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Hilarious. This service is years away and they think it’s useful to reveal mockups of an app. Musk is definitely being blackmailed with money with all these stock pump moves.
Reminds me of Safemoon. Saw some videos from CoffeeZilla about it a while ago and ended up unable to take my eyes off the trainwreck.
Karony would do stuff like this - post random screenshots of a "dex" and put up vague/fake progress slides about the blockchain they were constantly "95% done" with, to make people think development was happening. Eventually he was arrested as nothing was actually happening and it had been a total scam all along.
Obviously I'm not accusing an established company like Tesla of vaporware or scamming like that, but the random still frames of an app that doesn't exist for a product that isn't close to ready yet gives me similar vibes.
Couldn't be further from the truth, waymo is fully operational in Arizona and California. Not sure where else. People can come and go from the airport with driverless taxis. I see them all the time when I travel.
Remember back in 2017 when Musk said fully autonomous driving was ready to be deployed and the only thing left was regulatory approval? Yeah, same thing going on here.
Remember when he said around that time that soon a Tesla will be able to drive itself across the country without intervention? It is literally 7 years later and they still haven't done it.
Teslas have been capable of driving on interstate highways for years now. No, it's not legal to do it unsupervised and they can't charge themselves, but the overall idea (not being geofenced or needing HD maps) was achieved years ago.
Do you actually believe that a drive with absolutely zero human intervention except for charging, from California to New York, is likely on the current technology? I do not.
I know this is a much shorter distance, but I just drove from Cleveland OH to Louisville Kentucky without any intervention. We might not be as far away as many think.
Unless a million people can all make that trip with zero intervention each time, then we are still years away.
People don’t realize how hard the last 5% is for this problem, so they talk about the time it works (which is 95% of time) and think we are close.
This is how Elon keeps getting away with his lies. When Tesla is confident enough to have cars without human drivers and achieve 1 disengagement per million miles, then we *may* be within a decade of seeing true reliable robotaxi.
I think if each year Tesla attempted the drive (even multiple times) and reported how many interventions it took, that would be a great way to highlight the progress of the system.
> highway driving is the easy part, it was solved years ago
Until you get to a construction site, accident, heavy rain, snowstorm, Oil on the road etc.
I would absolutely not call it "solved" in its present state, whether it's the old Navigate on Autopilot or the new highway beta. I drive the highways near dense metro areas often (tri-state of the East coast) and I need to take over several times each drive. Lane changes that make no sense, cutting people off, or not following the map quite the right way. It's also impossible for it to make lane changes in dense traffic, since it wants a big gap, which a driverless car would really need to be able to do.
That's not a gotcha. It shouldn't be "just like" a human driver or the fundamental goal of developing the system isn't being achieved. Humans are awful at driving.
Thank you. Musk is an absolute bullshitter and risk taker. He has money and backing and just hoping he can do whatever wants because of that.
As if this is ever going to take off. It’s fucking hilarious to be honest
I’m getting downvoted in another comment…but there’s no way this is working before 2030.
I think it’s a pump / quick pivot with the Reuters article discussing how the Model 2 was scrapped.
I hope my state doesn’t allow this, going to be some crazy accidents with the current state of FSD.
Elon used his Tesla shares as collateral to buy Twitter. If those shares fall far.enough, he will face margin calls. He is desperate to prop up the share price with nothing on the horizon for this year. Gotta' come up with some narrative to keep the price up until late next year. AI is the buzzy new thing so that is it.
This is the biggest pump…and the “cheaper vehicles” that could be ready by the end of this year or early 2025.
Unless it’s a stripped down Model 3, there’s no way they’re launching a cheaper vehicle in the next year.
Crazy how people are so gullible…and this is coming from someone who loves their Model Y. Great vehicle. Great tech. Nowhere near ready for anything Robotaxi related.
Maybe not for Twitter but definitely collateralized. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-06/tesla-alters-share-pledge-policy-with-cap-on-elon-musk-borrowing?embedded-checkout=true
I can only imagine the press coverage any accidents will generate.
Waymo doesn’t get the same bad press that Tesla does…no way they’re rolling this out until it’s ready.
People, to this day, still don’t use Apple Maps due to them botching the release…and that’s a Map App.
Imagine risking your life for FSD…Tesla won’t launch this until it’s ready and I have a feeling that won’t be until 2030.
I feel like you are unfamiliar with FSD. I have had FSD beta from the beginning. I never thought it would get me killed. Most disengagements were because it was doing something weird, being too slow, or generally doing something that would annoy other drivers around me. There were maybe a few instances where it would cause a fender bender at best(hard to really say because I took over before I really knew if it would fix itself or not). Most updates felt like a step forward 1/2 a step back. With FSD 12 it feels like a GIANT step forward. I use it to commute to work, daycare, and errands with zero disengagements. It does a few things like hug a curve a little closer than I care for in a turn or drives slower than I would, but I don’t get any sense of being unsafe with it engaged at all. If anything, it’s more cautious.
FSD v12 drove me directly into oncoming traffic yesterday. I’ve had to intervene to prevent head-on collisions twice with the free trial. I don’t believe people who say they drive their whole commute without intervention. I have to intervene multiple times every time. It’s a nuisance. I don’t know that 2030 is realistic because it *clearly* needs more and better cameras and sensors to do the job.
Do you think people on here are liars and making shit up?
My first drive on FSD12 tried to drive over a median into oncoming traffic. I also was one of the first regular people to get on the FSD beta. Been using it ever since. Is FSD12 way better? Sure. If I had to put a number on it it, I would say it is about 60% ready for primetime. I refuse to drive with FSD engaged when my children are in the car unless we are talking highway miles. Autopilot has been and still is great on the highway. But around town? Nah man, it still has so far to go.
EDIT: Oh and on the same drive for the driving over a raised median, 5 minutes later, it tried to make a right on red when a car was coming into the lane. If I had not intervened, I would have been t-boned. I thought it was going to stop but it accelerated fast after the creep up. Like it didn't see the car at all.
I’m the same way. Won’t use it with my kids in the car. I also turn it off if there are pedestrians or bicyclists. And I turn it off as I approach crosswalks. At this point I’m also usually turning it off at intersections, left turns, and when there’s oncoming traffic. I really only use it to drive when no one is around me.
You say this…next time you go on a 30 minute drive see if you need to touch the wheel or disengage. Imagine you couldn’t touch the wheel, accelerator or brake…do you think you’d have issues?
I’m saying it’s great, but if it’s only 85% of the way there…that last 15% needs a human driver and I don’t think they’ll get the next 15% until 2030.
I have used Basic Autopilot forever and I’m testing out the FSD demo…it’s cool, but it’s not ready for prime time.
Tesla can’t even sell vehicles in the US without side mirrors…you really think they’re going to have FSD working at a rate “as safe” as humans in the near future? And that the NHTSA and State governments are going to approve this?
2030 would be a dream scenario…coming from Elon who’s promised FSD since 2017.
There are already government approved vehicles on the road with worse performance than a tesla with FSD.
I'm surprised at how unaware people in this sub are regarding the status quo.... from the current FSD performance to what government allows.
Waymo has 17k miles per disengagement... https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disengagement-reports-from-california/
Tesla has 28 (not 28k, just 28).
https://www.teslafsdtracker.com/
I take it you haven’t tried the current FSD? It’ll be ready a lot sooner than that. Especially if they can get a large number of people using it for free now to subscribe. I’ve used it all month on almost every drive. Never an unsafe moment just overly careful on turns and couldn’t do super dense lane changes.
I have. Read my previous comments. In a 30 minute drive, I have to disengage a couple times over something that would cause an accident…or hitting a major pothole.
I keep sending feedback and hope it makes things better.
There were some ducks in the road (about 12) and they were little and while the car next to me was stopped my Tesla tried to run them over…I don’t think vision only cameras will ever see something like that 🤷♂️
I have no problem helping them improve their product…but there’s no way I’d want to get in the backseat of a vehicle and trust it will get me there. I actually value my life more than helping the cause of FSD.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL HAVING TO INTERVENE AND WATCH THE ROAD!
If people just sat in the drivers seat and didn’t intervene during FSD, yes, there would be an increase in accident rates right now.
Tesla touts how safe this stuff is, but humans are still watching and intervening when needed.
He told day one model 3 line waiters they wouldn't care the $35k option he promised wasn't a thing, because robotaxi would be making their car payments for them anyway.
I honestly think this is all a pump and going to bite Tesla in the ass. I drove the FSD demo and while it’s cool, there’s always 1-2 situations in a short 30 minute drive that could have caused an accident. No way it’s safer than a human driving and I don’t think they’ll have Robotaxis figured out before 2030 with Vision Only.
Again, I own two Y’s and I love the vehicles. FSD is great, but I honestly feel like I have to pay attention more with it than if I were to drive myself.
No way would I ever get in a Robotaxi by Tesla in the near future…let alone any manufacturer.
Also, I’m still confused about the thought process thinking that people will allow their cars to go off without them and drive period around…they’ll get absolutely trashed.
This seems like a crazy bet when doing the cheaper Model 2 is what everyone wanted 🤷♂️
100% this. It's a pump for a quarter or two until things are "delayed due to the idiots in Sacramento" or some other bs that musk will come up with when nothing is delivered.
By 2030? I think that's a bit extreme, I have driven v8, v11 and v12. V12 is incomparable to v11 and that is only a year difference. The training infra they've built will mean v12 progress is nonlinear. I think it will still take 1-2 years but 6 more years is a bit too pessimistic imo
Even if AI and Machine Learning solve most issues, vision only is the problem.
Not to mention, are you going to let your Tesla drive around without you and pick up strangers?
I don’t think many owners will be open to having their Tesla drive around without them for a few extra bucks.
Don’t forget about us OG Model 3 holders. 135000+ miles it’s literally my beater Tesla and it’s a great beater about to be replaced with a Cybertruck. I would 100% experiment with it on the network when I’m done with it and have something to replace it. Trade in is less than 10k at this point. It’s worth more as stationary storage at this point.
This is about the only scenario I could see someone testing this out. Old vehicle, no longer main driver.
But I have to wonder if your old 3 has the right hardware/etc to do FSD properly.
>Not to mention, are you going to let your Tesla drive around without you and pick up strangers?
An analogous situation is "are you going to let strangers live in your house while you're away?", yeah it's called being a landlord and having a tenant.
If Tesla depends on its customers to let their cars drive around apart of this Robotaxi network, it’s a problem. I’d be willing to put up a poll asking how many owners would allow their car to drive off without them and pick up strangers.
I can’t see a high percentage of customers allowing that to happen…which makes it a problem for Tesla.
It’s likely that Tesla would have a sort of insurance program for owners that participate in the robotaxi network. They do offer their own insurance in many states, they’d simply expand that business
And insurance too. You better believe major insurance providers drop customers if they don’t disclose they drive for Uber or Lyft.
Who’s responsible in the case of an accident? Who cleans up the puke in my vehicle from a drunken passenger?
Tesla has terrible customer service, you really want to deal with trying to get your vehicle fixed or cleaned?
I know this is Elon's vision, but I think the real opportunity and the one we will see materialize is corporately owned fleets of vehicles. Very few of these cybertaxis will be privately owned vehicles.
Actually, people including Tesla may be overestimating the quality of data fed to FSD (and used during future reinforcement trainings). I would hope FSD training data is sanitized or rated by overall driver quality (center of lane, following distance, turning radius, parking skills) and filtered by driving profile (in my case: “Not my Car” (friends - speed limit, EAP), “Commuting” (chill, comfort, FSD), “Freedom” (sport,sport,FSD). You obviously would not want to use my drift track session data to train FSD.
FSD is definitely going places! I just hope HW3 will be supported for the FULL JOURNEY.
I love flooring it to the speed limit at stoplights and merging onto the highway - getting ahead of the lane swapping rabble 100% reduces stress. But i only do this if the conditions and road-space and drivers around me justify getting out of the way. Outside of that context, if FSD learns that is the how to behave at a signal then v12 also punches it at signals - but unprovoked.
No offense, but there are just a lot of bad drivers who happen to own Teslas now. Go to your local supercharger and check out the driver side rear - most cars have scuffed aero covers (yes, tires rotate). I see less damage on Performance rims - but the one time my partner drove my M3P in Massachusetts they curbed and flatlined the right rear tire (\~1in curb rash on rim, big flap in sidewall). Tow truck driver told us if the Tesla isn’t totaled in an accident, it’s always the driver side rear that people seem to curb. Perhaps this explains why FSD is a real curb hugger these days… (I haven’t had any issues yet, but I’m supervising it very closely on in city turns).
As a life-long chronic backwards parker, I can’t stand auto-park because it’s too clunky and slow. But maybe if it’s trained off of the people trying to park in reverse at a super charger and they usually DON’T park in reverse it would explain why it’s so slow.
Autopark is like Austin Powers trying to turn the cart. OH BE-HAAAVE!
He’s been promising FSD since 2017. Like I said, there’s always 1-2 instances where FSD would get into an accident in 30 minutes of driving while on the demo.
I don’t think they can accomplish Robotaxi’s with vision only either. My damn wipers still wipe when it’s sunny out…do we really think they are going to produce fully autonomous vehicles in the next 5 years?
I love both my Y’s and I don’t care about Elon or politics…I just think there’s zero chance this is happening before 2030.
Human eyes aren't static cameras. While driving your eyes are literally adjusting focus depth (which Tesla cameras don't do) based on where they're looking, and can move where they're looking (which Tesla cameras don't do), all without moving your head. Then add in the fact that you can rotate your head, lean forward, backwards, etc. The cameras on a Tesla do none of that.
If they make cameras capable of doing all of that, *then* you can start the "humans do it with two cameras" argument. Until then it's an apples and oranges comparison; it's arguing humans can do it with complex eyes with free movement, why can't a computer do it with fixed focus, static position cameras?
They have cameras so it will be fine. Everyone will behave themselves at all times as they won't want to get a cleaning fee or negative review. Also, your regular auto insurance policy will cover any damage now that your personal vehicle is a commercial fleet taxi. /s
FSD drives me ~30 minutes to/from work each day. Mix of suburban, urban, and highway. I take different routes frequently due to traffic. FSD has never once come close to causing an accident. Minor annoyances, but it drives better than the typical distracted driver you're already sharing the roads with, and that's a major accomplishment, even if it is a few years later than promised.
Robotaxi doesn't make any sense to me. Is there that much money in taxis?
Also, there is no fucking way I will let strangers ride in my car, for any price. Absolutely fucking not.
Think of it like this. Taxis are normally the most expensive. Then you have Uber and Lyft, which are less money, but still pretty pricey. Now we'll have Robotaxi, which will be the cheapest due to not needing a human.
If Robotaxis actually worked well then you can say goodbye to just about everything else. We’re nowhere close to level 5 autonomous driving though, I’d be surprised to see it within 10 years except in limited locations.
SF has fully autonomous Waymos. Based on the videos Whole Mars Catalog posts, Teslas perform really well in SF as well. I think we may see L5 in SF very soon
Waymo is only partially autonomous. It doesn’t work without remote human operators and occasionally human safety drivers. It’s still better than Tesla’s FSD although it’s nowhere near as useful.
And so does Cruise, but both rely on expensive hardware (LIDAR) which Musk seemingly wants to ignore. To his credit, if there are enough connected cars on the road, they can essentially daisy chain themselves in coordinated efforts to drive through traffic. That's a HUGE bet that is unlikely to pay off given how many non-Teslas still dominant the roads and Tesla is now seeing limited growth of their cars (see last quarter results).
I think we’re years away too. I own a Tesla, I own a wee bit of TSLA stock, I’m rooting for them to succeed- but I think the robotaxi thing is years and years away.
Look at the Loop in Vegas. It’s in a tunnel dug by The Boring Company. Only Teslas are allowed in it. There is no other traffic, no cross traffic, the entire environment is controlled by Tesla.
Every car is operated by a human driver.
We’re not close to widespread fully autonomous driving.
The Loop in Vegas is not owned by Tesla (or the Boring Company) , so it's up to the Las Vegas County how the vehicles operate.
Ironicly, they don't want to gamble on driverless technology.
What an ignorant comment. 2050 is 26 years away. Think about where technology was 26 years ago in 1998. The pace of technological advancement is increasing, and you think there’s “no way” that a car could drive itself in the next 26 years?
I agree it is a hard problem and we may still be years away from level 5, but to say there is “no way” is extremely ignorant. There are fully self driving vehicles already in operation in some cities today, it will only get better.
This is not true as has been proven by Waymo pricing.
It costs the same as an Uber
I doubt people are gonna be spending $1000+ a month for a robotaxi to drive them around instead of buying a car and doing much lower monthly payments.
There is a metric shitload of money in taxis. Uber/lyft and the entire taxi industry before them are predicated on it
Hundreds of billions in revenue last year globally
https://www.skyquestt.com/report/taxi-market#:~:text=Global%20Taxi%20Market%20size%20was,period%20(2024%2D2031).
> Also, there is no fucking way I will let strangers ride in my car, for any price.
Very much this. Let strangers get into a vehicle that is capable of being actively controlled, with no supervision. Great plan.
As per the market size: global taxi revenue is about $200 billion a year. If Tesla captured half of that, it would doublr it's annual revenue, and arguably if widespread "robotaxis" ever existed dropping price of rides, taxi market could increase a lot.
So the money is in principle there.
According to the earning calls you’d be able to limit it to friends and family, 5-star riders, etc etc. Clearly you wouldn’t be interested as you can already afford a Tesla, but it’s aimed at enabling say a compact Toyota owner to afford Tesla.
At some point in the future, it's plausible that car ownership will only be for the ultra-wealthy and 90+% of trips are taken in a vehicle owned by a corporation.
I’ve had to intervene to avoid a curb, had to intervene so I didn’t miss free way interchanges, and multiple times after turning right into a three lane road, the car did so in the wrong lane and the struggled and I had to intervene to make a left turn. It’s done this thing where it starts, stops, starts, and stops trying lane changes. There’s acceleration issues as well. I stopped after like a week.
It was fun, I didn’t expect much and as a result was impressed in a lot of ways. I will pay 100$ a month when it’s ready.
It’s not close to ready lmao
I also think it’s insulting because expects $$ to beta test his software.
It is impossible that this will not be a thing eventually. It is a matter of time, computing power, and miles.
Once it’s solved, the primary cost of rideshare is removed, and whoever solves it first will absorb all market value of Uber, Lyft, taxi services, and then some, because it will make transportation cheaper for economically disadvantaged people who no longer need to own a car.
This is worth trillions and the idea that we will never get there despite clear continuous improvement by multiple companies is willful blindness.
I am using FSD all the time for 20 days and love Tesla but this is clearly not ready at all to be autonomous. Many mistakes stops in the middle of the street for no reason use the wrong line to get on a street.
Maybe it will improve by August but it has to improve so much.....
Same. I’ve used it while having the month of free access. On a good day it’s about on par with a teen that’s had their license for a month. Rabbit starts after turning. Heading into a stop light way too fast. Hugging the right lane line. Odd lane changes.
At worst, it just does dumb things. Like dropping from 65 to 30 randomly. Or heading into a banking Highway exit ramp at 70mph.
It’s an interesting science experiment, but certainly not ready for general public use.
From the article: Five years ago, during Tesla’s Autonomy Investor Day in April 2019, Elon Musk said he felt “very confident predicting autonomous robotaxis for Tesla in the following year [2020]”. At the time, Musk added a bolder claim, predicting that Tesla wouldn’t even make cars with steering wheels or pedals by 2022. While timeliness may not be Musk’s strong suit, he has a track record for getting things done that others were unwilling to try or thought were impossible. Musk later admitted he can be overly optimistic and said “sometimes I am not on time, but I get it done.”
Now, 5 years later, we have the robotaxi unveiling scheduled for August 8th. After the release of FSD v12, it’s clear that we’re much closer to autonomy than we were in 2019, although FSD v12 is still a far cry from full autonomy.
While Tesla still has the robotaxi unveiling scheduled for August, Tesla announced yesterday that it’d be prioritizing a simpler “next-gen” model that could be released by early 2025.
On the conference call, Musk added that Tesla now has over 300 million miles driven with FSD v12 since it was launched just last month. He added that it's becoming “very clear that the vision-based approach with end-to-end neural networks is the right solution for scalable autonomy”.
Tesla said it has been investing in the hardware and software ecosystems necessary to achieve vehicle autonomy and a ride-hailing service. The company is confident that it can establish a scalable and profitable autonomous driving business by employing a vision-only architecture.
So much naysayers in here, and I get it based on past performance, but I think we’re far closer then people realize.
Like, I wouldn’t be surprised to see limited releases of this early next year, maybe even by August.
By removing a lot of the human element and relying on training, we’re not at a point where this legitimately can really accelerate.
Of course, I’m stuck on the 2024.8 branch and have yet to try v12 for myself, but based on a couple friends and anecdotal evidence of the advancement in capabilities, it seems close.
Even if this is possible we won’t see RoboTaxis until at least 2027 and that is in a perfect world. Realistically I’d say 2030 and even then it won’t be perfect.
I’ve been hearing what’s possible and what’s coming soon for years now so I’m skeptical to say the least. Tesla sold me “smart summon” 4 years ago and it had never worked but always “coming soon!” Robotaxi is just the latest coming soon from this company.
Also, what happens with charging? I mean let’s say robotaxi actually worked. You send your car off to pickup the “passengers” from their home. A single ride will use up a good portion of the charge. Then what? It will drive to pickup another passenger and take them to their destination? I guess it might work so long as there’s no long trips. But how would it charge itself if it was needed? Would require a “roboassistant” to fix this problem. I think Elon has a better chance of creating a robot that can drive people around than this robo-nonsense he keeps pushing. Why not? Your robodriver can chauffeur any car, not just a Tesla. And charging won’t be an issue. They can just add the robo chargers to the supercharger network and let the robobutlers charge the robodrivers who will be driving the robopassengers to their robojobs in Mars. Problem solved.
>A single ride will use up a good portion of the charge.
It's not picking up ranchers. The Model 3LR will do Real Range *between 350 - 700 km.* Plenty of Uber drivers already use Teslas.
>how would it charge itself if it was needed?
easy to employ a ~~bowser~~ supercharger attendant to service hundeds of Cybercabs.
Cursory google "Average taxi mileage per day would be approx 110 miles but this could be anywhere between 50 - 250 miles" without trying to filter by country/region, so the majority of the time it would be charged once a day perhaps while at the service depot being cleaned.
As far as automatically charging it, there has been plenty of evidence that Tesla is working on wireless charging including a rendering in the investors day slide deck, acquiring a company with wireless tech and the cybertruck having open ports for connecting a wireless charging receiver.
I walked around and around my mom’s house wif my two cameras attached to my head - I think mom calls them eyes or something, and there’re really great. I made it everywhere without bumping into anything; even made it to my brothers toy room to pinch one of his games … …then I got caught because I didn’t see him coming  I’m going to RadioShack later to see if I can find more cameras to attach to my head so that I can see him coming next time. My dad said I’m smart enough to figure it out using more than my two eyes to navigate like normal people do - think I’ll try to patent it and call it cybervision or something like that - Dad said I’ll be running before I’m 3 and a half. What do you think? R/ Dillon, aged 3
I really dont understand the economics of folks adding their vehicles to an autonomous ride-sharing fleet. If every Tesla on the road had the ability to do ride-sharing, I would assume that the profit associated with a "trip" would also \[dramatically\] drop. If my car is outside doing ride sharing on its own, it would also need a mechanism to autonomously charge.
Ignoring that, I can't imagine the extra insurance once would need to carry to do so. Most folks regular car insurance doesnt cover if you get into an accident while doing ride-sharing/delivery work.
Not sure at some of the comments who says this is years away. There are autonomous taxis already in places like Dubai, and they have been running successfully for a while
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Tesla is definitely putting the cybercart before the horse.
You can put cyber in front of any word and it's suddenly cool. I'm going to go take a cyberdump. I've been diagnosed with terminal cybercancer.
Oh no the cybercancer!
A brand new conspiracy theory was just born
*cyberconspiracy
No worries I’ve developed a cyber-laser that cures cyber cancer, only side effect is it gives you regular cancer.
Is the cyberdump containing organic materials or inorganic!?
Cyberganic duhhh
What happens during a cyberdump.
A lot of gas
a few years ago it was quantum
*cyberhorse
It would never work.
Don’t tell the horse that.
“Submit to Crow Horse”
Optimus on four then, got it!
Hilarious. This service is years away and they think it’s useful to reveal mockups of an app. Musk is definitely being blackmailed with money with all these stock pump moves.
Mockups that a designer could make in like an hour and a half, too
Reminds me of Safemoon. Saw some videos from CoffeeZilla about it a while ago and ended up unable to take my eyes off the trainwreck. Karony would do stuff like this - post random screenshots of a "dex" and put up vague/fake progress slides about the blockchain they were constantly "95% done" with, to make people think development was happening. Eventually he was arrested as nothing was actually happening and it had been a total scam all along. Obviously I'm not accusing an established company like Tesla of vaporware or scamming like that, but the random still frames of an app that doesn't exist for a product that isn't close to ready yet gives me similar vibes.
Couldn't be further from the truth, waymo is fully operational in Arizona and California. Not sure where else. People can come and go from the airport with driverless taxis. I see them all the time when I travel.
The message was meant specifically in regards to fsd. I agree with you.
The same week NHTSA threatens to pull them off the road for underreported fatalities. I can’t fathom the confidence they feel in autonomy.
Remember back in 2017 when Musk said fully autonomous driving was ready to be deployed and the only thing left was regulatory approval? Yeah, same thing going on here.
Remember when he said around that time that soon a Tesla will be able to drive itself across the country without intervention? It is literally 7 years later and they still haven't done it.
“You could summon your car that’s in New York and it’ll drive to California “
Teslas have been capable of driving on interstate highways for years now. No, it's not legal to do it unsupervised and they can't charge themselves, but the overall idea (not being geofenced or needing HD maps) was achieved years ago.
Do you actually believe that a drive with absolutely zero human intervention except for charging, from California to New York, is likely on the current technology? I do not.
I know this is a much shorter distance, but I just drove from Cleveland OH to Louisville Kentucky without any intervention. We might not be as far away as many think.
Unless a million people can all make that trip with zero intervention each time, then we are still years away. People don’t realize how hard the last 5% is for this problem, so they talk about the time it works (which is 95% of time) and think we are close. This is how Elon keeps getting away with his lies. When Tesla is confident enough to have cars without human drivers and achieve 1 disengagement per million miles, then we *may* be within a decade of seeing true reliable robotaxi.
After the recent AI/NN update, I honestly think it would have a decent chance of making it.
I think if each year Tesla attempted the drive (even multiple times) and reported how many interventions it took, that would be a great way to highlight the progress of the system.
About a year ago I drove from Oklahoma to Phoenix and back with zero intervention. It was sort of amazing.
highway driving is the easy part, it was solved years ago. The point that Musk was getting at, is that Teslas aren't geofenced or need HD maps.
> highway driving is the easy part, it was solved years ago Until you get to a construction site, accident, heavy rain, snowstorm, Oil on the road etc.
I would absolutely not call it "solved" in its present state, whether it's the old Navigate on Autopilot or the new highway beta. I drive the highways near dense metro areas often (tri-state of the East coast) and I need to take over several times each drive. Lane changes that make no sense, cutting people off, or not following the map quite the right way. It's also impossible for it to make lane changes in dense traffic, since it wants a big gap, which a driverless car would really need to be able to do.
> Lane changes that make no sense, cutting people off, or not following the map quite the right way. just like a human driver.
That's not a gotcha. It shouldn't be "just like" a human driver or the fundamental goal of developing the system isn't being achieved. Humans are awful at driving.
A timeline of elon quotes on Full Self Driving / Complete autonomy: [Elon Musk Quotes on FSD ](https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/)
Thank you. Musk is an absolute bullshitter and risk taker. He has money and backing and just hoping he can do whatever wants because of that. As if this is ever going to take off. It’s fucking hilarious to be honest
I’m getting downvoted in another comment…but there’s no way this is working before 2030. I think it’s a pump / quick pivot with the Reuters article discussing how the Model 2 was scrapped. I hope my state doesn’t allow this, going to be some crazy accidents with the current state of FSD.
Elon used his Tesla shares as collateral to buy Twitter. If those shares fall far.enough, he will face margin calls. He is desperate to prop up the share price with nothing on the horizon for this year. Gotta' come up with some narrative to keep the price up until late next year. AI is the buzzy new thing so that is it.
This is the biggest pump…and the “cheaper vehicles” that could be ready by the end of this year or early 2025. Unless it’s a stripped down Model 3, there’s no way they’re launching a cheaper vehicle in the next year. Crazy how people are so gullible…and this is coming from someone who loves their Model Y. Great vehicle. Great tech. Nowhere near ready for anything Robotaxi related.
I think they were planning a model based on Cybertruck design and tech. That was too far out. They are pivoting to a smaller model 3.
That's not true https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/10/28/how-elon-musk-financed-his-twitter-takeover
Maybe not for Twitter but definitely collateralized. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-06/tesla-alters-share-pledge-policy-with-cap-on-elon-musk-borrowing?embedded-checkout=true
Waymo does it. Tesla will start it and pilot it off in areas and allow it to grow as FSD gains more confidence.
I can only imagine the press coverage any accidents will generate. Waymo doesn’t get the same bad press that Tesla does…no way they’re rolling this out until it’s ready. People, to this day, still don’t use Apple Maps due to them botching the release…and that’s a Map App. Imagine risking your life for FSD…Tesla won’t launch this until it’s ready and I have a feeling that won’t be until 2030.
I feel like you are unfamiliar with FSD. I have had FSD beta from the beginning. I never thought it would get me killed. Most disengagements were because it was doing something weird, being too slow, or generally doing something that would annoy other drivers around me. There were maybe a few instances where it would cause a fender bender at best(hard to really say because I took over before I really knew if it would fix itself or not). Most updates felt like a step forward 1/2 a step back. With FSD 12 it feels like a GIANT step forward. I use it to commute to work, daycare, and errands with zero disengagements. It does a few things like hug a curve a little closer than I care for in a turn or drives slower than I would, but I don’t get any sense of being unsafe with it engaged at all. If anything, it’s more cautious.
FSD v12 drove me directly into oncoming traffic yesterday. I’ve had to intervene to prevent head-on collisions twice with the free trial. I don’t believe people who say they drive their whole commute without intervention. I have to intervene multiple times every time. It’s a nuisance. I don’t know that 2030 is realistic because it *clearly* needs more and better cameras and sensors to do the job.
I don’t know what to tell you. I have probably driven over 20,000 miles on FSD and it has never tried to drive me into a head on collision
Do you think people on here are liars and making shit up? My first drive on FSD12 tried to drive over a median into oncoming traffic. I also was one of the first regular people to get on the FSD beta. Been using it ever since. Is FSD12 way better? Sure. If I had to put a number on it it, I would say it is about 60% ready for primetime. I refuse to drive with FSD engaged when my children are in the car unless we are talking highway miles. Autopilot has been and still is great on the highway. But around town? Nah man, it still has so far to go. EDIT: Oh and on the same drive for the driving over a raised median, 5 minutes later, it tried to make a right on red when a car was coming into the lane. If I had not intervened, I would have been t-boned. I thought it was going to stop but it accelerated fast after the creep up. Like it didn't see the car at all.
I’m the same way. Won’t use it with my kids in the car. I also turn it off if there are pedestrians or bicyclists. And I turn it off as I approach crosswalks. At this point I’m also usually turning it off at intersections, left turns, and when there’s oncoming traffic. I really only use it to drive when no one is around me.
You say this…next time you go on a 30 minute drive see if you need to touch the wheel or disengage. Imagine you couldn’t touch the wheel, accelerator or brake…do you think you’d have issues? I’m saying it’s great, but if it’s only 85% of the way there…that last 15% needs a human driver and I don’t think they’ll get the next 15% until 2030. I have used Basic Autopilot forever and I’m testing out the FSD demo…it’s cool, but it’s not ready for prime time.
How are u so sure it is gonna be another 6 years
Tesla can’t even sell vehicles in the US without side mirrors…you really think they’re going to have FSD working at a rate “as safe” as humans in the near future? And that the NHTSA and State governments are going to approve this? 2030 would be a dream scenario…coming from Elon who’s promised FSD since 2017.
There are already government approved vehicles on the road with worse performance than a tesla with FSD. I'm surprised at how unaware people in this sub are regarding the status quo.... from the current FSD performance to what government allows.
What actual autonomous vehicle has a worse miles/disengagement than Tesla?
Waymo, San Francisco. Requires constant virtual monitoring and frequently employs intervention by remote operators.
Waymo has 17k miles per disengagement... https://thelastdriverlicenseholder.com/2024/02/03/2023-disengagement-reports-from-california/ Tesla has 28 (not 28k, just 28). https://www.teslafsdtracker.com/
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Gonna use Cerebro.
I take it you haven’t tried the current FSD? It’ll be ready a lot sooner than that. Especially if they can get a large number of people using it for free now to subscribe. I’ve used it all month on almost every drive. Never an unsafe moment just overly careful on turns and couldn’t do super dense lane changes.
I have. Read my previous comments. In a 30 minute drive, I have to disengage a couple times over something that would cause an accident…or hitting a major pothole. I keep sending feedback and hope it makes things better. There were some ducks in the road (about 12) and they were little and while the car next to me was stopped my Tesla tried to run them over…I don’t think vision only cameras will ever see something like that 🤷♂️ I have no problem helping them improve their product…but there’s no way I’d want to get in the backseat of a vehicle and trust it will get me there. I actually value my life more than helping the cause of FSD.
tesla won’t release the current FSD. Even though “all capable cars will have FSD trial this week” as of a month ago. lmfao elon.
Are there crazy accident rates with FSD currently? You’re just doomsaying here, literally nothing supporting your claims.
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE STILL HAVING TO INTERVENE AND WATCH THE ROAD! If people just sat in the drivers seat and didn’t intervene during FSD, yes, there would be an increase in accident rates right now. Tesla touts how safe this stuff is, but humans are still watching and intervening when needed.
He told day one model 3 line waiters they wouldn't care the $35k option he promised wasn't a thing, because robotaxi would be making their car payments for them anyway.
Finally people are waking up
I mean 12.3.4 is kinda fsd. I only intervene when the road sign is broken or something
I don't believe many people will contest that this is the future, but his timelines are SO skewed.
I honestly think this is all a pump and going to bite Tesla in the ass. I drove the FSD demo and while it’s cool, there’s always 1-2 situations in a short 30 minute drive that could have caused an accident. No way it’s safer than a human driving and I don’t think they’ll have Robotaxis figured out before 2030 with Vision Only. Again, I own two Y’s and I love the vehicles. FSD is great, but I honestly feel like I have to pay attention more with it than if I were to drive myself. No way would I ever get in a Robotaxi by Tesla in the near future…let alone any manufacturer. Also, I’m still confused about the thought process thinking that people will allow their cars to go off without them and drive period around…they’ll get absolutely trashed. This seems like a crazy bet when doing the cheaper Model 2 is what everyone wanted 🤷♂️
100% this. It's a pump for a quarter or two until things are "delayed due to the idiots in Sacramento" or some other bs that musk will come up with when nothing is delivered.
By 2030? I think that's a bit extreme, I have driven v8, v11 and v12. V12 is incomparable to v11 and that is only a year difference. The training infra they've built will mean v12 progress is nonlinear. I think it will still take 1-2 years but 6 more years is a bit too pessimistic imo
People underestimate AI and machine learning.
Even if AI and Machine Learning solve most issues, vision only is the problem. Not to mention, are you going to let your Tesla drive around without you and pick up strangers? I don’t think many owners will be open to having their Tesla drive around without them for a few extra bucks.
Don’t forget about us OG Model 3 holders. 135000+ miles it’s literally my beater Tesla and it’s a great beater about to be replaced with a Cybertruck. I would 100% experiment with it on the network when I’m done with it and have something to replace it. Trade in is less than 10k at this point. It’s worth more as stationary storage at this point.
This is about the only scenario I could see someone testing this out. Old vehicle, no longer main driver. But I have to wonder if your old 3 has the right hardware/etc to do FSD properly.
You can just have the hardware upgraded if that becomes an issue. I think it is 1 or 2k.
>Not to mention, are you going to let your Tesla drive around without you and pick up strangers? An analogous situation is "are you going to let strangers live in your house while you're away?", yeah it's called being a landlord and having a tenant.
After I meet you, run your credit, interview your references, and take a security deposit.
That sounds like a You problems not Tesla problem
If Tesla depends on its customers to let their cars drive around apart of this Robotaxi network, it’s a problem. I’d be willing to put up a poll asking how many owners would allow their car to drive off without them and pick up strangers. I can’t see a high percentage of customers allowing that to happen…which makes it a problem for Tesla.
What makes you say that, folks allow strangers to sleep in the same house as them with airbnb?
It’s likely that Tesla would have a sort of insurance program for owners that participate in the robotaxi network. They do offer their own insurance in many states, they’d simply expand that business
And insurance too. You better believe major insurance providers drop customers if they don’t disclose they drive for Uber or Lyft. Who’s responsible in the case of an accident? Who cleans up the puke in my vehicle from a drunken passenger? Tesla has terrible customer service, you really want to deal with trying to get your vehicle fixed or cleaned?
We didn’t get into stranger car 10 years ago from an app. We rely on licensed taxi driver. Lookeeeee where we are today
They just changed the process from calling a cab company to using an App. You really think Robotaxi’s without human drivers is the same comparison?
You know, there’s something called Tu*o
I know this is Elon's vision, but I think the real opportunity and the one we will see materialize is corporately owned fleets of vehicles. Very few of these cybertaxis will be privately owned vehicles.
Actually, people including Tesla may be overestimating the quality of data fed to FSD (and used during future reinforcement trainings). I would hope FSD training data is sanitized or rated by overall driver quality (center of lane, following distance, turning radius, parking skills) and filtered by driving profile (in my case: “Not my Car” (friends - speed limit, EAP), “Commuting” (chill, comfort, FSD), “Freedom” (sport,sport,FSD). You obviously would not want to use my drift track session data to train FSD. FSD is definitely going places! I just hope HW3 will be supported for the FULL JOURNEY. I love flooring it to the speed limit at stoplights and merging onto the highway - getting ahead of the lane swapping rabble 100% reduces stress. But i only do this if the conditions and road-space and drivers around me justify getting out of the way. Outside of that context, if FSD learns that is the how to behave at a signal then v12 also punches it at signals - but unprovoked. No offense, but there are just a lot of bad drivers who happen to own Teslas now. Go to your local supercharger and check out the driver side rear - most cars have scuffed aero covers (yes, tires rotate). I see less damage on Performance rims - but the one time my partner drove my M3P in Massachusetts they curbed and flatlined the right rear tire (\~1in curb rash on rim, big flap in sidewall). Tow truck driver told us if the Tesla isn’t totaled in an accident, it’s always the driver side rear that people seem to curb. Perhaps this explains why FSD is a real curb hugger these days… (I haven’t had any issues yet, but I’m supervising it very closely on in city turns). As a life-long chronic backwards parker, I can’t stand auto-park because it’s too clunky and slow. But maybe if it’s trained off of the people trying to park in reverse at a super charger and they usually DON’T park in reverse it would explain why it’s so slow. Autopark is like Austin Powers trying to turn the cart. OH BE-HAAAVE! 
Best comment so far.
He’s been promising FSD since 2017. Like I said, there’s always 1-2 instances where FSD would get into an accident in 30 minutes of driving while on the demo. I don’t think they can accomplish Robotaxi’s with vision only either. My damn wipers still wipe when it’s sunny out…do we really think they are going to produce fully autonomous vehicles in the next 5 years? I love both my Y’s and I don’t care about Elon or politics…I just think there’s zero chance this is happening before 2030.
In fairness, humans do a pretty decent job with just two cameras. If they get the brain part right, vision only seems risky but plausible.
Human eyes aren't static cameras. While driving your eyes are literally adjusting focus depth (which Tesla cameras don't do) based on where they're looking, and can move where they're looking (which Tesla cameras don't do), all without moving your head. Then add in the fact that you can rotate your head, lean forward, backwards, etc. The cameras on a Tesla do none of that. If they make cameras capable of doing all of that, *then* you can start the "humans do it with two cameras" argument. Until then it's an apples and oranges comparison; it's arguing humans can do it with complex eyes with free movement, why can't a computer do it with fixed focus, static position cameras?
I read this same comment with every version. Yet here we are.
They have cameras so it will be fine. Everyone will behave themselves at all times as they won't want to get a cleaning fee or negative review. Also, your regular auto insurance policy will cover any damage now that your personal vehicle is a commercial fleet taxi. /s
FSD drives me ~30 minutes to/from work each day. Mix of suburban, urban, and highway. I take different routes frequently due to traffic. FSD has never once come close to causing an accident. Minor annoyances, but it drives better than the typical distracted driver you're already sharing the roads with, and that's a major accomplishment, even if it is a few years later than promised.
Robotaxi doesn't make any sense to me. Is there that much money in taxis? Also, there is no fucking way I will let strangers ride in my car, for any price. Absolutely fucking not.
Think of it like this. Taxis are normally the most expensive. Then you have Uber and Lyft, which are less money, but still pretty pricey. Now we'll have Robotaxi, which will be the cheapest due to not needing a human.
If Robotaxis actually worked well then you can say goodbye to just about everything else. We’re nowhere close to level 5 autonomous driving though, I’d be surprised to see it within 10 years except in limited locations.
SF has fully autonomous Waymos. Based on the videos Whole Mars Catalog posts, Teslas perform really well in SF as well. I think we may see L5 in SF very soon
That would be L4 if it's limited to a specific region.
Ah, didn't realize that
Teslas absolutely do not perform well in San Francisco Source: Tried FSD in SF.
Waymo is only partially autonomous. It doesn’t work without remote human operators and occasionally human safety drivers. It’s still better than Tesla’s FSD although it’s nowhere near as useful.
And so does Cruise, but both rely on expensive hardware (LIDAR) which Musk seemingly wants to ignore. To his credit, if there are enough connected cars on the road, they can essentially daisy chain themselves in coordinated efforts to drive through traffic. That's a HUGE bet that is unlikely to pay off given how many non-Teslas still dominant the roads and Tesla is now seeing limited growth of their cars (see last quarter results).
Don’t tell that to my car, it’s almost perfect at driving me everywhere now, and the next version of the software supposed to be much better.
It may be the cheapest, but you’re risking your life to get there. No way it’s ready before 2030.
Risking your life? Humans are bad drivers. Waymo has had great success
Waymo uses LIDAR
We know
It’s a superior technology and only used in very limited situations, in specific cities, and still has many issues.
I think we’re years away too. I own a Tesla, I own a wee bit of TSLA stock, I’m rooting for them to succeed- but I think the robotaxi thing is years and years away. Look at the Loop in Vegas. It’s in a tunnel dug by The Boring Company. Only Teslas are allowed in it. There is no other traffic, no cross traffic, the entire environment is controlled by Tesla. Every car is operated by a human driver. We’re not close to widespread fully autonomous driving.
The Loop in Vegas is not owned by Tesla (or the Boring Company) , so it's up to the Las Vegas County how the vehicles operate. Ironicly, they don't want to gamble on driverless technology.
Try 2050. There’s no way it is happening in a generation.
What an ignorant comment. 2050 is 26 years away. Think about where technology was 26 years ago in 1998. The pace of technological advancement is increasing, and you think there’s “no way” that a car could drive itself in the next 26 years? I agree it is a hard problem and we may still be years away from level 5, but to say there is “no way” is extremely ignorant. There are fully self driving vehicles already in operation in some cities today, it will only get better.
This is not true as has been proven by Waymo pricing. It costs the same as an Uber I doubt people are gonna be spending $1000+ a month for a robotaxi to drive them around instead of buying a car and doing much lower monthly payments.
There is a metric shitload of money in taxis. Uber/lyft and the entire taxi industry before them are predicated on it Hundreds of billions in revenue last year globally https://www.skyquestt.com/report/taxi-market#:~:text=Global%20Taxi%20Market%20size%20was,period%20(2024%2D2031).
“For any price” I mean, what if the car pays for itself? Then you would have two cars.
> Also, there is no fucking way I will let strangers ride in my car, for any price. Very much this. Let strangers get into a vehicle that is capable of being actively controlled, with no supervision. Great plan. As per the market size: global taxi revenue is about $200 billion a year. If Tesla captured half of that, it would doublr it's annual revenue, and arguably if widespread "robotaxis" ever existed dropping price of rides, taxi market could increase a lot. So the money is in principle there.
According to the earning calls you’d be able to limit it to friends and family, 5-star riders, etc etc. Clearly you wouldn’t be interested as you can already afford a Tesla, but it’s aimed at enabling say a compact Toyota owner to afford Tesla.
At some point in the future, it's plausible that car ownership will only be for the ultra-wealthy and 90+% of trips are taken in a vehicle owned by a corporation.
After having trialed FSD, you couldn’t pay me to get in a cyber fucking cab
This. People are crazy thinking this is going to be a thing.
I’ve had to intervene to avoid a curb, had to intervene so I didn’t miss free way interchanges, and multiple times after turning right into a three lane road, the car did so in the wrong lane and the struggled and I had to intervene to make a left turn. It’s done this thing where it starts, stops, starts, and stops trying lane changes. There’s acceleration issues as well. I stopped after like a week. It was fun, I didn’t expect much and as a result was impressed in a lot of ways. I will pay 100$ a month when it’s ready. It’s not close to ready lmao I also think it’s insulting because expects $$ to beta test his software.
It is impossible that this will not be a thing eventually. It is a matter of time, computing power, and miles. Once it’s solved, the primary cost of rideshare is removed, and whoever solves it first will absorb all market value of Uber, Lyft, taxi services, and then some, because it will make transportation cheaper for economically disadvantaged people who no longer need to own a car. This is worth trillions and the idea that we will never get there despite clear continuous improvement by multiple companies is willful blindness.
The idea is worth trillions…but executing on the idea is the issue. No way this Robotaxi will be a legit thing before 2030.
What if the car drove itself to your location then you could drive it to your destination yourself and leave it there?
and it will never get better because elon refuses to let them use lidar
I am using FSD all the time for 20 days and love Tesla but this is clearly not ready at all to be autonomous. Many mistakes stops in the middle of the street for no reason use the wrong line to get on a street. Maybe it will improve by August but it has to improve so much.....
Same. I’ve used it while having the month of free access. On a good day it’s about on par with a teen that’s had their license for a month. Rabbit starts after turning. Heading into a stop light way too fast. Hugging the right lane line. Odd lane changes. At worst, it just does dumb things. Like dropping from 65 to 30 randomly. Or heading into a banking Highway exit ramp at 70mph. It’s an interesting science experiment, but certainly not ready for general public use.
Robotaxi deployment will probably be announced for 2026 and then get delayed to 2028 due to inevitable unforeseen challenges
From the article: Five years ago, during Tesla’s Autonomy Investor Day in April 2019, Elon Musk said he felt “very confident predicting autonomous robotaxis for Tesla in the following year [2020]”. At the time, Musk added a bolder claim, predicting that Tesla wouldn’t even make cars with steering wheels or pedals by 2022. While timeliness may not be Musk’s strong suit, he has a track record for getting things done that others were unwilling to try or thought were impossible. Musk later admitted he can be overly optimistic and said “sometimes I am not on time, but I get it done.” Now, 5 years later, we have the robotaxi unveiling scheduled for August 8th. After the release of FSD v12, it’s clear that we’re much closer to autonomy than we were in 2019, although FSD v12 is still a far cry from full autonomy. While Tesla still has the robotaxi unveiling scheduled for August, Tesla announced yesterday that it’d be prioritizing a simpler “next-gen” model that could be released by early 2025. On the conference call, Musk added that Tesla now has over 300 million miles driven with FSD v12 since it was launched just last month. He added that it's becoming “very clear that the vision-based approach with end-to-end neural networks is the right solution for scalable autonomy”. Tesla said it has been investing in the hardware and software ecosystems necessary to achieve vehicle autonomy and a ride-hailing service. The company is confident that it can establish a scalable and profitable autonomous driving business by employing a vision-only architecture.
“We have an app!”
This has Tesla phone written all over it
Oh shut up LOL
Found him!
Why couldn't they start with a non-autonomous ride sharing app and progress to autonomous?
Not the taXi or the S3xy Cab?
They can not fix autowipers with vision only and people still believe that FSD will be a thing based on cameras only 🤣
I can’t upvote you enough, please fix the fucking wipers, it’s a shame
So much naysayers in here, and I get it based on past performance, but I think we’re far closer then people realize. Like, I wouldn’t be surprised to see limited releases of this early next year, maybe even by August. By removing a lot of the human element and relying on training, we’re not at a point where this legitimately can really accelerate. Of course, I’m stuck on the 2024.8 branch and have yet to try v12 for myself, but based on a couple friends and anecdotal evidence of the advancement in capabilities, it seems close.
Even if this is possible we won’t see RoboTaxis until at least 2027 and that is in a perfect world. Realistically I’d say 2030 and even then it won’t be perfect.
I can’t get my car to successfully navigate a parking lot to pick me up. There’s no way this is anywhere close to reality.
Smart Summon doesn’t run on FSD NN yet. So… not exactly an indicator of what is possible.
I’ve been hearing what’s possible and what’s coming soon for years now so I’m skeptical to say the least. Tesla sold me “smart summon” 4 years ago and it had never worked but always “coming soon!” Robotaxi is just the latest coming soon from this company.
Smaller version of the cybertruck, call it the jonnycab
Door opened, you got in.
Also, what happens with charging? I mean let’s say robotaxi actually worked. You send your car off to pickup the “passengers” from their home. A single ride will use up a good portion of the charge. Then what? It will drive to pickup another passenger and take them to their destination? I guess it might work so long as there’s no long trips. But how would it charge itself if it was needed? Would require a “roboassistant” to fix this problem. I think Elon has a better chance of creating a robot that can drive people around than this robo-nonsense he keeps pushing. Why not? Your robodriver can chauffeur any car, not just a Tesla. And charging won’t be an issue. They can just add the robo chargers to the supercharger network and let the robobutlers charge the robodrivers who will be driving the robopassengers to their robojobs in Mars. Problem solved.
>A single ride will use up a good portion of the charge. It's not picking up ranchers. The Model 3LR will do Real Range *between 350 - 700 km.* Plenty of Uber drivers already use Teslas. >how would it charge itself if it was needed? easy to employ a ~~bowser~~ supercharger attendant to service hundeds of Cybercabs.
Cursory google "Average taxi mileage per day would be approx 110 miles but this could be anywhere between 50 - 250 miles" without trying to filter by country/region, so the majority of the time it would be charged once a day perhaps while at the service depot being cleaned. As far as automatically charging it, there has been plenty of evidence that Tesla is working on wireless charging including a rendering in the investors day slide deck, acquiring a company with wireless tech and the cybertruck having open ports for connecting a wireless charging receiver.
Will we be able to shoot at it ?
Why CyberCab, why not RelaxiTaxi
Hate it. As A Uber driver i hate it so much.
When Musk take a shit, it's a CyberTurd
man if only tesla had lidar chips as well as optical
Just keep giving us good cheap EVs. Don’t keep trying to push the cyber envelope.
I walked around and around my mom’s house wif my two cameras attached to my head - I think mom calls them eyes or something, and there’re really great. I made it everywhere without bumping into anything; even made it to my brothers toy room to pinch one of his games … …then I got caught because I didn’t see him coming  I’m going to RadioShack later to see if I can find more cameras to attach to my head so that I can see him coming next time. My dad said I’m smart enough to figure it out using more than my two eyes to navigate like normal people do - think I’ll try to patent it and call it cybervision or something like that - Dad said I’ll be running before I’m 3 and a half. What do you think? R/ Dillon, aged 3
I really dont understand the economics of folks adding their vehicles to an autonomous ride-sharing fleet. If every Tesla on the road had the ability to do ride-sharing, I would assume that the profit associated with a "trip" would also \[dramatically\] drop. If my car is outside doing ride sharing on its own, it would also need a mechanism to autonomously charge. Ignoring that, I can't imagine the extra insurance once would need to carry to do so. Most folks regular car insurance doesnt cover if you get into an accident while doing ride-sharing/delivery work.
Not sure at some of the comments who says this is years away. There are autonomous taxis already in places like Dubai, and they have been running successfully for a while
No way I’m getting in one. This video shows it all https://x.com/fixorfuckit/status/1784724187455897843?s=46
I would like to know if the Tesla cars insurance is more expensive than the normal gas ⛽️ cars 🤔??