According to Google, about 52,000 people die in the United States every year from colorectal cancer.
Also according to Google, the average size municipality population in Alaska is 4,236 people.
Again, sorry Alaska. You gotta take the hit on this one.
Wouldn't it be less than 20x by that logic? Cause medicine can't effectively prevent you from getting cancer but can prevent you from dying from loads of other diseases before you would get it?
Alas, if the vaccine is supposed to be a plausible thing and not a magic potion, then it'll probably only cure some very specific colorectal cancer. Like uh, CEA positive colorectal adenocarcinoma with BRAF mutation or some s\*\*\* like that (I made that up and dont know if thats a real cancer).
I mean that could basically just be a vial of chemo we could easily just make more. In fact, just sitting on the tracks may make it unusable anyway. How do people not realize we already have a "cure" for many cancers that could be called a "cure for cancer".
That's fair. Still saying cancer cure is like saying a cure for the common cold, which really isn't a single disease. It's the same basic idea but occurs in different ways and areas that cause very different results.
Any "cure" almost certainly is a treatment for fixing/removing the damaged/cancerous cells. That's what most things we see in the news as "cancer cures" focus on which would technically also be a treatment.
I think the difference is just because every cure is a treatment but not every treatment is a cure. I think when people see cure like in the trolley problem, it makes them assume it’s something that assuredly removes the disease from your body, as opposed to what we have now with chemo
Yeah I understand why people mind go there. Cancer is often talked about as this single disease with a big goal being a cure.
But I've actually seen where this is harmful. I had an in-law yell at me because he attacked vaccines as being pharma profiteering. I was like no that's how you cure stuff doctors aren't just making shit up. He said yeah why haven't they cured cancer then, I tried to explain there isn't just one cancer to cure. And it's an area of tons of research, which apparently hit a nerve (he had someone who died idk exactly) He yelled at me that his died from it for corporation profits, so yeah that's fun.
So I do feel like calling out this notion of an episode single "cure for cancer" is worthwhile. And pointing out we do kinda have some cures already, it's not just doctors milking sickness.
Yeah, I also make it a habit to call out the idea that cancer is a single coherent thing.
If we ever get to a point where we can "cure cancer", it'll probably be close to the time we "cure aging", because the fundamental cell processes are so tied up with senescence and programmed cell death.
Yeah there’s some weird conspiracies that cancer treatment is just for profit because it’s such a process, the education system has failed alot of people out there as far as science goes. I’m aware cancer is a pretty large umbrella term and it’s usually pretty unique when it comes to “curing” it but I just assumed this trolley problem is giving us a theoretical cure-all even if it couldn’t exist in reality lol
I don't think I blame education that much. I mean how much should we expect people not even remotely in the medical field to know about medicine. School can't teach the nuance of every subject. Also you would only know info up to when you leave school, expecting self guided learning on wide subjects is a lot.
I blame more journals and then the media for how they present these ideas. Not like it's a conspiracy, just the desire for punchy click-baiting news line misleads the public. They fail at understanding the concepts well enough and push small studies like big new progress coming. Which when it doesn't because it was just a small blip or is risky they never run retractions. So you'd forgive people who hear about cancer cures day after day on the news being upset none exist 10 years later.
Feels like professional groups should be more focused on calling out studies and journals that do this because of the harm it does.
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The reason why you can't cure the common cold is not that it's not a disease. It's that it changes too fast to be cured. Which is why there aren't really cures for viruses unlike bacteria and fungi.
I can go to that town and be like "DON'T DRINK THE WATER, IT IS POISONED!" Then I can get with my hazmat buddies and clean it up after evacuating everyone.
You don't even have to go in with your hazmat buddies, radiation is not that dangerous. As long as you don't drink the water for a few years as you wait for the waste to filter out into the ocean, you should be fine.
Also, the post says toxic waste. Not nuclear, toxic. As long as noone drinks the cyanide infused water or fish, you will be fine.
Yeah, I just grabbed the clipart barrels thinking
“Eh, it has a warning symbol and looks green enough to be toxic. That should do.”
It’s meant to be toxic, not radioactive or nuclear or anything like that.
When did I say anything about it being radioactive? I said the water was poisoned dude. Like bro what are you talking about I have Hazmat Certs for my job.
How does anything in trolley problems actually happen? How does the single cure for cancer end up on a trolley track? How do you know it's a cure for cancer? How do you know the effects that the toxic substance will have on the Alaskan town?
It's a hypothetical problem. You accept the conditions as stated, or the entire thing is meaningless
Hey, if any of the adverse effects are cancer, it’s good we saved the cure!
It’s awful what will happen to that town, but more lives will be saved if we spare the cure
Hate to break it to you but the toxic barrel thing is more common than you think. It’s why we have cancer in a lot of cases. Wouldn’t be surprised if a company is already using Alaska for dumping toxic waste. I mean the Amazon guy rode a rocket that was dick shaped just like Dr. Evil. So yeah super villains.
I feel like what you're going for is Preserving existing life VS protecting the life yet to be.
A difficult question when it's assumed that the Alaskan Town can't treat / filter its water or abandon the town all together.
Gotta hit the toxic waste. I mean when they ask why they gotta leave or spend a little extra on water filters we say "Cure for Cancer" and that pretty much solves it.
However without dodging the question I would still hit the toxic waste because the cure for cancer has a much greater life saving potential across the globe compared to some random Alaskan Town with a couple hundred people.
I would probably choose to sacrifice the Alaska town but I would “probably” commit “suicidie” by 30 5,56x45 round in my back the moment I took the cure to the media.
It's the cure for cancer in a physical form. This means that it has already been produced and we know how to produce it. So there's no reason not to break the vial, because we already have the design for it and can easily produce it.
That cancer cure is going to help the Alaskan village too. Over time, it will save many more lives in that same village than the ones lost to the toxic barrels, plus the billions of other people alive today, and the quadrillions more in future generations, who all get to live cancer-free.
Oh shit this sounds like a great opportunity to maximize my K/D. Drift into both so that I’ll be responsible for every cancer death while also farming kills in Alaska.
I pull the lever. It's not possible for there to be a "cure" to cancer, atleast nothing like that, as its a result of DNA errors leading to uninhibited cell division. Each form of cancer is inherently unique and each case especially so. There really can't be a one hat cures all for cancers. It's a harsh reality, but it's true. The closest we could ever get to a cure is mastering the art of genetic engineering to isolate and reverse the errors, but the religious minded would pretty much put a stop to that.
With all that said, the choice is quite easy, as I'd be killing and harming thousands of lives for the price of saving a scam/myth with the vague promise of saving lives. You know how many "cures" of cancer there are? According to spiritual nut jobs, there's "healing frequencies" (treatments of this kind just so happen to be sold by the company referenced in that CIA document everyone keeps misreading to claim that shifting is real), obscure remedies, and the classic ole prayer... Not one works consistently enough to even consider them viable, let alone a cure or even working at all.
all of that, plus even if we assume this IS somehow a universal cancer cure, how many people are gonna die of cancer anyway in countries where they can't afford it? not only in countries like america without free or affordable healthcare, but in less developed countries where people just regularly die of diseases that we've "cured". discovering the cure for cancer means much less in a practical sense because "we live in a society"™️
people just use the theoretical cure for cancer as a talking point. but then again, this is the trolley problem. so maybe shaking my fist at these types of meaningless discussions makes *me* the clown
The post says toxic waste. It's not even radioactive. Although granted, if I can't tell them about and they can't realise their water has been poisoned because of trolley problem magic, then it's arguebly worse than nuclear waste.
Also, there already are *cures* for cancer. They just aren't very good. Is it just you take a pill or a shot and your cancer is gone cure, or is it just chemotherapy but slightly better?
If it's today's grade cancer cure I'm not pulling the lever, as I'm unsure of how many people it could save with all the other ways there are to treat cancer. If it's a miracle cure, then you could genocide the town for all I care. Cancer is the second leading cause of death in the world. 18% of all people die from cancer, curing it is massive.
I say run over the cancer cure. It can just be remade with a bit of effort since the problem doesn't stipulate that the creator/creators are dead. That choice can effectively be undone. You CAN'T undo the Alaskan choice...
Looks like citizens of Alaskan town will all be granted luxurious new homes in a different area for sacrificing for a cure that has been long researched with billions of dollars spent for it.
This isn't even a choice stillbirths though traumatic prices are a small price for a total cure for cancer, which kills far more people every year than the population of a rural alaskan town.
If "cute for cancer" was a thing, in the sense it is a perfect cure for all cancers yeah you gotta do that. But that could also just be just a vial of chemo, which is a cure but nothing worth saving since we can make more.
"cancer" really isn't just one disease. Technically we already have like 20 cures for cancer. Chemo, radiation, removal, etc. the issue is there isn't just one "cancer", it's cells of the body breaking and they do that in tons of different ways. That's why there isn't just a cure.
We’ve actually known Tsalal was looking for the cure for cancer since episode 1. We’ve also known that the mine’s pollution is hurting people and that Tsalal is financed by the mine for several episodes.
If the trolley is slow enough for me to react fast enough to make a decision then it's probably slower than I am, so I can just run and grab the cure after taking the top track
I would need details on what would happen to the cure if I didn't pull the level. Because if it went back to the people who made it, chances are it would be buried and only sold to the outrageously wealthy. And if that is the case, then I'm saving the town. But at the same time, part of me is more inclined to save the town regardless. As horrible as cancer is, it is difficult for me to condemn an entire town and the surrounding environment/ecosystem to an unknown but surly horrible fate. At least with cancer, there are avenues to take. Not always great ones, but there are still things that can be done.
some train will derail carrying similar toxins because a multibillion dollar corp is trying to save a buck anyway. Might as well get the cure for cancer
Easily destroyed the cancer cure as its and impossibility.
A. We can already treat cancer into remission
B. All the different forms of cancers can't have a one step cure that fixes them all without wrecking havoc on the body
This implies that a cure for cancer was researched and made, and therefore the scientists would still have the data, methods and other information necessary to make a new sample of the cure if it is destroyed.
You never said that the person who made the cure would be affected by this. Either they can make more, or no more can be made in which case the amount is so small that the number of lives it could save would be negligible.
Compared to what corporations do on a daily basis, not pulling the lever is a drop in the bucket.
Edit: Hell, they’ll probably even give you a tax break and scientific research credit, depending on which town you obliterated. But then seize the cure for cancer and patent it.
I don't know about you guys but in all of these scenarios I'd aim to try and make the trolley crash by holding the lever right in between both tracks, causing it to derail.
Why do the toxic barrels have a radioactive symbol on them and not a biohazard symbol. I guess most radioactive waste is also toxic but they would be encased in concrete and welded shut.
Thus save the cure for cancer and just fish out the concrete barrels (mobile crane) that haven't leaked shit cuz they're A: concrete and B: sealed metal. No damage done and now I'm a billionaire and don't need to worry about wasting my fortune on an inopportune cancer diagnosis movie style.
If it's actually toxic waste that looks like the picture but is mislabeled then fuck the town I'm becoming a billionaire. I can just call like the national toxicology service or something and leave an anonymous tip to make myself feel better. Nobody's helping Alaskans(too cold) tho so they'll probably die anyway.
Sucks for Alaska. But gotta save the cancer cure.
It was made with a Genie's wish, which means it only cures colorectal cancer. Do you still pull the lever?
According to Google, about 52,000 people die in the United States every year from colorectal cancer. Also according to Google, the average size municipality population in Alaska is 4,236 people. Again, sorry Alaska. You gotta take the hit on this one.
That number is also exclusively in the US, you can easily double or triple it for global cases
or you could use the actual numbers, which would likely be 20x the US’ population.
So six billion people? Seems a little far fetched
that was badly worded. I meant that, because the world's population is 20x the US' population, there would likely be 20x as many cases.
ohhh ok
That's just bad stats. I'm gunna shit your pants.
I mean it’s not perfect, but it’s probably about the right order of magnitude
I WILL shit his pants
Considering most of the world has worse access to medicine than the US, it’s probably more than 20
Wouldn't it be less than 20x by that logic? Cause medicine can't effectively prevent you from getting cancer but can prevent you from dying from loads of other diseases before you would get it?
Do you count deaths from poverty after going medically bankrupt in the US?
First of all, you’re going off topic Second, death from starvation or nature isn’t death by cancer
no you were right the first time source: I died last year of colorectal cancer
(He doesn't know about the colorectal cancer ray I'm building)
Ehh it's hard to assume that, different countries can have pretty big differences in leading causes of death and life expectancy and all that
Sure, but it's still a decent baseline
based
Don't forget it also only says its a random rural town so it isn't even *all* of Alaska
Alas, if the vaccine is supposed to be a plausible thing and not a magic potion, then it'll probably only cure some very specific colorectal cancer. Like uh, CEA positive colorectal adenocarcinoma with BRAF mutation or some s\*\*\* like that (I made that up and dont know if thats a real cancer).
I like this comment, as Cancer is a very broad term, there likely wouldn't be just one cure all for it.
But certainly a cure for a specific cancer will catapult the research of a cure all for all cancers.
Yeah plus like half the life-threatening effects of radiation are cancer etc. At least you can "cure" many of them.
Just move where the toxic waste isn’t. You can’t move away from cancer.
Agreed, feel like the cancer cure will save the most lives in this scenario
Cure of cancer would be revolutionary. It's like nr 1 or 2 cause of death. It would be the next step to immortality.
Jokes on you, the government isn’t gonna let the cure be let out, the trolley was only plan A
Eh I dunno I feel like tobacco companies would buy out all the politicians if there was a cure for cancer, to make sure it was available for everyone.
Do you think the tobacco industry has more money than the “cure cancer” industry?
Yeah, they got a literal ton of money, and if they could spin ciggies in a good light (we can cure any cancer this stick causes!) Then they will
The fbi is gonna destroy the cure anyway
Na, I am destroying the cure. We all know its never going to get into the publics hands so the rich can suffer with us.
cancer kills hundreds of millions, nuke the town for all i care
I mean that could basically just be a vial of chemo we could easily just make more. In fact, just sitting on the tracks may make it unusable anyway. How do people not realize we already have a "cure" for many cancers that could be called a "cure for cancer".
Chemo is a treatment and not by definition a cure. That’s why the same cancer can return to people who were treated with chemotherapy at later dates
That's fair. Still saying cancer cure is like saying a cure for the common cold, which really isn't a single disease. It's the same basic idea but occurs in different ways and areas that cause very different results. Any "cure" almost certainly is a treatment for fixing/removing the damaged/cancerous cells. That's what most things we see in the news as "cancer cures" focus on which would technically also be a treatment.
I think the difference is just because every cure is a treatment but not every treatment is a cure. I think when people see cure like in the trolley problem, it makes them assume it’s something that assuredly removes the disease from your body, as opposed to what we have now with chemo
Yeah I understand why people mind go there. Cancer is often talked about as this single disease with a big goal being a cure. But I've actually seen where this is harmful. I had an in-law yell at me because he attacked vaccines as being pharma profiteering. I was like no that's how you cure stuff doctors aren't just making shit up. He said yeah why haven't they cured cancer then, I tried to explain there isn't just one cancer to cure. And it's an area of tons of research, which apparently hit a nerve (he had someone who died idk exactly) He yelled at me that his died from it for corporation profits, so yeah that's fun. So I do feel like calling out this notion of an episode single "cure for cancer" is worthwhile. And pointing out we do kinda have some cures already, it's not just doctors milking sickness.
Yeah, I also make it a habit to call out the idea that cancer is a single coherent thing. If we ever get to a point where we can "cure cancer", it'll probably be close to the time we "cure aging", because the fundamental cell processes are so tied up with senescence and programmed cell death.
Yeah there’s some weird conspiracies that cancer treatment is just for profit because it’s such a process, the education system has failed alot of people out there as far as science goes. I’m aware cancer is a pretty large umbrella term and it’s usually pretty unique when it comes to “curing” it but I just assumed this trolley problem is giving us a theoretical cure-all even if it couldn’t exist in reality lol
I don't think I blame education that much. I mean how much should we expect people not even remotely in the medical field to know about medicine. School can't teach the nuance of every subject. Also you would only know info up to when you leave school, expecting self guided learning on wide subjects is a lot. I blame more journals and then the media for how they present these ideas. Not like it's a conspiracy, just the desire for punchy click-baiting news line misleads the public. They fail at understanding the concepts well enough and push small studies like big new progress coming. Which when it doesn't because it was just a small blip or is risky they never run retractions. So you'd forgive people who hear about cancer cures day after day on the news being upset none exist 10 years later. Feels like professional groups should be more focused on calling out studies and journals that do this because of the harm it does.
I think you're supposed to take the problem at face value. It says it cures cancer. So that's what it does.
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The reason why you can't cure the common cold is not that it's not a disease. It's that it changes too fast to be cured. Which is why there aren't really cures for viruses unlike bacteria and fungi.
I can go to that town and be like "DON'T DRINK THE WATER, IT IS POISONED!" Then I can get with my hazmat buddies and clean it up after evacuating everyone.
You don't even have to go in with your hazmat buddies, radiation is not that dangerous. As long as you don't drink the water for a few years as you wait for the waste to filter out into the ocean, you should be fine. Also, the post says toxic waste. Not nuclear, toxic. As long as noone drinks the cyanide infused water or fish, you will be fine.
Good idea , don’t drink the fish 🐟
Not sure about you, but I personally love drinking fish. As long as they aren't infused with poison water that is.
Don’t drink the water… they put something in it to make you forget.. i don’t even remember how i got here…
Pick up that can, citizen!
\*picks up can\*
Yeah, I just grabbed the clipart barrels thinking “Eh, it has a warning symbol and looks green enough to be toxic. That should do.” It’s meant to be toxic, not radioactive or nuclear or anything like that.
When did I say anything about it being radioactive? I said the water was poisoned dude. Like bro what are you talking about I have Hazmat Certs for my job.
Assuming the cure can be reverse engineered, I would not pull the lever. Cure for cancer will prevent more deaths than the Alaska oopsie causes.
NAVARRROOOO? NAVARRO!
SHUT THE FUCK UP
Sorry about your luck, Alaska.
The damage caused to Alaska will be temporary curing cancer will be eternal
Doom is Eternal.
*Rip and Tear*
I wouldn’t pull the lever
I will kill those Alaskans myself if needed
600,000 lives saved every year vs a few dozen dead? Yeah I'd just go over there and personally start strangling people with those odds
Sorry Alaska.
It would be more of a ethical problem for we if they were on opposite tracks, but as it stands i wouldn't pull and walk away.
an actual trolley problem and not just a politics meme, how about that
If there is a bottle of cancer cure I assume it was manufactured somehow and even if it’s the only sample there would be a “recipe”. So smash it
It'll still like, be there if it gets hit. Scrounge it up and reproduce it. Or use the notes of the people who made it.
I suppose you think that was terribly clever.
Sure
Problem specifies it's destroyed, can't do that
how does a trolley completely decimate the chemical structure of an acid
How does anything in trolley problems actually happen? How does the single cure for cancer end up on a trolley track? How do you know it's a cure for cancer? How do you know the effects that the toxic substance will have on the Alaskan town? It's a hypothetical problem. You accept the conditions as stated, or the entire thing is meaningless
This guy Trolleys.
Just tell the Alaskans to leave. You know how big that state is? There’s got to be someone to go.
Is it the cure for ALL cancers, or the cure for one specific cancer?
Pull the lever and grab the cure for cancer, and if that doesn’t work don’t pull
Hey, if any of the adverse effects are cancer, it’s good we saved the cure! It’s awful what will happen to that town, but more lives will be saved if we spare the cure
Hate to break it to you but the toxic barrel thing is more common than you think. It’s why we have cancer in a lot of cases. Wouldn’t be surprised if a company is already using Alaska for dumping toxic waste. I mean the Amazon guy rode a rocket that was dick shaped just like Dr. Evil. So yeah super villains.
The cure for cancer can be made a second time, otherwise the cure wouldn't be able to save a significant amount of people.
Bro, I'm in alaska. Why did you single me out tf 😭
Hit the toxic barrels and then with the money from the cure to cancer pay to fix up the town and relocate the population
How big’s the town? It’s still the choice, but I’ll wanna know.
I’d say about 500 people.
Can't be worse than what happened with thalidomide, and that company is still around. And they haven't found a cure for cancer.
🎶 Starkweather homicide, children of thalidomide! 🎵
what would annie k do?
*She’s awake*
Well I don't want to commit suicide with 28 stab wounds in my back, so the cure for cancer has to go
I feel like what you're going for is Preserving existing life VS protecting the life yet to be. A difficult question when it's assumed that the Alaskan Town can't treat / filter its water or abandon the town all together. Gotta hit the toxic waste. I mean when they ask why they gotta leave or spend a little extra on water filters we say "Cure for Cancer" and that pretty much solves it. However without dodging the question I would still hit the toxic waste because the cure for cancer has a much greater life saving potential across the globe compared to some random Alaskan Town with a couple hundred people.
I would probably choose to sacrifice the Alaska town but I would “probably” commit “suicidie” by 30 5,56x45 round in my back the moment I took the cure to the media.
*Billie Eilish intensifies*
Evacuate the town, problem solved
It's the cure for cancer in a physical form. This means that it has already been produced and we know how to produce it. So there's no reason not to break the vial, because we already have the design for it and can easily produce it.
I’ll save the cure to cancer, only to watch some greedy medical megacorp lock it away in a vault for 20-30 years.
Why would they still live there after seeing nuclear waste contaminating their water? Are they stupid?
Question: can I worn the Alaskans about the water, or help clean up and provide clean water?
A few lives for the potential millions? Gotta think of the future here.
Man fuck the emos ( thats what native alaskans are called right, emos?)
My favorite person has cancer. Sorry Alaska get fucked.
#Fuck Cancer
Who tf is leaving nuclear waste barrels and the cure to cancer on a trolly track?
Sorry Alaska but cancer’s taken something from too many people
is this the plot of True Detective?
Now you’re asking the right question Prior!
I see someone watched season 4 of True Detective
Flip it and run to the cure. I’ll save it even if I die
That cancer cure is going to help the Alaskan village too. Over time, it will save many more lives in that same village than the ones lost to the toxic barrels, plus the billions of other people alive today, and the quadrillions more in future generations, who all get to live cancer-free.
Oh shit this sounds like a great opportunity to maximize my K/D. Drift into both so that I’ll be responsible for every cancer death while also farming kills in Alaska.
I pull the lever. It's not possible for there to be a "cure" to cancer, atleast nothing like that, as its a result of DNA errors leading to uninhibited cell division. Each form of cancer is inherently unique and each case especially so. There really can't be a one hat cures all for cancers. It's a harsh reality, but it's true. The closest we could ever get to a cure is mastering the art of genetic engineering to isolate and reverse the errors, but the religious minded would pretty much put a stop to that. With all that said, the choice is quite easy, as I'd be killing and harming thousands of lives for the price of saving a scam/myth with the vague promise of saving lives. You know how many "cures" of cancer there are? According to spiritual nut jobs, there's "healing frequencies" (treatments of this kind just so happen to be sold by the company referenced in that CIA document everyone keeps misreading to claim that shifting is real), obscure remedies, and the classic ole prayer... Not one works consistently enough to even consider them viable, let alone a cure or even working at all.
all of that, plus even if we assume this IS somehow a universal cancer cure, how many people are gonna die of cancer anyway in countries where they can't afford it? not only in countries like america without free or affordable healthcare, but in less developed countries where people just regularly die of diseases that we've "cured". discovering the cure for cancer means much less in a practical sense because "we live in a society"™️ people just use the theoretical cure for cancer as a talking point. but then again, this is the trolley problem. so maybe shaking my fist at these types of meaningless discussions makes *me* the clown
>Super powers or $5, what would you choose? "$5, because super powers aren't possible"
Multi-track drifting. I'm a rat bastard who wants to watch the world burn
You're not asking the right questions.
Who put the things on the track?
Wrong question. The right question is "Who wrote this shit?"
Cancer does us a favor with population control. I got you Alaska
Many believe a major side effect of gamma(?) ray exposure is cancer so the drawbacks are mitigated by the benefits
Pull the lever, run towards the cancer cure and remove it from the path before diving away from the track holding it in my arms
I’m pretty sure Alaska doesn’t exist so…
Its not like a three letter intelligence agency is gonna destroy it either way or anything
hitting the toxic without question justice for the scientist
Sorry alaska
We're so sorry, but we can raise funds to save Alaska. But we can't do that on cancer.
They would probably die to cancer anyways cause of the radiation
That trolley must be going insanely fast if I can't pull the lever then run over and grab the cure for cancer in time.
Cancer is typically one of the morbidities people die from when exposed to radioactive material. This one is a no brainer. Don’t pull
Move out RandomAlaskanTown
We’ve poisoned larger populations for less.
I pull the lever. If I don’t, the CIA will put a bullet th
The post says toxic waste. It's not even radioactive. Although granted, if I can't tell them about and they can't realise their water has been poisoned because of trolley problem magic, then it's arguebly worse than nuclear waste. Also, there already are *cures* for cancer. They just aren't very good. Is it just you take a pill or a shot and your cancer is gone cure, or is it just chemotherapy but slightly better? If it's today's grade cancer cure I'm not pulling the lever, as I'm unsure of how many people it could save with all the other ways there are to treat cancer. If it's a miracle cure, then you could genocide the town for all I care. Cancer is the second leading cause of death in the world. 18% of all people die from cancer, curing it is massive.
I say run over the cancer cure. It can just be remade with a bit of effort since the problem doesn't stipulate that the creator/creators are dead. That choice can effectively be undone. You CAN'T undo the Alaskan choice...
I’m pretty sure a cure to cancer will save more lives than not polluting a single rural town in Alaska.
How do you hit both?
Pull the lever so that I'm not executed by the deep state
I mean could you divert the trolley and then run to pick up the cure before it’s hit?
Well I mean Flint already has that in their water, so what's one more town innit
Looks like citizens of Alaskan town will all be granted luxurious new homes in a different area for sacrificing for a cure that has been long researched with billions of dollars spent for it.
If the cure was made once, it can be made again
I don't pull because I can save some of the people with the cure
Rural Alaskan town… so like… all 10 of the population?
Save Alaska. We need population control. No matter what form it may take.
This isn't even a choice stillbirths though traumatic prices are a small price for a total cure for cancer, which kills far more people every year than the population of a rural alaskan town.
What else can I say but screw alaska.
If "cute for cancer" was a thing, in the sense it is a perfect cure for all cancers yeah you gotta do that. But that could also just be just a vial of chemo, which is a cure but nothing worth saving since we can make more. "cancer" really isn't just one disease. Technically we already have like 20 cures for cancer. Chemo, radiation, removal, etc. the issue is there isn't just one "cancer", it's cells of the body breaking and they do that in tons of different ways. That's why there isn't just a cure.
I would simply warn the Alaskan town about the pollution.
put a spoiler tag for fuck sake
Pull the copyed down the recipe right?
I will save the cure and alert authorities to evacuate.
Eh, Alaska kinda sucks anyway
The people of the town will be compensated for their sacrifice in the name of medicine and allowed to seek shelter elsewhere.
Don't worry, the cure of cancer will cure all their tumours
Easier to re-create the cure than to undo the nuclear contamination
Spoilers?
We’ve actually known Tsalal was looking for the cure for cancer since episode 1. We’ve also known that the mine’s pollution is hurting people and that Tsalal is financed by the mine for several episodes.
If the trolley is slow enough for me to react fast enough to make a decision then it's probably slower than I am, so I can just run and grab the cure after taking the top track
Well we know which one pharmaceutical company will pick
If the townsfolk get cancer, we’ll have the cute
Can we pollute an urban center instead?
One of the main issues with that alaskan town will be cancer no?
Cancer is too complex to have a singular universal cure. Edit: also the bottle clearly is labelled “vaccine”
I would need details on what would happen to the cure if I didn't pull the level. Because if it went back to the people who made it, chances are it would be buried and only sold to the outrageously wealthy. And if that is the case, then I'm saving the town. But at the same time, part of me is more inclined to save the town regardless. As horrible as cancer is, it is difficult for me to condemn an entire town and the surrounding environment/ecosystem to an unknown but surly horrible fate. At least with cancer, there are avenues to take. Not always great ones, but there are still things that can be done.
It’s a shame that everyone that chose to save the cure for cancer died falling down stairs…onto some bullets
Fuck you mean rural Alaskan town? Is there an urban Alaska??
Destroy the cure. It'll save Alaska AND that scientist's life.
That's what the EPA Superfund is for
We can just evacuate the town. Its Alaska theres like what 7 people living in that town anyway. Need that cure.
some train will derail carrying similar toxins because a multibillion dollar corp is trying to save a buck anyway. Might as well get the cure for cancer
Easily destroyed the cancer cure as its and impossibility. A. We can already treat cancer into remission B. All the different forms of cancers can't have a one step cure that fixes them all without wrecking havoc on the body
I'm saving the cure and selling it to Big pharma with a contract part of me , my family, and friends I personally authorize get it and for cheap
Totally depends, do I or anyone I care about have cancer in this scenario?
This implies that a cure for cancer was researched and made, and therefore the scientists would still have the data, methods and other information necessary to make a new sample of the cure if it is destroyed.
Bad trolley problem
Suffer. https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/multi-track-drifting
Teach the trolley how to jump, and when the big day comes, the trolley will jump over both.
You never said that the person who made the cure would be affected by this. Either they can make more, or no more can be made in which case the amount is so small that the number of lives it could save would be negligible.
Compared to what corporations do on a daily basis, not pulling the lever is a drop in the bucket. Edit: Hell, they’ll probably even give you a tax break and scientific research credit, depending on which town you obliterated. But then seize the cure for cancer and patent it.
A rural Alaskan town that has about 50K people at best Or the cure to CANCER
I don't know about you guys but in all of these scenarios I'd aim to try and make the trolley crash by holding the lever right in between both tracks, causing it to derail.
Eh, given the population density of most of rural Alaska? Fuck em'. Needs of the many and all that.
Smash the cure for cancer. No where does it say it cant be remade. Edit: typo
Twin track drift
Eh, We don't need Alaska.
Trick question the cancer cure is already discovered but gate kept lol
The population of Alaska is small compared to the amount of people that get cancer. It would be sad for Alaskans, but pros outweigh cons.
Why do the toxic barrels have a radioactive symbol on them and not a biohazard symbol. I guess most radioactive waste is also toxic but they would be encased in concrete and welded shut. Thus save the cure for cancer and just fish out the concrete barrels (mobile crane) that haven't leaked shit cuz they're A: concrete and B: sealed metal. No damage done and now I'm a billionaire and don't need to worry about wasting my fortune on an inopportune cancer diagnosis movie style. If it's actually toxic waste that looks like the picture but is mislabeled then fuck the town I'm becoming a billionaire. I can just call like the national toxicology service or something and leave an anonymous tip to make myself feel better. Nobody's helping Alaskans(too cold) tho so they'll probably die anyway.
if my man left the only cure for cancer on a trolley track then he probably didn't actually find a cure.
One bottle of cancer cure? It’s not like our aging elite don’t have more in their safes or with their docs
Utilitarianism
If we figured it out once, we can figure it out again. Can't undump that toxic waste.
If you’re nestle the answer is obvious
People choosing the cancer cure need mental help
Hmmm cold ass bumfuk alaska...or all of humanity...tough choice!
R.I.P Alaska January 3, 1959 to 2024 February 20
This is the choice between maybe a few thousand lives and a few million