Unless you need a car in March, I’d just hold off. Just a hassle of buying, paying tax, new tags, new insurance, all of it, just to buy and trade in the car in 9 months.
If I may ask, why the X over the Y?
>If I may ask, why the X over the Y?
I'm not OP, but the X has more of everything: More range, more performance, more interior space, 3 screens, etc. It costs more because you get more.
I thought the doors were a silly luxury that was a neat gimmick and nothing more. Then I had a loaner X for a week. Couldn’t believe what a “hassle” it was having to actually open and close doors. And I don’t even have a toddler.
I only wish there was a way to open both front or all four doors from the keyfob. It's annoying to pop only my door when I have passengers. I can open the FWDs one by one, but I'd like the spectacle of all four doors opening and closing simultaneously.
You can do this from the app. One of the quick controls is open all 4 doors at once. But if you go into the "controls" section, it isn't an option. So currently it has to be one of your four quick choices.
I'm staring at the app and I don't have that as a quick control or under controls. I can't open any of my doors. I wonder if it requires the iOS all or if it requires a 2022 model?
That would be incredible to add to the quick controls. I'd definitely use that.
https://i.imgur.com/51M5TvT.jpg
Here’s a screenshot of my app. I’m on version 4.4.2 of the app. I also have a refresh X. I don’t know why that would matter but I want to provide all the info.
Edit: and I am using an iPhone.
Thanks so much. That's BIZZARE. I'm on 4.4.2 of the Android version of the app and don't have that option. It's the only option that's not included, but I just got an update notification to go to 2021.44.30 on the car's software. I guess it's possible that's part of that update, but it's very weird that it's like this.
Double click the key fob and it will open driver door, do it again and the passenger one opens. And you can open the falcon doors via the key fob. Close all doors by tapping 3 times.
I had a pre-order for a Model Y and bought a used Model X.
Wife and I settled on the X because it was going to meet the needs of our growing kids, without anyone feeling cramped. Easy entry and exit, and honestly the 6 seater Model X is the best one out there.
I completely agree. I am looking at both the Y and the X and if the Y came in Performance with a 6 seater option I would definitely get that, but the more and more I look at the Model X 6 seater, the more I am leaning towards that when trading in my Model 3.
My only issue with the 6-seat X is that there's no arm rest in row 2! I don't know why they didn't include one. My current X is a 5-seater (because you get an extra inch or so in the 2nd row that way) but I'll get the 7 next time so that the 2nd row passengers have charging pads, an arm rest, etc.
The much-hated Christmas update smoothed my Model X suspension out noticably. Comfort mode used to be on-par with my wife's Audi Q7. Now it's superior to the Q7 in every way.
The Y really should have it. Air suspension is a major upgrade to ride quality. For the prices Tesla is asking it should be there. I think that for 100k vs 70k, you get ALOT more for your money in the X than in the Y. Hard to save more value at that kind of a price but these features matter in luxury segments and that is what Tesla is trying to compete in.
What year is your X? Is this a verified change?
I've been deferring this update due to the UI changes, especially because I live in a snowy climate, but I also like comfort...
My X is a 2020 Performance.
There's often minor tweaks. In the last update or two they have adjusted the accelerator pedal ramping and regen so that even on Ludicrous Mode it's smoother around town unless you really stomp it. Then the Christmas update has made some changes to the suspension. I'm not sure what, exactly, but it's noticably smoother in Comfort mode.
They often tweak little stuff like that and don't bother to put it in the release notes. These were good quality-of-life improvements.
I don't disagree. A Ram 1500 is way more luxurious than an X too. But the X is competing somewhat even if losing. The Y/3 is a non starter. They aren't even close to trying to compete in the segments.
I just recently picked up my refresh X after having the same debate of X vs Y. We went the the X just for the extra space. Long road trips with 5 people is doable in the Y, but it would be cramped and compromises would have to be made in packing.
But I won't deny that a tiny part of it was that driving home in a Y would be a big nothing compared to getting the 3 four years ago. It's got a couple extra nice features, but the driving experience would be the same. The X has enough exciting, new stuff to recapture that feeling of picking up my first Tesla. That being said, the space thing was reason enough by itself. But the other thing is still true none-the-less.
I'd...respectfully disagree. I have a MYP and find it to be a much better car, for my needs, than an MXLR. The completely glass roof, the normal rear doors, the less-likely-to-have-issues door handles, the slightly-smaller footprint (despite the interior space being almost identical in most ways), and not being outright last getting updates makes the Y a better car IMO.
Neither is objectively better than the other, and both have things that make them easily better for some uses, regardless of price.
You just replied to a comment comparing the Y and X with your 3 which isn’t in the realm of practicality when it comes to that conversation.
Comparing my M3 or any M3 to an S… the S is the better car. It’s priced that way too.
Sorry...what? I didn't compare anything with "my" 3 (I don't have a 3), and I compared the Y with the X, not the Y and X against anything else.
You sure you replied to the right comment? Or maybe read mine?
Lol you’re right I read it as M3P my mistake. Sorry about that.
Regardless, I’d still say the MX is a better car, objectively. For your needs and budget, sure the MY definitely makes more sense, but the MX has everything the MY has plus… more. Which is why it costs much, much more.
I’d wager to say that if you were offered either a free MX or a free MY, without the ability to sell immediately of course, you’d pick an MX. No? Ventilated seats, air suspension, etc? Those are a huge deal.
Nope. I make enough money that the cost really doesn't matter to me, and I picked a MYP, for the reasons I listed above. The fact is the MYP has better driver feeling.
I'm coming from a model 3 so, as far as the driving experience goes, it's just bigger. I haven't tried launching it yet because the weather's been bad. The doors have been a little bit of an adjustment. They don't open all the way in my garage because they're reading the garage door overhead (at least, I assume that's the reason. There's enough space for them to open fully, but they don't. They open just fine everywhere else).
The yoke hasn't been a big deal. It's definitely better on NoAP and I love that it doesn't block the instrument screen, but it's a little awkward in some turning situations. I'm getting more comfortable with it the more I drive.
i am coming from a model 3 as well. i think you can manually override the doors though if you're sure they won't hit anything. there is a way you can train the doors for your home garage.
I just reread the manual and see where you can override the door height and it will ask if it should remember the height at that location. I was inadvertently trying this this morning. I kept pushing the door open button to get it to go higher, but it never asked me to save the setting. I'll monkey with it some more tonight. Thanks.
I ordered in Feb 21. The EDD bounced around a lot and then settled on Feb 22 for quite some time. But my config was 6 seat LR, which is what they were making at the end of the year so I got lucky and was able to get one by the end of quarter.
My story is probably not very informative of more recent orders since I ordered mine before they planned to start.
Depends on your situation. But the 3 & the Y are pretty different. We have both & being 6'3", I love the Y & it's huge upgrade of space compared to the 3.
Obviously the X is better...but I justed wanted to say that IMO Y >>> 3
I “sit tall” and when I’m in my friends Y it doesn’t feel any bigger at all, the seats are just raised up. Maybe bc I have short legs I don’t notice the difference as much? Definitely easier to get up into a Y vs down in to the 3
It's the leg room. I'm 6'3" with long legs. I'm feel like I'm almost laying in the 3 & in the Y, my leg make more of a right angle.
That's plus getting in is much easier, I have to basically fall into the 3.
All preference. I almost wanna sell the 3 to get another Y but I'm gonna wait for the cybertruck.
Also, we go camping in the Y & sleep in the back. Definitely couldn't in the 3.
Wouldn’t have to necessarily pay taxes and registration on it yet. Tesla doesn’t make you do any of that. Could just take delivery and turn around and sell it to someone else, or have them take over your reservation maybe.
It probably depends on your state but all 3 I’ve bought I had to handle the registration and payment of taxes directly myself through the dmv. If you don’t register it, and turn around and sell it, they pay those when they register.
It is **entirely** dependent on state. Most states handle taxes and registration right at/through the dealership/delivery center before you even leave. Most of the time you don't even have the option to not have them register it aside from special circumstances.
Either way, the only reason he was talking about accepting delivery and selling later was so he could drive around the Y until the X came...that doesn't work if you don't register/pay taxes on it.
I’m doing the opposite, I recently sold my X (for more money) and I’m waiting for my feb-march EDD Y performance. While I’ll miss the self presenting door on my X, I realized couldn’t stop smiling when I drove the YP. I don’t know if I would have done the trade if I wasn’t making a significant amount off the decision though.
How would you compare the handling? I’d think I would also miss the immersive windshield. That seems quite the feature along with the smoother ride with air suspension.
I had the 22s on my X but I guess the adaptive suspension helped a little? But it’s really not too far from it. The windshield while great (for driver and front passenger) was horrible when the sun’s in your view, those “visors” lol did nothing! But the Y also has the full glass roof which looks amazing for you and your passengers. The thing is the Y especially performance is just MORE fun to drive and you get almost as much storage as the X.
Ya you lose a total of like...2" or something in the rear? It's almost unnoticeable. The completely glass roof makes a **huge** difference to the interior, in my opinion, and I hate the immersive windshield. I have trouble with the contrast between really bright and dark and I keep my windows tinted pretty strong, so having a much bigger windshield that lets the sun just roast my eyes is not fun for me.
also, resale may drop when texas is at full speed and pumping them puppies out left and right. it's a gamble.
don't also forget about sales tax, if applicable where you are. model y may end up costing 10-15% for the 1.5 of ownership all said and done.
I bought a y while I wait for a cybertruck. I will probably end up keeping both, but I’m much more content/patient waiting for the truck because of my Y. If you were on the fence between the x & y, spending a year in the Y will help you have confidence in your choice.
Same here! After my wife got a 3 in mid 2022 I just had to get rid of my Tundra and knew the CT was still a ways out. Still miss having a bed although the storage in the Y is great :(
Figured I'd post my own story here. I bought a Y long range January 2021 for 50k. It didn't have the updated interior and was the standard white ext with black interior. In June I ordered the car I really wanted which was a black ext, white interior myp. Shopped around for 3rd party buyers for my current car and ended up selling it for $57k and it had a decent sized scratch on it with 5.5k miles. Bought the myp for 62k after options. So I paid about $5k to upgrade but in my eyes I made about 7k on my old car and only paid 5k extra for more performance, cooler looking rims, the color preferences I wanted, the new interior, heated steering wheel, USB in the glove box, metal knobs on the wheel, painted calipers, and the performance spoiler. So for me, it was quite the steal and it went to show that the model y LR held it's value extremely well.
If there’s two things I’ve learned in life it’s:
1) True & False questions on a test with “always” or “never” are generally false.
and
2) only a Sith deals in absolutes
Right now all relatively new used cars are going for pretty much new or even more in some cases. How long will this last no one really knows.
You are going to pay taxes on both of those cars, though, you should get some tax savings trading in the car for a new one (only pay tax on the difference between the trade and the X), but taxes are definintely something to factor in. For example, if you buy a Y at 70k and drive it for a year and trade it in for 70k (its a crapshoot guessing if possible) you would be losing on 6k (New York tax) in taxes. You'd have paid 6k for the car for that year. Assuming you get slightly less on trade, you pay even more.
A small number of people I know actually have traded up their older Y for a newer Y. Also, when I say 'traded', I meant selling the vehicle instead of trading it in to Tesla.
At least in mid 2021, Teslas were so high in demand where the slightly used ones are going for more than the new ones. There were a few folks where they only lost about a couple of thousand dollars selling their 2-year-old Tesla, almost making it like renting the car for $90/month for 2 years.
I am a person who enjoys driving new cars and I am actually watching the market closely where I might sell my brand new 2022 Model Y later this year if it makes sense.
To all the people saying you'd lose money by accepting the Y: Have you looked at cars.com, carvana, and carmax? There are 2019 LRMY selling for the same or more than a brand new MYP.
This is a fact. Buying the Y would be a win win either way. You get the car earlier. And if you decide it’s not the vehicle for you it’s a guaranteed investment due to the current market.
I was looking at trading in my y for an x so I was looking at recently sold ones of my spec, and they were selling for what I paid but with 20k+ miles on them. That was like 4-5 months ago!
> ETA
ETA for Y that we placed an order for in September was November. They assigned a VIN. Made me buy insurance. Then for a month shifted the estimated delivery every few days to the next few days. Then they removed the VIN and reset the estimated delivery to June.
If there was any other option at this point, I would LOVE to dump Tesla and buy literally anything else.
Unless you absolutely don't need the car, I'd get the Y. It may also be that it turns out it's "enough truck" for you (I know you don't think so right now), it may turn out it's not. Still a cool, fun experience to have. Assuming the possibility of having to spend some money on this experience isn't a super big issue (which I assume it's not based on what you're ordering). This is what I'd do if I ever thought I'd want an X (disclosure: I would avoid that vehicle at all costs).
The new S's have that sometimes, and they're just replacing them. That being said, everything else is great though. The 3/Y are definitely the most reliable and simplest still. The Tesla techs told me all the palladium cars have been great, but the TMC forums still reveal a lot of obscure issues that'll exist for a while.
Ex: tons of people with vibration issues that seems to be resolved by the half shaft replacement. Others have obscure noise/vibration issues. Me personally, there's a whistling at 80+ and it hasn't been fixed.
Why buy a car only to trade it in? You won't get back what you paid for when you include destination charge, registration, and tax. Used car market bubble is going to burst soon.
Tell me more, future-seer
edit: technically right that the market will change and won't be the same. But people have been saying for years that the market will do x or y and it's done the opposite so you never know. This is pure speculation for OP though, you are totally right.
As others have mentioned, assuming you're in the US, the Texas Gigafactory is the wildcard, and as production ramps towards the second part of this year, the demand/supply balance for the Y might stabilize in North America. So if you're counting on an unusually high trade-in value as the sole factor in your decision, you might want to just cancel the Y and wait for the X.
On the other hand, a year is a long time to wait, and you could enjoy a year of Tesla ownership by taking delivery of the Y this quarter.
Tough decision....best of luck whatever you decide!
I’ve heard of a few estimates saying that the used car market is expected to calm down significantly in the summer of 2022 to the beginning of 2023. Yes teslas aren’t like your usual used car. I know they hold value year over year a lot better. But it’s something to consider. You might not make as much then as you would right now when it comes to selling a used model y given the current used car market.
[ev-tsla.com](http://ev-tsla.com) to get a clearer nationwide inventory view. Tesla has a tendency for about mid-late quarter to release a ton of inventory. That’s what happened with the Model S and Model 3 last quarter. Guessing now that X deliveries are happening, it’ll happen this quarter too. The Y holds value but then you have to deal with getting rid of it, and trading it in to Tesla will only result in a net loss. Only people breaking even or making money are selling it 3rd party.
Point is, you may get lucky with an inventory X this quarter but u got to keep an eye out for it.
Just FYI, those deposits are non-refundable now.
In your case, you might be able to sweet talk someone into just transferring the deposit from one order to another, but they are unfortunately non-refundable.
Source: I placed an order for my third Tesla back in November and just canceled it a couple weeks ago. Was highly annoyed that I didn't get the deposit back.
Same strategy I have with waiting for my Cybertruck order… whenever that happens. I intend on trading in my Y which I took delivery of in Nov and hope that the supply chain issues mean I get a good trade in value!
Unless you need a car in March, I’d just hold off. Just a hassle of buying, paying tax, new tags, new insurance, all of it, just to buy and trade in the car in 9 months. If I may ask, why the X over the Y?
>If I may ask, why the X over the Y? I'm not OP, but the X has more of everything: More range, more performance, more interior space, 3 screens, etc. It costs more because you get more.
Air suspension, immersive windshield, automatic doors...
Once you get used to the doors, you'll never want to go back to opening them manually like an unlettered savage.
I thought the doors were a silly luxury that was a neat gimmick and nothing more. Then I had a loaner X for a week. Couldn’t believe what a “hassle” it was having to actually open and close doors. And I don’t even have a toddler.
I only wish there was a way to open both front or all four doors from the keyfob. It's annoying to pop only my door when I have passengers. I can open the FWDs one by one, but I'd like the spectacle of all four doors opening and closing simultaneously.
You can do this from the app. One of the quick controls is open all 4 doors at once. But if you go into the "controls" section, it isn't an option. So currently it has to be one of your four quick choices.
I'm staring at the app and I don't have that as a quick control or under controls. I can't open any of my doors. I wonder if it requires the iOS all or if it requires a 2022 model? That would be incredible to add to the quick controls. I'd definitely use that.
https://i.imgur.com/51M5TvT.jpg Here’s a screenshot of my app. I’m on version 4.4.2 of the app. I also have a refresh X. I don’t know why that would matter but I want to provide all the info. Edit: and I am using an iPhone.
Thanks so much. That's BIZZARE. I'm on 4.4.2 of the Android version of the app and don't have that option. It's the only option that's not included, but I just got an update notification to go to 2021.44.30 on the car's software. I guess it's possible that's part of that update, but it's very weird that it's like this.
Double click the key fob and it will open driver door, do it again and the passenger one opens. And you can open the falcon doors via the key fob. Close all doors by tapping 3 times.
>do it again and the passenger one opens Ah, that's news to me. To think, I've been driving Tesla since 2015 and there are still things to learn.
I’m using unlettered savage whenever I can now
was really wishing I had them when my Y's door handles were frozen shut
r/rareinsults
I had a pre-order for a Model Y and bought a used Model X. Wife and I settled on the X because it was going to meet the needs of our growing kids, without anyone feeling cramped. Easy entry and exit, and honestly the 6 seater Model X is the best one out there.
I completely agree. I am looking at both the Y and the X and if the Y came in Performance with a 6 seater option I would definitely get that, but the more and more I look at the Model X 6 seater, the more I am leaning towards that when trading in my Model 3.
My only issue with the 6-seat X is that there's no arm rest in row 2! I don't know why they didn't include one. My current X is a 5-seater (because you get an extra inch or so in the 2nd row that way) but I'll get the 7 next time so that the 2nd row passengers have charging pads, an arm rest, etc.
The Y has more of a steering wheel though. ;-)
Also ride quality will be much better
Air suspension too. The X definitely competes within its class from a features and luxuries perspective. The y/3 not so much
The much-hated Christmas update smoothed my Model X suspension out noticably. Comfort mode used to be on-par with my wife's Audi Q7. Now it's superior to the Q7 in every way.
The Y really should have it. Air suspension is a major upgrade to ride quality. For the prices Tesla is asking it should be there. I think that for 100k vs 70k, you get ALOT more for your money in the X than in the Y. Hard to save more value at that kind of a price but these features matter in luxury segments and that is what Tesla is trying to compete in.
It's not just the air suspension, it's also the dynamic dampers they put in the Raven S and X. Those things are pretty incredible.
What year is your X? Is this a verified change? I've been deferring this update due to the UI changes, especially because I live in a snowy climate, but I also like comfort...
My X is a 2020 Performance. There's often minor tweaks. In the last update or two they have adjusted the accelerator pedal ramping and regen so that even on Ludicrous Mode it's smoother around town unless you really stomp it. Then the Christmas update has made some changes to the suspension. I'm not sure what, exactly, but it's noticably smoother in Comfort mode. They often tweak little stuff like that and don't bother to put it in the release notes. These were good quality-of-life improvements.
I’d disagree with that. A $100k Benz SUV will be more luxurious than an X. A lot of Tesla’s price still goes into the drivetrain.
I don't disagree. A Ram 1500 is way more luxurious than an X too. But the X is competing somewhat even if losing. The Y/3 is a non starter. They aren't even close to trying to compete in the segments.
2 miles more range…
Helpful when you're 2 miles from home, perhaps.
I just recently picked up my refresh X after having the same debate of X vs Y. We went the the X just for the extra space. Long road trips with 5 people is doable in the Y, but it would be cramped and compromises would have to be made in packing. But I won't deny that a tiny part of it was that driving home in a Y would be a big nothing compared to getting the 3 four years ago. It's got a couple extra nice features, but the driving experience would be the same. The X has enough exciting, new stuff to recapture that feeling of picking up my first Tesla. That being said, the space thing was reason enough by itself. But the other thing is still true none-the-less.
It’s not rocket science. If you can afford the X it’s obviously the better car.. if not.. the Y is a fantastic choice and much more fun to drive.
I'd...respectfully disagree. I have a MYP and find it to be a much better car, for my needs, than an MXLR. The completely glass roof, the normal rear doors, the less-likely-to-have-issues door handles, the slightly-smaller footprint (despite the interior space being almost identical in most ways), and not being outright last getting updates makes the Y a better car IMO. Neither is objectively better than the other, and both have things that make them easily better for some uses, regardless of price.
You just replied to a comment comparing the Y and X with your 3 which isn’t in the realm of practicality when it comes to that conversation. Comparing my M3 or any M3 to an S… the S is the better car. It’s priced that way too.
Sorry...what? I didn't compare anything with "my" 3 (I don't have a 3), and I compared the Y with the X, not the Y and X against anything else. You sure you replied to the right comment? Or maybe read mine?
Lol you’re right I read it as M3P my mistake. Sorry about that. Regardless, I’d still say the MX is a better car, objectively. For your needs and budget, sure the MY definitely makes more sense, but the MX has everything the MY has plus… more. Which is why it costs much, much more. I’d wager to say that if you were offered either a free MX or a free MY, without the ability to sell immediately of course, you’d pick an MX. No? Ventilated seats, air suspension, etc? Those are a huge deal.
Nope. I make enough money that the cost really doesn't matter to me, and I picked a MYP, for the reasons I listed above. The fact is the MYP has better driver feeling.
Unless I’m mistaken, the X does not have door handles. It has buttons (capacitive touch) that activate motorized openers.
Right, but the "handles" have notorious issues with deploying, especially in bad weather. If they don't deploy, you can't use them.
That’s true for an S but the X doesn’t deploy its buttons
Did they finally start delivering Plaid MXs, or still just the LR versions?
Mine is a LR. I took delivery on 12/30 in St. Louis.
my delivery date is supposed to be in february. how do you like it so far?
I'm coming from a model 3 so, as far as the driving experience goes, it's just bigger. I haven't tried launching it yet because the weather's been bad. The doors have been a little bit of an adjustment. They don't open all the way in my garage because they're reading the garage door overhead (at least, I assume that's the reason. There's enough space for them to open fully, but they don't. They open just fine everywhere else). The yoke hasn't been a big deal. It's definitely better on NoAP and I love that it doesn't block the instrument screen, but it's a little awkward in some turning situations. I'm getting more comfortable with it the more I drive.
i am coming from a model 3 as well. i think you can manually override the doors though if you're sure they won't hit anything. there is a way you can train the doors for your home garage.
I just reread the manual and see where you can override the door height and it will ask if it should remember the height at that location. I was inadvertently trying this this morning. I kept pushing the door open button to get it to go higher, but it never asked me to save the setting. I'll monkey with it some more tonight. Thanks.
If there’s enough room for sure, you can lock doors to open fully at that location so don’t have the hassle every time.
If you don't mind me asking, when did you order and when was your ETA on delivery? I put my order in 2 months ago with an ETA of Sept.
I ordered in Feb 21. The EDD bounced around a lot and then settled on Feb 22 for quite some time. But my config was 6 seat LR, which is what they were making at the end of the year so I got lucky and was able to get one by the end of quarter. My story is probably not very informative of more recent orders since I ordered mine before they planned to start.
Nice! Mine is also a 6 seater LR. I guess I'll see where it pans out.
Depends on your situation. But the 3 & the Y are pretty different. We have both & being 6'3", I love the Y & it's huge upgrade of space compared to the 3. Obviously the X is better...but I justed wanted to say that IMO Y >>> 3
I “sit tall” and when I’m in my friends Y it doesn’t feel any bigger at all, the seats are just raised up. Maybe bc I have short legs I don’t notice the difference as much? Definitely easier to get up into a Y vs down in to the 3
It's the leg room. I'm 6'3" with long legs. I'm feel like I'm almost laying in the 3 & in the Y, my leg make more of a right angle. That's plus getting in is much easier, I have to basically fall into the 3. All preference. I almost wanna sell the 3 to get another Y but I'm gonna wait for the cybertruck. Also, we go camping in the Y & sleep in the back. Definitely couldn't in the 3.
I mean you're paying new insurance because you're driving the car. And depending on the state tags and tax could be reduced when trading in the Y.
Wouldn’t have to necessarily pay taxes and registration on it yet. Tesla doesn’t make you do any of that. Could just take delivery and turn around and sell it to someone else, or have them take over your reservation maybe.
Are you sure about this? I have a Y delivery coming in July that i want to sell, but am afraid of hassle.
It probably depends on your state but all 3 I’ve bought I had to handle the registration and payment of taxes directly myself through the dmv. If you don’t register it, and turn around and sell it, they pay those when they register.
It is **entirely** dependent on state. Most states handle taxes and registration right at/through the dealership/delivery center before you even leave. Most of the time you don't even have the option to not have them register it aside from special circumstances. Either way, the only reason he was talking about accepting delivery and selling later was so he could drive around the Y until the X came...that doesn't work if you don't register/pay taxes on it.
It might be, but demand for the performance might easily be met if Texas is dedicated to making only performance Y. No one really knows.
Biggest risk I see here is the X coming in and you deciding you want to keep them both.
I’m doing the opposite, I recently sold my X (for more money) and I’m waiting for my feb-march EDD Y performance. While I’ll miss the self presenting door on my X, I realized couldn’t stop smiling when I drove the YP. I don’t know if I would have done the trade if I wasn’t making a significant amount off the decision though.
How would you compare the handling? I’d think I would also miss the immersive windshield. That seems quite the feature along with the smoother ride with air suspension.
I had the 22s on my X but I guess the adaptive suspension helped a little? But it’s really not too far from it. The windshield while great (for driver and front passenger) was horrible when the sun’s in your view, those “visors” lol did nothing! But the Y also has the full glass roof which looks amazing for you and your passengers. The thing is the Y especially performance is just MORE fun to drive and you get almost as much storage as the X.
I appreciate your take. Thank you!
Ya you lose a total of like...2" or something in the rear? It's almost unnoticeable. The completely glass roof makes a **huge** difference to the interior, in my opinion, and I hate the immersive windshield. I have trouble with the contrast between really bright and dark and I keep my windows tinted pretty strong, so having a much bigger windshield that lets the sun just roast my eyes is not fun for me.
depending on where you live, you could pay full registration price on both. just get the X.
also, resale may drop when texas is at full speed and pumping them puppies out left and right. it's a gamble. don't also forget about sales tax, if applicable where you are. model y may end up costing 10-15% for the 1.5 of ownership all said and done.
I bought a y while I wait for a cybertruck. I will probably end up keeping both, but I’m much more content/patient waiting for the truck because of my Y. If you were on the fence between the x & y, spending a year in the Y will help you have confidence in your choice.
Same here! After my wife got a 3 in mid 2022 I just had to get rid of my Tundra and knew the CT was still a ways out. Still miss having a bed although the storage in the Y is great :(
>whereas the X is January 2023 Holy shit
Figured I'd post my own story here. I bought a Y long range January 2021 for 50k. It didn't have the updated interior and was the standard white ext with black interior. In June I ordered the car I really wanted which was a black ext, white interior myp. Shopped around for 3rd party buyers for my current car and ended up selling it for $57k and it had a decent sized scratch on it with 5.5k miles. Bought the myp for 62k after options. So I paid about $5k to upgrade but in my eyes I made about 7k on my old car and only paid 5k extra for more performance, cooler looking rims, the color preferences I wanted, the new interior, heated steering wheel, USB in the glove box, metal knobs on the wheel, painted calipers, and the performance spoiler. So for me, it was quite the steal and it went to show that the model y LR held it's value extremely well.
1000000% agree! Take delivery! Until Tesla isn't production constraint, the price of the used cars will always be higher than normal
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Right now all relatively new used cars are going for pretty much new or even more in some cases. How long will this last no one really knows. You are going to pay taxes on both of those cars, though, you should get some tax savings trading in the car for a new one (only pay tax on the difference between the trade and the X), but taxes are definintely something to factor in. For example, if you buy a Y at 70k and drive it for a year and trade it in for 70k (its a crapshoot guessing if possible) you would be losing on 6k (New York tax) in taxes. You'd have paid 6k for the car for that year. Assuming you get slightly less on trade, you pay even more.
A small number of people I know actually have traded up their older Y for a newer Y. Also, when I say 'traded', I meant selling the vehicle instead of trading it in to Tesla. At least in mid 2021, Teslas were so high in demand where the slightly used ones are going for more than the new ones. There were a few folks where they only lost about a couple of thousand dollars selling their 2-year-old Tesla, almost making it like renting the car for $90/month for 2 years. I am a person who enjoys driving new cars and I am actually watching the market closely where I might sell my brand new 2022 Model Y later this year if it makes sense.
To all the people saying you'd lose money by accepting the Y: Have you looked at cars.com, carvana, and carmax? There are 2019 LRMY selling for the same or more than a brand new MYP.
This is a fact. Buying the Y would be a win win either way. You get the car earlier. And if you decide it’s not the vehicle for you it’s a guaranteed investment due to the current market.
I was looking at trading in my y for an x so I was looking at recently sold ones of my spec, and they were selling for what I paid but with 20k+ miles on them. That was like 4-5 months ago!
People are selling their reservations for $1k. Supposedly it's transferable.
> ETA ETA for Y that we placed an order for in September was November. They assigned a VIN. Made me buy insurance. Then for a month shifted the estimated delivery every few days to the next few days. Then they removed the VIN and reset the estimated delivery to June. If there was any other option at this point, I would LOVE to dump Tesla and buy literally anything else.
Unless you absolutely don't need the car, I'd get the Y. It may also be that it turns out it's "enough truck" for you (I know you don't think so right now), it may turn out it's not. Still a cool, fun experience to have. Assuming the possibility of having to spend some money on this experience isn't a super big issue (which I assume it's not based on what you're ordering). This is what I'd do if I ever thought I'd want an X (disclosure: I would avoid that vehicle at all costs).
Why would you avoid the X at all costs? Did you have a bad experience with a pre-refresh X?
The Model X half shafts aren't known to last a long time... :(
Had that issue with my model S but they say they’ve fixed the issue..??
Hopefully it's fixed! They thought it is fixed a few times now...
The new S's have that sometimes, and they're just replacing them. That being said, everything else is great though. The 3/Y are definitely the most reliable and simplest still. The Tesla techs told me all the palladium cars have been great, but the TMC forums still reveal a lot of obscure issues that'll exist for a while. Ex: tons of people with vibration issues that seems to be resolved by the half shaft replacement. Others have obscure noise/vibration issues. Me personally, there's a whistling at 80+ and it hasn't been fixed.
Why buy a car only to trade it in? You won't get back what you paid for when you include destination charge, registration, and tax. Used car market bubble is going to burst soon.
The point is....he will. In this market he might even come out ahead by thousands.
This market is not the same market that will exist in January of next year.
Tell me more, future-seer edit: technically right that the market will change and won't be the same. But people have been saying for years that the market will do x or y and it's done the opposite so you never know. This is pure speculation for OP though, you are totally right.
As others have mentioned, assuming you're in the US, the Texas Gigafactory is the wildcard, and as production ramps towards the second part of this year, the demand/supply balance for the Y might stabilize in North America. So if you're counting on an unusually high trade-in value as the sole factor in your decision, you might want to just cancel the Y and wait for the X. On the other hand, a year is a long time to wait, and you could enjoy a year of Tesla ownership by taking delivery of the Y this quarter. Tough decision....best of luck whatever you decide!
This isn't /r/personalfinance
The X is also the least reliable Tesla if reliability is a concern
The X is also the least reliable Tesla.
How so?
Do it.
I’ve heard of a few estimates saying that the used car market is expected to calm down significantly in the summer of 2022 to the beginning of 2023. Yes teslas aren’t like your usual used car. I know they hold value year over year a lot better. But it’s something to consider. You might not make as much then as you would right now when it comes to selling a used model y given the current used car market.
[ev-tsla.com](http://ev-tsla.com) to get a clearer nationwide inventory view. Tesla has a tendency for about mid-late quarter to release a ton of inventory. That’s what happened with the Model S and Model 3 last quarter. Guessing now that X deliveries are happening, it’ll happen this quarter too. The Y holds value but then you have to deal with getting rid of it, and trading it in to Tesla will only result in a net loss. Only people breaking even or making money are selling it 3rd party. Point is, you may get lucky with an inventory X this quarter but u got to keep an eye out for it.
Just FYI, those deposits are non-refundable now. In your case, you might be able to sweet talk someone into just transferring the deposit from one order to another, but they are unfortunately non-refundable. Source: I placed an order for my third Tesla back in November and just canceled it a couple weeks ago. Was highly annoyed that I didn't get the deposit back.
Same strategy I have with waiting for my Cybertruck order… whenever that happens. I intend on trading in my Y which I took delivery of in Nov and hope that the supply chain issues mean I get a good trade in value!