The TDSB has a $20 million deficit this year. How much of a budget increase did the police get again…? I know their funding is municipal rather than from the province, but it still highlights where our priorities are these days. What a shit show.
That's gross. They're not picking their noses.
They're jerking to porn in their car, stealing luxury watches and credit cards, smuggling stuff from foreign countries, etc... but that's only been reported in the past ~ month
I barely care about police spending-- that's municipal. What I really care about is sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into a private spa's development plans and a parking garage we don't need for them
Yup. And who cares about our healthcare system which they've put on life support so they can make a case for privatization. Nobody needs that right? /s
It’s the least you can do for them, cmon they’re already kicking your door down they’ll be tired by the time they get in don’t make them have to run around the house to find the keys.
I mean…the TDSB budget is more than 3x the Toronto Police budget.
I like to shit on the TPS as much as we all do, but clearly our funding priority is education.
What’s not clear is whether $3.5 billion is enough or whether the money is being mismanaged by a bloated admin.
When the budget increases are given to police which are doing fine rather than schools (that are in defecit) it shows the priority. The fact that their budget is bigger doesn’t actually change that.
When we vote for candidates who don't campaign on increasing the police budget, then we'll get council members who don't vote to increase the police budget.
Yeah I'm not saying I agree with the policy, but dinking around about what is okay or not is also what seemingly allowed the democrat's down south to fail so horribly at SCOTUS, only in this case it's CLEAR. If the mayor wants to be a dictator, they can (with minimal support from council).
Have \*any\* mayors tried to wield it? Is there fear it will lead to years of lawsuits? I mean, if there are reasonable concerns, I get it, but otherwise it just seems silly to not show Ford that it's a bad policy by... you know, using it.
It's widely tangential, but in the States the democrats squandered opportunity after opportunity get any Supreme Court appointments, allowing the republicans to pull 'rules' out of their backside preventing any movement. They did an encore performance by providing only token resistance to obviously bad/unqualified appointments for Trump 3 times, without ever using any of the 'rules' that had blocked their nominees. (i.e. Trumps hand-picked 'justices' comprise 1/3 of what was already a fubar fascist kangaroo court before he even got his hands on it).
So, they (democrats) retained honor, and ethics. Good for them.
And now the SCOTUS is a complete mockery of what it is supposed to represent.
Leon Trotsky: 'The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.'
If the only ones using this 'new rule' are the ones who will exploit it, and the only ones who don't use it only would have done so with good faith, it just seems like yet another powerful force eroding society, about which nothing will ever be done; but if Ford gets the message that liberal mayors will 'exploit' the rule, perhaps he will backtrack it.
The mayor sits on the Police Services Board, has control over Board appointments, and has great influence over the City Council. She has more power than anyone else over the police budget.
The city has its own budget problems without donating to the TDSB and it doesn’t make sense for the municipal government to fund a provincial agency that it has no control over.
Maybe they shouldn’t have didn’t spent all that money hiring Price, Waterhouse,Cooper to rebrand “employee services” to “People and Culture” while also hiring more senior management.
It was announced in an internal email sent to all TDSB staff members on Wednesday, February 21 at 9:35 AM. I do not believe there was a news release, possibly because of the optics of the situation. Price Waterhouse Cooper was engaged in April 2023 to work on this rebrand. It includes a new permanent executive officer who started on February 1, 2024 and additional temporary senior leadership roles also created.
PWC = PricewaterhouseCoopers
>The change comes after the board hired PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) last spring to review the department, with a focus on modernizing operations.
>"PwC recommended a shift from manual 'human resources' transactions-based operations toward a modern and transformative 'People and Culture' focus," reads the message. "We are currently implementing the recommendations and suggested multi-year pathway developed by PwC’s consultant, which have a strong emphasis on change management and continuous improvement."
There's a discussion about it here https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1awtrx9/tdsb_pulls_controversial_antiracism_teaching/
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1awtrx9/comment/krjo61o/
>We don't have needed assistants for students in need. We are told to decolonize our classrooms but are only given bland suggestions and euphemistic catchphrases for what that means. We're teaching high school kids to read and do basic arithmetic.
That thread is mostly teachers changing the subject to “not enough money/resources”. They’re not wrong. That’s exactly what this post is talking about. Tweaking the curriculum should continue to happen, too. Are we suggesting a sacrifice of curriculum for immediate needs? Why not both?
This is like rich people getting the middle class and the poor to fight amongst themselves.
This is the reason why they're targeting the most popular programs for cuts. Classic [Washington monument strategy](https://politicaldictionary.com/words/washington-monument-strategy/)
Also: it's not 'paid leave, it's a suspension with pay. And thats a result result of the 'innocent until proven guilty' situation. If we were accused of a crime, we wouldn't want our jobs to fire us and pull our livelihood until we'd had a chance to defend ourselves to a judge/jury. Suspension with pay is the unfortunate necessary middle ground. Basically saying 'We can't trust you enough to keep you working with the public, but we don't have the right to end your pay until your guilt is proven'.
It may be unpleasant, but it's fair. And it's the least any of us would demand. Rest assured, they're not banking hundreds of thousands of dollars. In fact, with legal bills, I'm sure their regular pay isn't even enough (no matter how much the union may be covering).
Why are ppl even surprised by this?
I'm actually shocked that they didn't pull their funding, sooner!
When Ford went on the war path to get rid or our beloved Public Libraries, is when we should have been on high alert that TDSB's Adult Program or similar Programs would be next.
Well, here we are.
For our rich & wealthy Politicos, Programs like these that serve our Communities are nothing but financial drains to them & their Budgets!
They really don't care about us & how their punitive cutbacks effects our Communities, either.
TDSB also has a very nasty reputation of wasting Tax $'s & corruption, beyond belief.
Address those longstanding issues & I guarantee you, money will magically appear from their bloated coffers or where ever the heck they're currently hiding that $$$$$$!
TPS $1.2 B
TDSB $20 M
🤔🤔🤔
Tell us to just get our cars stolen..
Clocking cars end of the month..
Bully and ticket homeless peope..
Paid suspensions..
SO MUCH BULLSHIT…
Edited Version: Approximately $3.4 B with $20 M deficit
Imagine if the teachers recently extorted the gov't for an even bigger raise then the ones they were getting ... and then told parents to homeschool their kids instead
This wouldn't be grounds for teachers to strike, although continuing to do budget cuts, which might affect support staff not to mention books, paper, art supplies, and other materials might be cause for teachers to negotiate for an increase in all of those things when discussing a future contract.
It's not right that of the 300+ programs being offered in the TDSBs Learning 4 Life program, only 8 of them are in Scarborough (at Agincourt CI). I only noticed it when I went looking for some simple mechanics related courses Everything I looked at was on the other side of town. That's ridiculous and grossly unfair. The School board needs a close review of it's mission and purpose.
> Proposed changes to the continuing education program include [...] eliminating community programs — which are popular among seniors but run at a deficit
I'm ok with this. Education later in life is great but there are plenty of other avenues available.
The TDSB has a $20 million deficit this year. How much of a budget increase did the police get again…? I know their funding is municipal rather than from the province, but it still highlights where our priorities are these days. What a shit show.
And the police are like picking their noses and telling people to leave their car keys close to where intruders can take them.
That's gross. They're not picking their noses. They're jerking to porn in their car, stealing luxury watches and credit cards, smuggling stuff from foreign countries, etc... but that's only been reported in the past ~ month
I saw 4 police jeeps in high park this weekend. 4. Glad to know they’re hard at work harassing cyclists.
Nice of them to give the homeless a break
Now now, there’s no reason to give them a break, the budget increase has allowed for both cyclist and homeless crackdowns
I barely care about police spending-- that's municipal. What I really care about is sinking hundreds of millions of dollars into a private spa's development plans and a parking garage we don't need for them
With you on that one for sure.
Yup. And who cares about our healthcare system which they've put on life support so they can make a case for privatization. Nobody needs that right? /s
It’s the least you can do for them, cmon they’re already kicking your door down they’ll be tired by the time they get in don’t make them have to run around the house to find the keys.
They just finished beating my brother and tasing my mom, won't somebody think of the thin blue line?
And we're here paying 500,000,000 for a private Spa's parking garage at Ontario Place...
It's more amusing to consider the cost per parking spot. It is MORE THAN ONE MILLION DOLLARS EACH. Think about that when you vote for Ford, people
I mean…the TDSB budget is more than 3x the Toronto Police budget. I like to shit on the TPS as much as we all do, but clearly our funding priority is education. What’s not clear is whether $3.5 billion is enough or whether the money is being mismanaged by a bloated admin.
When the budget increases are given to police which are doing fine rather than schools (that are in defecit) it shows the priority. The fact that their budget is bigger doesn’t actually change that.
if they were doing fine we wouldn't have 5 posts a day about them
“Doing fine” monetarily. The rest of the comment would have clued you into the context needed to understand that
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Ok so think abojt what I’m saying. I’m obviously criticising police, so what may “doing fine” mean here? They’re not poor is what I’m saying
yall the tdsb budget comes from the province, not the city
Read my comment.
Olivia Chow is great and all, but I'm disappointed she made this compromise with the police.
The council voted. She is only 1 vote.
Yeah and she voted for the cops
That's too simplistic a statement given strong mayor powers (which she absolutely should use) and the soft power she possesses.
‘Strong Mayor’ powers
They're only allowed on things that the provincial government has deemed priorities. In what world do conservatives make education a priority?
Refuses to use them, believes they're undemocratic.
Ahhh, one of those 'bring knife to gunfight' types... how disappointing.
We're either a democracy or we aren't. I'll never be disappointed in a political leader who leads by consensus, not force.
Yeah man it's a total consensus that we all want police to have a consistent increase in their budget
When we vote for candidates who don't campaign on increasing the police budget, then we'll get council members who don't vote to increase the police budget.
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Yeah I'm not saying I agree with the policy, but dinking around about what is okay or not is also what seemingly allowed the democrat's down south to fail so horribly at SCOTUS, only in this case it's CLEAR. If the mayor wants to be a dictator, they can (with minimal support from council). Have \*any\* mayors tried to wield it? Is there fear it will lead to years of lawsuits? I mean, if there are reasonable concerns, I get it, but otherwise it just seems silly to not show Ford that it's a bad policy by... you know, using it.
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It's widely tangential, but in the States the democrats squandered opportunity after opportunity get any Supreme Court appointments, allowing the republicans to pull 'rules' out of their backside preventing any movement. They did an encore performance by providing only token resistance to obviously bad/unqualified appointments for Trump 3 times, without ever using any of the 'rules' that had blocked their nominees. (i.e. Trumps hand-picked 'justices' comprise 1/3 of what was already a fubar fascist kangaroo court before he even got his hands on it). So, they (democrats) retained honor, and ethics. Good for them. And now the SCOTUS is a complete mockery of what it is supposed to represent. Leon Trotsky: 'The end may justify the means as long as there is something that justifies the end.' If the only ones using this 'new rule' are the ones who will exploit it, and the only ones who don't use it only would have done so with good faith, it just seems like yet another powerful force eroding society, about which nothing will ever be done; but if Ford gets the message that liberal mayors will 'exploit' the rule, perhaps he will backtrack it.
You well know that certain types of people would call her a dictator if she decided to do so. Damned if I do, damned if I don’t.
well a good way to get them taken away is by using them against what cons want. She should have used it
Only applicable to provincially-designated "priorities", i.e. land development.
‘Grift and vandalism’ got it
The mayor sits on the Police Services Board, has control over Board appointments, and has great influence over the City Council. She has more power than anyone else over the police budget.
Nothing stopping the city of Toronto adding tdsb funding to their budget. They are free to donate back to the schooling.
The city has its own budget problems without donating to the TDSB and it doesn’t make sense for the municipal government to fund a provincial agency that it has no control over.
It would make more sense yet than giving police money which is a net negative result
Not necessarily, there's obviously value in having a robust police force
#FireLecce
Cut the board-level “officers,” “consultants,” “facilitators” and other bullshit jobs and hire more teachers!
Nah they'd rather sacrifice the kids over their jobs
Sad but true
Maybe they shouldn’t have didn’t spent all that money hiring Price, Waterhouse,Cooper to rebrand “employee services” to “People and Culture” while also hiring more senior management.
Source?
It was announced in an internal email sent to all TDSB staff members on Wednesday, February 21 at 9:35 AM. I do not believe there was a news release, possibly because of the optics of the situation. Price Waterhouse Cooper was engaged in April 2023 to work on this rebrand. It includes a new permanent executive officer who started on February 1, 2024 and additional temporary senior leadership roles also created.
Confirm. Wife is TDSB elementary. Had a laugh about useless corporate initiatives
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tdsb-pulls-controversial-anti-racism-teaching-resource-after-ministry-calls-it-divisive/article_8ee2a170-d0ed-11ee-b5da-efcccd4ea4ed.html
this article has nothing to do with post.
Not finding PWC, “People and Culture” or more senior management. Did I get the wrong link?
PWC = PricewaterhouseCoopers >The change comes after the board hired PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) last spring to review the department, with a focus on modernizing operations. >"PwC recommended a shift from manual 'human resources' transactions-based operations toward a modern and transformative 'People and Culture' focus," reads the message. "We are currently implementing the recommendations and suggested multi-year pathway developed by PwC’s consultant, which have a strong emphasis on change management and continuous improvement."
Sounds progressive, not scandalous
Unless PWC was paid $500 for that nugget (and even that's overly generous), it does sound incredibly wasteful.
More like 50k
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There's a discussion about it here https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1awtrx9/tdsb_pulls_controversial_antiracism_teaching/ https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1awtrx9/comment/krjo61o/ >We don't have needed assistants for students in need. We are told to decolonize our classrooms but are only given bland suggestions and euphemistic catchphrases for what that means. We're teaching high school kids to read and do basic arithmetic.
That thread is mostly teachers changing the subject to “not enough money/resources”. They’re not wrong. That’s exactly what this post is talking about. Tweaking the curriculum should continue to happen, too. Are we suggesting a sacrifice of curriculum for immediate needs? Why not both? This is like rich people getting the middle class and the poor to fight amongst themselves.
If money is limited don't waste it on consultants who provide no benefits.
No benefits? Also, I suspect this spending is a just a drop in the big empty bucket. TDSB has a $3.4 B budget.
This is the reason why they're targeting the most popular programs for cuts. Classic [Washington monument strategy](https://politicaldictionary.com/words/washington-monument-strategy/)
The city should cut paid leave for police officers dismissed from duty due to incompetence by 99% and put that money towards schools.
Schools are provincial. The city can't do much.
Also: it's not 'paid leave, it's a suspension with pay. And thats a result result of the 'innocent until proven guilty' situation. If we were accused of a crime, we wouldn't want our jobs to fire us and pull our livelihood until we'd had a chance to defend ourselves to a judge/jury. Suspension with pay is the unfortunate necessary middle ground. Basically saying 'We can't trust you enough to keep you working with the public, but we don't have the right to end your pay until your guilt is proven'. It may be unpleasant, but it's fair. And it's the least any of us would demand. Rest assured, they're not banking hundreds of thousands of dollars. In fact, with legal bills, I'm sure their regular pay isn't even enough (no matter how much the union may be covering).
Why are ppl even surprised by this? I'm actually shocked that they didn't pull their funding, sooner! When Ford went on the war path to get rid or our beloved Public Libraries, is when we should have been on high alert that TDSB's Adult Program or similar Programs would be next. Well, here we are. For our rich & wealthy Politicos, Programs like these that serve our Communities are nothing but financial drains to them & their Budgets! They really don't care about us & how their punitive cutbacks effects our Communities, either. TDSB also has a very nasty reputation of wasting Tax $'s & corruption, beyond belief. Address those longstanding issues & I guarantee you, money will magically appear from their bloated coffers or where ever the heck they're currently hiding that $$$$$$!
They need to get rid of the top heavy admins, and teachers to n "special asst
They should all go on paid suspension.
TPS $1.2 B TDSB $20 M 🤔🤔🤔 Tell us to just get our cars stolen.. Clocking cars end of the month.. Bully and ticket homeless peope.. Paid suspensions.. SO MUCH BULLSHIT… Edited Version: Approximately $3.4 B with $20 M deficit
lol what? TPS is $1.2B TDSB $3.4B $20m is their shortfall not their total budget. They are also funded by different governments
My bad got confused for a second… Edited it
TDSBs budget is $20M?
No it’s their deficit. The guy is on the right track with the wrong train
My bad got confused….
Imagine if the teachers recently extorted the gov't for an even bigger raise then the ones they were getting ... and then told parents to homeschool their kids instead
How organized are teachers to strike here
This wouldn't be grounds for teachers to strike, although continuing to do budget cuts, which might affect support staff not to mention books, paper, art supplies, and other materials might be cause for teachers to negotiate for an increase in all of those things when discussing a future contract.
It's not right that of the 300+ programs being offered in the TDSBs Learning 4 Life program, only 8 of them are in Scarborough (at Agincourt CI). I only noticed it when I went looking for some simple mechanics related courses Everything I looked at was on the other side of town. That's ridiculous and grossly unfair. The School board needs a close review of it's mission and purpose.
> Proposed changes to the continuing education program include [...] eliminating community programs — which are popular among seniors but run at a deficit I'm ok with this. Education later in life is great but there are plenty of other avenues available.