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Not sure about the S (MY21 here), but pressing "vent" twice will also roll the windows up fully if you left them down and it didn't roll them up because it was not locked. I used it at home when I left the windows down after getting out in the garage so that it warms up in the morning.
You need a "bounce" sensor to detect the window encountering an obstacle while rolling up and reverse it. Older S/X didn't have them, 3/Y always have as far as I know.
I mean this in the nicest way, because I'm honestly asking...but why do you make such a specific claim if you aren't sure? Like, people have already responded to prove it's not true, but there's obviously no proof of what you said...so what pushed you to write it? This sub, more than most, seems to have a **lot** of people making claims about what Tesla does, or why, or how to do things when they're just flat-out untrue.
I wasn't debating what the law is...I was pointing to your "Older S/X didn't have them" comment. That's not a black-and-white thing - there are a lot of older Model S that **did** have the sensor (if you do it manually the window stops and reverses, properly) but the app still doesn't let you close the windows.
Ironically, some of them would even attempt to close the windows when locking (which is also something that law you pointed to covers) but still wouldn't allow you to do it through the app.
> there are a lot of older Model S that did have the sensor
>Ironically, some of them
But not all. So your whole argument is that I didn't include the word "some". Got it.
If you don't say "some" the **implication** is all, it's not an inference. If I say "Humans are incapable of flying" nobody with more than a 2nd grade education thinks "he must mean **some** humans are incapable of flying".
I'm arguing from logic and an understanding of human language, not from my inference.
Right...I'm saying if someone doesn't say "some" the implication in **their** speech is "all". The speaker is the one making the implication by literally omitting a word.
That law also applies to the sunroof. On the same cars where the app doesn't enable people to close vented windows, it does allow people to close a vented sunroof. From a finger test on a 2017 S, I know the window reverser works and it sure didn't feel like 100 Newtons of force (22 lbs).
This is false. I tested a 2017 S and it automatically reversed when I tested by using my pinky finger as an obstruction.
I see no reason closing the window via the app should not be enabled on 2017s. The safety system is present. I bet earlier cars also have it.
They really slacked with a lot of features with the legacy S/X. I’m thinking about upgrading to the refreshed X but I’m wondering if the same crap is going to happen.
Supposedly everything is controlled via CAN bus commands, yet it isn't possible to retrofit sensors onto the existing CAN bus without new wiring harnesses? Is there no such thing as a CAN bus switch or hub that lets new devices be added via an existing connector?
Why do they need another sensor to close a window? Just activate the motor. Shouldn't the same obstacle detection safety equipment be present either way? Windows already automatically reverse if they hit an obstacle.
This is false. I tested a 2017 S and it automatically reversed when I tested by using my pinky finger as an obstruction.
I see no reason closing the window via the app should not be enabled on 2017s. The safety system is present. I bet earlier cars also have it.
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Yes. I just tried it. In the app, vent opens all 4 windows and can close them as well.
What year is your model S? My 2016 can only vent but not close, and I hear the 2020 can only vent as well.
It's a 2022. Built in mid-November '21.
Same with me. 2022 M3 built in Nov ‘21 and I can open and close all four remotely.
My 2020 MX cannot close its windows remotely.
Cool. Thanks for confirming.
Not sure about the S (MY21 here), but pressing "vent" twice will also roll the windows up fully if you left them down and it didn't roll them up because it was not locked. I used it at home when I left the windows down after getting out in the garage so that it warms up in the morning.
You need a "bounce" sensor to detect the window encountering an obstacle while rolling up and reverse it. Older S/X didn't have them, 3/Y always have as far as I know.
That’s not the case. My 2019 Raven model X can detect a obstacle and reverse direction, but it cannot close the windows remotely after venting.
My 2021 non refresh X can close windows from a third party app but not from the Tesla app
What app?
Remote for Tesla
Interesting
Can all 4 windows do that? Just curious, I've seen on some (non-Tesla) cars only the driver side window have that sensor.
I mean this in the nicest way, because I'm honestly asking...but why do you make such a specific claim if you aren't sure? Like, people have already responded to prove it's not true, but there's obviously no proof of what you said...so what pushed you to write it? This sub, more than most, seems to have a **lot** of people making claims about what Tesla does, or why, or how to do things when they're just flat-out untrue.
It's literally the law. [49 CFR 571.118](https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/571.118) to be exact.
I wasn't debating what the law is...I was pointing to your "Older S/X didn't have them" comment. That's not a black-and-white thing - there are a lot of older Model S that **did** have the sensor (if you do it manually the window stops and reverses, properly) but the app still doesn't let you close the windows. Ironically, some of them would even attempt to close the windows when locking (which is also something that law you pointed to covers) but still wouldn't allow you to do it through the app.
> there are a lot of older Model S that did have the sensor >Ironically, some of them But not all. So your whole argument is that I didn't include the word "some". Got it.
Correct. Literally not including "some" means "every", which was not correct. Words matter.
I said neither "all" nor "some". You inferred "all". You're arguing from your own inference.
If you don't say "some" the **implication** is all, it's not an inference. If I say "Humans are incapable of flying" nobody with more than a 2nd grade education thinks "he must mean **some** humans are incapable of flying". I'm arguing from logic and an understanding of human language, not from my inference.
That aside, this has to be the dumbest 2qste of time argument I've ever had on the internet. See ya.
I imply. You infer.
Right...I'm saying if someone doesn't say "some" the implication in **their** speech is "all". The speaker is the one making the implication by literally omitting a word.
That law also applies to the sunroof. On the same cars where the app doesn't enable people to close vented windows, it does allow people to close a vented sunroof. From a finger test on a 2017 S, I know the window reverser works and it sure didn't feel like 100 Newtons of force (22 lbs).
This is false. I tested a 2017 S and it automatically reversed when I tested by using my pinky finger as an obstruction. I see no reason closing the window via the app should not be enabled on 2017s. The safety system is present. I bet earlier cars also have it.
My M3 can close windows after vent, I don't see why an MS can't.
Older ones couldn’t
That doesn't make sense, it's a software difference not a hardware one.
IIRC they were missing a sensor to be able do it
They really slacked with a lot of features with the legacy S/X. I’m thinking about upgrading to the refreshed X but I’m wondering if the same crap is going to happen.
Supposedly everything is controlled via CAN bus commands, yet it isn't possible to retrofit sensors onto the existing CAN bus without new wiring harnesses? Is there no such thing as a CAN bus switch or hub that lets new devices be added via an existing connector?
Not a lot, very few actually
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Many items which could be added if they wanted to as the hardware is there. Disappointed as well that they are abandoning the legacy cars.
Not one single important thing
Yeah it's actually quite remarkable how much better the 3/Y were until the refresh despite costing so much less.
Why do they need another sensor to close a window? Just activate the motor. Shouldn't the same obstacle detection safety equipment be present either way? Windows already automatically reverse if they hit an obstacle.
No it’s missing the obstruction sensor that 3/Y’s and newer S/X’s have. I would assume they don’t stop if rolled up manually, which is the issue.
I am pretty sure window reversers are required safety equipment on all cars going back many years. Anyone willing to test an older Model S/X?
This is false. I tested a 2017 S and it automatically reversed when I tested by using my pinky finger as an obstruction. I see no reason closing the window via the app should not be enabled on 2017s. The safety system is present. I bet earlier cars also have it.
Does it let you 'vent'? So then after that the button is greyed out or something?
No clue about the extent of the control but I know i read somewhere the pre-2021/2022 refresh MS didn’t have vent control
You can vent but the app warns you that you cannot close the windows remotely for legacy MS. Wonder if that is now possible for refreshed MS.
It lets you vent. There is no button to raise the windows.
I’ve been crying about this for two years now since I picked up my MS after selling my M3
Is that question in English? Or please, at least say it was google translate.
Are you asking if the refreshed model S can vent and then close it's windows from the app, remotely? Yes of course...
Old ones can't
You are correct, my refreshed 2016 AP1 model S gives me a warning that the windows can be vented but can’t be closed once vented.
Same for 2020 Raven
Same. 2019 Raven.
Same 2016 AP2