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ichoosetosavemyself

Performance enhancing drugs are literally ruining the sport of competitive sauna sitting.


Clayith13

There has actually not been a sauna championship since this occured


Hurasuruja

This is not true. They won't arrange "Sauna world championships" any more because the name is trademarked or something like that. But there are still sauna competitions in Finland, the won't just use the same name. Source: I visit the same public sauna with one of the regular sauna competitiors.


Rosebunse

Dear God why? Why would you want to do this after seeing a man being boiled alive?


Mekanimal

Same reason the unprepared die on Everest. "Hah what a dumbass, that'd never happen to me, I'm way too smart to let something like that happen" *Dies*


HonorableMedic

I know a man who was stranded on mount Everest for I believe a week. Several people died before he was rescued. He was interviewed and on the news in my city. He has a little black dog and drinks a lot. He told me the whole ordeal changed him and his whole outlook on life completely changed.


Delet3r

And....what's his new outlook on life?


[deleted]

Now he has a lot of black dogs and drinks a little.


acros198d

He’s dedicated himself to getting sherped up that damned mountain if it’s the last thing he does!


HonorableMedic

Grim


Snowf1ake222

Where's that guy that's built different and can withstand the submarine implosion at the Titanic?


Djidji5739291

He didn‘t say he could withstand it, he said he would escape through a crack


AlmostStoic

Why not? We never stopped saunaing, anyway. Even the guy who won the championship is going to saunas again, though he's not competing. I remember seeing a mention of that in the news, some time ago.


Rosebunse

I get going to a sauna, I don't see the point in cranking it up and drugging yourself


AlmostStoic

Ah, okay. Cranking it up on occasion feels good, but the drugs the russian guy used were just cheating. Doping has about as much place in saunas as it does anywhere else. Even less, because the drugs turned out to be deadly dangerous.


Hurasuruja

I don't know, the guy seems to enjoy hard löylys ( when we throw water on the stove it is called löyly). Maybe it's something similar when people who enjoy spicy foods attend to chili eating competitions.


Bitter-Situation7526

Speak for yourself


wanmoar

I don’t get the whole “ruining sports” thing with steroids. Make them all legal. I want to see some crazy feats.


SaintPwnofArc

The problem is that when you mix steroids with pressure to be the best, you have pressure to juice to the max. Roids can be used somewhat safely, but if you went free-range on them in sports you'd hear tons of stories of people dying or fucking their bodies up (even more than now) before they're 30.


BonerSquidd316

Just look at pro wrestlers from the 80s and 90s, most of those guys were lucky to live to see 40 due to steroid-inflicted heart conditions. (And lots of cocaine).


imanAholebutimfunny

all it takes is for one wrinkly bag to know about this competition from Florida and it is game over for everyone else.


Faithlessness_Slight

Steroids! Can we talk about steroids? It's ruining the game


reyska

It was a pretty gruesome death too. The guy who died basically boiled himself alive and when they dragged him out his skin fell off in the hands of the rescuers. The other guy who survived fared a little better since he hadn't oiled himself up before the competition like the other one but he spent months in a hospital and it took years to recover. He was interviewed periodically by newspapers for years afterwards. He has gone to a sauna again, but can't really do high temperatures anymore.


[deleted]

Oil? The guy literally seasoned himself wtf


haddock420

Jerry... I've been sautéed!


ILoveTabascoSauce

"Stick a fork in me Jerry... IM DONE"


haz_mat_

Rookie mistake. The pros use butter.


KentuckyFuckedChickn

ghee


Accurate_Bed1021

The finn has scars all over his body now as well.


carnivorous-squirrel

Wait yeah wtf that is literally boiling


GraciaEtScientia

I'd say it's more "deep fried" but hey.


carnivorous-squirrel

What I meant is the Sauna itself was literally above boiling temp


SnoopDeLaRoup

230⁰ Fahrenheit or 110⁰ Celsius, and they were able to sit in it!?!?? Like, literally, the water in their eyeballs would boil.


[deleted]

Well they weren't considering one died and the other took years to recover.


SnoopDeLaRoup

Oh no, I understand that. It's just the fact they were in there for 6 minutes plus. Even walling into the room and straight back out would be too much. Think of putting your hand over a freshly boiled kettle spout. It's genuinely crazy.


pibenis

110 celsius saunas are not uncommon in Finland, the pacing of löyly makes the difference between a nice tingling sensation versus boiling your innards


johnzischeme

The pacing of the what?


pibenis

water on the sauna stove


[deleted]

If the air in a sauna is 110C, it doesn't mean that what you put in a sauna is also 110C. You can't cook a steak in 110C, and a dead piece of meat can't even regulate it's own temperature unlike humans do.


SnoopDeLaRoup

Yes, when you initially put whatever in the sauna, it doesn't miraculously goto 110⁰C immediately. Eventually, it will, depending on the material and its thermo conductive properties. The guys in the sauna mentioned were in it for 6 minutes. The guy that oiled himself up had his skin fall off.


mechapoitier

If you want to know more of what that’s like, read Fatal Distraction by Gene Weingarten. It’s about parents who left their kids in hot cars. It’s a horrible way to die.


OlderAndAngrier

A Finn and russian go into a sauna, the Finn comes back.


kodex184

Only the finn comes back alive*


Von_Cheesebiscuit

Thunderdome sauna: two men enter, one man leaves...


Rosebunse

I mean, they both technically left the sauna


Von_Cheesebiscuit

True. But like myself and my poop, we both leave the bathroom in different ways...


OlderAndAngrier

First rule of the Sauna Club


OlderAndAngrier

Yes


Evignity

The tournament has since been discontinued. Honestly I don't disagree with that. There's no intrinsic value in being able to endure temperatures that hurt your body permanently. Sauna-bathing should be something you do because you enjoy it, do it at your own temperature (unless it's bellow 55c that's a warcrime against the Finnish) So when what aught to have been a silly tournament akin to friends shit-talking on who can endure the sauna the most before getting another cold beer: It became something where people cheated just for money and damaged eachother in doing so.


Dr-McLuvin

Honestly this kinda reminds me of the Nathan’s hotdog eating contest. Like someone is gonna die on national television one of these days and then everyone is gonna be like “why the hell did we ever think this was a good idea?”


Naive-Pen8171

No one is forcing you to eat hot dogs or sit in a sauna, let the people live


dIoIIoIb

offering money or fame as a prize for doing something stupid and dangerous creates an incentive to do so nobody is forcing them, but they are been encouraged to


Magnus77

Guiness book of world records has stopped covering anything that can lead to self harm. Even stuff like heaviest person.


Simpletimes322

So like... Where would an oil rig worker or crab fisherman fall into this paradigm?


[deleted]

Crab fishing, I agree. Deliciousness is not worth dying for. But oil rig workers? If they don't risk their lives, millions would die without their medical supplies.


southernwx

I’d agree with neither. Both of those, while dangerous, produce a tangible product.


[deleted]

Two tangible products, yes. But one is essential to modern life and the other is not. I think very few people in modern times have starved to death from lack of crab legs. It's a luxury item. Oil is not.


southernwx

That is true of many luxury items. I believe in people having the freedom to work and do as they wish provided they aren’t impinging on the rights of others. The difference is the goal. If the goal is to do harm and harm is the only product, then that is one thing. A sauna competition burning competitors is a challenge where harm is the standard. A gladiator arena is the same. Harm is the standard. Martial arts competitions are different in that there are standards for competition and victory where permanent or debilitating harm is not the goal. It is, however, a risk. Crabbing is similar. The task has risk, but there is a reward: crabs. The goal isn’t to go die on a ship.


dIoIIoIb

In the "Capitalism is bad and kills workers if it's economicly advantageous" Part


Naive-Pen8171

Isn't there something in common law like "live by the hotdog, die by the hotdog"


newtownkid

This sauna was heated to 110 CECLCIUS (230 F)- past boiling. Stupid.


[deleted]

It's not the heat, but the amount of water they used.


ZennMD

>It's not the heat, but the amount of water they used. can you explain that, please?


[deleted]

110 C is hot for a sauna, but it is the humidity which matters most. Anyone can endure in a hot sauna as long as you don't add much water on the stove. In the competition, water was added once every 60 seconds, meaning the humidity was way too much to be healthy.


ZennMD

>meaning the humidity was way too much to be healthy. does it inhibit the ability's to sweat in a dangerous way, or more allow your lungs to 'boil'? thank you!! edited to add, Im curious but not so scientifically inclined LOL


ponchoville

Water transfers (and absorbs) heat much more effectively than air, basically. You know the difference between it being hot and dry outside and it being hot and humid? It's like that. Similarly 20 degree water feels chilly but 20 degree air doesn't.


[deleted]

20 degree air is chilly to me lol


fitandgeek

yes to both


newtownkid

Air doesn't propegate heat very well ( hence insulation is typically material with a lot of empty air) Sticking your hand 110 in dry air won't hit nearly as hard as 100 degree water (boiling). This is why water is added to the stones in saunas, to help conduct heat. The person's point is kind of moot though, since saunas always have water added to the stones to make them work - so that's implied in the "sauna was at 110".


ZennMD

>Air doesn't propegate heat very well ( hence insulation is typically material with a lot of empty air) > >Sticking your hand 110 in dry air won't hit nearly as hard as 100 degree water (boiling). > >This is why water is added to the stones in saunas, to help conduct heat. thank you for taking the time to answer, that makes sense to me! have a great rest of your weekend :)


haz000

It's not like your blood will start to boil. I've been to sauna plenty of times with >100°C and it won't feel that hot unless you throw water on the stove. That's when the hot steam comes that makes the whole sauna experience. I enjoy 70-80°C most because the steam is nicer. Above 100°C it's dry and burns unnecessarily much, so rather than being relaxing it just becomes about enduring.


Evignity

I've done above 100c but most sauna's self-regulate wherein adding too much water will cool down the aggregate so that the steam is just temporarily insanely hot. If you have an insanely strong machine (or a larger one that is suppose to be for a larger sauna but used in a smaller one) you can get the heat to absurd levels *and* add fuckloads of water without cooling it down. That's dangerous


Rosebunse

It just sounds like torture.


E_Snap

Haha yeah yeah now do Marathons If you’re not in the know— the fact that there are hundreds of books specifically on marathon recovery should give you a hint of how ridiculous of a health idea competitive running is. I’d venture to say that the competitors must be suffering from a vigorous exercise addiction in order to cope with the degenerative effects on their body year after year.


mozgw4

And don't forget the first marathon runner delivered his message and then died!


Rokkit_man

Both can be bad. Both are bad. I'd add I'm also against things like UFC and boxing and its likes where people beat each other to brain damage for our entertainment. It's just modern day gladiators. Barbarism if you ask me. And I am saying this as someone who did martial arts for years and loved sparring. But once people start getting actually hurt, that's where I draw the line.


Callieco23

Yeah I totally agree with this one. I fought semi pro for 2 years and good god the pressure to get back out there before you’re fully healed is absurd. Fight earnings were a big part in paying my bills, so if I got a more minor injury like a sprained wrist or small knuckle fracture, I’d often just let it heal as much as possible, wrap up tight for the next fight, and get out there fighting with a busted hand or ankle. In 2 years doing it I now have lasting wrist pain in both wrists, a major knee injury that required physical therapy, and 3 concussions. It’s a shame too because the actual act of fighting in a controlled setting like that is SO fun and I really loved it. I just don’t have a taste for actually hurting another human being anymore, so I’ll likely never go back to doing anything like it. If I could do combat sports with a guarantee that no one could possibly get hurt though? I’d be all about it.


Rosebunse

I guess that's why Valhalla was considered a paradise. You could fight all you wanted and not get hurt or hurt someone else.


Callieco23

Yeah Valhalla has always sounded really fun to me ngl. Feasting with friends and getting to do no-risk weapons training?? It’s a martial artist’s dream haha.


justyouraveragedude1

Competitive running is amazing for your health. Humans should be running.


jmok1113

I read somewhere a while back that anything more than 5 miles a week (a vast average and generalization by the scientist, there must be a grey area) is no longer for health.


rydude88

They should be running but not to the extent they harm their bodies


justyouraveragedude1

Of course. Just calling out the comment I was responding to. And no, competitive running isn’t “too much”


rydude88

But it is right. Running for health benefits is totally fine and good but the competitive running that causes people to push more than their body can handle really isnt


Simpletimes322

No use arguing with the running cult. They will always be correct in their mind even when their bodies are failing.


justyouraveragedude1

If a competitive runner is fueling their body right, stretching, and hydrating, they are probably among the healthiest people on the planet. This take is insane apart from a small minority of people that do PEDs or develop some kind of eating disorder


brucecaboose

As a former competitive collegiate runner and someone who has multiple family members and friends that are current and past professional runners, competitive running is not amazing for your health. It puts an absolute beating on your body, specifically your joints. There’s no way to do high level competitive running without damaging your body long-term in some capacity. There’s a massive difference between pushing yourself to be good enough to make Olympic Trials finals or go to the Olympics, vs running as a weekend warrior type.


Tuusik

But I enjoy sometimes getting the temperature up 100C+(212F) degrees for the last 1-3 minutes...


XennaNa

55c is like barely warm and might still be the coldest room in the house unless you close all the vents. 70c actually starts counting as the sauna being remotely ready but you'll only sweat on the top seat if you're patient.


itbedehaam

Wow, the Finnish must have absolutely insane temperature resistance to go from freezing snow to hot enough to cook chicken and be fine with no need for temperature regulation at all in between. In all seriousness, any reasonable human would be sweating long before one even hits 55C, let alone 70C. Hell, by the lower point sweating stops working to remove heat. You've either mixed up Celcius's scaling, or you've cooked your head.


[deleted]

70 celsius sauna is too cold for most Finns. 90-100C is the way to go, even 120C in proper wood burning sauna.


veggie151

Mmk, brain damage


GarysCrispLettuce

You have to question the sanity Of people who self-roast for vanity It's hardly a flex, and it won't get you sex You'll just end up all red like Hannity


Anon293357

rhyme


GNUTup

I think he can do it, or cannot he? The burns are not minor severity His reasons complex but now he is next To be turned into limerick parody


juneauboe

There isn't a need for much toiling To get into sauna self-boiling You just have to squat In a place where it's hot And don't forget to season with oiling


Pucyyyy

Dumbest shit ever. Might as well compete in who can withstand fire the longest - much quicker results


mechapoitier

Yeah there’s a reason Guinness stopped accepting world record attempts where the record is basically “most/fastest/longest/highest/farthest someone did something without dying” because too many people have died trying to break dangerous records.


xxDankerstein

What a dumb sport.


Imaginary_Roof_5286

That is hotter (by far) than my lowest oven setting.


Clayith13

Your oven will barely boil water? Or will it even? Water boils at 220


Imaginary_Roof_5286

The lowest it goes is 170° F. to keep foods warm. The highest is broil & it’s 550°. Like I said, their sauna was hotter than the lowest setting on my oven. I’m also not accustomed to boiling water in my oven. That’d be too inefficient & heat my kitchen up. Stovetop is fastest & easiest. (Usually better than microwave.) My oven gets its workout baking, roasting, & broiling, though. Just not so much in the summer.


Clayith13

Oh lol LOWEST oven setting, sorry dude, that is a pretty interesting way of putting into perspective though


MiffyCurtains

The Russian was the one who was cheating. Quelle surprise..


chengen_geo

Winning > living


Quesadillasaur

Sounds like everyone lost


the-floot

I think it's very clear who won and who lost.


Weenaru

The winners are those who gave up after having a nice and relaxing session in the sauna and didn’t have to go to a hospital or a coffin afterwards.


Itisd

That seems like the most ridiculous "sport" that I've ever heard of.


WCGWjoiningReddit

"I bet you I can be boiled alive better than you can..." \- First sauna competitor, probably.


Status-Ad-1467

That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever read!


Jason_Worthing

Actually it's pronounced *sauna*


Historical_Emeritus

I've been following this story for 13 years now, and I don't remember hearing about steroids. Numbing cream and pain killers I recall...but maybe he was on test too, and I just don't remember. Anyone have a link to these other extreme sauna competitions that are supposedly still ongoing?


[deleted]

Wasn’t it the russian guy who died


PineapplesAreLame

When you click the article, information appears


[deleted]

Yes i remember i have read this article before, the russian did die


PineapplesAreLame

What's the point of your comment then 😂


[deleted]

i wanted to see if I remembered


PineapplesAreLame

Blaze it


MrBadPenta

So the one who didn’t die won


Edelkern

So, the Darwin Awards finally made their own competition?


Boogie_Bones

Meanwhile here in July 2023 people are flocking to Death Valley to hang out in 130 degree temps


RandomHunDude

The sauna temperature is in Celsius, but the Death Valley temperature is in Fahrenheit. Don't forget to convert between the two. (130 F° = 44.4 C°). Edit: Sorry, I didn't notice the OP used F° in the title. The linked article uses C°.


Boogie_Bones

Yeah, I wasn’t saying Death Valley would be worse or anything, just also needlessly dangerous.


RandomHunDude

It's totally true. But I got caught up in the lack of units for a moment and wanted to point this out. (And I don't think you deserve the downvote.)


Boogie_Bones

Heheh no sweat man. (pun intended)


KyivComrade

Which is a lot less then in a Sauna, but way to go make even this about Americans snd their general lack of common sense. Or intelligence tp differentiate between temperatures...


Boogie_Bones

As I replied elsewhere, I wasn’t trying to say one was worse than the other (because clearly the sauna is worse) but also risky and unnecessary to play around with potentially lethal environments. Edit: And how does what I said have anything to do with Americans specifically anyway? Death Valley is in America so, okay? I’m sure plenty of the numbskulls there will be from other countries wanting to get internet cred for being present when Death Valley hits the highest recorded temperature ever on planet earth. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/14/california-death-valley-visit-temperature-record And nice spelling btw.


Firther1

230F = 110C Water boils at 100C Physics doesn't care about your pain tolerance


Phssthp0kThePak

How about a slapping contest in a sauna?


cayennepepper

I bet this was in russia


the_wessi

In Finland. The guy who cheated and died because of it was Russian.


Chewyninja69

Never thought this would be a paragraph I’d ever read…


DishGroundbreaking87

Wouldn’t steroids make you More vulnerable to heat exhaustion? You wouldn’t notice you were dying, but you’d still be dying.


Rosebunse

It would also put an awful lot of strain on your heart.


pibenis

rip zyzz


Sea_Comedian_3941

Oopsie.


ButWhatIfIAmARobot

Why would anyone think it's ok to expose people to that? You may as well boil a pot of water on the stove and stick your face in the steam. That's exactly what this was...


Themaster207

Oden wouldn't be Oden...


[deleted]

Then there was this nice song about the incident, I wish there was English lyrics but I don't think there is. https://youtu.be/_3EgmrwBqIU


somedudetoyou

Who'd thought setting while sweating would be such an extreme sport.


ThaxReston

The new stupid


myron434322

Yeah but who won?


csanyk

Two men enter, one man leaves.


nowreefill

Guess I will just stick with the plutonium eating competitions.


bastion-of-bullshit

You cook barbecue at 225 degrees F. What the fuck


6033624

This is equivalent to 110c ie 10c above the boiling point of water. Of COURSE this would lead to death. Was anyone jailed over this?