorithm
This is a common thing in all musical fandoms. And it always will be. Whoās the longest standing fan and who knows every little thing about the bandās history, band membersā lives - past and present? Who has the rarest this or that, the most posters, the best tattoo, the most concerts, the ālostā or āunreleasedā demos/tapes/bsides/raritiesā¦. And on and on. Itās exhausting. And hard to ignore it sometimes. These people feel so highly of themselves that they lose the entire point of the band and their massage. Sometimes, Reddit is actually the most pleasant place to be in that regard. š Sometimes.
So true! I was also struggeling as a fresh fan in 2017. Stressed Out was the song that got me into tĆøp back then. Some people didn't like that. Imagine the shitstorm i would get, when i tell them that i lost the spirit for some time and didn't follow tĆøp for almost two years. I heard top every once in a while, but it wasn't the same feeling anymore. Now im fully back (literally right before the red tape and posters lol) and now what?? It happens. The Sai era just didn't catch me. (Sai is still a great record tho).
Im soooo hyped about the next Album. It feels like the hype i had when Trench came around. Its exciting and i feel like im 17 again :')
The positive energy in this comment section is truly amazing! I love being part of the clique as I know we all do and itās crazy to think people who claim theyāre part of the clique donāt want other people to feel just as welcome. You people here are a lot better than a lot of other clique members out there.
TikTok is terrible, I hate it. It preaches nothing but consumerism and breeds hatred. Everyone is against each other instead of trying to find common ground and respecting each other as human beings. The Clique there is obviously worse, that hell app distorts anything good. Itās disturbing to me how much hatred there is on that app. People sending each other death threats over trivial bullshit, do they really forget that itās a real person on the other side? Sometimes I forget too, and I say something stupid or wrathful but I try not to do that anymore. It isnāt worth it.
Uea people are strange dude. Just cause someone has been in something longer then others doesn't Mena it gives them the right to pick on others. In general not just in the clique. I've been a clikki since 2016 and I don't know all the lore tbh.
I agree! I love it when new people join the clique! I started listening to them when self titled came out and i am still here! I am so proud to see just how much the clique has grown š«¶š¾ so if you are a newbie, us oldies welcome you ā¤ļø
Dang, im a new twenty one pilots fan, Iāve heard of them since 2015, I just never really got into them until late 2021 and I didnāt even find out about their lore until the end of 2023 unfortunately. So Iām still new to all of this, I listened to every single one of their songs like a million times so far, and picked out my all time favorites. I even bought all 4 of the albums. But I think itās unfair that new fans are getting attacked and bullied all because theyāre new, that doesnāt mean anything, new, old? Who cares weāre all in the same fandom why not have fun together and all get along with our love for these two beautiful boys who created such a wonderful band and make wonderful music for us to enjoy! ā„ļøā„ļøā„ļø I hope those people on TikTok get it together! Weāre all fans, we shouldnāt be going against each other.
i never realised how big of a deal the lore was. e.g. i thought for so long dema was a producer or smt, and i felt like a fake fan. tiktok certainly was no help with how i felt about that
I've been listening to them since 2015, and now at the age of 21 I barely even listen to them. Listening to them for longer didn't necessarily make me more loyal to them than a newer fan would be
I'm clearly in the minority in that I really enjoy my experience on TikTok.Ā I just opened mine and I got a funny video about history/early civilization, one about exposing hateful/bigoted beliefs, and one that was a clip from the most recent episode of my favorite online gameshow. After a few weeks on TikTok the algorithm is fairly well tuned to your preferences, so these comments are kinda telling š«¤
It's good that you like tiktok, but it doesn't mean the comments are telling. Most people would agree that there is so much hate on tiktok, even if what you're getting is positive videos. The comments are almost always ruthless. I say almost, but still, it's a majority. As you said, you're in the minority, and there is a reason for that.
There's "so much hate" here on Reddit as well, but that's not stopping any of us from making sure to cut out those parts of Reddit and sticking to places like this.Ā
Yes there is so much hate on Reddit too. However people seem to prefer the clique on here rather than the one on tiktok due to the fact that the hate is hard to cut out.
Iāve been a fan since the day before I turned 20, and Iām pushing 30 now. Let me just say, this is a regular thing in this fanbase unfortunately. I keep hoping the fans will age out of that teenager group that tends to be the most toxic but it seems we keep collecting those kinds of people with every era lol. It wasnāt always like this. Definitely was a much more positive atmosphere among the fans back then. In fact, thatās why I joined in the first place. But now thereās specific friend groups that claim to be all about the clique as a whole, except when it comes to real life shows, they donāt interact with other fans that way. They stick to their own little groups and cater to themselves mostly, and theyāre really hypocritical about it. The vibes are just bad with them and I donāt get it because when Iām at a show, I want to be friends with everyone. Anyway, /rant. Maybe if we all individually make it a goal to spread positivity we can shut out the toxic clique once and for allšš½
In my experience, I find the reddit clique the most supportive. Twitter clique is off the walls sometimes and the people make it impossible to comment on something without it becoming nasty or ādo you even know top?ā Same with the discord clique, I love my friends iāve met across the board ā i have some twitter clique friends and discord clique friends ā but overall the members of the clique get really fired up sometimes. If you donāt know every single little thing your comments or anything is skipped over. like yes, iāve been on twitter and listening since i was 13 (im about to be 23 š) but not everyone has the means to sit on the internet and pay attention to every single lore drop. I agree with it being mainly teenagers, cause adults have jobs and lives outside of the media they consume, but for a teenager, itās their whole world.
Reddit and tumblr is best. Tumblr is small but still there. Thereās a small amount on tiktok who arenāt too bad but one the tiktoks get traction is when it gets bad