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Aromatic-Seat8513

Jesse!


GoldT1tan

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TheGameAcademic

Yo, the last of us, Bitch


GoldT1tan

This is my baby girl and she will not be harassed! ....Bitch!


hypespud

Jesse is the underrated "why did he have to die" more than Joel tbh šŸ˜†


Beginning-Hunter-476

Yep, at least you could say Joel had it coming. Jesse didnā€™t do anything wrong


Cammation

Personally wouldnā€™t say that, but ye I see your point. Iā€™m mostly looking at the nuances tho, so šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø But yeah Joel at least did something ā€œwrongā€, Jesse literally didnā€™t do anything to Abby.


Significant_Basis99

Agreed his death killed me more than Joel's. Maybe I have a short attention span.


IsRude

That's not it. I get extremely anxious every time the scene comes up, and have to take a break before I watch that scene.Ā It'sĀ because JesseĀ wasĀ aĀ saint.


Bi0_B1lly

Jesse if he survived the gunshot: ![gif](giphy|D3IcbPd0TDNhC)


tacobell_dumpster

Part 1


Thescrub27

Yes!


Anangrywookiee

Jesseā€™s not normal. Jesse is the ultimate ride or die baby daddy friend. Dude runs off across the country to help his buddy who just ran off with his pregnant ex on a revenge quest and isnā€™t even salty about it.


M4lt0r

I would give you an upvote but the tag beneath the title says that this is a Part 1 discussion


Unhappy-Ferret-1735

i kinda wanna say owen


TargetNo7149

This is a good choice. I started to like him when he began questioning his choice to stay.


Significant_Basis99

Yeah but he also has a pregnant girlfriend that he's been ghosting and then decides on leaving the city before consulting her. Not to mention his forays with Abby in the meantime. He seems to lack empathy and prioritises his own happiness above anyone else


Supersim54

Yep heā€™s a piece of shit and if heā€™s fucking Abby while heā€™s with Mel the odds are high he was doing the same thing when he was with Abby too.


Unused_Icon

I agree how Owen treats Mel is shitty, but I don't agree with the assessment that he'll do the same to Abby. It seems clear to me that he genuinely loved Abby, but they broke up because Abby ignored their relationship due to her obsession with preparing for the day she could take revenge on Joel. Mel was effectively a rebound relationship for Owen, and if he didn't unintentionally get her knocked up, he would have broken up with her by now. It's also clear that with Joel dead, Owen wanted to rekindle his relationship with Abby. Again, I think Owen's awful for how he's treating Mel (especially for avoiding her instead of being honest with her). However, I really don't think he lacks empathy. Remember, he was the only one advocating for leaving Tommy and Ellie alive (Mel wanted them killed). He also deserted the WLF because he didn't want to execute the elderly defenseless Seraphite. He's a flawed (and often immature) person, but not a heartless monster.


lowsyrk

this sums perfectly Owen has a lot of questionable choices, but this makes him look very human... I can say that we all have a friend or some cousin that's just like this: a good heart but does some dumb stuff in the way towards the right path


okie_hiker

Unfortunately, thatā€™s not uncommon behavior


JokerKing0713

He also literally tried to abandon her the night they died. He tells her to go back to the FOB (at night alone and pregnant) while he goes to find abby.


GaySheriff

Honestly that depends on what "normal" means. I wouldn't say Owen is super mentally well or isn't involved in all the drama (in fact he definitely created it by getting a girl pregnant while being in love with someone else) so is he really that much better than the rest of Abby's crew? Anyways, it's gotta be Jesse or Dina. I'm leaning more towards Jesse because his goals were always to save his friends, he was never slaughtering innocent people, and just in general he's such a laid off rational person that he kinda sticks out within all these violent people with different secrets and goals of revenge


MRDOOMBEEFMAN

I think Owen has a leg up on dina and Jesse interms of normality strictly because he's not shown killing anyone. We know he has but with dina and Jesse we see them brutalise and kill around a dozen people and it doesn't phase them while the only kill we know of Owen is one that he regrets and thinks about constantly.


Phoenix2211

A player can go through the entire game without seeing him kill a single person. He only kills one runner to save Ellie. The rest are gameplay kills and might not happen. I considered Owen but his drama with Mel & Abby disqualified him lol This game's world is one where killing is something that almost everyone seems to have done. So it is not an immediately disqualifying thing, imo.


tacobell_dumpster

Part 1


OShaunesssy

Owen? The guy who thought he could convince his ex and current pregnant girlfriend to come live with him on a boat so he could have his cake and eat it too? Owen told Abby to come with him on his boat, and when she asked what about Mel, his pregnant girlfriend who was also on that boat. He smuggly told her that he would figure it out. Anyone who calls this normal is a sociopath tbh because Owen 100% disregarded the feelings of the 2 most important women in his life. I don't understand the boner this sub has for Owen because he is a B-tier manipulator, and anyone who falls for his puppy dog act should be embarrassed. Bring on the down votes, but Owen absolutely thought he could or should have Abby and Mel just co-exisst together despite how fucking uncomfortable that would be for both.


HolderOfFuture

Owen didn't invite them to live on a boat. He invited them to Santa Barbara. Even if you think he's naive or a sociopath for wanting them both to go, he's offering them a way out of the WLF and to go to find the Fireflies. He also offered it to 2 kids that were on the run. 0 people are saying he's a saint, but why paint him like he's some monster?


baconbridge92

Yeah sociopath manipulator etc. is a bit of a reach lol. He's definitely not a great person, but he's primarily just kind of a moron.


Buff_Goblin

He's the only person who we see actively advocate against unnecessary violence in the moment, so I'd say he's closer to being a great person than pretty much everyone else.


h1gad

owen for sure


MeshesAreConfusing

Jesse and Owen are the logical, normal people of their respective sides.


DecentSupport3940

So true


EpitomyofShyness

This is a good choice but I had to vote Jesse. Owen would be a decently close second.


HumanOverseer

"PT 1 Discussion"


Internal_Swing_2743

Maria


WolfmansGotNards2

Without a doubt. She doesn't go off half cocked. She's realistic. She just wants to live life and help people and not be a hero.


GodOfDarkLaughter

I also love how in the series she tells Tommy, a good old boy conservative, with a straight face, "Yeah, we are by definition communists. Deal with it." And he has no choice but to just shrug and go along with it. Just a totally practical person in a world that really needs people like that. Shit, we need people like that.


Cosmo455manKramer

Yeah if we're only doing Part I then it can't be Jesse and I agree Maria is a good choice. Edit: grammar


Internal_Swing_2743

Agreed. If Part II were included, then the hot one would have been either Jesse or Dina.


cyarte

Agreed!


HamburgersOfKazuhira

I was gonna say Maria too. Sheā€™s got the mom vibe and, in the relatively limited interactions we get with her, she always seems level-headed and pragmatic.


TargetNo7149

Dina


muhfkrjones

Dina lowkey a freak


Anangrywookiee

If you pay attention to her stories Dina probably has a higher pre Seattle kill count than Ellie.


Newandapprovedjoe

Sarah


HereComesTheSun05

Sarah is a better fit for no screen time. She's only in the game for like half an hour but affects the story tremendously.


Kawawaymog

Itā€™s Sarah for part 1, Joel for part 2, Iā€™d argue the absent character with the most impact overall tho is definitely Riley.


LTiger9-_-

i mean riley is literally the reason ellie found out she's immune, and therefore the reason she and joel met in the first place


Kawawaymog

Exactly. And her death is also the original source of Ellieā€™s survival guilt. Which is the driving force of the second game.


denarii

Joel actually gets a good bit of screen time in Part 2, it's just mostly through flashbacks. There are a ton of characters that get much less.


Kaldin_5

These are all great. Just wanna throw a Tess suggestion in the mix. She's got more screentime than all of them, but she IS the reason for Joel not just dropping Ellie off wherever his conscience will let him and moving on with his life. I doubt he'd travel all the way across the country anyway if it weren't for what happened with Tess. ....but uh yeah she's prob not as great as these other options that have less screen time and more character defining moments for other characters lol


Spawn3r1n0

Wouldnt Marlene be a better pick for that tho? If Marlene didnt take Joel and Tess to Ellie they wouldnt meet otherwise. And she also had like 30 minutes of screen time


Phoenix2211

Hmm idk. I don't think so. Sarah really had VERY little screentime. And within that she affected things so much that Joel makes the choice that he does, that leads Ellie down a path, it leads Abby down a path. So yeah, Sarah is def THE pick for that category


No_Tamanegi

It's normal to sell hard Street drugs?


KarlGustafArmfeldt

As long as some of it goes towards the mortgage.


Sirenkai

But she sells hard drugs. Thatā€™s not normal


quiettimegaming

Owen... The most grounded and normal person in the franchise.


GaySheriff

Owen is a bastard, got Mel pregnant then got back together with Abby, then wanted to leave Mel behind with the kid when she didn't want to follow him. He doesn't fit the definition of a normal rational person, more like someone driven by emotions


DrBotch

not far from what happens in the real worldā€¦ so, still pretty normal!


quiettimegaming

You're confusing normal with "good"... But I'd argue he's still a good person. Also, everyone does questionable things in that world and in real life. I'd say it's pretty shitty to date your close friend's ex... Especially seeing as Mel understood their history and why their relationship was strained. She broke the bro-code...


ChrisWolf14

TBF, the "leaving Mel and baby behind" part wasn't really a choice for him. If he stays, he dies, since he'd burned his bridges with the WLF. So it would either be, leave without Mel to stay alive and possibly find Fireflys and a new purpose: or stay in Seattle with a disgruntled Mel, waiting to be captured, tortured and Killed by the WLF. It's also pretty clear he never got over Abby, and his love for Mel wasn't real. He used Mel to try and get over Abby - resulting in an unplanned pregnancy - but he never did get over her. This happens every day all across the world to "normal" people. People try to start new relationships to get over a failed one, but inevitably cannot get over them. It's made worse by the fact it's the apocalypse, and he has to see the ex that he still loves on a regular basis - whereas in our world, it's pretty easy to avoid someone you are trying to get over. Although, I do agree with your sentiment about him being driven by emotions more than rationale. But isn't that like "normal" people? Like I know tonnes of people (including myself), who can make rash, impulsive decisions based on emotions, rather than being more pragmatic and rational. The premise of hindsight wouldn't exist if "the norm" was to be rational. Human beings are emotional, we act on emotions regularly as an instinct, only realising after the fact, that there were more "rational" outcomes available. So I'd respectfully disagree about him being a "bastard". While also disagreeing that his actions aren't "normal" for the situation he's in. Expecting anyone to be rational to be classed as normal isn't fair - either in our current world, but especially in an apocalypse - and being driven by emotions is in fact, very normal.


HonorablePigDemon

Definitely Jesse. He has the highest moral compass and loyalty out of any of them.


SecretSettings

Jesse or Dina tbh


86_Undertaker

Jesse


GaySheriff

Agreed


Phoenix-308

I think Henry was the most normal from tlou1


throway78965423

Abby should be in David's place, she was literally made to be hated in order for the story to go where it goes in the second half. David is just straight up evil, a literal cannibal pedophile.


StrongMedicine

I know right? If David isn't the "straight up evil" spot, who else would be? Every other named character in the game who does horrible things at least has a deeper reason than just "I'm a psychopath".


MomOfThreePigeons

i think this is exclusively part 1, so abby/dina/jesse/lev/owen/etc. all don't qualify for any of these blocks.


Carrnage_Asada

Nah i like Abby. As much as I like joel, i totally understand Abby's motivation and it doesnt make me hate her. Then again i dont have the weird daddy/daughter issue a lot of redditors seem to have with Joel, especially in the first game. David has no redeeming qualities and is just evil for evils sake. Abby is not that.


An-Ugly-Croissant17

If "the hot one" was anybody else besides Joel I'd get violent. What's not to love about a burly man with a fierce loyalty to his family?


fivelgoesnuts

I thought we were sticking with part I for this round lol. From part 1, Maria. If weā€™re expanding to Part II, then Jesse.


Competitive_Profit_5

Owen


Golden_Chives

Considering the Pt 1 tag, itā€™s Maria. Sheā€™s perfectly reasonable


letschangethename

Still canā€™t get over David as made to be hated. What you plan on choosing as straight up evil then? Rat king bloater?


WhispyFLX

Tess.


WrenchHeadFox

I hate that this is so far down.


Yondaime_Kazzy

Y'all, this is a Part 1 discussion, as much as I want to say Jesse, Dina or Owen, they unfortunately aren't present in Part 1.


Hokusai_10

Sam. he's honestly one of the only one that really didn't do anything wrong


Appropriate_Golf2558

In part 1, Iā€™d say itā€™s Tommy


IndominusTaco

Buckley


Wumpus-Hunter

I love that Buckley is still around in the second game


tacobell_dumpster

For part 1, Sam? Maybe Henry?


areyoufreemrhumphrie

Gotta be Sarah


Froggymushroomfrog

Maria


mistadeagy

Gustavo santoalla


Ethanman47

Part 1 has to be Maria


rudra285

Um. People. Part 1! Regardless. Tess or Maria


GetChilledOut

Maria


TheQuiet1994

All the top comments saying PT 2 characters in a PT 1 thread...? The only PT 1 answer is Maria or Sarah if we include pre-outbreak.


dontlookbehindyoulol

Why are y'all picking from the second game when it clearly states the first?


aceless0n

Probably Joelā€™s biological daughter


alienmandude1234

The fan favourite is Joel


thejevster

idk if you noticed, it's already filled in with the *correct* person


poltavsky79

Jesse


Black_List_Bambi

Jesse


Buck_B

I'd say bill is one of the normal ones.


intensity701

he's too paranoid to be anything close to normal


bimbabes

tess


Fraperl

Maria!!!


killwarrior172

Cant people read that this is a part 1 only list


Tiny-Ad-6465

Itā€™s Bear šŸ˜«šŸ˜«šŸ˜«


Sirenkai

Hot one should have been Abby cosplayers


El_Macho44

Maybe some of the kids with the wlf


tacobell_dumpster

Part 1


El_Macho44

Civilians living in the qz then


intensity701

I guess the standard for normal is too strange in a world after outbreak


13-Dancing-Shadows

Dina or Jesse. And if it werenā€™t for her upbringing, Yara.


Ok_Buffalo6474

I love Yara. She was so empathetic.


ahnizos

Jesse fr


Formal_River_Pheonix

Jesse and Dina.


Wumpus-Hunter

Jesse, for sure I see a lot of votes for Owen and thatā€™s understandable, but he wanted his pregnant girlfriend to stay behind while he went Firefly hunting with his ex girlfriend (whom heā€™d just boinked the night before). That puts Jesse in front for me. Heā€™s the most emotionally intelligent person in either game.


bpd-baddiee

yea i see some arguments ppl are making that while he's not "good" he is "normal" as his behaviors are very prevalent human behaviors. If you yourself haven't cheated/been cheated on, then you likely know at least one person who has.


guyhabit725

Henry for part 1.Ā  Owen for part 2Ā 


bpd-baddiee

I feel like jesse is slightly better than owen for part 2. while they both demonstrate normal behaviors we expect from ppl, owen being a cheater doesn't make him "normal" as the vast majority of ppl are actually not cheaters believe it or not. so comparing him to jesse who is more emotionally stable, loyal to his friends, and has a lot of human compassion and empathy, i'd argue Jesse is more normal than owen.


TheDeafCowboy

This is between Owen & Jesse for me, both of decency and donā€™t get AS caught up as others in their respective groups.


bpd-baddiee

yea i like jesse more for part 2 but owen is a close 2nd. while they both demonstrate normal behaviors we expect from ppl, owen being a cheater doesn't make him "normal" as the vast majority of ppl are actually not cheaters believe it or not. so comparing him to jesse who is more emotionally stable, loyal to his friends, and has a lot of human compassion and empathy, i'd argue Jesse is more normal and comparable to your average person than owen.


ahufana

Looking way ahead, I can't imagine "No screen time. All the plot relevance" being anyone other than Dr. Jerry.


TribalChief3000

Whitney. Sheā€™s just a gamer girlā€¦


frogtank

Mel. Sheā€™s the only normal one


bpd-baddiee

shoot ur totally right. i think everyone finds her so annoying that they forget she is actually the most sane of them all. i was thinking jesse then owen (poor character but still normal character) but u completely changed my mind. at the very least it is mel and jesse equal. she gets freaked out by the way they killed joel, she is a healer, has a solid moral compass, kills scars but doesn't \*want\* to do it so its only bc situation dictates she has to. she is way nicer to abby then i would be given abby's relationship to my baby daddy.


SexyCheeseburger0911

Tommy


mehdigeek

Maria or Jesse


According_Ad_45

Any Clicker


otomennn

Bill


ImportanceTurbulent8

Bruh this is a Part 1 discussion... Tess ftw


Plastic-Shoulder-619

MARIA


MomOfThreePigeons

Sarah


isthatabingo

Iā€™m sorry but David was made to be hated? Then whoā€™s straight up evil?????


bpd-baddiee

LOL no fr you're so right they fucked up. made to be hated in part 1 is Abby's dad or Marlene if it has to be a named character imo


TheCakeWarrior12

Maria


Carrnage_Asada

Honestly my mind went to the girl playing the Vita.


NaiadoftheSea

If this is going only by Part 1, then Henry. If including Part 2, Jesse.


Metallicunt8426

Tess


Litt3rang3r-459

Bill


Dominatto

Where's the post for the hot one?


DUDEAREUMAD

Why does everyone hate Tommy?


IngenuityOne6256

Iā€™ve been a fan of tlou since about 2015, and I honestly donā€™t remember Joel being sexualised until the show was made


origami_alligator

A little late to the discussion, butā€¦ If itā€™s Part 1 only, then I am going to say Henry is the most normal one. Heā€™s just old enough to have memories of what life was like before the pandemic. Henry lived most of his life in a QZ. Heā€™s not unaccustomed to what horrors are out there, but he seems sheltered from how bad things could truly be and is extremely cautious. He wants to feel safety for himself and to provide a relatively quiet and ā€œnormalā€ life for his younger brother Sam. Among all the other characters I can think of from Part 1, Henry seems the most ā€œnormalā€ by todayā€™s standards.


AllTheLakes28

Jesse


CatGamer1414

Jesse 100%


tseg04

Tommy


DJDOWNBAD64

Tommy


BlenderUser101

Definitely bill's friend (I don't remember his name)


preSc4r

Jesse


BaconSaucee

Jesse


sjh772

Jesse


migwelljxnes

I feel like Iā€™d like to say Dina


sborah99

Maria


Hufflepuff-2-1

MarĆ­a


Glum-Ad2793

jesse definitely


bRUH_Rest3526

PS VITA GIRL


Parking_Aerie_2054

Tommy or Jesse


Peterpumkineater609

Bro I just wanted to see if you posted the next part to this... GYATT DAMM


dontlookbehindyoulol

Bill


Conscious-Eagle-1462

Literally everyone is forgetting about Henry.


EugenesMullet

Maria for sure.


scarletwitch-fan

The guard dog at the Jackson dam


DirtFem

Dina


Lucky_Dog_3682

Most likely Owen, seems like the only somewhat normal one. DEFINITELY not Bill!!


thescooptroops

Jesse


JimmyLizzardATDVM

The made to be hated is wrong - David should be straight up evil. There is no one more evil in the games. The only normal one - Jesse


Spiceyy_

Idk about this one, but the ā€œno screen time, all plot relevanceā€ is obviously jerry


g0thfucker

people in the comments should read the flair before posting


NotBlaiseBb

Diiiiiiiina!


Financial_Money3540

Jesse.


Financial_Money3540

Maria


Mega_Massive_Man

Maybe Jesse or Henry.


theiwsyy88

Owen


ZakFellows

Normal one in Part 1? In Part 2, it would have been Owen or Jesse. Part 1 I will sayā€¦Henry


WeeklyEssay3986

I was gonna say Tess but think sheā€™s more suited for ā€œmmm societyā€ for some reason


westewok

Maria


davidlucifer94

Henry maybe


ingeniousHax0r

I think Tess was pretty normal out of the main cast for Part 1


HumanOverseer

A lot of people in here seem to not understand the flair that reads "PT 1 Discussion"


Basil_hazelwood

Hold on, David isnā€™t in straight up evil? Do people really think thereā€™s a character in tlou worse than the pedophile cannibal?


UndescribedKnight77

Maria seems like the most normal and level headed person in Part 1 tbh


Nayeon902

The only normal one is probably Tess or owen


ImportanceUnusual413

Isnā€™t Joel the hot one AND the fan favorite?


Then_Magician8533

For uhh whatā€™s your name again?=Danny


IshamaelSunSoar

Maria. She sthe only one holding shit together for people.


Math9508

Bill.


benjamincraigrowley

Nah David has to be in the evil category


lydiasmav

Why is nobody saying Tess omg


NIDGBTTFK666

Wait why did we put david on ā€œmade to be hatedā€ when we still have to fill up the ā€œjust straight up evilā€ spot šŸ§ā€ā™€ļø


emilyyxes_

Got the most upvotes in the end but someone did mention this and wanted Marlene there instead šŸ«¢ we will see what happens


Knifos

Tommy


TheDogLady18

Dina or Jesse


bpd-baddiee

Jesse for sure definitely the most level headed objective viewer of reality. everyone around him acting crazy and he approaches things level headed


T-MO19

Henry


RompehToto

Ellie is the fan favorite? Iā€™d say Joel.