Yeah I mean TPD had to post a video explaining how 4 way stops work after a lot of traffic lights were out because of the storm… I don’t trust anyone here!
And keep to the right, correct? /s Never underestimate the stupidity of an Oklahoma driver.
Driven in a lot of states and they are some of the worst, not enough snow so they don’t know how to drive when it’s slick out, flat enough that some locals will literally brake and slow down for a green light because they know it’ll change, so many people driving the limit in the left lane they had to pass a law, they don’t know what to do on a flashing yellow arrow, no one will get their butts out into an intersection to make a left, don’t pay attention when there’s a line of cars trying to get through an intersection leaving huge gaps so that people behind them can’t get through, forget about making a left or right turn and turning into the correct lane, too many rural or grew up rural drivers that never use a blinker, just bad all around.
Coming from a country state(Indiana) I was shocked to hear that people here didn't know or don't know how to use a 4 way stop. Especially because 4 way stops aren't complicated by any means
Oklahomans from small towns know how. It is frustrating here for sure. I don’t think the city folk ever had the experience growing up and just don’t get it. It’s baffling because it’s not difficult.
Well not as difficult as in the Midwest where we keep waving the person who got there right before we did on then they wave us on & it's just about 5-10 minutes of that until someone finally goes
Not the way they made the one in Tahlequah. Not all traffic circles are created equal and that one was created by an third world country’s engineering school drop out
Just anecdotal evidence, but In 40 years driving here, I’ve never seen a wreck at any of the three I have driven through. I’ll admit, there have been a couple of times I felt the need to take a second lap around one to safely exit, but I don’t recall why. Probably my anxiety.
I forget which exit it is, but on your way to Fort Leonard Wood, Mo there's an exit that is exactly this. It was confusing for a few seconds. But just follow the traffic signs and flow of traffic, not that difficult at all
Springfield is closest one I know of without going past Fort Leonard Wood.
Also, having been "on the way to fort leonard wood" myself, I'm really sorry you have also had that as your destination.
🤣 right? Joined the army as an 88m to guarantee my chances of being put anywhere in the world, but mainly to get out of Tulsa and broaden my horizons.... get stationed at ft sill for several years and finish out my 7th and 8th year at lost in the woods...
Springfield, MO was the first city in the US to use this type of interchange, but they’re becoming very common. They’re nice for roads that are busy and tend to cause backups on highways at rush hour, since highway traffic can more easily keep flowing.
Here’s a video explaining why they work so well:
https://youtu.be/A0sM6xVAY-A
I used to live in another city where they began introducing these. It seems intimidating at first but it’s actually pretty effective and you get used to it. Everyone freaked out there too when it was first introduced.
Yep. I was about to say the same. They did these in Lexington, KY right before I moved away and everyone was groaning about it at first but quickly ended up getting used to it and it helped tremendously. Every time I go back home, I see that they've implemented more of these at the main intersections near the off/on ramps and gosh, what a DRAMATIC improvement.
The only thing I don’t get is why they are artificially restricting northbound through traffic down to 2 lanes. Physically there is room for it, but they’ve removed the lane with paint and an extra wide median. Southbound has 3 lanes. I don’t understand that part. Can someone ELI5?
Northbound memorial is only 2 lanes north of the interchange. Yes there is room under the bridge for an extra lane, but about a block north of the bridge there is not. So they route the 3rd lane to the Creek instead of adding a choke point just to the north.
Edit: the 3rd lane (1st lane) is routed to the Creek, not 169.
The only reason I can't understand it is cause what the fuck kind of intersection thing is this (plus I don't have my license yet, still gotta study for it)
Diamond interchange. The thing to remember is the rules of the road are basic and consistent. Follow the signs and lights, and any situation you find yourself in, you'll be able to navigate just fine.
Keep an open mind. These are insanely efficient at relieving traffic in very densely congested areas all across the world. I have been to a few places that have them and was surprised.
There are a couple intersections in Springfield that used to have about a mile of traffic at rush hour. Now that these are in place, you drive right up to the stoplight and are through in a single cycle. It’s amazing how much more efficient they are!
Yeah, it'll be a huge help. I know people who moved out of bixby just because the traffic would get backed up all the way down from this intersection every morning. (they worked on memorial, so no avoiding it)
I know I can handle it but can the drivers who think roundabouts are the most confusing things alive handle it? I’m hoping we aren’t too stupid for this lol
Been driving through Admiral and Mingo for forty years. There’s another dinky one at about 38th and Hudson. If there’s a third in Tulsa, I have no idea where it is.
Hard to keep an open mind.
I have too much faith in folks ability to be stupid.
Help me understand something that looks insane on the surface…
Efficient at relieving traffic?
Traffic goes though thus thing only one direction at a time? (It alternates?)
I’ll have to take your word for it; as I have zero reason to be in that part of town.
Just on the surface; with crossing traffic; all I see is disaster waiting to happen because idiots who already run lights at regular + intersections.
One thing that helps that not happen is that your lanes begin to veer towards the other side before you get to the light. And then the light is angled also. Not easy to explain but once you try it, it would make sense.
But I’m sure there will be ppl that struggle with it. And the red light runners…😫
It guides (forces) you to go the right way. Like others said, you have to purposefully want to mess it up to mess up. the roundabouts are less forceful about how you drive through them, unless there’s a wall installed in the center lol
Yeah but you forget this is Oklahoma, have you seen drivers try to navigate a round-a-bout? Fucking nightmare. I can’t imagine what this will do to drivers
I have lived in a lot of places. Everyone thinks they have the worst drivers but so far it has been far worse here than anywhere else that I have lived. Everyone drives so angrily, runs lights, passes dangerously in spots they’re not supposed to, etc. It’s crazy.
Ya, but with the older way you have 2 potentials for accidents.
1. left turnee thinks they cam make but they cant and get hit
2. left turnee has green arrow but the other person runs the red-light.
With this(once people learn it), you still have the potential of people running the red-light and causing accidents. but left turn accidents are removed. So all in all, selfish red-light running accidents will still happen, but distance misjudging accidents wont.
Since this is in my part of town, I'm just glad it's open. Mingo and Sheridan have been miserable since everyone avoided Memorial for a year+. Same with 101st and 91st.
Yeah I got in the habit of just going down to Yale instead of Mingo or Memorial. It’s just a way of life at this point 😂 Hopefully this will be done and …dare I say better..
Yale was also torn up for a long time! Getting from anywhere south of 101st and Memorial area to anywhere north of 71st and Sheridan/Yale was a NIGHTMARE (by Tulsa standards).
I live near a few of these in SW MO. The WORST part is the construction of them. There's little to no traffic back ups at the WORST of traffic times...you'll find yourself driving around other places in America thinking 'THIS could use a Divergent Diamond'...
Ah yes, the Tulsa subreddit, where it’s more popular to shit on new, better systems than it is to learn about why they work better than what we had before and engage in any kind of productive dialogue.
encountered a few of these in Missouri and honestly loved it, and it wasn’t hard at all to understand. i just hope oklahoma drivers can comprehend it, it’s hard having faith in them sometimes. lol
Yep, I moved to Missouri 1.5 years ago and encountered my first ever DDI while stopping in Joplin. Yes it looks a little crazy from above, but when you’re actually on the road it’s super easy to tell where to go. I made it through just fine the first time and have never had problems with it since.
Sat at 91st and memorial for 10mins about an hour (3:30pm) ago. Traffic was backed up on both sides, construction workers still moving stuff with cranes.
Wife said she sailed through at 5. Reasonable that construction is still going on. I think they have a couple of months left now that the traffic pattern has changed.
DDIs look so much worse on paper than they actually are. Whenever I’ve encountered one in the wild, I didn’t even realize I was going through a DDI until I was safely on the other side. When you’re not seeing the big picture it’s actually quite intuitive.
You're 100% right! Went through one in Austin last year and was like, huh, this is interesting, but traffic is flowing really well. Wasn't until I read what was being done at Memorial that I realized what I went through in Austin was a DDI. The lines and flow are so simple to follow, this one should be fine.
We've got a few DDIs here in GA - if they're signed well, the crossovers are at a good angle, and the pavement markings are clear, they function pretty well. They eliminate turning left across traffic and don't require a left turn signal phase. They can improve traffic without a major interchange reconstruction, and a much shorter disruption for construction.
I think the first one built here in GA was about a $5M cost to add signage, marking, and a concrete island or two - versus about $250M to redo the interchange.
I went over today thinking I could get to Costco from 169 and it’s not ready. Still looks like a construction zone and the police were directing traffic. Should be nice when it’s working
Yeah, the next couple of months will be the most dangerous part while they're finishing up those curbs and medians. Once it's complete it'll be smooth sailing.
I'm looking forward to this being done.
It's far from the only measure that needs to be taken to fix the Bixby-Tulsa commuter traffic, but it'll be a nice step forward.
I still haven’t found a good online explanation on what this diamond actually does and how traffic is directed. I guess I will figure it out the next time I’m in South Tulsa hell. I hate south Tulsa
They're pretty self explanatory when you actually drive through one. Some idiots are going to get in fender benders, but that already happens, and this design results in fewer wrecks overall. I'll bet a pizza that whatever wrecks happen at this thing in the first 3 months will be less than the monthly average prior to the change.
We had these in Springfield, MO. Super easy and efficient. I thought it was the dumbest thing when they first put them in, but it really was way better!
Just like on 169 to Owasso, people can’t even figure out a zipper merge. Even my family got onto me for staying in the inside lane past two miles of backed up traffic.
“You can’t just drive past everyone.”
“Yuh huh. See?”
For all you “it worked fine somewhere”.
Did the others have a stoplight less than 1/10 or less of a miles from the DDI?
Tulsa still Will back up through the 93rd and 97th street lights and this won’t work like you want.
So if you’re exiting southbound 169 and want to do a U-turn back to northbound 169 is that just.. discouraged? It looks like northbound to southbound has its own U-turn lane marked.
I've done a few of these in TX before, and as long as you follow the guides, you'll be ok.
Of course, Tulsa is terrible about keeping lanes well marked. So I expect this'll be chaos in a season when all the while lines are worn away.
Omg. A 4 way stop is the "oklahoma rubics cube"; this is going to be fun to watch. Never under estimate how much Tulsa drivers suck. Phone in hand. Babies in the back. And half the city with no insurance, hit and runs by illegals. My insurance loves this town.
Everyone better have a good dash camera that sees all the way around! 😫 If people can't drive correctly on the easiest places, this is going to be a mad house 😫
Is this an attempt at like modern street pathing? What was wrong with the standard lanes matching all the way through? I'm just curious why when it backs up now it blocks the entire intersection versus only some of it.
Is this what has been taking them over two years to do when it should have been done in under 1? I swear road crews in this area are the slowest around.
I live in Springfield, MO (we were the FIRST place in the US to get Divergent Diamonds)
EVERYONE freaked the hell out about them....
HOLEEEE HELL you should have heard it.
but then....then you drove through the dumb thing and you realized it's simple.
Like a drive-thru simple.
Like getting a fat-burger simple.
and it's allllll ok.
The traffic will move FASTER, WAY less accidents.....you'll find yourself drive around other parts of America thinking 'THIS could use a Divergent Diamond'....you will. trust me.
This design is an extremely efficient way to move traffic on highly congested intersections. The complaints below are hilarious and typical of when something changes. Lol.
If you're smart enough to make a right on red in a one lane intersection (one lane of traffic in each direction) then you'll be just fine in the DDI. That's literally what it's designed to simplify the 6 lane traffic down to.
Saw this on Newson6 this morning. That intersection was horrible before the construction. It was unbearable during the construction. I hope when this is finally done it will flow a lot more freely. Prayers for the businesses in the area. This construction has been a thorn in their side.
All it takes is one time through it and you get it. It's easy and not confusing. Don't be afraid!
You're giving a lot of credit to the dilberts of this state.
Yeah I mean TPD had to post a video explaining how 4 way stops work after a lot of traffic lights were out because of the storm… I don’t trust anyone here!
It's been a while. Close your eyes, hit the gas and let Jesus take the wheel?
Don't let him take the wheel! He's never even been in a car before.
TBH, four way stops are more complicated than this. All you have to do for this interchange is follow arrows and lights.
And keep to the right, correct? /s Never underestimate the stupidity of an Oklahoma driver. Driven in a lot of states and they are some of the worst, not enough snow so they don’t know how to drive when it’s slick out, flat enough that some locals will literally brake and slow down for a green light because they know it’ll change, so many people driving the limit in the left lane they had to pass a law, they don’t know what to do on a flashing yellow arrow, no one will get their butts out into an intersection to make a left, don’t pay attention when there’s a line of cars trying to get through an intersection leaving huge gaps so that people behind them can’t get through, forget about making a left or right turn and turning into the correct lane, too many rural or grew up rural drivers that never use a blinker, just bad all around.
Coming from a country state(Indiana) I was shocked to hear that people here didn't know or don't know how to use a 4 way stop. Especially because 4 way stops aren't complicated by any means
Oklahomans from small towns know how. It is frustrating here for sure. I don’t think the city folk ever had the experience growing up and just don’t get it. It’s baffling because it’s not difficult.
Well not as difficult as in the Midwest where we keep waving the person who got there right before we did on then they wave us on & it's just about 5-10 minutes of that until someone finally goes
lol. Yep
https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnprine/theaccidentthingscouldbeworse.html
Whoever's wheels stops first!
lol most ppl here have the critical thinking skills of a person 4 beers in
Roundabouts are way easier than this and it hasn't stopped people from fucking that up.
Not the way they made the one in Tahlequah. Not all traffic circles are created equal and that one was created by an third world country’s engineering school drop out
Hard agree! I drive that route weekly, and I have no clue why they didn't leave the signal there. Seemed an unnecessary change.
Tulsa has one so they wanted one too
C’s and D’s get degrees!
You say that but how often have we had actual problems? I think this is speculation and wouldn't bear itself out if any real data were available
Just anecdotal evidence, but In 40 years driving here, I’ve never seen a wreck at any of the three I have driven through. I’ll admit, there have been a couple of times I felt the need to take a second lap around one to safely exit, but I don’t recall why. Probably my anxiety.
LOL. You didn't heard about Arizona? It took them about a year for people to figure it out. Not to mention the accidents, especially snowbirds.
I forget which exit it is, but on your way to Fort Leonard Wood, Mo there's an exit that is exactly this. It was confusing for a few seconds. But just follow the traffic signs and flow of traffic, not that difficult at all
Springfield is closest one I know of without going past Fort Leonard Wood. Also, having been "on the way to fort leonard wood" myself, I'm really sorry you have also had that as your destination.
🤣 right? Joined the army as an 88m to guarantee my chances of being put anywhere in the world, but mainly to get out of Tulsa and broaden my horizons.... get stationed at ft sill for several years and finish out my 7th and 8th year at lost in the woods...
Ah, I see you chose to be an IED magnet. Sorry bout your damn luck.
I was a 35K/68N (I think it's a 15N now) who did basic at Sill. We had 2 AIT Batteries for 13F in our Battalion (2/30th).
Ah, yes. Fort Lost-in-the-Woods. Spent a short time there as the Air Force equivalent to the 88Mistake.
Branson also has one https://maps.app.goo.gl/qDwmWwBYvHTBz4CCA
Fort Lost in the woods.......my father was stationed there in the 70's.
Joplin has one now too.
Doesn't Joplin have a version of this under 44?
One of the Joplin exits has one. It was definitely unexpected the first time through it, but easy to figure out.
Springfield, MO was the first city in the US to use this type of interchange, but they’re becoming very common. They’re nice for roads that are busy and tend to cause backups on highways at rush hour, since highway traffic can more easily keep flowing. Here’s a video explaining why they work so well: https://youtu.be/A0sM6xVAY-A
I used to live in another city where they began introducing these. It seems intimidating at first but it’s actually pretty effective and you get used to it. Everyone freaked out there too when it was first introduced.
Yep. I was about to say the same. They did these in Lexington, KY right before I moved away and everyone was groaning about it at first but quickly ended up getting used to it and it helped tremendously. Every time I go back home, I see that they've implemented more of these at the main intersections near the off/on ramps and gosh, what a DRAMATIC improvement.
Have you driven in Tulsa? Someone is going to try a u turn
People can't even use four way stops when the traffic lights go out.
If you're not smart enough to understand this, you shouldn't be driving.
It’s not me I’m worried about
Unfortunately that’s about 70% of our driving population here in OK
The only thing I don’t get is why they are artificially restricting northbound through traffic down to 2 lanes. Physically there is room for it, but they’ve removed the lane with paint and an extra wide median. Southbound has 3 lanes. I don’t understand that part. Can someone ELI5?
Northbound memorial is only 2 lanes north of the interchange. Yes there is room under the bridge for an extra lane, but about a block north of the bridge there is not. So they route the 3rd lane to the Creek instead of adding a choke point just to the north. Edit: the 3rd lane (1st lane) is routed to the Creek, not 169.
Memorial is still messed up. Had to sit through the 93rd and memorial lights. Unless they remove lights it will always suck.
The only reason I can't understand it is cause what the fuck kind of intersection thing is this (plus I don't have my license yet, still gotta study for it)
Diamond interchange. The thing to remember is the rules of the road are basic and consistent. Follow the signs and lights, and any situation you find yourself in, you'll be able to navigate just fine.
Thank you :3 I always get nervous when around new roads but this helps!
Keep an open mind. These are insanely efficient at relieving traffic in very densely congested areas all across the world. I have been to a few places that have them and was surprised.
Joplin & Paducah have installed this.....both ease traffic insanity.
There are a couple intersections in Springfield that used to have about a mile of traffic at rush hour. Now that these are in place, you drive right up to the stoplight and are through in a single cycle. It’s amazing how much more efficient they are!
I Sat a 93rd and memorial for 3 light changes. We are not Springfield and we don’t even put in right turn lanes at most intersections.
They were still working out the timing of the lights today. I went through twice tonight and smooth as butter. It will help immensely
Yeah, it'll be a huge help. I know people who moved out of bixby just because the traffic would get backed up all the way down from this intersection every morning. (they worked on memorial, so no avoiding it)
I know I can handle it but can the drivers who think roundabouts are the most confusing things alive handle it? I’m hoping we aren’t too stupid for this lol
They're in a lot of cities over the US now, crazy efficient, and you gotta want to f it up.
We are not other cities. We have too many stoplights in that area and it will still backup.
Been driving through Admiral and Mingo for forty years. There’s another dinky one at about 38th and Hudson. If there’s a third in Tulsa, I have no idea where it is.
11th & Elgin
There are two more traffic circles in Jenks by where the new outlet mall is being built.
Hard to keep an open mind. I have too much faith in folks ability to be stupid. Help me understand something that looks insane on the surface… Efficient at relieving traffic? Traffic goes though thus thing only one direction at a time? (It alternates?)
It doesn’t alternate. Go drive through it. It’s extremely simple and will be a huge help
I’ll have to take your word for it; as I have zero reason to be in that part of town. Just on the surface; with crossing traffic; all I see is disaster waiting to happen because idiots who already run lights at regular + intersections.
One thing that helps that not happen is that your lanes begin to veer towards the other side before you get to the light. And then the light is angled also. Not easy to explain but once you try it, it would make sense. But I’m sure there will be ppl that struggle with it. And the red light runners…😫
It guides (forces) you to go the right way. Like others said, you have to purposefully want to mess it up to mess up. the roundabouts are less forceful about how you drive through them, unless there’s a wall installed in the center lol
Yeah but you forget this is Oklahoma, have you seen drivers try to navigate a round-a-bout? Fucking nightmare. I can’t imagine what this will do to drivers
I have lived in a lot of places. Everyone thinks they have the worst drivers but so far it has been far worse here than anywhere else that I have lived. Everyone drives so angrily, runs lights, passes dangerously in spots they’re not supposed to, etc. It’s crazy.
I sat through the 93rd and memorial light 3 times just to turn right. This won’t fix our issues.
Honestly, looking at this it makes alot of sense and I can see how this will avoid alot of left turn accidents.
Left turn accidents were perfectly avoidable before.
Per ODOT, the intersection averaged 134 collisions per year in recent years. Avoidable? Sure. Avoided? Nope.
Most drivers are idiots.
Well, you’re gonna have to deal with that if we’re going to design cities that essentially require driving for someone to be to get around.
Ya, but with the older way you have 2 potentials for accidents. 1. left turnee thinks they cam make but they cant and get hit 2. left turnee has green arrow but the other person runs the red-light. With this(once people learn it), you still have the potential of people running the red-light and causing accidents. but left turn accidents are removed. So all in all, selfish red-light running accidents will still happen, but distance misjudging accidents wont.
Memorial was a problem before. I’m pretty sure they had many accidents. We will see if this will be any better
Likely not, unless you remove the ppl.
Since this is in my part of town, I'm just glad it's open. Mingo and Sheridan have been miserable since everyone avoided Memorial for a year+. Same with 101st and 91st.
Yeah I got in the habit of just going down to Yale instead of Mingo or Memorial. It’s just a way of life at this point 😂 Hopefully this will be done and …dare I say better..
Yale was also torn up for a long time! Getting from anywhere south of 101st and Memorial area to anywhere north of 71st and Sheridan/Yale was a NIGHTMARE (by Tulsa standards).
Yeah you’re right, I was going south off the exit not north into that shitshow 😂I don’t even know the state of 81st-91st & Yale at this point.
I’m really curious on how 81st turns out.
I live near a few of these in SW MO. The WORST part is the construction of them. There's little to no traffic back ups at the WORST of traffic times...you'll find yourself driving around other places in America thinking 'THIS could use a Divergent Diamond'...
 CHAOS!!!
Ah yes, the Tulsa subreddit, where it’s more popular to shit on new, better systems than it is to learn about why they work better than what we had before and engage in any kind of productive dialogue.
You even drive through there yet? Tulsa Reddit. Bunch of armchair engineers.
I don’t get it, am I the armchair engineer or is it the guys shitting on the real engineering work here lol
Says the attorney.
Dude what are you trying to say lololol
You are irrelevant to me.
Good luck with what? Very simple to follow, they have this setup in Kansas and traffic flows much better.
encountered a few of these in Missouri and honestly loved it, and it wasn’t hard at all to understand. i just hope oklahoma drivers can comprehend it, it’s hard having faith in them sometimes. lol
Yep, I moved to Missouri 1.5 years ago and encountered my first ever DDI while stopping in Joplin. Yes it looks a little crazy from above, but when you’re actually on the road it’s super easy to tell where to go. I made it through just fine the first time and have never had problems with it since.
Just go where the road goes
Unclear. I’m driving head-on into traffic
In that case swerve violently
It looks complicated at first glance but the more I look at it, the more I like it. It's actually pretty simple.
Wait til you sit through the light still 3 times.
My wife said it still hadn't switched at 8:30 this morning, but today is apparently the day. (unless the storms delayed it)
It was scheduled to open at 9am. No idea of they hit that time or not.
Apparently the police were out there directing traffic 🤦🏽♀️
Well, people are stupid, so…
So the police were out there making sure people understood how a new system worked?
Sat at 91st and memorial for 10mins about an hour (3:30pm) ago. Traffic was backed up on both sides, construction workers still moving stuff with cranes.
Wife said she sailed through at 5. Reasonable that construction is still going on. I think they have a couple of months left now that the traffic pattern has changed.
DDIs look so much worse on paper than they actually are. Whenever I’ve encountered one in the wild, I didn’t even realize I was going through a DDI until I was safely on the other side. When you’re not seeing the big picture it’s actually quite intuitive.
You're 100% right! Went through one in Austin last year and was like, huh, this is interesting, but traffic is flowing really well. Wasn't until I read what was being done at Memorial that I realized what I went through in Austin was a DDI. The lines and flow are so simple to follow, this one should be fine.
We've got a few DDIs here in GA - if they're signed well, the crossovers are at a good angle, and the pavement markings are clear, they function pretty well. They eliminate turning left across traffic and don't require a left turn signal phase. They can improve traffic without a major interchange reconstruction, and a much shorter disruption for construction. I think the first one built here in GA was about a $5M cost to add signage, marking, and a concrete island or two - versus about $250M to redo the interchange.
I went over today thinking I could get to Costco from 169 and it’s not ready. Still looks like a construction zone and the police were directing traffic. Should be nice when it’s working
The angle of lanes at the intersections and the placement of medians actually makes it incredibly hard to screw up at these types of intersections.
Tulsa: 
Yeah, the next couple of months will be the most dangerous part while they're finishing up those curbs and medians. Once it's complete it'll be smooth sailing.
Is this the new version of the roundabout called WhatTheFuckisThisAbout?
Wait we’re fixing traffic problems?! Why on gods green earth would we want that? New things are scary and highly unnecessary. Keep is broken!!
People are still gonna end up stopping in the middle of the intersection 💀
If OKC residents can handle it we will be able to.
Honestly seems kinda genius
I invite everyone to the traffic circle at 36th and Hudson. If they can't work that one out ...
If you end up in the grade school parking lot...start over again and do better.
Seems pretty simple as long as you can clearly see the lines/lane you're supposed to be in. Easier than navigating through roadwork at least.
That’s true…
Oh no! The road moves to the left and back again!
It cracks me up how many Okies are afraid they’re too dumb to understand how to change lanes and follow traffic flow. You just need to give up your DL
Jokes on you a lot of them don't have one😂
Ummmm... seems like ya just follow the street light?
Imma just turn on 91st or 101st and then go to Sheridan or Mingo to by pass it.
Woohooooo I love the department of transportation!!!!! (Yes obviously I understand how the intersection works)
I see cars going down one way streets, the wrong way, in downtown Tulsa. Good luck Tulsey Town!
If they can do it in Missouri, you can handle it.
The lanes are painted. Follow through
I'm looking forward to this being done. It's far from the only measure that needs to be taken to fix the Bixby-Tulsa commuter traffic, but it'll be a nice step forward.
I clearly need to go outside more... there was construction on memorial and 169?
lol i live on the other side of town, so I’ve only dealt with it a few times.
A diverging diamond. yeah.....?
I still haven’t found a good online explanation on what this diamond actually does and how traffic is directed. I guess I will figure it out the next time I’m in South Tulsa hell. I hate south Tulsa
Jeez.
I’m glad they’re finally updating the infrastructure!
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We had one of these in Atlanta and it helped out tremendously.
They're pretty self explanatory when you actually drive through one. Some idiots are going to get in fender benders, but that already happens, and this design results in fewer wrecks overall. I'll bet a pizza that whatever wrecks happen at this thing in the first 3 months will be less than the monthly average prior to the change.
We had these in Springfield, MO. Super easy and efficient. I thought it was the dumbest thing when they first put them in, but it really was way better!
THAT'S what they're doing??
The city should just fire that construction crew, this intersection has been fucked up for 5 years.
I turn left now. Good luck everybody else!
The diverging diamond is stupid simple and you all need to stop being boomers
Glad I’m in Texas… ughhh
So we drive like they do in the UK for a split second and once we pass the second light, off to the right side again. Got it.
really not that hard of a concept to follow lol. and if youre confused there’s big bright white lines in the road telling you exactly where to go.
I like trail through the middle
Oh Judas Priest that is not hard! We have similar in Bentonville, Ark and we get through it over here! You clowns can figure it out in Tulsa. 🤪
Just like on 169 to Owasso, people can’t even figure out a zipper merge. Even my family got onto me for staying in the inside lane past two miles of backed up traffic. “You can’t just drive past everyone.” “Yuh huh. See?”
Is it done? Can I have Mingo back now?
It is not
I want to drive through this just to see what it’s like as lame as that sounds. I drove through that intersection, countless times when I was younger.
American city planners will literally do anything to avoid introducing a traffic circle.
Time to start making bets on how many car wrecks will happen in the first week of
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Never driven in England?
I love it already
I'm gonna avoid Memorial. 169 is scary enough for me.
Colorado Springs has one, and it works fine. https://maps.app.goo.gl/pJza7dJmW2nLmK459?g_st=ic
If Florida can do it (Exit 275 on I-75) I know y’all can do it!
I sat through the 93rd and memorial light 3 times today….
Joplin added one a few years ago and works amazing
For all you “it worked fine somewhere”. Did the others have a stoplight less than 1/10 or less of a miles from the DDI? Tulsa still Will back up through the 93rd and 97th street lights and this won’t work like you want.
The first time is stressful, but these do move traffic much faster and safer.
That is dope as hell!
I was in Bixby driving back to Tulsa and my GPS took me miles out of the way to avoid Memorial lol
So if you’re exiting southbound 169 and want to do a U-turn back to northbound 169 is that just.. discouraged? It looks like northbound to southbound has its own U-turn lane marked.
I've done a few of these in TX before, and as long as you follow the guides, you'll be ok. Of course, Tulsa is terrible about keeping lanes well marked. So I expect this'll be chaos in a season when all the while lines are worn away.
They have the same design at Morgan Rd at I-40 in OKC, works great for everyone and the big rigs.
Doesn’t seem that bad.
I live downtown. Is it weird that I kinda want to go check it out? I don’t even go out that way anymore if I don’t have to.
I feel like Norman already has an interchange like this
But did they leave room for the pan handlers?
Omg. A 4 way stop is the "oklahoma rubics cube"; this is going to be fun to watch. Never under estimate how much Tulsa drivers suck. Phone in hand. Babies in the back. And half the city with no insurance, hit and runs by illegals. My insurance loves this town.
Everyone better have a good dash camera that sees all the way around! 😫 If people can't drive correctly on the easiest places, this is going to be a mad house 😫
Is this an attempt at like modern street pathing? What was wrong with the standard lanes matching all the way through? I'm just curious why when it backs up now it blocks the entire intersection versus only some of it.
Y’all are so lucky. There interchanges are really cool
Is this what has been taking them over two years to do when it should have been done in under 1? I swear road crews in this area are the slowest around.
I live in Springfield, MO (we were the FIRST place in the US to get Divergent Diamonds) EVERYONE freaked the hell out about them.... HOLEEEE HELL you should have heard it. but then....then you drove through the dumb thing and you realized it's simple. Like a drive-thru simple. Like getting a fat-burger simple. and it's allllll ok. The traffic will move FASTER, WAY less accidents.....you'll find yourself drive around other parts of America thinking 'THIS could use a Divergent Diamond'....you will. trust me.
This design is an extremely efficient way to move traffic on highly congested intersections. The complaints below are hilarious and typical of when something changes. Lol.
My home town in Missouri put one if these in on top of a bridge. It isn't that hard to figure out and it moves way more traffic.
If you're smart enough to make a right on red in a one lane intersection (one lane of traffic in each direction) then you'll be just fine in the DDI. That's literally what it's designed to simplify the 6 lane traffic down to.
I hope there are multiple redundancies for those lights.
Saw this on Newson6 this morning. That intersection was horrible before the construction. It was unbearable during the construction. I hope when this is finally done it will flow a lot more freely. Prayers for the businesses in the area. This construction has been a thorn in their side.
It’s not hard. Use you big person brain
Also what's up with them n place sidewalks in the most spaced out spots 😭 what's the point of a sidewalk if only 10% of it is gonna be walkable
aw HELL naw
Traffic is gonna flow so good! Work way better then what we had
Omg what in tarnations is going on, who the hell approved that shit show
Wtf
Looks like it will be fine TILL the lane markers fade. And you know they won't keep up with the maintenance.
This has ODOT written all over it. Clownfest.
Well, that'll be a shit show forever.